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profan
01-13-2006, 10:24 AM
Vince Young will not be coming to the texans IMO, because from some reason it appears to me someone does not want any Longhorns on this team. I don't know if it's casserly, the owner, or the past coaches, but each year there are quality players from the university of texas and they end up on other teams rosters. The most glaring was Derrick Johnson last year. This year there will be a qb, db, d lineman, olineman, and a tight end who catches everything coming into this draft. The Texans could use any of them, but, i'm prepared to see all of these players go to another nfl team. It just seems odd to me that the worst team in the nfl that has never had a winning season would not draft any players from one of the best teams in college football over the last five years other than Sloan Thomas in the 7th round or have any players from this university on the roster period either through the draft or free agency.

jerek
01-13-2006, 10:27 AM
Won't draft Longhorns? That's a bit of a conspiracy theory, isn't it?

I too questioned the passover of Derrick Johnson last year, and I too would have liked to see him wearing Texans blue this season.

But a guy can be stupid for a lot of reasons. He doesn't have to entertain a blind prejudice in the process.

Kaiser Toro
01-13-2006, 10:30 AM
Vince Young will not be coming to the texans IMO, because from some reason it appears to me someone does not want any Longhorns on this team. I don't know if it's casserly, the owner, or the past coaches, but each year there are quality players from the university of texas and they end up on other teams rosters. The most claring was Derrick Johnson last year. This year there will be a qb, db, d lineman, olineman, and a tight end who catches everything coming into this draft. The Texans could use any of them, but, i'm prepared to see all of these players go to another nfl team. It just seems odd to me that the worst team in the nfl that has never had a winning season would not draft any players from one of the best teams in college football over the last five years.

Outside of DJ and Benson, there really has not been a guy that I wanted for the Texans and I did not feel that they were a fit. This year there are three that are at need positions - Jon Scott, Rod Wright and Michael Huff.

BREAZE
01-13-2006, 10:34 AM
Keep in mind we are only a 4 year old franchise...

swisher
01-13-2006, 10:37 AM
The Texans have drafted exactly one Longhorn (Sloan Thomas), Aggie (Chance Pearce) and Red Raider (B.J. Symons).

No one from Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU or any other Texas school.

They have never drafted a player from:

USC (yet)
Penn State
West Virginia
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
UCLA
Auburn
Wisconsin
Boston College
Clemson
Oklahoma
Cal

All of these teams finished in the top 25 this year. So what's your point?

http://www.drafthistory.com/team-college/texans.html

Dennis007
01-13-2006, 10:40 AM
What's so funny is the Texans are not going to draft VY or RB! LOL

They are going to re-sign D Carr, which we all know.

And trade down. Reggie or Vince won't be here..LOL


If they we're smart, they would work on drafting both. That should be the focus after the HC is hired.. Why pick just one when you have the cards to pick both!!!

profan
01-13-2006, 10:43 AM
Outside of DJ and Benson, there really has not been a guy that I wanted for the Texans and I did not feel that they were a fit. This year there are three that are at need positions - Jon Scott, Rod Wright and Michael Huff.
What about David Thomas. The guy has great hands at TE.

swisher
01-13-2006, 10:43 AM
If they we're smart, they would work on drafting both. That should be the focus after the HC is hired.. Why pick just one when you have the cards to pick both!!!

Why stop there? They should work on drafting Bush, Young, D'Brickashaw Ferguson and AJ Hawk....that would be totally awesome!

Oh, yeah, I know why. Because that would be impossible.

Texans Honk
01-13-2006, 10:44 AM
Vince Young will not be coming to the texans IMO, because from some reason it appears to me someone does not want any Longhorns on this team. I don't know if it's casserly, the owner, or the past coaches, but each year there are quality players from the university of texas and they end up on other teams rosters. The most claring was Derrick Johnson last year. This year there will be a qb, db, d lineman, olineman, and a tight end who catches everything coming into this draft. The Texans could use any of them, but, i'm prepared to see all of these players go to another nfl team. It just seems odd to me that the worst team in the nfl that has never had a winning season would not draft any players from one of the best teams in college football over the last five years.

I thought McNair's son is a UT alumni?

swisher
01-13-2006, 10:45 AM
I thought McNair's son is a UT alumni?


Both of his sons are.

tsip
01-13-2006, 10:49 AM
Outside of DJ and Benson, there really has not been a guy that I wanted for the Texans and I did not feel that they were a fit. This year there are three that are at need positions - Jon Scott, Rod Wright and Michael Huff.

UT also has a very good TE in Thomas and also had one last year in Bo Scaife who was drafted by the Titans and played all year for them

Kaiser Toro
01-13-2006, 10:50 AM
What about David Thomas. The guy has great hands at TE.

I stand corrected. DT would be a 3-4 round candidate for a need position, in my opinion.

Dennis007
01-13-2006, 10:50 AM
Why stop there? They should work on drafting Bush, Young, D'Brickashaw Ferguson and AJ Hawk....that would be totally awesome!

Oh, yeah, I know why. Because that would be impossible.

I stopped there b/c it's possible.. Where you went is impossible.

profan
01-13-2006, 10:51 AM
The Texans have drafted exactly one Longhorn (Sloan Thomas), Aggie (Chance Pearce) and Red Raider (B.J. Symons).

No one from Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU or any other Texas school.

They have never drafted a player from:

USC (yet)
Penn State
West Virginia
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
UCLA
Auburn
Wisconsin
Boston College
Clemson
Oklahoma
Cal

All of these teams finished in the top 25 this year. So what's your point?

http://www.drafthistory.com/team-college/texans.html

Maybe not drafted, but we do have players from a good number of these teams on our roster. My point is i do not think the texans will draft a player from ut for one reason or another. That's my point. So don't get your hopes up that any of these players will be coming here.

swisher
01-13-2006, 10:52 AM
I stopped there b/c it's possible.. Where you went is impossible.


No, getting Bush AND Young is impossible.

Tell me exactly how that could ever happen.

swisher
01-13-2006, 10:59 AM
Maybe not drafted, but we do have players from a good number of these teams on our roster. My point is i do not think the texans will draft a player from ut for one reason or another. That's my point. So don't get your hopes up that any of these players will be coming here.


The Texans have 4 players currently on the roster who attended the schools who won the past 9 National Championships. So there alot of really good colleges the Texans are not getting players from, not just Texas.

CenTexNative
01-13-2006, 11:00 AM
You expect them to draft from everyone in only 4 years....not gonna happen. Give them time.

profan
01-13-2006, 11:20 AM
You expect them to draft from everyone in only 4 years....not gonna happen. Give them time.
No just draft, i'm talking also about free agency, etc. We have never had one longhorn on our roster. Don't expect them to draft everyone. They really don't need any more time than this year and i'm not referring to vy. There are numerous other players that the texans can use. If they are not available, then, i can live with that, but if we pass them up again(derrick johnston), then i will not be happy.

swisher
01-13-2006, 11:40 AM
We have never had one longhorn on our roster..

yes we have...Sloan Thomas. Ok, he never actually played for us, but we did have him.

profan
01-13-2006, 11:44 AM
yes we have...Sloan Thomas.

I don't remember him being on our final roster. I know we had him in camp, but I thought he was let go.

swisher
01-13-2006, 11:45 AM
I don't remember him being on our final roster. I know we had him in camp, but I thought he was let go.


You're right, I checked right after I posted and edited my post at the same time. I think he was on the practice squad in 04.

Peldon
01-13-2006, 11:45 AM
I don't remember him being on our final roster. I know we had him in camp, but I thought he was let go.

He was on the practice squad for a year but was never on the final roster.

Jack Bauer
01-13-2006, 11:48 AM
yes we have...Sloan Thomas. Ok, he never actually played for us, but we did have him.

This also blows your, we have never drafted a player from the University of Texas statement. He was drafted by the Texans.

stevo3883
01-13-2006, 11:48 AM
QB Vince Young- top 3
FS/SS/CB Michael Huff- top 15
LT Jonathon Scott- top 25
DT Rod Wright- top 35
CB Cedric Griffin- top 100
TE David Thomas- top 115
RG Will Allen- top 125
LB Aaron Harris- top 150

will anyone be suspicious if we don't end up with ANY, considering all of them are at positions that could use an upgrade or depth?

swisher
01-13-2006, 11:51 AM
would Thomas with one of our third round picks be a reach? That would be the 64th or 65th pick.

Jack Bauer
01-13-2006, 11:52 AM
QB Vince Young- top 3
FS/SS/CB Michael Huff- top 15
LT Jonathon Scott- top 25
DT Rod Wright- top 35
CB Cedric Griffin- top 100
TE David Thomas- top 115
RG Will Allen- top 125
LB Aaron Harris- top 150

will anyone be suspicious if we don't end up with ANY, considering all of them are at positions that could use an upgrade or depth?

No, if they have players above them on their board, why would they take that player just because they went to UT? If they have someone else above them and draft the player from UT, they should be fired for doing so.

If the Texans slot comes up and the top ranked player on their board went to UT, they would select that player.

swisher
01-13-2006, 11:54 AM
No, if they have players above them on their board, why would they take that player just because they went to UT? If they have someone else above them and draft the player from UT, they should be fired for doing so.

If the Texans slot comes up and the top ranked player on their board went to UT, they would select that player.


What he said.

stevo3883
01-13-2006, 11:54 AM
would Thomas with one of our third round picks be a reach? That would be the 64th or 65th pick.


no i don't think so.

the only reason hes rated so low is his size (6'3 245), but his stock is soaring after everyone saw what he can do in the RB.

profan
01-13-2006, 12:02 PM
No, if they have players above them on their board, why would they take that player just because they went to UT? If they have someone else above them and draft the player from UT, they should be fired for doing so.

If the Texans slot comes up and the top ranked player on their board went to UT, they would select that player.

Yea, but the will the texans ever put a ut player in that position. Derrick Johnson was there last year and the texans dropped down and did not take him. Would not mind having Nathan Vasher in our secondary.

And yes, i did make a mistake on Thomas and will edit my post. We took him in the 7th round.

Double Barrel
01-13-2006, 12:14 PM
Man, we're dragging the waters with this thread. Does anyone honestly believe a CON$piracy exists in the Texans front office against UT players?

Seriously, this is borderline crazy talk. :crazy:

They draft who they draft because of talent and need, NOT because of school affiliation.

stevo3883
01-13-2006, 12:17 PM
Man, we're dragging the waters with this thread. Does anyone honestly believe a CON$piracy exists in the Texans front office against UT players?

Seriously, this is borderline crazy talk. :crazy:

They draft who they draft because of talent and need, NOT because of school affiliation.


but last years actions don't point to that.

Talent- DJ amazing talent
Need- TJ drafted as depth, DJ wouldve started immediately
BPA- TJ wasn't close to the BPA on anyones board i know of

yet our decision- Draft a backup DT with a so-so senior season

Jack Bauer
01-13-2006, 12:21 PM
Man, we're dragging the waters with this thread. Does anyone honestly believe a CON$piracy exists in the Texans front office against UT players?

Seriously, this is borderline crazy talk. :crazy:

They draft who they draft because of talent and need, NOT because of school affiliation.

Ditto. I don't know how someone could think this.

SESupergenius
01-13-2006, 12:27 PM
Could the burnt oranges cry any more? It's the NFL, not college.

Double Barrel
01-13-2006, 12:29 PM
but last years actions don't point to that.

Talent- DJ amazing talent
Need- TJ drafted as depth, DJ wouldve started immediately
BPA- TJ wasn't close to the BPA on anyones board i know of

yet our decision- Draft a backup DT with a so-so senior season

Well, "need" and "talent" are subjective terms. I'm not saying the Texans front office always got it right, but in their own eyes, they chose who they thought was right at the time.

But one thing I am sure of: school affiliation has absolutely no bearing on the decision making process. It would not be logical or prudent.

V Man
01-13-2006, 12:31 PM
They have never drafted a player from:

USC (yet)
Penn State
West Virginia
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
UCLA
Auburn
Wisconsin
Boston College
Clemson
Oklahoma
Cal



http://www.drafthistory.com/team-college/texans.html

I sometimes wonder that isn't a part of our problem, we don't draft enough players from big time college programs or conferences.

Look at our roster and look where most of our better players come from.
AJ - Miami
DD- LSU
DRob- South Carolina (SEC)
Gaffney- Florida

the Question marks on our team
Carr- Freseno State
Peak- Cinci
Babin- Western Michigan

OLB is a perfect example of what I am trying to get accross. Babin and Peak both have the physical tools to play, but never have been outstanding. But we put in Shantee Orr (Michigan) and he gets more sacks than anyone if less than half the games. There is more to football than a big body with good speed, there instincts and football knowledge. To me what level of college football you played is just as important as a 40 time.:twocents:

texasguy346
01-13-2006, 12:48 PM
To me what level of college football you played is just as important as a 40 time.:twocents:

That seems to be a little bit of a skewed perspective. Dallas seemed to do fine with Demarcus Ware out of Troy. Definately not in a top flight division. Heck you could toss in Lefty, Big Ben, and anyone else who played in the MAC. It certainly hasn't been considered an elite conference. Going old school you could toss in the likes of a Steve McNair or Jerry Rice who all came from small schools in small conferences.

I really don't see how what school a player went to or what conference he played in has any weight with NFL front office people. They draft whom they feel best fits what they're looking for and whether they played in the Pac 10 or the MAC is irrelevant.

As for the UT conspiracy theory I wouldn't put much into it. As Swisher pointed out there are a ton of schools where we haven't drafted a player from yet. Heck, I'm a Baylor alum, and you won't find me on the board pimping Willie Andrews or Allred even though they're both prospects in the upcoming draft. Come to think of it I don't recall the Texans ever having a Baylor Bear on their roster (practice squad or otherwise). They never acquired one through the draft or FA either. As a matter of fact Bob McNair didn't send either of his sons to attend Baylor. I smell something fishy. It must be a massive conspiracy by Bob McNair and the Texans. :rolleyes:

TheOgre
01-13-2006, 12:49 PM
QB Vince Young- top 3
FS/SS/CB Michael Huff- top 15
LT Jonathon Scott- top 25
DT Rod Wright- top 35
CB Cedric Griffin- top 100
TE David Thomas- top 115
RG Will Allen- top 125
LB Aaron Harris- top 150

will anyone be suspicious if we don't end up with ANY, considering all of them are at positions that could use an upgrade or depth?

I don't see us needing Wright or Young. We won't draft Huff since he won't be on the board in the 2nd. The same might be the case with Scott. David Thomas would be a nice addition to the passing game, but I don't like his blocking skills. Who knows if we will take or have a shot at Griffin, Allen or Harris around the time they should go. I'm an UT alumni, but I don't expect the team to take Horns just because they can. I did scratch my head when they passed up Simms for Ragone and DJ for TJ, but I wonder if my own biases played into that.

TheOgre
01-13-2006, 12:50 PM
Could the burnt oranges cry any more? It's the NFL, not college.

Thank you. I went to UT and am sick of my fellow alums whining every time we pass on a Horn.

stevo3883
01-13-2006, 12:56 PM
That seems to be a little bit of a skewed perspective. Dallas seemed to do fine with Demarcus Ware out of Troy. Definately not in a top flight division.




Ware probably isnt the best example. His last few seasons Troy played teams like Miami, Mizzou, LSU, South Carolina, and i believe USC and Nebraska.

they went crazy scheduling great teams to make lots of money.

swtbound07
01-13-2006, 12:57 PM
I sometimes wonder that isn't a part of our problem, we don't draft enough players from big time college programs or conferences.

Look at our roster and look where most of our better players come from.
AJ - Miami
DD- LSU
DRob- South Carolina (SEC)
Gaffney- Florida

the Question marks on our team
Carr- Freseno State
Peak- Cinci
Babin- Western Michigan

OLB is a perfect example of what I am trying to get accross. Babin and Peak both have the physical tools to play, but never have been outstanding. But we put in Shantee Orr (Michigan) and he gets more sacks than anyone if less than half the games. There is more to football than a big body with good speed, there instincts and football knowledge. To me what level of college football you played is just as important as a 40 time.:twocents:


thats a heck of a theory.....i had never even considered that.....but on the other hand, we have had less than stellar performances from big schools
travis johnson
and pro bowl caliber performances from small schools
jerome mathis-hampton

V Man
01-13-2006, 01:01 PM
That seems to be a little bit of a skewed perspective. Dallas seemed to do fine with Demarcus Ware out of Troy. Definately not in a top flight division. Heck you could toss in Lefty, Big Ben, and anyone else who played in the MAC. It certainly hasn't been considered an elite conference. Going old school you could toss in the likes of a Steve McNair or Jerry Rice who all came from small schools in small conferences.

I really don't see how what school a player went to or what conference he played in has any weight with NFL front office people. They draft whom they feel best fits what they're looking for and whether they played in the Pac 10 or the MAC is irrelevant.

As for the UT conspiracy theory I wouldn't put much into it. As Swisher pointed out there are a ton of schools where we haven't drafted a player from yet. Heck, I'm a Baylor alum, and you won't find me on the board pimping Willie Andrews or Allred even though they're both prospects in the upcoming draft. Come to think of it I don't recall the Texans ever having a Baylor Bear on their roster (practice squad or otherwise). They never acquired one through the draft or FA either. As a matter of fact Bob McNair didn't send either of his sons to attend Baylor. I smell something fishy. It must be a massive conspiracy by Bob McNair and the Texans. :rolleyes:

I don't disagree with you, there are good players that come from smaller schools (many if fact, Mathis on the Texans in fact). But to say the level of competition doesn't matter is foolish. We passed on Bob Sanders, many say because at 5'8" he was too short. But he played against top competition, and now he starts for Indy, and is better than anything we have at safety. People sometimes just get too lost up in the players size and speed, and forget to see if they can actually play football.

Kaiser Toro
01-13-2006, 01:02 PM
I don't disagree with you, there are good players that come from smaller schools (many if fact, Mathis on the Texans in fact). But to say the level of competition doesn't matter is foolish. We passed on Bob Sanders, many say because at 5'8" he was too short. But he played against top competition, and now he starts for Indy, and is better than anything we have at safety. People sometimes just get too lost up in the players size and speed, and forget to see if they can actually play football.

It is a case by case basis, plain and simple.

texasguy346
01-13-2006, 01:03 PM
Ware probably isnt the best example. His last few seasons Troy played teams like Miami, Mizzou, LSU, South Carolina, and i believe USC and Nebraska.

they went crazy scheduling great teams to make lots of money.

True, but the case has been made over and over again in the draft that what conference you played in doesn't matter much. As swtbound pointed out, even our own Jerome Mathis came from a small school (Hampton), and is an All Pro in his rookie season. You could even toss in Seth Payne. He definately didn't come from a football powerhouse conference. The NFL is full of players from small schools & conferences that succeed at the next level. Just as it's full of players from big schools & conferences that succeed at the next level. Good players shine whether they're from a big or small school/conference.

texandevildog
01-13-2006, 01:15 PM
Why stop there? They should work on drafting Bush, Young, D'Brickashaw Ferguson and AJ Hawk....that would be totally awesome!

Oh, yeah, I know why. Because that would be impossible.


I think they should trade down third or fouth place. Take the New York Jets for example, we get there two best offensive lineman, and Vilma, and maybe a second or third round pick. And with the forth pick select A.J. Hawk. This way they can re-build the poor offensive line and get two young very good defensive prospects. With the second round, either get a DE or a WR.

texasguy346
01-13-2006, 01:25 PM
I don't disagree with you, there are good players that come from smaller schools (many if fact, Mathis on the Texans in fact). But to say the level of competition doesn't matter is foolish. We passed on Bob Sanders, many say because at 5'8" he was too short. But he played against top competition, and now he starts for Indy, and is better than anything we have at safety. People sometimes just get too lost up in the players size and speed, and forget to see if they can actually play football.

Bob Sanders was taken in the 2nd I believe. Whereas CC Brown was taken in the 6th Round. Big difference as to where they were drafted. Quite frankly I think Brown did very well considering the defense he was in. Do you really think Sanders would've make a dramatic improvement in our defense? If so do you really think he was worth the 16th pick in the draft? I think our biggest weakness at safety was Coleman. A Red Raider, and a guy from the Big 12. It seemed that our defense improved slightly with Earl and Brown at the safety spots. Did Brown play better than Coleman? I think so.

You could make a great case for saying that our front office was poor at prioritizing our need positions in the draft. There are plenty of examples of that, but do you really think that players drafted from small schools are the problem with the Texans? Or just a poorly managed scouting department?

As for your last statement I agree whole heartedly. The same is true, however, for what conference a player plays in. People sometimes just get too lost up in what conference a player plays in, and forget to see if they can actually play football.

El Tejano
01-13-2006, 01:38 PM
trading down for more picks would only give Casserly more opportunities to screw this thing up.

profan
01-13-2006, 01:46 PM
trading down for more picks would only give Casserly more opportunities to screw this thing up.

I don't think casserly will have as much control in this draft that he has had in the past. I think the owner will be more involved and may get some input from Reeves and the new HC would certainly have some input. I just don't see ownership allowing casserly to screw up this important draft.

bigTEXan8
01-13-2006, 01:52 PM
I don't know why I keep thinking this, but I think Reeves is going to be our GM, and Cass is on his way out. I just don't see Cass staying around that much longer. Look in this draft to be more of a Reeves draft.

ZipDog
01-13-2006, 03:21 PM
Won't draft Longhorns? That's a bit of a conspiracy theory, isn't it?

I too questioned the passover of Derrick Johnson last year, and I too would have liked to see him wearing Texans blue this season.

But a guy can be stupid for a lot of reasons. He doesn't have to entertain a blind prejudice in the process.

Well, as a new poster here (I only read the last year or so), I thought about where to post my thoughts on the 2006 NFL Draft. Your comments spurred me to decide on this thread.

I live in Amarillo, Texas; and, up here, the Dallas Cowboys are kings. However, many of us looked forward to the new franchise in Houston. We followed the events leading to the decision on the nickname, the colors, the stadium, the early drafts, and (especially) the games.

The CBS affiliate up here in the Panhandle actually showed the Texans games for awhile!! How cool was that?!? About halfway through this past regular season, however, these TV guys reverted to their previous practice of televising the Denver Broncos games. Do you have any idea how that grates on a Texan?

To the point: from both a marketer's standpoint and a football standpoint, Vince Young makes sense to the Houston Texans. Reggie Bush will be good, if he has blocking, which the Texans have NEVER had. Leinart is a stiff, just like David Carr. Young is a player who is likely to change the paradigm of NFL QB play, a paradigm started (but not yet completed) by Michael Vick. I would hate to see (or, depending on where Young goes, NEVER see) another NFL team go to a Super Bowl because the Houston Texans stuck with a regressing "project" like David Carr. Trade this guy to the Jets or Dolphins or...heck....even Dallas!

Just my opinion, of course....but, we disenfranchised Houston Texans fans up here in the Texas Panhandle would love to be able to watch the Texans, again. And, Vince Young would ensure that prospect. Selfish? Yes! Smart? I think so.....

V Man
01-13-2006, 03:38 PM
thats a heck of a theory.....i had never even considered that.....but on the other hand, we have had less than stellar performances from big schools
travis johnson
and pro bowl caliber performances from small schools
jerome mathis-hampton

Agreed, I just come draft day have another Babin experience, where we trade several picks for some player you barely ever heard of that ran a good 40 at the combine.

As for Mathis, I thought we got him in the right round, maybe even one lower (I liked him in the 3rd), but we didn't trade the farm to move a draft him to high.

Texans Horror
01-13-2006, 03:44 PM
Huff, Wright, Scott, Thomas, and Young are all good football players. I don't think we will get any of them. I think the Texans are going to draft Reggie, and none of these guys will be around for Round 2.

V Man
01-13-2006, 03:50 PM
Bob Sanders was taken in the 2nd I believe. Whereas CC Brown was taken in the 6th Round. Big difference as to where they were drafted. Quite frankly I think Brown did very well considering the defense he was in. Do you really think Sanders would've make a dramatic improvement in our defense? If so do you really think he was worth the 16th pick in the draft? I think our biggest weakness at safety was Coleman. A Red Raider, and a guy from the Big 12. It seemed that our defense improved slightly with Earl and Brown at the safety spots. Did Brown play better than Coleman? I think so.

You could make a great case for saying that our front office was poor at prioritizing our need positions in the draft. There are plenty of examples of that, but do you really think that players drafted from small schools are the problem with the Texans? Or just a poorly managed scouting department?

As for your last statement I agree whole heartedly. The same is true, however, for what conference a player plays in. People sometimes just get too lost up in what conference a player plays in, and forget to see if they can actually play football.

First the 16th pick is not the second round.

As for Coleman vs Brown. I don't think you can compare them. Coleman is old and has lost a step, basically out of postion, and I think he quit on the team. As for Brown, I also though he did a good job for where he was drafted, but really did he do a good job at a NFL level. I think he is getting use to the speed of the game, and next year should do even better.

As for the last part, people do get too lost in the conference as well. The player should be judged as a whole. For example, some corner from a small school will run well at the combine, and lets say for arguement, Minter from Geogria doesn't. People will start buzzing about Joe Whatever, who ran a 4.3 but hasn't seen or covered a top receiver ever, and look past Minter who normally runs well and has covered some of the top receivers in college. I guess its like a bird in hand compared to two in the bush. I would rather you would go with the one you can do it, not the one who still has to learn to do it.:twocents:

texasguy346
01-16-2006, 10:57 AM
First the 16th pick is not the second round.

As for Coleman vs Brown. I don't think you can compare them. Coleman is old and has lost a step, basically out of postion, and I think he quit on the team. As for Brown, I also though he did a good job for where he was drafted, but really did he do a good job at a NFL level. I think he is getting use to the speed of the game, and next year should do even better.

As for the last part, people do get too lost in the conference as well. The player should be judged as a whole. For example, some corner from a small school will run well at the combine, and lets say for arguement, Minter from Geogria doesn't. People will start buzzing about Joe Whatever, who ran a 4.3 but hasn't seen or covered a top receiver ever, and look past Minter who normally runs well and has covered some of the top receivers in college. I guess its like a bird in hand compared to two in the bush. I would rather you would go with the one you can do it, not the one who still has to learn to do it.:twocents:

The 16th pick is where we would have had to take Bob Sanders since CC traded our 2nd Round pick to Oakland in exchange for Phillip Buchanon. Since you made it a point of comparing Brown (a 6th Round pick) with Sanders (a 2nd Round pick) I could only assume you would have preferred the team grabbed him instead of Brown seeing as how Brown played in a small school in a small conference.

The Coleman v Brown comparison is valid since we're talking about Big Conference v Little Conference. Brown, coming from a smaller school & smaller conference, was named as the NFL Rookie of the Week a time or two by GBN. As was Mathis. Conversely, Coleman was benched in favor of the player from the smaller conference. As for Coleman playing out of position I definately can't agree with you there if your thinking he should still be a CB. His last season as a CB he was getting burned regularly by just about any receiver he was matched up against. His only other position that he'd be better suited for is the bench.

However if Coleman v Brown seems unsuitable to you, then you can make similar cases at other positions. You've got Payne from Cornell and Jerry Deloach from Cal for the DT/NT spot. You could also mention a Victor Riley from Auburn and Chester Pitts from San Diego State, and their levels of success as LTs. While the Payne/DeLoach comparision is a closer race, the Pitts/Riley comparision is day & night. Does that mean we should exclusively draft from small conferences? Of course not. Nor does it mean we should exclusively draft from big conferences.

If you want to factor in the level of talent they played against there are better ways to do it than to simply chalk it up to their particular conference. Take a look at all their games both conference and non-conference, and take into account how they play while still accounting for their particular positions reliance on pressure/protection/etc. For instance if your scouting a CB it's difficult to see how he grades out if his DL isn't able to get pressure on the QB. Or conversely if you're grading a QB and his receivers just aren't able to get open or hold on to the ball. Simply saying well this QB plays in the Pac 10 whereas this one plays in the SEC so the SEC QB must be the better player since he faces tougher defenses isn't a good way to evaluate talent.

LBC_Justin
01-16-2006, 11:52 AM
Vince Young will not be coming to the texans IMO, because from some reason it appears to me someone does not want any Longhorns on this team. I don't know if it's casserly, the owner, or the past coaches, but each year there are quality players from the university of texas and they end up on other teams rosters. The most glaring was Derrick Johnson last year. This year there will be a qb, db, d lineman, olineman, and a tight end who catches everything coming into this draft. The Texans could use any of them, but, i'm prepared to see all of these players go to another nfl team. It just seems odd to me that the worst team in the nfl that has never had a winning season would not draft any players from one of the best teams in college football over the last five years other than Sloan Thomas in the 7th round or have any players from this university on the roster period either through the draft or free agency.
Since the Texans have been in the NFL.

Teams that have Drafted Longhorn players
Bears
Chiefs
Titans
Lions
Seahawks
Texans
Redskins
Buccaneers
Giants
Bills
Chargers

Teams that have not drafted Longhorn players
Vikings
Packers
Raiders
Broncos
Jaguars
Colts
Niners
Cardinals
Rams
Cowboys
Eagles
Falcons
Saints
Panthers
Patriots
Dolphins
Jets

Your right someone does not want any Longhorns on this team.
And it is 4 of the 6 Divison winners this year. Maybe they are on to something.:crying:



Hook'em Horns <- Thats right I am a UT guy but I can't stand to see people like you giving real Horns a bad name.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2006, 11:57 AM
I'm a big proponent of taking guys who played at big time programs. You can find a Larry Allen and Mathis here and there but I think guys that performed at big time schools can catch on better in the NFL and still reach the levels they had before. If you look at the last three drafts of the Broncos..if we have Kubes..they almost went with nothing but big time programs.

I agree with the poster above about Casserly. I think they kept him for a transition stay but in no way a permanent fixture. I feel like he is on a leash and that they have to babysit him when he goes on the air. I just think he has no clue at this point.

LBC_Justin
01-16-2006, 11:57 AM
Just my opinion, of course....but, we disenfranchised Houston Texans fans up here in the Texas Panhandle would love to be able to watch the Texans, again. And, Vince Young would ensure that prospect. Selfish? Yes! Smart? I think so.....
Winning. That is the only think that will get you your Texans back. If we take Vince you may not recognize any of the players on the Texans roster by the time they get back on TV in your area, because we won't be winning in a while. Vince won't be playing for a while.

In my case I live in Southern California. How many Texans games do you think I get to see? (Actually I got to see all of them because I got Direct TV NFL Sunday Ticket.)

LBC_Justin
01-16-2006, 12:01 PM
Vince Young will not be coming to the texans IMO, because from some reason it appears to me someone does not want any Longhorns on this team. I don't know if it's casserly, the owner, or the past coaches, but each year there are quality players from the university of texas and they end up on other teams rosters. The most glaring was Derrick Johnson last year. This year there will be a qb, db, d lineman, olineman, and a tight end who catches everything coming into this draft. The Texans could use any of them, but, i'm prepared to see all of these players go to another nfl team. It just seems odd to me that the worst team in the nfl that has never had a winning season would not draft any players from one of the best teams in college football over the last five years other than Sloan Thomas in the 7th round or have any players from this university on the roster period either through the draft or free agency.Texans don't draft players from USC either.

disaacks3
01-16-2006, 12:37 PM
trading down for more picks would only give Casserly more opportunities to screw this thing up. That's been my fear as well, ever since McNair said they were keeping CC even AFTER they fired Capers.

As for this "conspiracy", I don't think Cass & Co. were smart enough to even remember what school these guys came from to begin with.

The BIG school / SMALL school debate - This is NOT breaking news people. Scouts, Draftniks, GMs, Coaches, et al. for the NFL have ALWAYS questioned the abilities of kids coming from the "small-school" programs. This is why you see their stock rise suddenly after things like the Senior Bowl, Blue-Gray, East-West Shrine game, etc. IF they wow the watchers with their performance against higher echelon competition.

When you look like a "man among boys" in an all-star game, you help convince the scouts that you're ready for the next level. Players from USC, LSU, FSU, Ohio State don't have that issue because they've already established their bonafides as producers of NFL-caliber talent. S/W Missouri State doesn't have that luxury.

Tale Gator
01-16-2006, 12:39 PM
This just in...

Texans will not draft anyone from Gonzaga.

This decision has nothing to do with their lack of a football program -- it's all personal. :challenge