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tulexan
01-12-2006, 05:18 PM
Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.

Mortensen just talked with Kubiak and Gary has said that he really likes David Carr.

Mort said that barring some big trade down. Bush will be the guy despite all of the clamoring by the fans.


Nothing new, but I thought I would let people know.

thunderkyss
01-12-2006, 05:28 PM
Right after that, the other fella said that Bush won't make much of an impact on our team.

tulexan
01-12-2006, 05:30 PM
Yeah he said that he won't make much of an impact if we don't address the OL just like every other player on offense. I think that is a given.

Nawzer
01-12-2006, 05:42 PM
If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.

tulexan
01-12-2006, 05:46 PM
If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.


I think a lot of people don't really understand that concept. They look at the sacks and say that our line is terrible. The talking heads generally don't understand that we have a pretty good run blocking line but that they couldn't pass protect if their lives depended on it.

Porky
01-12-2006, 05:47 PM
While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush. :redtowel:

tulexan
01-12-2006, 05:52 PM
I'd like to see Bush getting a little screen pass with Leonard Pope in front of him laying down the lumber and knocking heads off down the field.

JDizzle
01-12-2006, 05:56 PM
While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush. :redtowel:

I agree. I'd be stoked on the coaching changes alone, let alone the top player in the draft being added to the roster.

Double Barrel
01-12-2006, 06:16 PM
Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.

Mortensen just talked with Kubiak and Gary has said that he really likes David Carr.

Mort said that barring some big trade down. Bush will be the guy despite all of the clamoring by the fans.


Nothing new, but I thought I would let people know.

My gut feeling is this is our future. Kubiak thinks he can do something with Carr, and adding a second (or third if you include DD) playmaker is never a bad thing. Beef up the o-line to afford consistent protection, and the turnaround could be sooner than later.

I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007... :penalty:

HJam72
01-12-2006, 06:18 PM
I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007... :penalty:

Fangio's gone, so maybe (just maybe) we don't need to (very badly).

Nawzer
01-12-2006, 06:30 PM
The reason I think we will keep Carr is because of the similarities between him and Jake Plummer. Both are good running QBs and both can really sell that bootleg playaction pass. Sure Plummer's been more succesful at it, but I think Gary Kubiak had something do with it. I think Kubiak will like to take a shot with Carr and sort of make him our version of Jake Plummer.

awtysst
01-12-2006, 06:51 PM
I've got a feeling, though, that we won't do much to address our defense until 2007... :penalty:

Here is the thing and i think it was addressed here before But I feel the need to reiterate. We cannot have a solid offense AND solid defense within a year. It is too tough to do that. We have holes on both our offense and D. This does not mean we should compleltely ignore one side of the ball, but I think we should focus on one side of the ball at a time. Remember KC might be just offense, but it is a whole lot better then being the Bengals prior to the last couple of seasons.

Double Barrel
01-12-2006, 06:54 PM
Here is the thing and i think it was addressed here before But I feel the need to reiterate. We cannot have a solid offense AND solid defense within a year. It is too tough to do that. We have holes on both our offense and D. This does not mean we should compleltely ignore one side of the ball, but I think we should focus on one side of the ball at a time. Remember KC might be just offense, but it is a whole lot better then being the Bengals prior to the last couple of seasons.

yep, I agree. Both units are way below average, so first things first. Get the offensive team on the same page, under an offensive minded head coach, and give them a year to play together. Address the defense in 2007.

We've only got so many choices, so some areas will not be fully addressed in one off-season.

run-david-run
01-12-2006, 07:52 PM
If DD can rush for above a thousand yards and be a productive back with our o-line I think Bush will be even better. Run blocking is not a big problem it's pass protection and I think the Texans will have a chance at addressing the problem later in the draft. It has been proven that you can build a good o-line with picks later in the draft. The Texans will also have the opportunity to go out in FA to sign some veteran players. Beside a rookie o-lineman no matter how talented will struggle at the pro-level. What we need are guys who can come in and make an instant impact for our team.
Yeah, so the rookie RB wont struggle? WHo is to say that Bush will be better then DD? The worst thing that can happen to this team is for Bush to be given the start when we have a proven and respected NFL RB in place. From what I have seen of Bush he is a niece guy and a hard worker, but I think the last thing we need is "the next big thing" coming in and being given the spot over DD, he should have to earn it like everyone else.

PS- our line really is that bad. Can you honestly tell me that when its 3rd and 9, you honestly beleive Carr will have the time? Football is a team sport, it requries a lot of trust in your teammates, how is Carr supposed to trust this O-line, which has failed him over 200 times?

tulexan
01-12-2006, 07:57 PM
I don't think we are going to have a starter next year at RB next year. Some games Reggie will start, some games Domanick will start. It will have nothing to do with who earns it or who doesn't, it will do with what the play is and who will give us the best opportunity to successfully complete that play.

keyfro
01-12-2006, 08:02 PM
basically i have to agree with mortenson...carr is our best option...i know VY is an out-standing player...i enjoy watching him play every week except when he plays us(tx tech)...you simply can't say enough about VY...his leadership...his ability...he's just special...but so is reggie bush...and i think what this boils down to his us(the fans) backing whoever we end up with...if it is reggie we can't hold VY over his head...if we trade down and pick up d'brick or hawk or mario williams you can't hold VY over their heads...be happy that we'll have a head coach with some freaking football sense and enjoy this upcoming year...because i just have a gut feeling that it's going to be a good...9-7

edo783
01-12-2006, 08:03 PM
Fangio's gone, so maybe (just maybe) we don't need to (very badly).

THAT is a very good point HJam. Our guys up front are at least average NFL lineman, the backers are close to it and one CB is outstanding. Will we be the Bears defense....hardly, but we MIGHT be able to approch NFL average in 06 with a new DC and some solid schemes. If we get the improvement in the offense that I think may be coming and we get the defense to a rank of from 15-20th, we should be fairly happy with the results.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 08:09 PM
THAT is a very good point HJam. Our guys up front are at least average NFL lineman, the backers are close to it and one CB is outstanding. Will we be the Bears defense....hardly, but we MIGHT be able to approch NFL average in 06 with a new DC and some solid schemes. If we get the improvement in the offense that I think may be coming and we get the defense to a rank of from 15-20th, we should be fairly happy with the results.

I have in the past and do agree with this assessment. To stay on topic I do not have a problem with Bush or Carr being here, I just think we can go a different avenue to achieve short and long term success.

Porky
01-12-2006, 08:26 PM
PS- our line really is that bad. Can you honestly tell me that when its 3rd and 9, you honestly beleive Carr will have the time? Football is a team sport, it requries a lot of trust in your teammates, how is Carr supposed to trust this O-line, which has failed him over 200 times?

Actually it's really NOT that bad imo. A good pass blocking line? No. But not as bad as many make it out to be. A few points. First, if we add a weapon like Bush, maybe, just maybe, defenses will be more reticent to blitz as often as they do now. That will give Carr more time. Maybe there is more to pass blocking than the 5 lineman. Maybe, just maybe a QB who just once would burn a blitz would tend to slow the rush down. How many times has Carr burnt the blitz? Maybe a RB who could chip on a pass rusher would help. Maybe a great blocking TE next to the tackles would help. Maybe better coaching than the Jr. High line coaches we have had would help. Hey, how about a real NFL scheme, insstead of pee wee league?:brickwall

run-david-run
01-12-2006, 08:34 PM
When was the last time you saw a slant to AJ on a blitz? Anytime Peyton Manning sees a blitz, he has the ability to switch to a play to counter that, DC does, or rather, didnt, have that option. I think that a new coaching staff will bring improvement in both Carr and the line, but will it be enough?

tulexan
01-12-2006, 08:36 PM
Hey, Carr had the ability to audible to a run to the left. That's enough right?

Nighthawk
01-12-2006, 08:39 PM
Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.



Anybody but me think Mortensen seems to have a dog in this fight? He's been selling the same pro-Carr stuff all along, so you have to figure people with the team are really telling him stuff they're not telling anybody else, or he's got his donkey to ride. You make the call . . .

HJam72
01-12-2006, 08:40 PM
When was the last time you saw a slant to AJ on a blitz? Anytime Peyton Manning sees a blitz, he has the ability to switch to a play to counter that, DC does, or rather, didnt, have that option. I think that a new coaching staff will bring improvement in both Carr and the line, but will it be enough?

First, it's true that Carr wasn't allowed to audible to pass plays or change them, which is stupid. Secondly, the safeties stay in and AJ is always double covered because they know they will get a pass rush and that we don't use (have?) a legitimate #2 receiver.

Tulip
01-12-2006, 08:44 PM
Anybody but me think Mortensen seems to have a dog in this fight? He's been selling the same pro-Carr stuff all along, so you have to figure people with the team are really telling him stuff they're not telling anybody else, or he's got his donkey to ride. You make the call . . .

I think it's about credibility. He thinks he knows what's going to happen, so he makes bold, strong statements about what his "sources" have told him while his co-workers and competitors are trying to make this into a more interesting horserace. When he's right about the Texans' pick (it's not exactly like he's going out on a limb about the Texans picking Reggie Bush) - he's solidified his credibility as a scoopster.

JMO.

Tulip
01-12-2006, 09:02 PM
Richard Justice is also dismissing Chris Mortensen's "definitive" scoop. He's a little more descriptive than John McClain was last week:

Memo to NFL reporters: You're being led astray, boys. That source you've got with the Texans isn't in charge. Stop listening to him.

The Texans may very well make Reggie Bush the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft. But that certain person you're listening to won't be doing the picking.

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/

blockhead83
01-12-2006, 09:13 PM
While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush. :redtowel:

Well stated, this is my stance as well. It'd suck to have to play VY twice a year....but guess what? It'd suck to play Bush twice a year too. I'm happy if we choose Young, I'm happy if we choose Bush, and I'm happy if we rob some unsuspecting team in a big trade down. Can anyone remember the last time the 1st pick in the draft had this high of a level of talent to choose from? Usually the 1st choice is unanimous for some quarterback, this year there're three players who could of easily gone number 1 in other drafts.

Napa Auto Parts
01-12-2006, 09:16 PM
The reason I think we will keep Carr is because of the similarities between him and Jake Plummer. Both are good running QBs and both can really sell that bootleg playaction pass. Sure Plummer's been more succesful at it, but I think Gary Kubiak had something do with it. I think Kubiak will like to take a shot with Carr and sort of make him our version of Jake Plummer.



That would be a sad thing if the best Carr will ever do is be a not so good version of plummer our franchise QB. i guess im selfish for wanting greatness from a QB.

HoustonFrog
01-12-2006, 09:19 PM
I think Mortensen is full of it sometimes. He was pretty sure that the Texans were buying out Jeff Fischers contract too. His sources don't know all. We have three months of this. One thing I do know is that Bush and VY are studs and I think both are good guys and quality players for this team. After workouts you can see how many teams get the urge to send a boatload of picks your way too. It is nothing but a win/win unless Charlie gets to make the picks..:)

Mr. White
01-12-2006, 09:20 PM
I surmised as much two days ago....here's the link.


http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=17107

to borrow a Vince-ism
Hey ESPN! WHO'S THE SWAMI NOW? lol

tulexan
01-12-2006, 09:23 PM
Well if it is a lie, then why did we have coaching candidates only break down Reggie Bush game film?

HoustonFrog
01-12-2006, 09:26 PM
Well if it is a lie, then why did we have coaching candidates only break down Reggie Bush game film?

Maybe they just wanted to see how a guy could break down film of a potential player, simple as that. If they see things later they can change their mind. There are months to go.

Tulip
01-12-2006, 09:28 PM
Well if it is a lie, then why did we have coaching candidates only break down Reggie Bush game film?

Casserly addressed this in his press briefing.

Also, who is lying - and about what?

Mr. White
01-12-2006, 09:31 PM
Well if it is a lie, then why did we have coaching candidates only break down Reggie Bush game film?

I still haven't seen a source yet on that rumor. If I'm wrong, I'd love to see the article for myself. Last I heard, it came from Jay Glazer....the same guy who was commentator for PRIDE Fighting Championship on FSN.

Mr. White
01-12-2006, 09:32 PM
Casserly addressed this in his press briefing.

Oh.... I stand corrected.

tulexan
01-12-2006, 09:37 PM
I just think it is funny how all of these people (Bob Glauber, Woody Paige, Jay Glazer, Chris Mortensen, Michael Smith) all say that the Texans have gone to talent evaluators around the league and all agree that Carr should be the guy next year and that they will in all likelihood pick Reggie Bush, but they are wrong because Richard Justice and John McClain say so. Talk about two people who have a dog in the fight. Face it, Vince is not coming here. We don't need a QB and we are not going to pick him.

The Preacher
01-12-2006, 09:42 PM
Yeah he said that he won't make much of an impact if we don't address the OL just like every other player on offense. I think that is a given.

It makes so much sense it's hard to believe they won't want the best o-lineman prospect in the draft. I'm sure last year they were looking ahead to this draft so they could finally build a mammoth line and hoped somehow they could patch together some resemblance of pass blocking. Well it failed miserably, cost Capers his job, and now they're going to pass on that for a new shiny playmaker? I saw some clips earlier of real time pass rushes from what looked like a QB cam. I mean Carr was literally getting swiped at before his three step drop was over. It would be essentially impossible for anybody to lead an offense with the blocking we've had and NFL defenses are so fast most people can't really understand what Carr has been through. If they think bringing in Reggie and not D'brick+picks is what is best for this team after everything they've been through, I will be a little shocked. It better be a big smokescreen.

Mr. White
01-12-2006, 09:47 PM
I just think it is funny how all of these people (Bob Glauber, Woody Paige, Jay Glazer, Chris Mortensen, Michael Smith) all say that the Texans have gone to talent evaluators around the league and all agree that Carr should be the guy next year and that they will in all likelihood pick Reggie Bush, but they are wrong because Richard Justice and John McClain say so. Talk about two people who have a dog in the fight. Face it, Vince is not coming here. We don't need a QB and we are not going to pick him.

Seems to me like it's a case of the local media saying not to believe the national media. Just depends if you want to believe the local media....

LCOOL
01-12-2006, 09:49 PM
When was the last time you saw a slant to AJ on a blitz? Anytime Peyton Manning sees a blitz, he has the ability to switch to a play to counter that, DC does, or rather, didnt, have that option. I think that a new coaching staff will bring improvement in both Carr and the line, but will it be enough?
This from the front page of the Texan's website
Casserly is well aware of the public fervor, both locally and nationally, regarding the Texans’ decision. The talk generally has centered around Bush and Young as the top-two options. While Bush was the talk of the town a few weeks ago, a large contingent of fans has had a change of heart since Young’s performance in the Rose Bowl.

“Vince Young is a local hero, a great player at Madison High School, a great player at the University of Texas and he’s certainly a terrific pro prospect,” Casserly said. “He is a very talented quarterback. He can run and he can throw. If he ends up here, then he’s certainly an outstanding pro prospect.”

I dont believe everything that Mort says, Kubiak might be saying one thing, but Uncle Charlie has look see what draft pick will have an imapct on the seats filing up in Reliant.

tulexan
01-12-2006, 09:52 PM
Seems to me like it's a case of the local media saying not to believe the national media. Just depends if you want to believe the local media....

Well the local media is unbelievably biased so I do not believe them. What does the national media have to gain by saying that David Carr is good and that the Texans will pick Reggie Bush? Nothing. What does the local media have to gain by saying that the national media is lying? Everything, because they want Vince to come here.

Tulip
01-12-2006, 10:00 PM
Well the local media is unbelievably biased so I do not believe them. What does the national media have to gain by saying that David Carr is good and that the Texans will pick Reggie Bush? Nothing. What does the local media have to gain by saying that the national media is lying? Everything, because they want Vince to come here.

First, while it's true that local media can be homers, they tend to have better local sources because they have the ability and the time to cultivate relationships with a much smaller group of people.

Second, no one said Mort was lying. Saying that some sources are weaker than others doesn't translate into calling the reporter using that source a liar.

ETA: there's a reason why Mark Berman is usually the one to break the big stories in Houston and not someone at ESPN.

Mr. White
01-12-2006, 10:04 PM
Well the local media is unbelievably biased so I do not believe them. What does the national media have to gain by saying that David Carr is good and that the Texans will pick Reggie Bush? Nothing. What does the local media have to gain by saying that the national media is lying? Everything, because they want Vince to come here.


Maybe so, but what I'm getting from McClain and Justice is that the Texans don't know if they'll take him or Bush. I agree that they're pro-VY, but they've backed off a little lately (the past couple of days.) The important thing I'm getting from these guys lately is that Casserly is on his way out.

Personally, I think I speak for more people than myself when I say I'll support any decision the front office makes. I'll support it a lot more if Reeves and Kubiak are the guys who actually make the decision.

angeltexus
01-12-2006, 10:08 PM
I just think it is funny how all of these people (Bob Glauber, Woody Paige, Jay Glazer, Chris Mortensen, Michael Smith) all say that the Texans have gone to talent evaluators around the league and all agree that Carr should be the guy next year and that they will in all likelihood pick Reggie Bush, but they are wrong because Richard Justice and John McClain say so. Talk about two people who have a dog in the fight. Face it, Vince is not coming here. We don't need a QB and we are not going to pick him.
I clearly remember talking about empty seats during the middle of the year. I would love to get a boat load of draft picks from another team, but like all sports its about the MONEY!! UT has much off it sitting in that tower who are already filling their private jets headed for Houston. We might not need another quarterback but we sure need Primetime games and National attention and only Young will have us spending big on Texan seats and merchandise. A Texan Young jersey would be easily the hottest item next year with PS3 right behind it.:drool:

HoustonFrog
01-12-2006, 10:11 PM
I know some above mentioned the O-line but I just don't see how using one of the top picks, hopefully the last one you will have this high, on an O-lineman will be worth it when you can get quality guys with the other 3 picks in the top 66. Plus if we have Kubiak, their lineman are smaller and more mobile and Denver stock piled in the later rounds. They have one first rounder that was further down and the rest are 4th and 7th rounders..one an undrafted FA rookie.

texasguy346
01-12-2006, 10:13 PM
yep, I agree. Both units are way below average, so first things first. Get the offensive team on the same page, under an offensive minded head coach, and give them a year to play together. Address the defense in 2007.

We've only got so many choices, so some areas will not be fully addressed in one off-season.

I really don't think that's a bad plan of attack. If we get a very good DC we might very well see vast improvement in our defense. Just look at what Williams was able to do with the Washington defense. They are among one of the top units in the league, and your average NFL fan couldn't name one of their starting D-Lineman. Also it's important to keep in mind that the better the offense is then the less time the defense is on the field. With Davis and, in this scenario, Bush we'd be able to hold on to the ball and run it effectively. Limiting the oponents oppurtunities to score points is one of the best defenses of all.

tulexan
01-12-2006, 10:38 PM
I clearly remember talking about empty seats during the middle of the year. I would love to get a boat load of draft picks from another team, but like all sports its about the MONEY!! UT has much off it sitting in that tower who are already filling their private jets headed for Houston. We might not need another quarterback but we sure need Primetime games and National attention and only Young will have us spending big on Texan seats and merchandise. A Texan Young jersey would be easily the hottest item next year with PS3 right behind it.:drool:

A winning team will put just as many fans in the seats as Vince Young will. Remember, Roger Clemens wasn't selling out games in the beginning and middle of the season last year when they were bad.

And Reggie Bush will be just as big, if not bigger on a national level than Vince Young.

angeltexus
01-12-2006, 10:49 PM
A winning team will put just as many fans in the seats as Vince Young will. Remember, Roger Clemens wasn't selling out games in the beginning and middle of the season last year when they were bad.

And Reggie Bush will be just as big, if not bigger on a national level than Vince Young.
Sorry but wrong again.. Us Texans just remember that look on Reggies face sitting on the sideline like a beatup fighter and his team was winning. The guy has no Heart and acts like TO. He came up short in his biggest game of his life with help from his other half Matt, so why would we want to play in a Superbowl with this Bush.:redtowel:

Hookem Horns
01-12-2006, 10:59 PM
A winning team will put just as many fans in the seats as Vince Young will. Remember, Roger Clemens wasn't selling out games in the beginning and middle of the season last year when they were bad.

And Reggie Bush will be just as big, if not bigger on a national level than Vince Young.

Well, we are not winning with Carr so I don't see the argument. A running back can only do so much. Anyone remember Corey Dillon in Cincy? Wasn't he breaking records up there but the team still sucked? The Bengals didn't turn it around until they put a leader on the field behind center, enter Carson Palmer.

pskinny
01-12-2006, 11:00 PM
Sorry but wrong again.. Us Texans just remember that look on Reggies face sitting on the sideline like a beatup fighter and his team was winning. The guy has no Heart and acts like TO. He came up short in his biggest game of his life with help from his other half Matt, so why would we want to play in a Superbowl with this Bush.:redtowel:

What? Did you just make that up?? No heart??? Like TO???? The guy already has two national titles. Because he didn't get an unprecedented third, he has no heart? Laughable.

Hookem Horns
01-12-2006, 11:02 PM
What? Did you just make that up?? No heart??? Like TO???? The guy already has two national titles. Because he didn't get an unprecedented third, he has no heart? Laughable.

One and a half titles. LSU won the BCS Championship game in 2003.

LoneStarState
01-12-2006, 11:06 PM
The more I read - the more realizations I am having. First, I am begining to think that some of the people screaming for VY are becoming a tad delusional. They are so tightly wrapped they aren't thinking straight. They aren't putting the team first - they are putting their personal preferences first. Second, these people think that a local marketing "icon" is going to win football games. Last time I checked, games weren't won from the bench or from behind a clipboard. Third, John McClain is a total hoser *****. Not one legitmate reason does he offer for his "convincing" evidence that the Texans will draft VY. Believe me - he would be the FIRST to turn on VY when things go south.

I just don't understand why these folks can't see straight that taking VY will hamper the future of this franchise more than help it. There was a good editorial in the Chronicle today where the writer said that Reggie Bush will make us better faster than it would take VY to finally get on the field. They're right. For all the crap being flung at Carr for a crappy season, these folks sure are quick to give VY a pass and say that three or more bad seasons won't matter because Vince the Saviour is riding the pine! It matters to me - as a season ticket holder and a true Texan fan - I want to win NOW with the best players (that's plural - it takes more than one player to make a team).

One thing everyone needs to realize. WINNING GAMES WILL PUT FANS IN THE SEATS!!! That is done sooner by putting the best players available on the field - the players that can have an impact now - not in 2007, 2008, or on and on. Foxsports hits it here: "The first pick is not for taking gambles. Vince Young, at this stage of his development, is a gamble. The upside is there, and it is tremendous, but so is the risk that the Texans would be right back here five years from now — watching the David Carr-led Raiders challenge the Reggie Bush-led Saints in Super Bowl XLV while trying to decide whom they should take with the top pick to replace Vince Young."

My :twocents:

LoneStarState
01-12-2006, 11:08 PM
One and a half titles. LSU won the BCS Championship game in 2003.
I'm sure you wouldn't be so quick to call it a "half title" if Texas had won half a Championship. And besides, that's "half" a championship more than VY has...

TexanBacker93
01-12-2006, 11:10 PM
Young will put the fans in the seats this year. So will Bush. Putting together a winning team will put fans in the seats for years. The Texans won't pick a player just to put fans in the seats. The Longhorn boosters mean nothing to the Texans. Those guys sit in the luxury boxes. It's the fans in the stands that they want to come back. A winning team is the only way to get them here for good.

LoneStarState
01-12-2006, 11:14 PM
A winning team is the only way to get them here for good.
THANK YOU!!!

keyfro
01-12-2006, 11:18 PM
i think the major thing to keep in mind is that do you really think it's smart to start over at the QB position every 4 years? no no no...is VY great yes...can carr be great yes...does reggie bush make this team better yes...honestly it doesn't matter what chris mortensen says or what john mcclain says...or richard justice for that matter...only thing is for certain...no one knows who we are going to pick right now...otherwise casserly would have already had contract talks with them

GP
01-12-2006, 11:23 PM
One thing nobody can deny is that we treat our draft picks very well.

Carr practically had his contract ready to sign on draft day.

DD got his payday for doing such a good job.

You just see a franchise that might not be winning right now, but that is sure enough turning heads around the league in terms of how we take care of them.

Why do you think Bush is publicly stating that he wouldn't mind playing for us?

I mean, everybody gets paid...but would you rather get paid to play in Houston or in New Orleans?

Bob McNair might not have delivered us a winning team thus far, but he sure has laid the foundation for this team that will get people's attention and make them want to come here to try and help us win.

He's making this team into a K.C. Chiefs kinda' team where things are run right, and talent wants to come here.

TexanBacker93
01-12-2006, 11:30 PM
The trick is going to be getting good players to come here.

LoneStarState
01-12-2006, 11:35 PM
The Front Office being loyal to the players (i.e., making honest attempts to get better players and maybe an OFFENSIVE LINE) matters a lot. If players know that the organization wants to win and take care of its players, they'll want to be here. If they think they will be drafted or brought in to get beaten up every Sunday with no chance to win - there's no way they'll want to be here. BUT - Bob McNair knows how to treat people and he wants to make sure that his players and staff have the tools and support to succeed.

Wordem
01-12-2006, 11:37 PM
A winning team will put just as many fans in the seats as Vince Young will.

But the minute they screw up or if VY is successful with another team before the Texans, this franchise will be doomed forever in Houston.

LoneStarState
01-12-2006, 11:40 PM
But the minute they screw up or if VY is successful with another team before the Texans, this franchise will be doomed forever in Houston.
The minute VY screws up or has had a seaon like Carr did in 2005 (I know - that's unimaginable to all VY fans) - he'll be booed. All NFL teams face that possibility every year. A player they pass on turns into a hall of famer - that's the nature of the league. To say they'll be doomed forever is a little extreme. We will survive without VY - I guarantee it...

tulexan
01-12-2006, 11:45 PM
The minute VY screws up or has had a seaon like Carr did in 2005 (I know - that's unimaginable to all VY fans) - he'll be booed. All NFL teams face that possibility every year. A player they pass on turns into a hall of famer - that's the nature of the league. To say they'll be doomed forever is a little extreme. We will survive without VY - I guarantee it...

We're 30 teams doomed forever because they failed to pick Tom Brady when they had 5 chances to do so?

The draft is a crap shoot. You win some and you lose some. No GM has ever hit on every single pick he has had.

Wordem
01-12-2006, 11:48 PM
We will survive without VY - I guarantee it...

Perhaps, but it will always be as a loser franchise who chose to alienate rather than embrace fans. As an ex-Oiler fan and hater of Bud Adams, I would have no problem cheering FOR the Titans/Oilers and AGAINST the Texans should VY lead the visiting team into Reliant every year. There are plenty of other people who grew up Oilers fans who feel the same way. The Texans haven't been around long enough to garner the loyalty of Luv Ya Blue era Houstonians. Vince grew up in Houston, as did I. The Texans did not. It's as simple as that.

Bobo
01-12-2006, 11:48 PM
Yeah he said that he won't make much of an impact if we don't address the OL just like every other player on offense. I think that is a given.

Amen to that, brother!! :redtowel:

Bobo
01-12-2006, 11:49 PM
Perhaps, but it will always be as a loser franchise who chose to alienate rather than embrace fans. As an ex-Oiler fan and hater of Bud Adams, I would have no problem cheering FOR the Titans/Oilers and AGAINST the Texans should VY lead the visiting team into Reliant every year. There are plenty of other people who grew up Oilers fans who feel the same way. The Texans haven't been around long enough to garner the loyalty of Luv Ya Blue era Houstonians. Vince grew up in Houston, as did I. The Texans did not. It's as simple as that.

The Oilers are in Tennessee. It's as simple as that.

TexanBacker93
01-12-2006, 11:51 PM
But the minute they screw up or if VY is successful with another team before the Texans, this franchise will be doomed forever in Houston.


So you are saying that if the Texans draft Bush, make modest improvements this season, get into the playoffs the following season, win the Super Bowl the following season, and then go 8-8 and miss the 2009 playoffs they'll be doomed because Young has led the Saints to their 3rd consecutive 9-7 season while compiling Pro Bowl stats? True Texans fans won't care what happens with Young or Bush if they don't draft them as long as the team wins. If they have an off year it doesn't mean the franchise is doomed.

Wordem
01-12-2006, 11:51 PM
The Oilers are in Tennessee. It's as simple as that.

Reaction in Houston thus far proves my point. This is a business. VY is good business, especially in Texas, particularly Houston.

Wordem
01-12-2006, 11:53 PM
So you are saying that if the Texans draft Bush, make modest improvements this season, get into the playoffs the following season, win the Super Bowl the following season, and then go 8-8 and miss the 2009 playoffs they'll be doomed because Young has led the Saints to their 3rd consecutive 9-7 season while compiling Pro Bowl stats? True Texans fans won't care what happens with Young or Bush if they don't draft them as long as the team wins. If they have an off year it doesn't mean the franchise is doomed.

If you think they're winning the Super Bowl in three years, you're loco ese.

tulexan
01-12-2006, 11:53 PM
Perhaps, but it will always be as a loser franchise who chose to alienate rather than embrace fans. As an ex-Oiler fan and hater of Bud Adams, I would have no problem cheering FOR the Titans/Oilers and AGAINST the Texans should VY lead the visiting team into Reliant every year. There are plenty of other people who grew up Oilers fans who feel the same way. The Texans haven't been around long enough to garner the loyalty of Luv Ya Blue era Houstonians. Vince grew up in Houston, as did I. The Texans did not. It's as simple as that.


Or maybe they will be doing what is in the best interest of the team and not a portion of the fans.

TexanBacker93
01-12-2006, 11:56 PM
Young, if drafted by the Texans won't even start in 2006. They'd be foolish to send another rookie QB onto the field. It will either be Banks or another vet for a year. Yeah, I can see everyone flocking to watch VY hold a clipboard. Good business is looking out for the long term success, not going with the flavor of the month. VY is great. He will be a great QB, but you don't rest the success of your franchise on filling seats because the kid is local. If the Longhorn fans don't want to come to Reliant to root for the Texans because they pass on Young I am sure there will be 100 people ready to take each seat.

TexanBacker93
01-12-2006, 11:57 PM
If you think they're winning the Super Bowl in three years, you're loco ese.

The Cowboys went from 1-15 to a Super Bowl win in 3 years. It is possible in today's parity filled NFL. I don't think it will happen, but it isn't as far fetched as your VY colored glasses think.

dirty steve
01-12-2006, 11:58 PM
Sorry but wrong again.. Us Texans just remember that look on Reggies face sitting on the sideline like a beatup fighter and his team was winning. The guy has no Heart and acts like TO. He came up short in his biggest game of his life with help from his other half Matt, so why would we want to play in a Superbowl with this Bush.:redtowel:

how can you say that? have you ever thought that there is a head coach and an offensive coordinator for a reason? they call the plays, and they decide which players are in there in certain situations. the only reason you are saying bush has no heart is that you are in VY's pants right now.

take an unbiased (i.e.: stop letting the burnt orange blind you) view at the situation and make an assessment from there.

Wordem
01-12-2006, 11:58 PM
Or maybe they will be doing what is in the best interest of the team and not a portion of the fans.

Well, I'm of the opinion VY is better than a glorified scat back. So it's win-win.

tulexan
01-13-2006, 12:01 AM
The Cowboys went from 1-15 to a Super Bowl win in 3 years. It is possible in today's parity filled NFL. I don't think it will happen, but it isn't as far fetched as your VY colored glasses think.

Carolina went from 1-15 in 2001 to 11-5 and in the Super Bowl in 2003.

dirty steve
01-13-2006, 12:01 AM
Well, I'm of the opinion VY is better than a glorified scat back. So it's win-win.

that's comforting because i am sure your name is either Bob McNair, Dan Reeves, Charley Casserly, or (soon to be ) HC Gary Kubiak. i guess they'll confer their opinion with you and then let you make the call to NYC with the pick. if you get lucky, they might let you announce the pick.

Wordem
01-13-2006, 12:02 AM
if you get lucky, they might let you announce the pick.

That would be allsome.

Nighthawk
01-13-2006, 12:17 AM
A winning team is the only way to get them here for good.

Nobody disagrees with this. Some believe that Vince Young is the fastest & best way to a long term winner. Even if they believe Bush would be helpful quicker, the idea is that the help Bush will provide will be insufficient, with Carr at the helm, to achieve the long term goal.

Nighthawk
01-13-2006, 12:23 AM
Young, if drafted by the Texans won't even start in 2006. They'd be foolish to send another rookie QB onto the field. It will either be Banks or another vet for a year. Yeah, I can see everyone flocking to watch VY hold a clipboard. Good business is looking out for the long term success, not going with the flavor of the month. VY is great. He will be a great QB, but you don't rest the success of your franchise on filling seats because the kid is local. If the Longhorn fans don't want to come to Reliant to root for the Texans because they pass on Young I am sure there will be 100 people ready to take each seat.

If Young is drafted he will play in 2006. Maybe not all the time, maybe not starting, but he will be on the field.

Hey--this isn't about Longhorn fans. It's about the Texans and the BPA in the draft. Why don't all you anti-VY guys get a clue and argue your case on the merits?

What makes you think Bush will tear up the NFL in 06? It's silly. He's a small and not all that fast by NFL standards and he jukes around a lot. When there are 6 NFL guys after him all that juking is going to get him thrown down faster than you can imagine. Sometimes I wonder if you guys watch the game at all.

Mr. White
01-13-2006, 12:27 AM
I heard Reggie Bush today on the Dan Patrick show. He said that he thinks he's faster and stronger than LT in SD, but compared his play to Bryant Westbrook with the Eagles. The host (Patrick's fill-in) told him he should aim a little higher than Westbrook. Not hating, just sharing.

tulexan
01-13-2006, 12:30 AM
If he is stronger and faster than LT then we are going to have a hell of a back on our team.

stevo3883
01-13-2006, 12:36 AM
VY wore the baby blue oiler uni at madison


it was meant to be.....


LOL. my team = brand new equipment
Madison= old worn out crap

final score Madison -65
Westside- 0

Hookem Horns
01-13-2006, 12:39 AM
Nobody disagrees with this. Some believe that Vince Young is the fastest & best way to a long term winner. Even if they believe Bush would be helpful quicker, the idea is that the help Bush will provide will be insufficient, with Carr at the helm, to achieve the long term goal.

EXACTLY. It's about the long term winning. Yes, with Carr and Bush we might go 6-10 next season and win faster if you consider 6-10 winning. However we might only go 7-9 the following season when we realize we are never going to win with Carr. Then guess what? Gee, we need a franchise QB. Oh, you mean we have to wait another 10 years?

The bottom line is, great QB's don't come along that often and when they do how many teams are in a position to draft them? How many great QB's did the Oilers ever have in their 30+ years being in Houston? Let's see...

George Blanda, Warren Moon, and Steve McNair. I count 3. I loved Cody Carlson also but you can't count him.

You know what I think we have in David Carr? Another Dan Pastorini. A guy drafted high that never lived up to his squat but managed to stick around for a long time. And sorry folks, Bush will not carry this team like Campbell did with the Oilers. Even if he did he wouldn't last very long.

texplayer2
01-13-2006, 12:57 AM
Perhaps, but it will always be as a loser franchise who chose to alienate rather than embrace fans. As an ex-Oiler fan and hater of Bud Adams, I would have no problem cheering FOR the Titans/Oilers and AGAINST the Texans should VY lead the visiting team into Reliant every year. There are plenty of other people who grew up Oilers fans who feel the same way. The Texans haven't been around long enough to garner the loyalty of Luv Ya Blue era Houstonians. Vince grew up in Houston, as did I. The Texans did not. It's as simple as that.

I grew up in Houston, and watched the Oilers and now the Texans are my team, as long as they are trying to win and not just supporting UT'ism. Trying to enforce your will on a Billionaire is quite comical. The only way to do that is get them to move and I have already seen how effective that was in making this a championship city. If McNair and CO. are conVINCEd that Young hung the moon and will win alot. I will be there to watch and give my opinion, if they think Reggie is the answer I will agree with them and still watch and critique. And if we were to trade down for a boatload of players, then...I will still be there rooting for and following each one. This is a game and it is much more fun when you are winning, but you also need to learn how to lose and get right back up.

michaelm
01-13-2006, 01:38 AM
Sorry but wrong again.. Us Texans just remember that look on Reggies face sitting on the sideline like a beatup fighter and his team was winning. The guy has no Heart and acts like TO. He came up short in his biggest game of his life with help from his other half Matt, so why would we want to play in a Superbowl with this Bush.:redtowel:

The title of your post was 'Remember that look?"
At first I thought you were reffering to the same look VY had during tha A&M game. The guys calling the game were making comments about VY's attitude on the bench...
I'm not against VY by any means, but it is worth saying that he had an almost identical reaction during a game when he was having a rough day...

michaelm
01-13-2006, 01:45 AM
That would be allsome.


Might be... if 'allsome' was a word in the English language...:redtowel:

AustinJB
01-13-2006, 01:48 AM
Might be... if 'allsome' was a word in the English language...:redtowel:

LMAO:yahoo:

mancunian
01-13-2006, 04:49 AM
If we dont do anything about the Defence in the draft there could be some high scoring games next year.....

J-Storm
01-13-2006, 05:23 AM
If McNair and CO. are conVINCEd that Young hung the moon and will win alot, I will be there to watch and give my opinion, if they think Reggie is the answer I will agree with them and still watch and critique. And if we were to trade down for a boatload of players, then...I will still be there rooting for and following each one. This is a game and it is much more fun when you are winning, but you also need to learn how to lose and get right back up.

I totally agree. It doesnt matter if Mortensen or whoever knows whatever they know atm. It's what the FO knows they want to do that I'm worried about. I'm not on the Bush bandwagon or the Young bandwagon (never was). I was always more in favour of the Trade Down bandwagon (still am). But I'll live with any of those 3 options or whatever options the FO chooses as long as it brings more "W's" than "L's"!

aj.
01-13-2006, 06:23 AM
While I still think Vince is the best option, it isn't like Bush is a can of worms. I will be happiest if we take VY, but I was pretty pumped about Bush all year, and still am. This guy gives me the chills just thinking about getting him the ball in space. It's going to require a HC and an OC with some really creative formations and plays to make that happen, but we needed a game changer and he will be one. If Kubiak can make Mike Anderson a 1000 yard rusher, what can he do with DD and Bush? I refuse to be one of these fair weather fans. Let's rally round Bush. :redtowel:

I agree with the general sentiment, but it's also going to take David Carr to step up his game another level or three. My fear with DC is that "it's" not all due to coaching and scheme, or lack of talent around him. I guess we will just have to wait and see. [but I guess the coaching experts just told me to relax and it will be all right, huh?]

If Kubiak and Shanahan can make Mike Anderson (and Ruben Droughns) 1000+ yard rushers, and Terrell Davis (a 6th rounder) a 2000 yard rusher, then why do we need a RB with the first pick overall?

(I know, because he's a potential gamebreaker -- it was a rhetorical question).

Kaiser Toro
01-13-2006, 07:56 AM
[QUOTE=aj.]I agree with the general sentiment, but it's also going to take David Carr to step up his game another level or three. My fear with DC is that "it's" not all due to coaching and scheme, or lack of talent around him. I guess we will just have to wait and see. [but I guess the coaching experts just told me to relax and it will be all right, huh?]QUOTE]

Yes if we can just get him a new staff, a new line, a new RB, a TE, a 2nd WR, a better defense and a three year extension then Carr will show us that he is a top 10 QB. Might as well give him the key to the city. I have never seen someone do so little to deserve so much in the world of sports.

BigBull17
01-13-2006, 08:00 AM
If we dont do anything about the Defence in the draft there could be some high scoring games next year.....

You may need a brace to prevent whiplash.

HoustonFrog
01-13-2006, 08:05 AM
There is no guarantee with any of this and people need to stop putting down the kids and just evaluate. Bush is a good guy from the interviews I have seen and the things I have read. He sat on the sidelines dejected because they were about to lose. VY is a good kid. Stop hatin on them all when it is the hype you hate. There is going to be some good points on both sides. I've been all for taking Bush but there is a fear that he turns into a Metcalf, Westbrook, etc and not a Faulk, LT, etc. You will never know until he puts on the pads. On the other side, there is no logic behind saying we are starting over with VY. There is no rule that states that a guy can't be good within 2 years. Not every QB needs 4 years and a boatload of excuses. It isn't like we are making the playoffs next year so the main goal is to get the system in and improve.

Grid
01-13-2006, 08:06 AM
Yes if we can just get him a new staff, a new line, a new RB, a TE, a 2nd WR, a better defense and a three year extension then Carr will show us that he is a top 10 QB. Might as well give him the key to the city. I have never seen someone do so little to deserve so much in the world of sports.

yes.. a true playmaker..a true LEADER.. would do it by himself. Vince Young could do it.

honestly.. are you saying that our team is fine as it is and Carr is responsible for all of our losses?

Kaiser Toro
01-13-2006, 09:55 AM
yes.. a true playmaker..a true LEADER.. would do it by himself. Vince Young could do it.

honestly.. are you saying that our team is fine as it is and Carr is responsible for all of our losses?

I have never said or implied that. It has always been the value propostion around what we are paying him. I have no problem spending the money on resources that will help him achieve his potential, but then if one person needs that much help we need to look at the highest paid player and think about if we are spending our money in the right places.

BigWig
01-13-2006, 10:12 AM
Chris Mortensen was just on ESPN

Said that Carr has been under intense scrutiny and review over the past four or five weeks by talent evaluators across the league.

All have said that Carr is the best option for the team and just needs more coaching and better protection.

Mortensen just talked with Kubiak and Gary has said that he really likes David Carr.

Mort said that barring some big trade down. Bush will be the guy despite all of the clamoring by the fans.


Nothing new, but I thought I would let people know.

Face it were are doomed for failure as long as Cass is in the house!
We have been the laughing stock for the media this year and we will be next year also after the draft too!

TEXANRED
01-13-2006, 10:37 AM
Am I the only one who is excited about the Bush, DD backfield combo. Both explosive runners that can catch out of the backfield with AJ and maybe even picking a good #2(Reggie Wayne?). That would be a pretty good offense. Maybe we could even, I know I am wishing, beat the Colts. It is shamefull to be 0-8 againt that team.

Chance_C
01-13-2006, 10:41 AM
Perhaps, but it will always be as a loser franchise who chose to alienate rather than embrace fans. As an ex-Oiler fan and hater of Bud Adams, I would have no problem cheering FOR the Titans/Oilers and AGAINST the Texans should VY lead the visiting team into Reliant every year. There are plenty of other people who grew up Oilers fans who feel the same way. The Texans haven't been around long enough to garner the loyalty of Luv Ya Blue era Houstonians. Vince grew up in Houston, as did I. The Texans did not. It's as simple as that.


So you are a Vince Young fan, not a Texan fan? So if he is drafted by the Saints are you gonna root for the Saints? And BTW, I grew up an Oiler fan (albeit as a kid) and I wouldn't dream of rooting for anyone but the Texans. Kinda like when Bum and Earl went to New Orleans. It sucked but I didn't start rooting for the Saints. They did become my "fill in" team for awhile though.

stevo3883
01-13-2006, 10:52 AM
If Kubiak and Shanahan can make Mike Anderson (and Ruben Droughns) 1000+ yard rushers, and Terrell Davis (a 6th rounder) a 2000 yard rusher, then why do we need a RB with the first pick overall?



well Droughns ran for 1300 in Cleveland this year, so I don't think it was all scheme with him.

And Portis is a 1400yd back in Washington.

maybe it isnt ALL scheme like its made out to be, they actually have some talented players.

Tatum Bell is a freakin speedster with great moves.

bigTEXan8
01-13-2006, 10:58 AM
So you are a Vince Young fan, not a Texan fan? So if he is drafted by the Saints are you gonna root for the Saints? And BTW, I grew up an Oiler fan (albeit as a kid) and I wouldn't dream of rooting for anyone but the Texans. Kinda like when Bum and Earl went to New Orleans. It sucked but I didn't start rooting for the Saints. They did become my "fill in" team for awhile though.

I guess you can only be a fan with the following criteria:

1. They draft exactly who you want and no one else.
2. They post a perfect record every year, and win the SB.
3. You are right, and they are always wrong.

I couldn't imagine what it would be like to lose a hometown pro-team, in the manner in which it happened to Houston. It would be hard for me though to respect any team for doing so.

Double Barrel
01-13-2006, 11:40 AM
Am I the only one who is excited about the Bush, DD backfield combo. Both explosive runners that can catch out of the backfield with AJ and maybe even picking a good #2(Reggie Wayne?). That would be a pretty good offense. Maybe we could even, I know I am wishing, beat the Colts. It is shamefull to be 0-8 againt that team.

Nope, I'm stoked, too! Bush will be a player that we can utilize in many different ways, from the backfield to lining up in the slot. With an offensive minded HC like Kubiak, he'll take advantage of matchups and force teams to leave at least one of our playmakers in man coverage. Give Carr longer than a split second in the pocket, and he might have enough time to hit one of these guys.

I see great things happening in our future. I have no problem being excited about the 2006 season, even though we've got so many issues still to resolve.

bigTEXan8
01-13-2006, 11:50 AM
Nope, I'm stoked, too! Bush will be a player that we can utilize in many different ways, from the backfield to lining up in the slot. With an offensive minded HC like Kubiak, he'll take advantage of matchups and force teams to leave at least one of our playmakers in man coverage. Give Carr longer than a split second in the pocket, and he might have enough time to hit one of these guys.

I see great things happening in our future. I have no problem being excited about the 2006 season, even though we've got so many issues still to resolve.

I like Bush, but I would still prefer a trade down and get D'Brick, along with some extra picks. But a Bush/DD back-field but would be pretty sweet.

J-Man
01-13-2006, 12:29 PM
[QUOTE=aj.]I agree with the general sentiment, but it's also going to take David Carr to step up his game another level or three. My fear with DC is that "it's" not all due to coaching and scheme, or lack of talent around him. I guess we will just have to wait and see. QUOTE]

[B]Yes if we can just get him a new staff, a new line, a new RB, a TE, a 2nd WR, a better defense and a three year extension then Carr will show us that he is a top 10 QB. Might as well give him the key to the city. I have never seen someone do so little to deserve so much in the world of sports.

Just remember...Vince Young needs that type of team overhaul to. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Carr really hasn't been supported well the last 4yrs. If we don't want to do serious damage to Young like we did to Carr then those areas need to be addressed.

Kaiser Toro
01-13-2006, 12:44 PM
[QUOTE=Kaiser Toro]

Just remember...Vince Young needs that type of team overhaul to. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Carr really hasn't been supported well the last 4yrs. If we don't want to do serious damage to Young like we did to Carr then those areas need to be addressed.

There is no way to qualify that. Chemistry is a big piece of the puzzle. We have been able to control the Carr variable once, when he was injured, and it yielded 3 wins out of 4 games.

I am not a draft VY guy, but we need to keep our Texans history in perspective.

Double Barrel
01-13-2006, 12:54 PM
I like Bush, but I would still prefer a trade down and get D'Brick, along with some extra picks. But a Bush/DD back-field but would be pretty sweet.

I'd be stoked about this move, too. :thumbup

Either way, we are adding quality players to our roster, which is always a good thing. With good coaching, all of these different draft scenarios will result in wins, simply because we're upgrading positions and utilizing them in a successful scheme.

bigTEXan8
01-13-2006, 01:00 PM
I'd be stoked about this move, too. :thumbup

Either way, we are adding quality players to our roster, which is always a good thing. With good coaching, all of these different draft scenarios will result in wins, simply because we're upgrading positions and utilizing them in a successful scheme.
That's true. I think we are a good coach away from really turning this around. I know I sound crazy optomistic, but I know we'll turn this around quick. But it's hard for me to believe that we went from a promising 7-9 to an abismal 2-14. This season to me seemed like a really jacked up nightmare.

chall8
01-13-2006, 04:21 PM
I'm a proponent of getting Young, but if this is true then it will at least be interesting to see if Carr can develop further.

I think the OL is just an easy target for the media. As another poster noted, they see the sacks and make their conclusion. No doubt the OL needs work, but the run blocking has been decent.

That being said, I don't think Bush is the answer to our woes. I'd much rather trade the pick than take a running back #1. I think our RB corp is more than adequate. Would rather see us bulk up the defense, the OL, and grab a pass-catching TE. Then give Carr some coaching and see what happens.