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LCOOL
01-12-2006, 01:12 PM
There has been so much talk about how Reggie Bush or VY could fit into the Texans Scheme, what do you think about Chris Simms, here is a quote from ESPN insider: By leading the Buccaneers to a division title, QB Chris Simms has raised his stock enormously. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that at least four teams, including the Lions, Jets and Dolphins, are interested in Simms, who began the season as the backup to Brian Griese.
Simms is a restricted free agent who would require draft pick compensation for any team signing him if the Bucs don't get a long-term deal done with the lefty.

HoustonFrog
01-12-2006, 01:16 PM
There has been so much talk about how Reggie Bush or VY could fit into the Texans Scheme, what do you think about Chris Simms, here is a quote from ESPN insider: By leading the Buccaneers to a division title, QB Chris Simms has raised his stock enormously. ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that at least four teams, including the Lions, Jets and Dolphins, are interested in Simms, who began the season as the backup to Brian Griese.
Simms is a restricted free agent who would require draft pick compensation for any team signing him if the Bucs don't get a long-term deal done with the lefty.

NO!I don't care what he did this year, he still does nothing for me and would just cause headaches for all Texan fans.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 01:18 PM
I wish the best for Simms and have been a proponent of his before he entered high school. But I do not want to see him in a Texans uniform.

Chance_C
01-12-2006, 01:20 PM
Yeah sure he would be a good fit. So would VY. But we have someone already fitting in where they would. Let's try to fit someone into that oline. That TE spot. That 2nd wide receiver spot. Let's stick with our 3rd round pick out of Louisville for our backup. Let's see if we can get anything out of that pick one day. Let's get us another CB, a safety, some linebackers. We're probably gonna switch to a 4-3 so I guess we need some more d lineman. Man, all these needs, and everyone wants a QB and a RB.

D-ReK
01-12-2006, 01:21 PM
He went to UT, of course he'd be a good fit!

Mr. White
01-12-2006, 01:23 PM
For his own sake, I think he should stay with Chucky Gruden a little while longer.

TheOgre
01-12-2006, 01:28 PM
I'm still amazed at home my fellow Longhorn fans hate Chris Simms. I wish him the best wherever he goes.

jerek
01-12-2006, 01:28 PM
At the risk of being really, really redundant ... Simms led them to the playoffs, sure, and laid a big fat egg.

I contend that the Bucs made the playoffs in spite of Simms, or maybe "utilizing" Simms ... not because of Simms.

Sure, say something like "I wish David Carr could be so bad as to lead his team to the playoffs" ... but I don't think Simms has shown us anything yet.

Simms has been a big-game choke artist since day one, which, to VY's credit ... I do not think there is a tremendous difference between VY's Longhorns and Chris Simms' Longhorns; both played for similarly loaded teams. Difference being, Vince Young didn't choke, he stepped up.

(Though I would liked to see Vince go up against a real Sooners squad. I am not saying he would have lost, only that it would have been a great game. Sad how that team fell off this year.)

Any way, I digress. No to Simms, he hasn't proven anything yet.

Hookem Horns
01-12-2006, 01:30 PM
The real question should be ... Would you take Dave Ragone over Simms? Our "brilliant" GM did.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 01:31 PM
At the risk of being really, really redundant ... Simms led them to the playoffs, sure, and laid a big fat egg.

I contend that the Bucs made the playoffs in spite of Simms, or maybe "utilizing" Simms ... not because of Simms.

Sure, say something like "I wish David Carr could be so bad as to lead his team to the playoffs" ... but I don't think Simms has shown us anything yet.

Simms has been a big-game choke artist since day one, which, to VY's credit ... I do not think there is a tremendous difference between VY's Longhorns and Chris Simms' Longhorns; both played for similarly loaded teams. Difference being, Vince Young didn't choke, he stepped up.

(Though I would liked to see Vince go up against a real Sooners squad. I am not saying he would have lost, only that it would have been a great game. Sad how that team fell off this year.)

Any way, I digress. No to Simms, he hasn't proven anything yet.


It is this type of venom that is spewed that I do not understand. You would swear he is the son of Bill and Hilary Clinton the way that kid is slandered.

jerek
01-12-2006, 01:35 PM
It is this type of venom that is spewed that I do not understand. You would swear he is the son of Bill and Hilary Clinton the way that kid is slandered.

All I remember of Simms' career was that he put up modest to good stats, year after year for UT, and then against OU, would go something like 0 TDs/4 INTs.

I passionately dislike the Sooners. Simms was my hope for beating them, and year after year, UT did not get it done. Year after year, the kid was a turnover factory.

I know that I am generalizing and oversimplifying his career with that sort of analysis, but honestly, to me, Simms is just another good college QB who hasn't made an impression on me at the pro level. He didn't step up in the wild card game, and prior to that, he has one pretty good regular season to his credit. If his stock is as high as it is being suggested, then he will command close to what Carr will as a free agent.

Make more sense now?

LCOOL
01-12-2006, 01:39 PM
Yeah sure he would be a good fit. So would VY. But we have someone already fitting in where they would. Let's try to fit someone into that oline. That TE spot. That 2nd wide receiver spot. Let's stick with our 3rd round pick out of Louisville for our backup. Let's see if we can get anything out of that pick one day. Let's get us another CB, a safety, some linebackers. We're probably gonna switch to a 4-3 so I guess we need some more d lineman. Man, all these needs, and everyone wants a QB and a RB.
I agree with you that are a lot needs that need to get met, and QB is one of them, so many people have been talking VY, but they all forgot there is a longhorn that is already in the NFL that will become a Unrestricted free agent and his name is Chris Simms. The QB issue is only the begining, why hasn't Charlie Casserly address issues like TE, OL , DL etc. dont be suprised if unlce Charlie trades down the no.1 pick for some draft choice that will not make any difference, I just for the Texans sake hope they sack Cassrely and get a real GM that can draft.

tulexan
01-12-2006, 01:39 PM
If the Texans had the defense that the Bucs have we would be in the playoffs.

bdiddy
01-12-2006, 01:41 PM
Better yet lets get Major Applewhite out of his deal with Rice, he has the "it" factor just like VY.

HoustonFrog
01-12-2006, 01:43 PM
Maybe we could be playing the Broncos and he could have flashbacks to the Colorado Big XII game start throwing picks and fumbling and then we could call Major Applewhite in, since he is Rice's new O-ccordinator, to bail him out.

I'm not a UT guy hatin. Just a Simms watcher.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 01:46 PM
All I remember of Simms' career was that he put up modest to good stats, year after year for UT, and then against OU, would go something like 0 TDs/4 INTs.

I passionately dislike the Sooners. Simms was my hope for beating them, and year after year, UT did not get it done. Year after year, the kid was a turnover factory.

I know that I am generalizing and oversimplifying his career with that sort of analysis, but honestly, to me, Simms is just another good college QB who hasn't made an impression on me at the pro level. He didn't step up in the wild card game, and prior to that, he has one pretty good regular season to his credit. If his stock is as high as it is being suggested, then he will command close to what Carr will as a free agent.

Make more sense now?

If you want to talk about his value as an NFL free agent I welcome the conversation. But the hyperbole due to past transgressions as a collegiate player and how they shape the here and now is nothing more than emotion blinding judgement.

As I have said I do not want to see Simms in a Texans uniform. But one could argue who got more value out of the QB position the last three years - Bucs vs. Texans.

TheOgre
01-12-2006, 01:50 PM
At the risk of being really, really redundant ... Simms led them to the playoffs, sure, and laid a big fat egg.

I contend that the Bucs made the playoffs in spite of Simms, or maybe "utilizing" Simms ... not because of Simms.

Sure, say something like "I wish David Carr could be so bad as to lead his team to the playoffs" ... but I don't think Simms has shown us anything yet.

Simms has been a big-game choke artist since day one, which, to VY's credit ... I do not think there is a tremendous difference between VY's Longhorns and Chris Simms' Longhorns; both played for similarly loaded teams. Difference being, Vince Young didn't choke, he stepped up.

(Though I would liked to see Vince go up against a real Sooners squad. I am not saying he would have lost, only that it would have been a great game. Sad how that team fell off this year.)

Any way, I digress. No to Simms, he hasn't proven anything yet.

The only game at Texas that I truly blame Simms for was the Big 12 Championship against Colorado. That game is all on him. He didn't drop those 3 deep passes at the end of the Oregon game in the Holiday Bowl. I blame Greg Davis for some horrible offensive game plans and play calls (can we have a 1 yard flat pass ONE MORE TIME please?). He started to do the same thing to Young too. Young spoke up and they changed their philosophy at midseason last year (2004). Greg Davis nearly ruined Young too.

That past weekend, Simms was efficient with his passing (25/38, 65.8%). He threw one pass that was bad, but his other INT was a result of a D-lineman batting it. He threw a perfect pass in the 4th quarter that looked like a game tying TD against the Redskins (does anyone here understand why that pass to Sheppard wasn't considered a TD catch?). He had a few dropped balls too. Right now Galloway is his only deep threat.

The Skins took that away and Gruden fell for the trap. I don't know how many times they called a short pass on 3rd down that resulted in a 4th and 2-3 situation. Doesn't anyone actually try to PASS for a first down any more(instead of trying to get it with YAC)? It looked like something straight out of Herm Edward's playbook.

I'm really tired of fellow Longhorns immortalizing Applewhite and villianizing Simms. Applewhite had plenty of horrible games (I still feel the pain of the '99 Big 12 Championship and every game he started against KSU). Both had their moments and their struggles. It is just amazing to me how easily fans can be swayed by popular opinion.

Chance_C
01-12-2006, 01:54 PM
I agree with you that are a lot needs that need to get met, and QB is one of them Yeah there definately are. But to me (at this point), QB is not a glaring need. If I were grading DC I would give him an incomplete. He has some strenghts, and he has some weaknesses. Who doesn't? I want to give him a chance with our future staff (crossing fingers for Kubiak and co.). I think he can succeed at this level as a Houston Texan. Never would I say that I don't want Vince Young on our team, but now is not the time.

Texans Horror
01-12-2006, 01:57 PM
All I remember of Simms' career was that he put up modest to good stats, year after year for UT, and then against OU, would go something like 0 TDs/4 INTs.

I passionately dislike the Sooners. Simms was my hope for beating them, and year after year, UT did not get it done. Year after year, the kid was a turnover factory.

I know that I am generalizing and oversimplifying his career with that sort of analysis, but honestly, to me, Simms is just another good college QB who hasn't made an impression on me at the pro level. He didn't step up in the wild card game, and prior to that, he has one pretty good regular season to his credit. If his stock is as high as it is being suggested, then he will command close to what Carr will as a free agent.

Make more sense now?

The Tampa Bay message boards have had a lot of traffic over Griese/Simms, and they have similar pro/con arguements as to what we are seeing here, so I won't go over it. But for TB, it seems to be almost as big a debate as Young/Bush is on these boards.

I, too, think that Simms laid an egg. There are a lot of people who disagree. He didn't throw outright interceptions is the point I am hearing being made. His balls were tipped. He was just a little unlucky. However, I go back to his UT days where he was not a clutch QB, not a come-from-behind QB, but a lost-the-big-game QB. According to what I am hearing from Bucs fans, he has performed well, though, and he has had several come-from-behind victories, including Washington and Atlanta. Looking at the stats, I think he is playing much better. I think that Tampa Bay will keep him and that he will work better the older he gets.

And I think Carr is a better QB than Simms; there's no reason to take him.

Doom Capers
01-12-2006, 02:14 PM
Chris Simms over David Carr is like Treat over Spam.

Texans86
01-12-2006, 02:30 PM
Maybe we could be playing the Broncos and he could have flashbacks to the Colorado Big XII game start throwing picks and fumbling and then we could call Major Applewhite in, since he is Rice's new O-ccordinator, to bail him out.

I'm not a UT guy hatin. Just a Simms watcher.

I was wondering where Major had gotten off to. I knew he was coaching but couldn't figure out where. I don't know why he was benched in favor of Simms, but it may have ahd something to do with Simms' pedigree. I think Applewhite was the better leader of the Longhorns. I have a feeling we could be seeing him on the sidelines of the NFL eventually.

HoustonFrog
01-12-2006, 02:32 PM
I was wondering where Major had gotten off to. I knew he was coaching but couldn't figure out where. I don't know why he was benched in favor of Simms, but it may have ahd something to do with Simms' pedigree. I think Applewhite was the better leader of the Longhorns. I have a feeling we could be seeing him on the sidelines of the NFL eventually.

He just got hired as Rice's O-Coordinator last week. Big article today

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3581700.html

royce1054
01-12-2006, 03:01 PM
they will resign him.... he wont ever even get the chance to become a FA

HJam72
01-12-2006, 03:03 PM
I think Simms is a good QB, but he's no improvement over Carr at all. He just has a better team.

jerek
01-12-2006, 03:18 PM
If you want to talk about his value as an NFL free agent I welcome the conversation. But the hyperbole due to past transgressions as a collegiate player and how they shape the here and now is nothing more than emotion blinding judgement.

As I have said I do not want to see Simms in a Texans uniform. But one could argue who got more value out of the QB position the last three years - Bucs vs. Texans.

Understood, and his past is just that: his past. As I said and probably should have emphasized more, I know that I was oversimplifying the man's game. But the fact remains, he has one pretty decent NFL season to his credit.

This year: 10 TDs/7 INTs 81.4 passer rating.

Last year, he started 2 games, played in 5, and tossed 3 INTs to 1 TD.

This to me says that his value as a free agent should be exactly as follows: a potential prospect, but hardly a sure-thing, hell, I am not even sure he would start on some other teams. Tampa Bay is a run-first offense that wins games on the strength of their D.

These numbers, when coupled with his team's early playoff exit (and the numbers he put up in that game) ... this to me says he is a good pickup if he comes cheap enough, and if I honestly believed he was an improvement over DC.

We don't yet know the price tag, but unless he was brought in to compete with Carr, and not on the basis of "he will start for us" without having played a Texans snap ... no, no, and no.

He will cost too much as a RFA and we don't need him. Should prove attractive to a team like the Lions that indisuputably is searching at the QB position, but his history and his game, as it currently stands, is much too checkered for my tastes. If you are looking to replace DC, you have to go with something that is much more of a sure thing. To this point, he has one marginally comparable year to DC. Not good enough in my book.

P.S. And correct me if I am wrong, but he is an RFA right? I don't see the Bucs not resigning him, at this point. Has anyone said they do not intend to?

Htown34s
01-12-2006, 03:30 PM
Chris Simms is not a leader. He is an average QB. This is coming from a Longhorn, for all of you people out there that think we want the Texans to be comprised of nothing but Longhorns.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 03:40 PM
Understood, and his past is just that: his past. As I said and probably should have emphasized more, I know that I was oversimplifying the man's game. But the fact remains, he has one pretty decent NFL season to his credit.

This year: 10 TDs/7 INTs 81.4 passer rating.

Last year, he started 2 games, played in 5, and tossed 3 INTs to 1 TD.

This to me says that his value as a free agent should be exactly as follows: a potential prospect, but hardly a sure-thing, hell, I am not even sure he would start on some other teams. Tampa Bay is a run-first offense that wins games on the strength of their D.

These numbers, when coupled with his team's early playoff exit (and the numbers he put up in that game) ... this to me says he is a good pickup if he comes cheap enough, and if I honestly believed he was an improvement over DC.

We don't yet know the price tag, but unless he was brought in to compete with Carr, and not on the basis of "he will start for us" without having played a Texans snap ... no, no, and no.

He will cost too much as a RFA and we don't need him. Should prove attractive to a team like the Lions that indisuputably is searching at the QB position, but his history and his game, as it currently stands, is much too checkered for my tastes. If you are looking to replace DC, you have to go with something that is much more of a sure thing. To this point, he has one marginally comparable year to DC. Not good enough in my book.

P.S. And correct me if I am wrong, but he is an RFA right? I don't see the Bucs not resigning him, at this point. Has anyone said they do not intend to?

Jerek, that is what I was looking for. I am not on any Simms bandwagon to bring him to the Texans. Just looking for some proper dialogue to shape the debate. Appreciate the contribution.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 03:42 PM
Chris Simms is not a leader. He is an average QB. This is coming from a Longhorn, for all of you people out there that think we want the Texans to be comprised of nothing but Longhorns.

Simms as the scapegoat once again this time to help rally the VY tsunami.

Texans Horror
01-12-2006, 04:37 PM
I for one am glad we took Ragone over Simms because that means that I actually get a chance to see Simms play every once in a while. If he were our third-stringer, I'm sure he would have moved up to the #2 position by now, but I doubt we would ever really see him play, especially not as the starting QB (Can you imagine a Carr/Simms/Young QB controversy? :)). For him, I am happier that he went to TB and is now their starting QB. I am confident that on the season-opener, he will still be their starting QB.

Texans86
01-12-2006, 04:43 PM
He just got hired as Rice's O-Coordinator last week. Big article today

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3581700.html

Thanks for that link, I didn't realize he was jsut hired. That's amazing that he's like 27 and OC for a D-1 team, even if it is Rice.

Texans Horror
01-12-2006, 04:44 PM
That past weekend, Simms was efficient with his passing (25/38, 65.8%). He threw one pass that was bad, but his other INT was a result of a D-lineman batting it. He threw a perfect pass in the 4th quarter that looked like a game tying TD against the Redskins (does anyone here understand why that pass to Sheppard wasn't considered a TD catch?). He had a few dropped balls too. Right now Galloway is his only deep threat.


I don't have the rulebook, but my understanding is that a receiver has to show control of the ball through the play, which means that even after the reciever is tackled or hits the ground, he has to show control. This is only applicable to those close moments when a guy is catching the ball and falling at the same time, as was the case with Sheppard. Hope that helps. If anyone else has a different view/the actual rule, I would love to hear it.

Now, on the TB boards, I am hearing that the refs got it all wrong, and "the NFL practically apologized for it." I won't argue it one way or the other, but based on my understanding, Sheppard never showed full control of the ball, so no TD. Too bad for Simms, though. He gunned two great balls downfield and hit his mark. He's got one hell of an arm, but like when he played for Texas, he ran into the problem of dropped balls, and I agree with you that he can't be blamed for them.

jerek
01-12-2006, 05:05 PM
I don't have the rulebook, but my understanding is that a receiver has to show control of the ball through the play, which means that even after the reciever is tackled or hits the ground, he has to show control. This is only applicable to those close moments when a guy is catching the ball and falling at the same time, as was the case with Sheppard. Hope that helps. If anyone else has a different view/the actual rule, I would love to hear it.

Now, on the TB boards, I am hearing that the refs got it all wrong, and "the NFL practically apologized for it." I won't argue it one way or the other, but based on my understanding, Sheppard never showed full control of the ball, so no TD. Too bad for Simms, though. He gunned two great balls downfield and hit his mark. He's got one hell of an arm, but like when he played for Texas, he ran into the problem of dropped balls, and I agree with you that he can't be blamed for them.

That is true ... Simms threw a perfect ball and his WR just dropped it. Sucks, I remember DC throwing a good few of this year ...

Texans Horror
01-12-2006, 05:39 PM
Oh Gawd let's not revisit the Jacksonville game!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-12-2006, 05:40 PM
Chris Simms has a great arm & he's tall, that's it. He doesn't have any leadership qualities, and no toughness. This is coming from a diehard Horns fan. The only reason he got the start over Applewhite is because Daddy called Mack & threatened to transfer the golden child. PASS.

Htown34s
01-12-2006, 05:51 PM
Simms as the scapegoat once again this time to help rally the VY tsunami.

:um: Dude I just said I didn't think he was a good leader.

What is up with people on this board?

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 05:51 PM
Chris Simms has a great arm & he's tall, that's it. He doesn't have any leadership qualities, and no toughness. This is coming from a diehard Horns fan. The only reason he got the start over Applewhite is because Daddy called Mack & threatened to transfer the golden child. PASS.

Please let us know your first person account of how he is not a leader and displayed no toughness. Major man crushes are soooo 2001.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 05:53 PM
:um: Dude I just said I didn't think he was a good leader.

What is up with people on this board?

People on this board ususally like to have some examples. Can you point out a number of instances that would show a trend that he displayed a lack of leadership?

TheOgre
01-12-2006, 06:00 PM
Please let us know your first person account of how he is not a leader and displayed no toughness. Major man crushes are soooo 2001.

Thank you. I think some people would love to see us put a bronze statue of Applewhite in Memorial Stadium. His legend has surpassed his feats by a long-shot. That said, I root for both Simms and Applewhite. I made a joke today that it would be funny if Gruden hired Applewhite as Simms QB coach in 2-3 years.

Mr. White
01-12-2006, 06:05 PM
In Simms' defense, he might not be the greatest but he HAS come a long way since his Senior year.

Texans Horror
01-12-2006, 07:01 PM
Thank you. I think some people would love to see us put a bronze statue of Applewhite in Memorial Stadium. His legend has surpassed his feats by a long-shot. That said, I root for both Simms and Applewhite. I made a joke today that it would be funny if Gruden hired Applewhite as Simms QB coach in 2-3 years.


Hilarious:heh:

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-12-2006, 07:12 PM
Please let us know your first person account of how he is not a leader and displayed no toughness. Major man crushes are soooo 2001.

All I can say is my friends mother has worked in the Athletic Department at Texas for 27 years. I am privy. As a fan, I have watched them for 38 years. I saw every snap Simms, Applewhite, & Young took at UT. Trust me on this one.

texan279
01-12-2006, 08:21 PM
from www.kffl.com

Buccaneers | Talking extension with Simms
Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:41:33 -0800

Jim Flynn, of PewterReport.com, reports Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager Bruce Allen has already had discussions with the agent for QB Chris Simms regarding a contract extension. Allen said Thursday, Jan. 12, that the Buccaneers want to take both Simms and QB Brian Griese into the 2006 regular season. Simms is scheduled to become a restricted free agent this offseason, which means Tampa Bay will consider tendering him a one-year contract that requires another team to offer the team compensation in the form of draft picks in order to acquire him.