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Nighthawk
01-12-2006, 05:00 AM
I'm just wondering what the sense of Morency's prospects are. He looked OK, or better than OK in the SF game. Does he have a good chance to stick and switch off with Davis at the RB position?

Grid
01-12-2006, 05:28 AM
Id say that its impossible to tell at this point.

1. We havent seen enough of him to know how many carries he can take.

2. Can he catch the ball out of the backfield? ive no idea.

3. Does he have homerun speed? id say no..maybe from 15-20 yards out..but im not sure.

4. Will he ever stop slipping? Until he does..im not even prepared to start him over Wells.

5. How much can be cured with coaching and how much is just the way he is?

All in all.. id say its possible. Just as it is possible that Mathis could become a better receiver than AJ and Wand could become our best lineman.... meaning.. feasible.. but I couldnt firmly place him in one camp or the other. (the "camps" being starter material, and not starter material)

texan279
01-12-2006, 05:38 AM
Id say that its impossible to tell at this point.

1. We havent seen enough of him to know how many carries he can take.

2. Can he catch the ball out of the backfield? ive no idea.

3. Does he have homerun speed? id say no..maybe from 15-20 yards out..but im not sure.

4. Will he ever stop slipping? Until he does..im not even prepared to start him over Wells.

5. How much can be cured with coaching and how much is just the way he is?

All in all.. id say its possible. Just as it is possible that Mathis could become a better receiver than AJ and Wand could become our best lineman.... meaning.. feasible.. but I couldnt firmly place him in one camp or the other. (the "camps" being starter material, and not starter material)

Grid, I just read one of his scouting reports from before the draft and it says that he ran a 4.67 40. It also says he does not have natural hands to catch the ball with out of the backfield.

Grid
01-12-2006, 06:43 AM
in that case.. id say no.. he will always be a backup.. unless he manages to run the ball as well as DD and acquires some other useful skill.. like pass blocking.

Other than that.. he will always be inferior to DD.

Malloy
01-12-2006, 06:53 AM
I am somewhat sceptical when it comes to scouting reports. These are subjective, and often lacking, reports concerning prospect players. It's when people take scouting reports as "truth" that the "facts" that they state becomes hyped, and leads to late round picks becoming great stars, and first round picks flopping.

Scouting reports are just that, reports. They are based on a fairly small amount of observations (3 of five catches = tendency to drop?) and should be regarded just as that. They are indicators, not truth. :)

Samer
01-12-2006, 08:16 AM
I think he will be a good backup but I don't think he is near good enough to compete with Davis for the starting job.

hot pickle
01-12-2006, 09:38 AM
the thing i noticed about him was that he never gave up on trying to get more yards, he would always try to break free and get the extra yards, but i think he is a good back up i dont see him being a starter

TheOgre
01-12-2006, 10:28 AM
I'd list him in the "shows potential" category.

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 10:34 AM
He may be fastest 4.67 guy I have seen. He hits the hole pretty darn quick and in college, yes it was not the NFL, he outran guys once he had them shoulder to shoulder.

I find it odd that a 14th round Baseball prospect for outfield would not have good hands. And yes I understand the shapes of a football and baseball are inherently different. ;)

HeartofHouston
01-12-2006, 10:36 AM
Morency is a lot better than what people believe that he is.. he is faster than DD and has better juke moves to get away from defenders to pick up extra yards while DD has below average speed, and would perfer to run you over for extra yards rather than juke.

They both are good recievers out the back field.. Morency is just a quicker DD..

El Tejano
01-12-2006, 10:43 AM
If Kubiak comes to Houston, Morency will be pretty darn good in the offense. You have to think he will be a Bell clone.

TheOgre
01-12-2006, 10:46 AM
If Kubiak comes to Houston, Morency will be pretty darn good in the offense. You have to think he will be a Bell clone.

That is funny because I was saying the same thing. I had even forgotten that they both went to OSU.

HeartofHouston
01-12-2006, 10:47 AM
and the same way that Bell picked up the offense it should be just like that with Morency..

Malloy
01-12-2006, 01:09 PM
And yes I understand the shapes of a football and baseball are inherently different. ;)

Come on Kaiser, now you're just fooling with me! :)

Kaiser Toro
01-12-2006, 01:09 PM
Come on Kaiser, now you're just fooling with me! :)

I kid, I kid. :)

Malloy
01-12-2006, 01:11 PM
I kid, I kid. :)

Getting so confused here!

D-ReK
01-12-2006, 01:20 PM
Grid, I just read one of his scouting reports from before the draft and it says that he ran a 4.67 40. It also says he does not have natural hands to catch the ball with out of the backfield.

He was recovering from a hamstring injury when he ran that 4.67...He hurt it before the combine, so he didn't run there, and he wasn't fully healed when he ran at Miami's pro day...

He shows promise, but I don't know if I like the idea of a Davis/Morency backfield...

Bubbajwp
01-12-2006, 01:22 PM
Morency is our fastest RB other than T Hollings who shouldnt even be a Texan next season..

Wharton
01-12-2006, 01:55 PM
Seems ok to me. Don't really know that much about him. You really can't use the SF game as a measuring stick. I'd say wait until spring training an look at him again.

I will say that I am not too keen on his running style. Morency does that spin thing at the point of contact alot. Its just bad form.

:twocents:

GP
01-12-2006, 02:31 PM
With Kubiak in control.....

We'll need all the RBs we can keep. You'll see DD, Wells, and Morency each having lots of carries and in the gameplan a lot more than they were.

Fresh legs is the key. Change of pace is a factor, too.

Notice how when the coaches were fired after the last game of the season, you never saw Kubiak's name mentioned with ANY OTHER TEAM as a potential replacement?

I think the media and the NFL in general knows that Kubiak and Houston are just built for each other.

Htown34s
01-12-2006, 02:36 PM
Morency is a DD clone, which is good because DD can't stay healthy for a full year. So we have DD that starts and gets paid mega bucks, and one DD clone that doesn't get paid jack for another few years. I don't see Morency becoming any better than what DD is now, but thats OK.

Why screw with this formula? Why add a QB-high salary RB to come in for 15 touches a game? DD and Morency are enough and they are cap-friendly.

A Texan
01-12-2006, 05:46 PM
I think Morency will be very good based on what I saw of him in college and what little I saw of him with the Texans. After he looked so good in college, I was really surprised he lasted to the 3rd round. I think we got a bargain.

YoungTexanFan
01-12-2006, 08:18 PM
I personally feel he was THE worst pick in our draft history. That was before his performance this year. He has only confirmed that for me. His style is exactly that of what we already had. He was 26 I believe when we drafted him. He is not one to take a full hit without attempting to turn out of the way.

We then must assume Kubiak and his O-line coach are coming, bringing their version of the zone scheme. RB's will be a hot comodity you say, well...I agree. The RB's I would like to see on our team in Kubiaks system: DD- starter, Wells-Short yardage/3rd down back, Hollings- Change of pace/outside runner/breather back.

Morency can go play baseball again.

D-ReK
01-12-2006, 08:19 PM
I personally feel he was THE worst pick in our draft history.

Do the names Charles Hill, Tony Hollings, and Bennie Joppru ring a bell? At least Morency showed some promise this year...

big homey
01-12-2006, 08:24 PM
DD + Morency + Wells = Anderson + Bell + Dayne?

beerlover
01-12-2006, 08:24 PM
I like his upside, just needs more touches & with DD on injured reserve alot he should get more PT. At the time of the draft it was like WTF I thought we needed lineman:confused: so here we are again- we need to draft lineman and the urgency just gets upgraded year after year :rolleyes:

dat_boy_yec
01-12-2006, 08:29 PM
I've said this before, but I'll say it again. If we got Bush, Morency should be the first to go. He's already stated that he would want to be traded if Bush came here. Where's the competitive fire I wonder. Wells said he would like to stay here and Davis said he wouldn't mind the competition. Hollings, I haven't heard anything about him recently except for his run-in with the law, but from what I remember from the last time I saw him play being healthy is that he had a very different running style from DD and was faster, the fact that he's younger helps his case and he's cheap. Morency to me is like a DD light and at the same age, I haven't seen any real maturity from him, but thas JMO.

YoungTexanFan
01-12-2006, 08:29 PM
Do the names Charles Hill, Tony Hollings, and Bennie Joppru ring a bell? At least Morency showed some promise this year...

Charles Hill was bad, but he was an attempt at something we needed in our first draft. Hollings has soo much more potential in this league than morency. Hollings is not a bust. When he saw his most significant playing time, he was by no-ones standards recovered. He is now. He will show morency up. Joppru has yet to play, he has the potential and was picked because we NEEDED a TE.

YoungTexanFan
01-12-2006, 08:31 PM
I've said this before, but I'll say it again. If we got Bush, Morency should be the first to go. He's already stated that he would want to be traded if Bush came here. Where's the competitive fire I wonder. Wells said he would like to stay here and Davis said he wouldn't mind the competition. Hollings, I haven't heard anything about him recently except for his run-in with the law, but from what I remember from the last time I saw him play being healthy is that he had a very different running style from DD and was faster, the fact that he's younger helps his case and he's cheap. Morency to me is like a DD light and at the same age, I haven't seen any real maturity from him, but thas JMO.

Morency was 26 when we drafted him, he spent his time failing at another sport.

YoungTexanFan
01-12-2006, 08:32 PM
I've said this before, but I'll say it again. If we got Bush, Morency should be the first to go. He's already stated that he would want to be traded if Bush came here. Where's the competitive fire I wonder. Wells said he would like to stay here and Davis said he wouldn't mind the competition. Hollings, I haven't heard anything about him recently except for his run-in with the law, but from what I remember from the last time I saw him play being healthy is that he had a very different running style from DD and was faster, the fact that he's younger helps his case and he's cheap. Morency to me is like a DD light and at the same age, I haven't seen any real maturity from him, but thas JMO.

I like this post. Morency should be the first to go, regardless. Hollings is a different style runner than anyone on our team. We have a proven, better, stronger, more willing back in DD, so morency can clone someone else on a different team.

run-david-run
01-12-2006, 08:35 PM
I like his upside, just needs more touches & with DD on injured reserve alot he should get more PT. At the time of the draft it was like WTF I thought we needed lineman:confused: so here we are again- we need to draft lineman and the urgency just gets upgraded year after year :rolleyes:
Hopefully, with Wells and Morency getting more touches, DD wont be on IR. Remeber, DD was basically by himslef in the backfield, all of Well's carries came when DD was hurt, he never spled DD, that is why he wears down....

run-david-run
01-12-2006, 08:38 PM
I like this post. Morency should be the first to go, regardless. Hollings is a different style runner than anyone on our team. We have a proven, better, stronger, more willing back in DD, so morency can clone someone else on a different team.
Ummm, if we get Bush, then Hollings will be almost exactly like him.. really fast little guy that will sprint for the sideline and is allergic to the tackles...
The thing is, everyone expects Kubiak to use a Denver-style offense, meaning multiple backs. However, where does Bush fit into this? I think that in theory he fits the system, but he would be a $45M complimentary back, ala Tatum Bell, who was a second rounder, not anywhere near the financial responsibility Bush would present....

tulexan
01-12-2006, 08:42 PM
He will be used in a similar way that Marshall Faulk was used.

dat_boy_yec
01-12-2006, 08:47 PM
Ummm, if we get Bush, then Hollings will be almost exactly like him.. really fast little guy that will sprint for the sideline and is allergic to the tackles...
The thing is, everyone expects Kubiak to use a Denver-style offense, meaning multiple backs. However, where does Bush fit into this? I think that in theory he fits the system, but he would be a $45M complimentary back, ala Tatum Bell, who was a second rounder, not anywhere near the financial responsibility Bush would present....

Hmm the way I see it is 2 inside guys, because DD can do it up the middle, and 2 outside guys. I like that better than 2 inside guys, 1 guy trying to find his style, and 1 outside guy in Bush. Also, Bush would be worked like a slave on any team he ended up on. I mean how deep are we at receiver are you telling me you would never line Bush up out there in the slot. Bush opens up alot of possibilities, and if Kubiak is as good as we think he is he should squeeze Bush for all the talent he's got and make him leave it all out on the field. Also keep in mind he is not even 21 yrs. old yet the upside to this guy is still huge.

YoungTexanFan
01-16-2006, 01:29 AM
Morency was 26 when we drafted him, he spent his time failing at another sport.

Dang, some one BLASTED me for this post. It took 10 rep points.


Something along the lines of me being biased and unfounded about morency.

I am slightly biased against him yes, but most people on this board are biased one way or another towards a certian player. He has yet to show me enough to advocate us picking him in the third round. He just hasn't shown me the potential yet.

When has he shown you enough potential to make you believe he was worth OUR 3rd round pick, not just A third round pick?

Blast me for my opinion if that makes you feel big.

Fiddy
01-16-2006, 02:08 AM
I think Morency could be really good, just needs the carries. He was easily the most electric offensive player during the preseason but after the fans were promised that he'd get 10 touches a game, Capers and Pendry sat him on the bench for almost the whole season.

YoungTexanFan
01-16-2006, 02:10 AM
I think Morency could be really good, just needs the carries. He was easily the most electric offensive player during the preseason but after the fans were promised that he'd get 10 touches a game, Capers and Pendry sat him on the bench for almost the whole season.

sloan thomas was doing alright.

Fiddy
01-16-2006, 02:13 AM
sloan thomas was doing alright. Thomas was good but wasnt "electric." When Morency touched the ball, you got ready for a big play, for some spin move to get into the open field or a shake-and-bake Barry Sanders move. He was "electric."

Malloy
01-16-2006, 06:44 AM
Agreed. The few plays that Morency DID get, he showed alot of energy, "electricity" or whatever we call it. For me at least, it was a breath of fresh air and I hope we see more of him next season.

Grid
01-16-2006, 06:49 AM
he showed me the usual. He needs better cleats.

DD and Wells are the only two RBs on our team that I think we have to keep coming into next season (and Bush of course..if we draft him). Morency and Hollings are both expendable in my mind, though Hollings is a great deal more expendable than Morency I think. Hollings has had his chance.. if he hasnt shown anything yet (and he hasnt) then that isnt likely to change anytime soon.

Id like to see Bush, DD, Wells, and Morency as our RBs next season. That is a good mix of speed, power, and elusiveness. Something for everyone there.

Malloy
01-16-2006, 06:57 AM
But Bush is going to cost us alot of money :(
Why I think we'll stay with Morency, possibly letting Hollings go and spend a late draft on some new rookie RB that Kubiak likes, that is, if Kubiak becomes our new HC.

I blame the patriots really, if they had won, we would possibly have our HC by now ;)

Grid
01-16-2006, 07:01 AM
eh.. Bush wont hurt us cap wise in the long run. Trading down could actually cost us MORE than just taking Bush.

Bush has all the tools to be a superstar.... if we are going to implement a Denver style running game.. then id like to see us take advantage of this chance to get our Terrell Davis/Clinton Portis.

Malloy
01-16-2006, 08:54 AM
eh.. Bush wont hurt us cap wise in the long run. Trading down could actually cost us MORE than just taking Bush.

Bush has all the tools to be a superstar.... if we are going to implement a Denver style running game.. then id like to see us take advantage of this chance to get our Terrell Davis/Clinton Portis.

We have like 4 years left on DD's contract right? What do you suppose we do with that one if we cannot trade him, which I suspect will be the case ?