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leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 09:41 PM
Ok, here we go.
Take Reggie with the number one pick, package D.Davis/Corey Bradford for T.O.
Then get some O-line and D help in the 2nd and mid rounds...THEN take Vick with a late pick (if available). If he continues to be a "cancer", there's nothing lost. If he comes around to benefit society, well then, he could push Carr. Now wouldn't that be a luxury to have? Along with Johnson and T.O. at the wideouts, with Playmaker Supreme Bush in the backfield! Now, about that defense....

dat_boy_yec
01-10-2006, 09:57 PM
Ummm N.O. to T.O. I don't think the Texans would want to pay that much or deal with all his baggage. Plus, we need Davis to share the load with Bush if we get him until the other backups prove they can do so.

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 10:12 PM
Forget all that "baggage stuff", there didn't seem to be baggage when they were winning, i.e. the Super Bowl. The man is the best receiver in the league. Or maybe...we could go 6-10 this year, that would be great!

HardKnockTexan
01-10-2006, 10:32 PM
T.O. and Marcus Vick???? no thankyou....

Carr Bombed
01-10-2006, 10:35 PM
Guys calm down he's obviously joking, right?....right?!?

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 10:46 PM
You guys are looking at it all wrong...Not looking for Vick to be anything other than a clipboard carrying "diamond in the rough". Philip Rivers without having to waste a high choice. If it works out, wow. What do you lose if it doesnt? It's not as if we've found any gems with our draft selections in the past! Keep emotion out of it and think risk-reward.

TexanSam
01-10-2006, 10:51 PM
There's no way the Texans will draft Marcus Vick. There's also no way the Texans will trade for T.O. Didn't Bob McNair even state publicly that the Texans had no interest in Owens? What makes you think we would have any interest in Vick? There are plenty of other good options out there who don't have attitude problems.

Carr Bombed
01-10-2006, 10:53 PM
Vick wasn't even that good of a college qb. He couldn't pass as good as his brother in college and doesn't have the speed of his brother the only thing they have in common is their last name. He played terrible in every big game they had this year and no gm in their right mind is going to trade for TO (especially when he is going to be a free agent pretty soon) and then draft Marcuffs Vick in they same offseason, could you imagine all the negative press, we would be a laughing stock. I wouldn't even spend a 7th rounder on him.

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 10:58 PM
You guys do realize that Marcus is regarded as a better quarterback prospect than Vince? Passing qb that is. That college running b.s. will work a couple of seasons, but eventually that sidearm delivery will come to light as a detriment to the man. Take away the short game, make him throw deep and you have Bernie Kosar! I understand he made shambles of the 73rd ranked defense in the nation on national tv, but come on..so did a few other teams.

texasguy346
01-10-2006, 11:02 PM
You do realize there are an awful lot of better QBs than Vick in this draft, and none of them have near his baggage. Seems like a big waste of a pick to me. I doubt any team even wastes a 6th rounder on him.

TexanSam
01-10-2006, 11:04 PM
You guys do realize that Marcus is regarded as a better quarterback prospect than Vince? Passing qb that is. That college running b.s. will work a couple of seasons, but eventually that sidearm delivery will come to light as a detriment to the man. Take away the short game, make him throw deep and you have Bernie Kosar! I understand he made shambles of the 73rd ranked defense in the nation on national tv, but come on..so did a few other teams.

Even if Marcus Vick didn't have all his legal troubles and decided to come out early, he wouldn't be regarded as good a prospect as Vince Young.

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 11:06 PM
Mr. Vick 143.3 rating
Young 163.95

Vick 61.2 completion pctg
young 65.2

Hmmm, not worth taking a shot????

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:06 PM
Vince Young also had a lot more experience than Marcus Vick.

This was the first year he has been the starter of the team and receiver significant playing time. This was Vince's third season.

edo783
01-10-2006, 11:07 PM
JUST what we need....two problem children. Yup, that's a good thing, let's do it.

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 11:07 PM
name them!

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 11:08 PM
thank you. so in a couple of more years, marcus would have surely surpassed Vince's stats?! I agree.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:09 PM
thank you. so in a couple of more years, marcus would have surely surpassed Vince's stats?! I agree.

I never said that

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 11:09 PM
Or 53 angelic ones that go 2-14!

Carr Bombed
01-10-2006, 11:20 PM
Mr. Vick 143.3 rating
Young 163.95

Vick 61.2 completion pctg
young 65.2

Hmmm, not worth taking a shot????

Dude its not even that close take a look for yourself, heres the division I-A passing leaders scroll down...far down to see your boy

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&sort=rat&season=3&year=2005&group=80

Tulexan you can't be against Vince that much to be supporting this argument

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:23 PM
I never said that he was better than Vince. All I said was that he hasn't had that much experience, which is a fact. I think Marcus had a lot of potential his freshman year but he threw that away.

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 11:29 PM
Well, by God...I'll take Rudy Carpenter if that's the criteria! That's plain silly. You really think Vince is 22 spots better than Vick? Be careful, because that will mean you also believe the 2 clowns ahead of him are better.
Once again, I'm not asking to risk a high pick on the man, but instead of taking the nosetackle from San Jose St., roll the dice on something that may actually help you down the line. If it doesnt work out, what have we lost??? Please answer that question.

Carr Bombed
01-10-2006, 11:40 PM
Well, by God...I'll take Rudy Carpenter if that's the criteria! That's plain silly, because that will mean you also believe the 2 clowns ahead of him are better Nope, that just shows you how you can't say Vick is close to young because their ratings are close, which in the end proved not to be close. What you have to do is use the list as a barometer to judge talent.

Lets see all the QBs that broke the top ten. Vince Young, Troy Smith, Drew Olsen, Matt Lienart, and Brady Quinn, all regarded as the top talented qbs.

Vick didn't even come close to that, he is a mediocre qb.

In fact he is so mediocre I'm done wasting my time talking about him.

I'm done I have to work tomorrow.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:42 PM
I'd love to have Rudy Carpenter in a few years. The kid has talent. He threw for 2200 yards 17 touchdowns and 2 interceptions and started in 6 games. Pretty good for a freshman.

Carr Bombed
01-10-2006, 11:45 PM
I'd love to have Rudy Carpenter in a few years. The kid has talent. He threw for 2200 yards 17 touchdowns and 2 interceptions and started in 6 games. Pretty good for a freshman. I know your alot more intelligent than that tulexan. Don't make me pull out ranked defenses faced

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:46 PM
I know your alot more intelligent than that tulexan.


Are you denying that he doesn't have the potential to be a very talented player?

Carr Bombed
01-10-2006, 11:47 PM
Are you denying that he doesn't have the potential to be a very talented player?who vick

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:48 PM
who vick

No Rudy Carpenter

Carr Bombed
01-10-2006, 11:51 PM
No Rudy Carpenter Any qb that puts up those #s have potential, but you have to ask yourself in they're a system qb or did they face the bottom feeder defenses. I don't know I really don't pay attention to Arizona St., not really on my must see tv list these days

leaguecitytexan
01-10-2006, 11:52 PM
I'm out fellas, good discussion.

Carr Bombed
01-10-2006, 11:53 PM
Me too like I said I got to go to work, yall are keeping me up to late, see ya later.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:54 PM
I guess only time will tell about Rudy. Looks like he is pretty accurate because only once has he thrown for under 60%

Bobo
01-11-2006, 12:00 AM
Ok, here we go.
Take Reggie with the number one pick, package D.Davis/Corey Bradford for T.O.
Then get some O-line and D help in the 2nd and mid rounds...THEN take Vick with a late pick (if available). If he continues to be a "cancer", there's nothing lost. If he comes around to benefit society, well then, he could push Carr. Now wouldn't that be a luxury to have? Along with Johnson and T.O. at the wideouts, with Playmaker Supreme Bush in the backfield! Now, about that defense....

Sounds like all you care about are getting big names who score TDs and don't care a whole lot about the guys who are really important -- those who create the holes. Heck, you can pick up RBs with third and fourth-round picks. Terrell Davis and Dom Davis are perfect examples, not to mention Mike Anderson. And the Texans don't need a QB. What they DO need is a wholllle lotta help every where else -- and you're going to need a wholllle lotta decent picks to plug those holes.

leaguecitytexan
01-11-2006, 12:07 AM
Last post, I promise.
On the contrary, I mentioned using the 2nd pick and beyond on o-line and defensive help. Just take a flyer on Vick as a "more than competent backup" to Carr. Also, offensive lines are peppered with low draft picks, so free agency would help there. Worried about scoring TD'S? You bet, but I'm on my way to solving our ills! On paper anyway. Good night all.

BREAZE
01-11-2006, 12:16 AM
Well Marcus sure handled the pressure well. I can't believe this thread has this many replies.

swtbound07
01-11-2006, 12:33 AM
the man pulled a gun at a freaking mcdonalds!!!!

how exactly does that add up in the stat column?

Big78
01-11-2006, 12:33 AM
Well, by God...I'll take Rudy Carpenter if that's the criteria! That's plain silly. You really think Vince is 22 spots better than Vick? Be careful, because that will mean you also believe the 2 clowns ahead of him are better.
Once again, I'm not asking to risk a high pick on the man, but instead of taking the nosetackle from San Jose St., roll the dice on something that may actually help you down the line. If it doesnt work out, what have we lost??? Please answer that question.
How about 2 MILLION $ and a few years i'll never get back because thats propbably the lowest he'd agree to. Now grab a stool and go sit in the corner and think about what you've said.... AND DONT FORGET YOUR POINTY HAT!!!

Big78
01-11-2006, 12:38 AM
I'd love to have Rudy Carpenter in a few years. The kid has talent. He threw for 2200 yards 17 touchdowns and 2 interceptions and started in 6 games. Pretty good for a freshman.
Well, he's no J.P Lossman:bag: