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Janus3
01-10-2006, 05:10 PM
first off i want to say of the texans take reggie bush, i won't be upset he's a good athlete. now my question, what exactly is wrong with domanick davis? i mean he's a 1000 yard back with a bad oline. if they draft a franchise LT like d'brickshaw ferguson wouldn't you think that would benefit both carr and davis? it only makes sense to trade down to the 3 or 4 and get him all the while obtaining more picks. and it looks like the texans can get a kings ransom for this pick or at least something similar to what the chargers got in exchange for eli manning. i just don't see how having both reggie and domanick would help when the oline still has not been addressed. thoughts?

tulexan
01-10-2006, 05:14 PM
The Texans OL is actually pretty good for run blocking. They are just really bad in pass protection. Davis is a good back, but with Bush you are adding another weapon in addition to AJ and DD. I am assuming that there will be a lot of packages where you will see both Davis and Bush on the field at the same time. Maybe some where they are both in the back field, maybe some where Davis is the deep back and Bush is in the slot or as a wideout. Having two quality backs will allow both players to stay healthy for the entire season and let them both have fresh legs.

ReggieBushFan
01-10-2006, 05:17 PM
drafting Reggie Bush is the biggest "no-brainer" ever in my opinion

Bush and Davis can compliment one another much like Bush and White did at USC, Reggie is the ultimate weapon, he can be used in a variety of ways on the field, we could draft Reggie and then draft lineman with our other 7 picks if they so choose, but to pass up Reggie would be the worst possible mistake the Texans have made yet

BREAZE
01-10-2006, 05:18 PM
first off i want to say of the texans take reggie bush, i won't be upset he's a good athlete. now my question, what exactly is wrong with domanick davis? i mean he's a 1000 yard back with a bad oline. if they draft a franchise LT like d'brickshaw ferguson wouldn't you think that would benefit both carr and davis? it only makes sense to trade down to the 3 or 4 and get him all the while obtaining more picks. and it looks like the texans can get a kings ransom for this pick or at least something similar to what the chargers got in exchange for eli manning. i just don't see how having both reggie and domanick would help when the oline still has not been addressed. thoughts?

I'm a VY fan and Bush fan...go figure. Bush has break away speed, you can line him up as receiver opposite Johnson, use him as a decoy, and have him return kicks although I don't think he would be doing that...depends on the situation I guess. He could also pass on a trick play.

He will snap some ankes before he retires...and that's pretty cool.

BREAZE
01-10-2006, 05:20 PM
drafting Reggie Bush is the biggest "no-brainer" ever in my opinion

Bush and Davis can compliment one another much like Bush and White did at USC, Reggie is the ultimate weapon, he can be used in a variety of ways on the field, we could draft Reggie and then draft lineman with our other 7 picks if they so choose, but to pass up Reggie would be the worst possible mistake the Texans have made yet


The no-brainer is to trade down, but sounds like it won't happen...at some point you have to pass.

D-ReK
01-10-2006, 05:21 PM
There is no reason that we can't utilize DD and Bush like USC utilized Bush and Lendale...Davis is a decent back, but he is far too injury prone for my liking...If we were to draft Bush, we would likely finally be able to have Davis play in all 16 games...

As far as Ferguson is concerned, I've never been too impressed with him and I fail to see what makes him so "elite"...He can handle speed rushers fine, but he gets beat on bull rushes...He is also not a very adept run blocker...If we were to draft him, he'd likely ride the pine for a season while he works to build up his size and strength, both of which being areas for concern for him...If we were going to trade down for an OT, I'd rather trade down for Winston, who could get some PT at RT as a rookie, then be poised to compete with Pitts going into his sophomore season...

BREAZE
01-10-2006, 05:26 PM
As far as Ferguson is concerned, I've never been too impressed with him and I fail to see what makes him so "elite"...He can handle speed rushers fine, but he gets beat on bull rushes...He is also not a very adept run blocker...If we were to draft him, he'd likely ride the pine for a season while he works to build up his size and strength, both of which being areas for concern for him...If we were going to trade down for an OT, I'd rather trade down for Winston, who could get some PT at RT as a rookie, then be poised to compete with Pitts going into his sophomore season...

Typically O-line guys picked in the top 10 do well in the NFL and I'm guessing he will be no different. He is a ton better than anyone we have now, that's for sure...

Janus3
01-10-2006, 05:27 PM
all good points. draft should be interesting.

D-ReK
01-10-2006, 05:31 PM
Typically O-line guys picked in the top 10 do well in the NFL and I'm guessing he will be no different. He is a ton better than anyone we have now, that's for sure...

I beg to differ...Most of the recent top 10 OTs (Mike Williams, Jordan Gross, Robert Gallery) have not lived up to the hype they had surrounding them before the draft...Each of them were supposed to be "the next great tackle" and none of them have had any success at protecting their QB's blindside...The thing that these three have going for them, though, is that they had the strength and ability to play either RG or RT, which Ferguson can't do...

BREAZE
01-10-2006, 05:34 PM
I beg to differ...Most of the recent top 10 OTs (Mike Williams, Jordan Gross, Robert Gallery) have not lived up to the hype they had surrounding them before the draft...Each of them were supposed to be "the next great tackle" and none of them have had any success at protecting their QB's blindside...The thing that these three have going for them, though, is that they had the strength and ability to play either RG or RT, which Ferguson can't do...

Good points, although I would take all 4 in a second right now...

MorKnolle
01-10-2006, 09:30 PM
first off i want to say of the texans take reggie bush, i won't be upset he's a good athlete. now my question, what exactly is wrong with domanick davis? i mean he's a 1000 yard back with a bad oline. if they draft a franchise LT like d'brickshaw ferguson wouldn't you think that would benefit both carr and davis? it only makes sense to trade down to the 3 or 4 and get him all the while obtaining more picks. and it looks like the texans can get a kings ransom for this pick or at least something similar to what the chargers got in exchange for eli manning. i just don't see how having both reggie and domanick would help when the oline still has not been addressed. thoughts?

I have been a fan of trading down all along, but between drafting Reggie vs. drafting Young, I'm all for Reggie. That said, Ferguson would probably help the passing game, but he's not going to help the running game at all since he is pretty small/weaker than most OT, that's why I would prefer to take Eric Winston rather than Ferguson.

Xman
01-10-2006, 09:36 PM
Reasons DD is not a solid #1 RB:
1. DD is injury prone.
2. DD has 4 100 rushing games every year. I realize his YPG is high, but we need a RUNNING back. We need someone who can get more 100 yard games and help control the clock. Portis had 9 100 yard games this year which is the reason Washington is in the playoffs (and he can pass block - but he sucks for fantasy because he doesn't score)
3. DD is injury prone.
4. We need a RB that can pass block, which DD can't. If he could block better, Carr would have had a lot more time to throw to WRs instead of dumping off to DD. Side effect: As our OL improves, we should throw more to WRs and less to RBs, which means DD value will decrease
5. DD is injury prone.
6. DD does not break long runs. Even when DD gets a big hole, he gets caught. We need a RB that is threat to take it to the house if he breaks through the line. DD had 2 games this year where he had 44 yard runs, and didn't score (note that both of these games were against Tenn who was terrible this year). His next longest run was 29 yards, and didn't score (against Balt). After that his longest rushing gains per game were: 19, 18, 15, 13, 12, 11, 7, and 6 (nad his previous years are similar). His longest pass catches were 30 and 33 yards. He just isn't fast.
7. DD is injury prone.
8. DD does not score rushing TDs. He had 2 rushing tds all year. Arguably this is an anomaly for this year, or it could be a trend.
9. Did I mention DD is injury prone?

Untrue Bush comparisons:
(I think everyone admits he is fast(4.28 40), can catch and has awesome juke moves - I taped his games against UT and UCLA and watched some of his runs in slow motion, the only thing I could say is WOW) (before watching those games I was in the "trade the pick" category, as I have been since year one)
1. He can't pass block: The dude is a great blocker - as other posters have attested to.
2. He is too small and weak to go inside: He benches over 400 pounds, is 6 foot and 220 pounds.
According to CBS: Alexander is 5'11 and 220; LJ is 6'1 and 230; LT is 5'10 and 220; Tiki is 5'10 and 200; EJames is 6' and 215. So, it's not his size or strength that is the problem (Carroll played to the strength of each of his stud RBs - Bush's speed and White's size - but that doesn't mean Bush can't get his inside - watch the UCLA game film for proof). Also, like most RBs, he will add about 20 pounds of bulk over the next two years.
3. He is too . . . . err... that's about it.

DD's limitations aside, I have no problem keeping DD, as a complement to Bush. If we can't get anything for him, keep him (and trade Morency for a 4th or keep him too). It would be nice to have depth and strength at a position (especially RB due to the higher injury % for RBs).

LoneStarState
01-10-2006, 09:37 PM
Could Wells be made an H-back? Put him in the backfield with Davis with Bush in the slot?

Xman
01-10-2006, 09:52 PM
Also Bush averages 8.6 a carry.

Bush longs per game of (this year): 78, 65, 65, 65, 45, 42, 41, 38, 34 . . . . not one game this year without a long over 10 yards. (note that this is not his longest runs of the year - just a listing of his longest runs per game).

His TD runs average over 30 yards. (DD doesn't even have 1 TD run of 30 yards)

MorKnolle
01-10-2006, 10:00 PM
Reasons DD is not a solid #1 RB:
1. DD is injury prone.
2. DD has 4 100 rushing games every year. I realize his YPG is high, but we need a RUNNING back. We need someone who can get more 100 yard games and help control the clock. Portis had 9 100 yard games this year which is the reason Washington is in the playoffs (and he can pass block - but he sucks for fantasy because he doesn't score)
3. DD is injury prone.
4. We need a RB that can pass block, which DD can't. If he could block better, Carr would have had a lot more time to throw to WRs instead of dumping off to DD. Side effect: As our OL improves, we should throw more to WRs and less to RBs, which means DD value will decrease
5. DD is injury prone.
6. DD does not break long runs. Even when DD gets a big hole, he gets caught. We need a RB that is threat to take it to the house if he breaks through the line. DD had 2 games this year where he had 44 yard runs, and didn't score (note that both of these games were against Tenn who was terrible this year). His next longest run was 29 yards, and didn't score (against Balt). After that his longest rushing gains per game were: 19, 18, 15, 13, 12, 11, 7, and 6 (nad his previous years are similar). His longest pass catches were 30 and 33 yards. He just isn't fast.
7. DD is injury prone.
8. DD does not score rushing TDs. He had 2 rushing tds all year. Arguably this is an anomaly for this year, or it could be a trend.
9. Did I mention DD is injury prone?

Untrue Bush comparisons:
(I think everyone admits he is fast(4.28 40), can catch and has awesome juke moves - I taped his games against UT and UCLA and watched some of his runs in slow motion, the only thing I could say is WOW) (before watching those games I was in the "trade the pick" category, as I have been since year one)
1. He can't pass block: The dude is a great blocker - as other posters have attested to.
2. He is too small and weak to go inside: He benches over 400 pounds, is 6 foot and 220 pounds.
According to CBS: Alexander is 5'11 and 220; LJ is 6'1 and 230; LT is 5'10 and 220; Tiki is 5'10 and 200; EJames is 6' and 215. So, it's not his size or strength that is the problem (Carroll played to the strength of each of his stud RBs - Bush's speed and White's size - but that doesn't mean Bush can't get his inside - watch the UCLA game film for proof). Also, like most RBs, he will add about 20 pounds of bulk over the next two years.
3. He is too . . . . err... that's about it.

DD's limitations aside, I have no problem keeping DD, as a complement to Bush. If we can't get anything for him, keep him (and trade Morency for a 4th or keep him too). It would be nice to have depth and strength at a position (especially RB due to the higher injury % for RBs).

I've spent the last week arguing against all the Vince posts and I see i's time for another Reggie one. Davis has had some injury problems, but those have been a result of keeping him in every single play of the game. No other teams do that, they all sub their stars out every once in a while, and that is the reason we have Wells and Morency here, but the coaches still refused to use them. I don't think Davis will be able to average 22 carries a game without maybe having some problems, but he can get 18-20 a game, and Well/Morency are more than capable of coming in for 10 carries a game between them. Davis is not a very good pass blocker, but I don't think they've really worked on that at all with him, not to mention Reggie is not a good pass blocker either and if he's so great at receiving then we don't want him stuck in the backfield blocking. Again, an improved OLine will drastically help that problem. Davis has not had many long runs, but that doesn't mean he can't be an effective RB. In 2004, Curtis Martin led the NFL in rushing with 1697 yards and 12 rushing TDs, and averaged 4.6 yards per carry, yet his longest run of the year was 25 yards. I'm pretty sure 1697 yards, 4.6 ypc, and 12 TDs aren't considered bad by anyone, and his team made the playoffs and won the first round game on the road. Shaun Alexander and Corey Dillon had 1696 and 1635 yards and averaged 4.8 and 4.7 ypc respectively last year, and their longest run on the year was 44 yards. Edgerrin James had 1548 yards and 4.6 ypc and his long was 40 yards. Larry Johnson had 1750 yards, 20 TDs and averaged 5.2 ypc this year and his longest run was 49 yards this year. Clinton Portis had 1516 yards, 11 TDs, and averaged 4.3 ypc this year and his longest run was 47 yards. Edgerrin James this year had 1506 yards, 13 TDs, and averaged 4.2 ypc, and his longest run was 33 yards, as was Rudi Johnson's longest run, and he had 1458 yards and 12 TDs this year. RBs don't always have to break long runs to be effective. Davis did not have many rushing TDs this year, but he did have another 4 receiving TDs, plus the offense was horrible this year and was rarely in position for him to score. Finally, Bush is not 220, he is listed at 200. I rarely if ever saw him run inside, and most any RB in the NFL can bench press 400 lbs, plus there is a difference between 5-10 200 lbs. and 6-0 200 lbs. Anyways, that's it for now. Thanks for giving me a break from arguing against all these Vince posts. I am a fan of trading down, but if we stay at #1 I'm all for drafting Reggie Bush rather than Vince Young, I can at least see how he can come in and improve the team and add something to it without having to remove one of our four best players.

BREAZE
01-10-2006, 10:04 PM
Also Bush averages 8.6 a carry.

Bush longs per game of (this year): 78, 65, 65, 65, 45, 42, 41, 38, 34 . . . . not one game this year without a long over 10 yards. (note that this is not his longest runs of the year - just a listing of his longest runs per game).

His TD runs average over 30 yards. (DD doesn't even have 1 TD run of 30 yards)


This is the only small worry I have with Bush is how will he do with only a small fraction of the wiggle room he has enjoyed at USC? DD really has to work for his yardage by boucing off guys and keeping those legs going. I will be curious to see what Bush does. I think at WR he will be able to create better, but can he poke through this line at RB and work his magic?

Xman
01-10-2006, 10:08 PM
As far as the OL goes - we can't fix it all overnight. I agree that I would ove to have a top OT (and OG for that matter).
BUT - I want a chance to win the SuperBowl - even if it is at least 4 years from now. The best chance at that is Bush (figuring we fix our other holes over the next 3 years).

What do we need:
Entire OL
TE
WR2
CB2
S
OLB (and MLB?)
DE

We need a LOT - it will take years. But, Bush will give us a chance at upsets and will be that guy that makes defense adjust (or get beat). Plus, with him in the backfield, the rest of our offense will be better.
If we add a good TE, a veteran #2WR and some OL, our offense will be very good. Our defense needs a lot also, but I think the O needs to be fixed first.

#1 Bush
#33 TE (if one of Lewis/Davis/Pope drops, I think at least one drops because 3 TEs in the 1st would be very odd)
Other options: OL - G Jean Giles will be a mauler; any of the forst round OTs that may fall (winston, scott, justice, mcneill and maybe O'callaghan)
#65 best OL (Tutui if he is still there)
#66 BPA
4th rounder - best OL (unless a stud drops)
I realize this mock doesn't cover WR or D, but WR is weak this year and OL is the strongest it has been in at least a decade (DL is decent/LB is ok/S is average/CB is below average).
Last year I would have said trade all our picks for future picks. But, this year I think we need to take the BPA at #1 and #33. Maybe we trade the 3rd rounders, but when we are so weak at OL and so many OL are in this draft it would be hard to do that.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 10:08 PM
2. He is too small and weak to go inside: He benches over 400 pounds, is 6 foot and 220 pounds.


He actually is 6'0 200, not 220

MorKnolle
01-10-2006, 10:13 PM
As far as the OL goes - we can't fix it all overnight. I agree that I would ove to have a top OT (and OG for that matter).
BUT - I want a chance to win the SuperBowl - even if it is at least 4 years from now. The best chance at that is Bush (figuring we fix our other holes over the next 3 years).

What do we need:
Entire OL
TE
WR2
CB2
S
OLB (and MLB?)
DE

We need a LOT - it will take years. But, Bush will give us a chance at upsets and will be that guy that makes defense adjust (or get beat). Plus, with him in the backfield, the rest of our offense will be better.
If we add a good TE, a veteran #2WR and some OL, our offense will be very good. Our defense needs a lot also, but I think the O needs to be fixed first.

#1 Bush
#33 TE (if one of Lewis/Davis/Pope drops, I think at least one drops because 3 TEs in the 1st would be very odd)
Other options: OL - G Jean Giles will be a mauler; any of the forst round OTs that may fall (winston, scott, justice, mcneill and maybe O'callaghan)
#65 best OL (Tutui if he is still there)
#66 BPA
4th rounder - best OL (unless a stud drops)
I realize this mock doesn't cover WR or D, but WR is weak this year and OL is the strongest it has been in at least a decade (DL is decent/LB is ok/S is average/CB is below average).
Last year I would have said trade all our picks for future picks. But, this year I think we need to take the BPA at #1 and #33. Maybe we trade the 3rd rounders, but when we are so weak at OL and so many OL are in this draft it would be hard to do that.

Just a couple points:
1) We need a MLB much more than OLBs, all of our current LBs are OLB, we don't have a true MLB.
2) I really don't like picking a TE at #33. I think our current guys (Rivers and/or Joppru) could be good with a new offensive system, and there are some pretty good, proven TEs available in free agency, and if none of those work out this year then Olsen from Miami will be available in next year's draft, and hopefully we will have two 1st rounders after we trade down this year so we could look at getting a TE then.

YoungTexanFan
01-10-2006, 10:14 PM
He actually is 6'0 200, not 220

20 extra pounds would change his running style and a few opinions on him.

YoungTexanFan
01-10-2006, 10:15 PM
Just a couple points:
1) We need a MLB much more than OLBs, all of our current LBs are OLB, we don't have a true MLB.
2) I really don't like picking a TE at #33. I think our current guys (Rivers and/or Joppru) could be good with a new offensive system, and there are some pretty good, proven TEs available in free agency, and if none of those work out this year then Olsen from Miami will be available in next year's draft, and hopefully we will have two 1st rounders after we trade down this year so we could look at getting a TE then.


GREAT POST!!! I share pretty much EVERY view you just listed.

dat_boy_yec
01-10-2006, 10:18 PM
This is the only small worry I have with Bush is how will he do with only a small fraction of the wiggle room he has enjoyed at USC? DD really has to work for his yardage by boucing off guys and keeping those legs going. I will be curious to see what Bush does. I think at WR he will be able to create better, but can he poke through this line at RB and work his magic?

Actually I think it has already been posted several times. Our line does well when opening holes for the running game. True they aren't always huge gaping holes, but they are there. I don't think he will have to work to hard gaining yardage because if he hits the holes hard enough whenever he's hit his momentum alone should give him another yard or 2. I don't expect him to have the same average as in USC but I think he will do well.

YoungTexanFan
01-10-2006, 10:18 PM
I beg to differ...Most of the recent top 10 OTs (Mike Williams, Jordan Gross, Robert Gallery) have not lived up to the hype they had surrounding them before the draft...Each of them were supposed to be "the next great tackle" and none of them have had any success at protecting their QB's blindside...The thing that these three have going for them, though, is that they had the strength and ability to play either RG or RT, which Ferguson can't do...

Gallery is enjoying knocking the crud out of people at RT right now. He has a mean streak like few others. He will be a stud LT in the league. I have proposed a mock with us aquiring him. Post your thoughts.

ALL 4 of those OT prospects would be the best in this years class. I would take any of them without hesitation.

Xman
01-10-2006, 10:23 PM
I've spent the last week arguing against all the Vince posts and I see i's time for another Reggie one. Davis has had some injury problems, but those have been a result of keeping him in every single play of the game. No other teams do that, they all sub their stars out every once in a while, and that is the reason we have Wells and Morency here, but the coaches still refused to use them. I don't think Davis will be able to average 22 carries a game without maybe having some problems, but he can get 18-20 a game, and Well/Morency are more than capable of coming in for 10 carries a game between them. Davis is not a very good pass blocker, but I don't think they've really worked on that at all with him, not to mention Reggie is not a good pass blocker either and if he's so great at receiving then we don't want him stuck in the backfield blocking. Again, an improved OLine will drastically help that problem. Davis has not had many long runs, but that doesn't mean he can't be an effective RB. In 2004, Curtis Martin led the NFL in rushing with 1697 yards and 12 rushing TDs, and averaged 4.6 yards per carry, yet his longest run of the year was 25 yards. I'm pretty sure 1697 yards, 4.6 ypc, and 12 TDs aren't considered bad by anyone, and his team made the playoffs and won the first round game on the road. Shaun Alexander and Corey Dillon had 1696 and 1635 yards and averaged 4.8 and 4.7 ypc respectively last year, and their longest run on the year was 44 yards. Edgerrin James had 1548 yards and 4.6 ypc and his long was 40 yards. Larry Johnson had 1750 yards, 20 TDs and averaged 5.2 ypc this year and his longest run was 49 yards this year. Clinton Portis had 1516 yards, 11 TDs, and averaged 4.3 ypc this year and his longest run was 47 yards. Edgerrin James this year had 1506 yards, 13 TDs, and averaged 4.2 ypc, and his longest run was 33 yards, as was Rudi Johnson's longest run, and he had 1458 yards and 12 TDs this year. RBs don't always have to break long runs to be effective. Davis did not have many rushing TDs this year, but he did have another 4 receiving TDs, plus the offense was horrible this year and was rarely in position for him to score. Finally, Bush is not 220, he is listed at 200. I rarely if ever saw him run inside, and most any RB in the NFL can bench press 400 lbs, plus there is a difference between 5-10 200 lbs. and 6-0 200 lbs. Anyways, that's it for now. Thanks for giving me a break from arguing against all these Vince posts. I am a fan of trading down, but if we stay at #1 I'm all for drafting Reggie Bush rather than Vince Young, I can at least see how he can come in and improve the team and add something to it without having to remove one of our four best players.

IF we got a GREAT offer, then I could see us taking it. But it would have to be way more than the Pick Point Chart suggest is fair.
It would be hard to turn down the #9 pick and Roy Williams (assume we take Winston at #9, then a TE at #33, sign a free agent guard or two and our offense would look good when everyone was healthy). Our D would suck, but that would be a problem for next year (just call us the Rams South)

As far as size: I think he adds 20 or so pounds of muscle over the next 2 years - like most young RBs.

I think the downside scenario is Tiki Barber, but with more speed. I would spend my #1 pick on that. Upside scenario is a stronger version of Faulk, which could be scary.

MorKnolle
01-10-2006, 10:34 PM
IF we got a GREAT offer, then I could see us taking it. But it would have to be way more than the Pick Point Chart suggest is fair.
It would be hard to turn down the #9 pick and Roy Williams (assume we take Winston at #9, then a TE at #33, sign a free agent guard or two and our offense would look good when everyone was healthy). Our D would suck, but that would be a problem for next year (just call us the Rams South)

As far as size: I think he adds 20 or so pounds of muscle over the next 2 years - like most young RBs.

I think the downside scenario is Tiki Barber, but with more speed. I would spend my #1 pick on that. Upside scenario is a stronger version of Faulk, which could be scary.

Bush could add 20 pounds, but anything more than 10 or so will start decreasing his speed/agility a little. I agree though, if we get a good enough trade (and I think it is very likely we will) then I say we trade down and improve the rest of our team, but if not then we draft Reggie at #1.

JDizzle
01-10-2006, 10:45 PM
Just a couple points:
1) We need a MLB much more than OLBs, all of our current LBs are OLB, we don't have a true MLB.
2) I really don't like picking a TE at #33. I think our current guys (Rivers and/or Joppru) could be good with a new offensive system, and there are some pretty good, proven TEs available in free agency, and if none of those work out this year then Olsen from Miami will be available in next year's draft, and hopefully we will have two 1st rounders after we trade down this year so we could look at getting a TE then.

I disagree with your TE assessment. I can't really find a reason to put much faith in Rivers and Joppru for obvious reasons, and Bruener isn't and was never a long-term solution at TE. IMO we need a complete TE more than we need another receiver, which is why I've been warming up to Leonard Pope more and more. Davis is gone in the first, the guy is a freak, Lewis may or m ay not be there, who knows, but there's a very good chance Pope is there for us in round 2. I think Texans fans need to accept the fact that Joppru probably won't work out for us.

I will agree with your statement on a need for an ILB, that ranks up there with OL and DE. Now, say we were to trade back to #4, and Ferguson, Hawk, and Williams are sitting there, who do you take? Tough choice! I would take Mario Williams, because a) IMO he's the best defensive player coming out this year, and b) that gives you 3 guys in Peek, Babin, and Orr who we could evaluate at the other side and possibly move one to LB in a 4-3. I think Orr and Peek would probably end up on the other side if no other personnel moves are made because Babin doesn't have that explosiveness that effective DE's have, but who knows, he could slim up some and have a crack at Linebacker.

mes311
01-10-2006, 10:58 PM
I don't think we will have a good measure of these guys measurables (Ht. Wt) until the combine or pro day. Bush could be more like 5'11, 190. It's hard to tell looking at a guy in pads.

MorKnolle
01-11-2006, 09:35 AM
I disagree with your TE assessment. I can't really find a reason to put much faith in Rivers and Joppru for obvious reasons, and Bruener isn't and was never a long-term solution at TE. IMO we need a complete TE more than we need another receiver, which is why I've been warming up to Leonard Pope more and more. Davis is gone in the first, the guy is a freak, Lewis may or m ay not be there, who knows, but there's a very good chance Pope is there for us in round 2. I think Texans fans need to accept the fact that Joppru probably won't work out for us.

I will agree with your statement on a need for an ILB, that ranks up there with OL and DE. Now, say we were to trade back to #4, and Ferguson, Hawk, and Williams are sitting there, who do you take? Tough choice! I would take Mario Williams, because a) IMO he's the best defensive player coming out this year, and b) that gives you 3 guys in Peek, Babin, and Orr who we could evaluate at the other side and possibly move one to LB in a 4-3. I think Orr and Peek would probably end up on the other side if no other personnel moves are made because Babin doesn't have that explosiveness that effective DE's have, but who knows, he could slim up some and have a crack at Linebacker.

If we stay at #4, I'd likely take Mario Williams, assuming he puts up good workout numbers and we switch to a 4-3. He is big enough to play 3-4 DL but it would be a waste of his athletic abilities. I could see taking a OT at #4, although I prefer Eric Winston and I think we could trade down again to like #7-10 and get him there (San Francisco/Oakland, Buffalo, Detroit, Arizona could all look to move up and grab Mario or else get Ferguson or someone else). I don't like taking Hawk at #4 at all, and I'm not a huge fan of his anyways, he's another OLB that we already have an abundance of and he's not a freak of nature like LaVar Arrington was, so I definitely would not take him at #4 and likely wouldn't take him at all in the top 10. As for TEs, I think Rivers started showing an ability to catch the ball and run with it at the end of the year when they finally allowed him to do so. He is fairly big and decent at blocking and is pretty good at catching the ball. He's doesn't have great speed like Gates or Gonzalez and doesn't run routes real well, but I think the route running can be fixed with coaching, so I think he can be a decent option. Joppru was supposed to be a very good TE out of college that could catch and block, and since he's under contract thru 2006 I say we give him one more chance, although obviously with his injury situation I'm not counting on him being healthy. Bruener is, always has been, and always will be a blocking TE, and he's one of the best in the NFL. Either way, we could use an upgrade at TE but I think we have more important issues to address with our top four picks than TE (2 OL, DB, DE like Mario if we go that route), and I don't see any 4th round TEs being an upgrade over what we have, although if one is available in the 4th-7th rounds then I have no problem taking one there. Plus, there are some that should be available in free agency, Billy Miller, Teyo Johnson, Randy McMichael, etc. so we can look there for a TE if our new coach doesn't feel our current guys can make it in our system.

Glacier
01-11-2006, 09:48 AM
Wow, wake up from the media induced mindless zombie brain washing.......


Reggie Bush was NOT the featured runner at USC. Reggie Bush was NOT the work horse back that people play him up to be. Reggie Bush WAS the benificiary of a real NFL sure thing prospect in LenDale White wearing down defenses and softening things up for Reggie Bush to blow up on.

Is Reggie Bush a good runner? Yes.

Is Reggie Bush durable? Unknown - he never was the work horse - LenDale white was.

Is Reggie Bush versitile? Sure.

LenDale White / D. Davis combo sounds much more devistating than the Reggie Bush / D. Davis Combo.

LenDale white WILL wear defenses down. LenDale white WILL get tough yards between the tackles. LenDale white WILL created opportunities for DD to shread defenses as well as protect DD vs injury by keeping him fresh. LenDale White WILL move the chains. (fine print ****unless a defense calls an all out run blitz and completely sells out to stop him with 11 men on the line of scrimage.** :P )

People underestimate how much LenDale White contributed to Reggie Bush's success.

Isn't it interesting that when the game was on the line, 2 yards needed, the possibility for college football immortality at stake, the USC coaching staff, who KNOWS THEIR TALENT BETTER THAN ANYONE, Opted for LenDale White in the back field?

Big B Texan Fan
01-11-2006, 09:52 AM
Having Reggie share the B-Field with DD is moe like a 1/1 punch, not a 1/2 punch.