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BREAZE
01-10-2006, 12:54 PM
This does not seem to get talked about a lot. The Texans intend to exercise Carr’s option, but what does he intend to do or better yet…what would be best for Carr? Carr has an opportunity to stay and prove a lot of folks wrong in a new system, but does the risk outweigh the reward? Right now you have local polls saying bring in VY, you have local sports writers saying bring in VY, you have local sports writers (whom you may have personal strong relationships with) saying bring VY home. (anti-VY people for just once please don’t get offended by fact). You may be confident you can turn things around, yet the VY debate will never go away. You will have to face VY at least twice a year if he becomes a Titan (once at home…uh boy). You could possibly be looking over your back and never fully win over the fans.

Or…you can get a change of scenery that’s possibly even closer to the west coast. You could play for a team that was not 2-14 last year. You could play for a team with an O-line already established and a system already in place for quick success. Most importantly, you would feel wanted and rightfully so. You could shut up critics pretty quickly here and everywhere else if you are truly confident in your abilities.

I am personally on the fence as to whether Carr is damaged beyond repair. He is going to need to learn some things he has not been able to work on like looking off receivers, going through progressions, being a better leader, and such. A clean slate would allow for this to take place a lot sooner than as a Texan where the hill may not have a top.

Carr has been on his back more that most porn stars these last 4 years and yet he rarely ever complained. His character has always been his #1 asset in my book, but if I was Carr I would want out. However, knowing what we know about him he would probably be stand up, compliment the Texans for their Texas pride towards VY, and give us all he had…

SBTexans08
01-10-2006, 12:59 PM
Said he's willing to wait and see what the Texans want to do before he does anything. Texans have first dibs in his heart....where it matters most.

Dennis007
01-10-2006, 01:02 PM
This does not seem to get talked about a lot. The Texans intend to exercise Carr’s option, but what does he intend to do or better yet…what would be best for Carr? Carr has an opportunity to stay and prove a lot of folks wrong in a new system, but does the risk outweigh the reward? Right now you have local polls saying bring in VY, you have local sports writers saying bring in VY, you have local sports writers (whom you may have personal strong relationships with) saying bring VY home. (anti-VY people for just once please don’t get offended by fact). You may be confident you can turn things around, yet the VY debate will never go away. You will have to face VY at least twice a year if he becomes a Titan (once at home…uh boy). You could possibly be looking over your back and never fully win over the fans.

Or…you can get a change of scenery that’s possibly even closer to the west coast. You could play for a team that was not 2-14 last year. You could play for a team with an O-line already established and a system already in place for quick success. Most importantly, you would feel wanted and rightfully so. You could shut up critics pretty quickly here and everywhere else if you are truly confident in your abilities.

I am personally on the fence as to whether Carr is damaged beyond repair. He is going to need to learn some things he has not been able to work on like looking off receivers, going through progressions, being a better leader, and such. A clean slate would allow for this to take place a lot sooner than as a Texan where the hill may not have a top.

Carr has been on his back more that most porn stars these last 4 years and yet he rarely ever complained. His character has always been his #1 asset in my book, but if I was Carr I would want out. However, knowing what we know about him he would probably be stand up, compliment the Texans for their Texas pride towards VY, and give us all he had…

When I talked to him he said, he 's quitting football to do commercials full time because he's getting paid to do nothing just like being the QB for the Texans, only he doesn't mess up his hair.

But he did say he plans on being at the games with a Vince Young jersey.. He's excited too!


LOL!!:coolb:

Buffi2
01-10-2006, 01:25 PM
When I talked to him he said, he 's quitting football to do commercials full time because he's getting paid to do nothing just like being the QB for the Texans, only he doesn't mess up his hair.

But he did say he plans on being at the games with a Vince Young jersey.. He's excited too!


LOL!!:coolb:
He doesn't want to move because it is entirely too much trouble to pack up everything and find a new home with three kids, a mom and dad, a brother and sister-in-law and their kids. Entirely too much effort required.:rolleyes:

bullman
01-10-2006, 01:26 PM
When I talked to him he said, he 's quitting football to do commercials full time because he's getting paid to do nothing just like being the QB for the Texans, only he doesn't mess up his hair.

But he did say he plans on being at the games with a Vince Young jersey.. He's excited too!


LOL!!:coolb:
This is a sorry thread why dont you just get off Carr's back, vy wont be coming so get over it and close this sorry BS THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eriadoc
01-10-2006, 01:27 PM
Carr will be a winning QB, with this franchise or the next. He has the tools - all he needs is a team to work with him. This team has done very little to allow him to develop, much less actually develop him.

The Dream
01-10-2006, 01:52 PM
When I talked to him he said, he 's quitting football to do commercials full time because he's getting paid to do nothing just like being the QB for the Texans, only he doesn't mess up his hair.

But he did say he plans on being at the games with a Vince Young jersey.. He's excited too!


LOL!!


I personally thought this was funny, but to get to the topic......I think a change of scenary would be great for Carr, because if we get Vince, the fans will boo him everytime he makes a mistake, and then start chanting "We Want Vince!!!" and if we don't get Vince, they might do the same damn thing (possibly even worst)......Carr has had his time here, and most fans (like myself) are tired of the same lame excuses put up for this guy.....he has so many things that need improvement, and I honestly don't see why we should bring this guy back for the 5 or 8 mil.........I say let Carr go, sign another FA QB, draft Vince, and go from there.

Runner
01-10-2006, 01:58 PM
I think he is excited about the possibility of a new system. You will not believe me when I say this, but I do have it firsthand that he was often frustrated with the old playcalling and system and blocking.


Him and just about every other player on the team, I imagine.

Texas
01-10-2006, 02:06 PM
Everyone is talking about VY and dismissing Carr or drafting bush, but what will happen with DD?

kingh99
01-10-2006, 02:07 PM
You say this thing or that about David Carr. Fact is most fans are ready to send him packing. He's about as charismatic as a styrofoam cup. I figure people will remember him for oh say, they won't remember him. This isn't a knock against his skill set or attitude or guts. If everyone had 'it', it wouldn't be it.

Dennis007
01-10-2006, 02:08 PM
You say this thing or that about David Carr. Fact is most fans are ready to send him packing. He's about as charismatic as a styrofoam cup. I figure people will remember him for oh say, they won't remember him. This isn't a knock against his skill set or attitude or guts. If everyone had 'it', it wouldn't be it.


:redtowel:

Dennis007
01-10-2006, 02:28 PM
If only life were a video game ...

If only dealing players was as easy as choosing and pressing the X button.

If only your mistakes could so easily be fixed as in pressing Reset.

If only you could turn down your opponent's skill sliders, make your QB the untouchable, undeniable, incredible, primo beast of a demigod that you would envision him to be.

If only 73,000 fans in your sold-out Reliant Arena would all get on their feet to cheer for Vince Young and his 16-0 Houston Texans as you cruised through the playoffs on Starter level.

Check the avatar, and take my bet, if you dare. You and every other @$@#%####@!#$@#@@#@# Longhorn fan on this board.

Fifty dollars says Vince won't be wearing a Texans jersey this year.

If only fixing the Texans was as easy as swallowing this little blue pill.

Spoken like a true Texan fan. Give Carr 3 more years so we can master 0-16! We're well on our way!:ok:

edo783
01-10-2006, 03:00 PM
Or not. Hell, maybe I am talking out my ***. Maybe they don't matter at all.

DANG, y'all might be onto something. Think of the cap savings!

CaptainPatriot
01-10-2006, 05:02 PM
Carr will be a winning QB, with this franchise or the next. He has the tools - all he needs is a team to work with him. This team has done very little to allow him to develop, much less actually develop him.


What tools? He can`t read defenses. Thats a big tool not to have!
He misses WR`s who are wide open at times. Or he throws the ball too hard when it needs to have some air under the ball. How many times has he had his passes batted down at the line of scrimmage? When there is a defender in his face he panics instead of sliding to the right or left. I can go on and on. He reminds me of Tony Eason for the PATS back in the day. Always looking at the rush instead of the WR`s routes .He is at best a good backup some where else like Kitna is.

Texizgreat
01-10-2006, 05:30 PM
I am not ready to give up on Carr but I do think if the Texans do not "attempt" to beef up that O-line he should looks else where before he gets put in a wheelchair for good. Poor Guys gets to count stadium lights 5 times a game. Even Thiesman said it don't matter who is behind that line the Texans o-line will ruin him.

I wish Carr could speak his mind and let us know what he really thinks, but he is a good company man and totes the line.

Runner
01-10-2006, 07:28 PM
I am not ready to give up on Carr but I do think if the Texans do not "attempt" to beef up that O-line he should looks else where before he gets put in a wheelchair for good. Poor Guys gets to count stadium lights 5 times a game. Even Thiesman said it don't matter who is behind that line the Texans o-line will ruin him.

I wish Carr could speak his mind and let us know what he really thinks, but he is a good company man and totes the line.

I'm pretty sure if Carr had anything to say about it the past season he wouldn't have requested Riley at LT.

TexansTrueFan
01-10-2006, 07:34 PM
the way carr has been talking he plans on beign here next year, so i dont think he wants to go anywhere, plus him AJ, D. Davis have great chemistry and when all healthy like in 04 they can win some games.

texplayer2
01-10-2006, 07:39 PM
What tools? He can`t read defenses. Thats a big tool not to have!
He misses WR`s who are wide open at times. Or he throws the ball too hard when it needs to have some air under the ball. How many times has he had his passes batted down at the line of scrimmage? When there is a defender in his face he panics instead of sliding to the right or left. I can go on and on. He reminds me of Tony Eason for the PATS back in the day. Always looking at the rush instead of the WR`s routes .He is at best a good backup some where else like Kitna is.

Early in the season I saw him throw the most beautiful spiral I have seen and it hit his receiver right in the back of his head.(He never even looked back for the ball.) The guy is getting no help when he does get the ball off.

CaptainPatriot
01-10-2006, 08:59 PM
Early in the season I saw him throw the most beautiful spiral I have seen and it hit his receiver right in the back of his head.(He never even looked back for the ball.) The guy is getting no help when he does get the ball off.


I bet it wasn`t in the 4th Q when the game was on the line. That doesn`t happen to often. There were a few close games this yr.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 09:01 PM
I bet it wasn`t in the 4th Q when the game was on the line. That doesn`t happen to often. There were a few close games this yr.


Actually he hit Corey Bradford right in the hands for the game winning touchdown at the end of the Jags game that was dropped.

Tulip
01-10-2006, 09:09 PM
Early in the season I saw him throw the most beautiful spiral I have seen and it hit his receiver right in the back of his head.(He never even looked back for the ball.) The guy is getting no help when he does get the ball off.

He's also thrown the ball at the receivers' feet 5-10 yards past the line of scrimmage.

dat_boy_yec
01-10-2006, 09:28 PM
Everyone talks about how Carr can't pass, but what about the receivers. Bradford is a glaring example dropping more **** than birds, but he's not the only one, Mathis and Johnson have dropped a few. What about the pass Rivers should have caught, but tipped up in the air letting the other team get the interception. Carr has a good arm, what was Mathis' first pass caught for a touchdown, I thought it was beautiful. The passes that went to Bradford and Johnson for 50 yd+ touchdowns. The guy has done good things here, but all anybody here wants to see is the negative. I don't know why everybody dislikes the guy. He's shown great character and class as well as talent. Reading defenses wrong would not have yielded him the great periods of play during which he called the plays at the line.

At first I thought it would be nice to get VY, but now I think I would hate to see that. Because if that happened that would show what kind of fans are the majority here in houston.

CaptainPatriot
01-10-2006, 09:32 PM
Actually he hit Corey Bradford right in the hands for the game winning touchdown at the end of the Jags game that was dropped.

I thought that was for the tie to make it 21-21
we can knit pick all day long. The Bottom line is Carr is just not consistant.
You can have the best O-Line and the best running back in the league Carr just doesn`t make the right decisions. He would still throw to the 1st WR he sees in his sight. How often have you seen him transition from 1 WR to the next? I don`t want to hear that he doesn`t have time to throw. All that means is he can`t read the blitz coming and check off to the WR`s on quick slants. Don`t say well his WR aren`t looking for the Blitz either. Isn`t that were leadership should kick in by Carr and instruct the WR`s to look at thier keys? Instead of coming to the bench all mad yanking off his chin strap or slammin the ball to the ground.This guy has 4 yrs under his belt now. His actions on the field just don`t look like a leader to me .

wiley2002
01-10-2006, 09:46 PM
I thought that was for the tie to make it 21-21
we can knit pick all day long. The Bottom line is Carr is just not consistant.
You can have the best O-Line and the best running back in the league Carr just doesn`t make the right decisions. He would still throw to the 1st WR he sees in his sight. How often have you seen him transition from 1 WR to the next? I don`t want to hear that he doesn`t have time to throw. All that means is he can`t read the blitz coming and check off to the WR`s on quick slants. Don`t say well his WR aren`t looking for the Blitz either. Isn`t that were leadership should kick in by Carr and instruct the WR`s to look at thier keys? Instead of coming to the bench all mad yanking off his chin strap or slammin the ball to the ground.This guy has 4 yrs under his belt now. His actions on the field just don`t look like a leader to me .
That's where an offensive minded coach like Gary Kuibak could turn him around. Carr does make the mistakes you have just mentioned but I believe it has been due to poor coaching. We can argue about this for a year. Let's just see how this season plays out.

CaptainPatriot
01-29-2006, 12:13 PM
That's where an offensive minded coach like Gary Kuibak could turn him around. Carr does make the mistakes you have just mentioned but I believe it has been due to poor coaching. We can argue about this for a year. Let's just see how this season plays out.


You can't so called "coach” decision making under pressure in the 4th Q. How many times have you seen great QB`s (IE:Brady , Montana and Bradshaw)in the 4th Q game on the line sit in the pocket knowing they are going to get hit by a blitzing LB and wait for that last split second before getting hit in the chest and driven into the ground not knowing if the catch had been made and hit the WR for 30 yards down the field. Carr sees the blitzing LB and panics instead of side stepping the LB and step up into the pocket to make the throw. He instead is long gone running out of bounds. Slamming the ball to the ground and Bi*ching about not having time to throw!

Wolf
01-29-2006, 12:26 PM
You can't so called "coach” decision making under pressure in the 4th Q. How many times have you seen great QB`s (IE:Brady , Montana and Bradshaw)in the 4th Q game on the line sit in the pocket knowing they are going to get hit by a blitzing LB and wait for that last split second before getting hit in the chest and driven into the ground not knowing if the catch had been made and hit the WR for 30 yards down the field. Carr sees the blitzing LB and panics instead of side stepping the LB and step up into the pocket to make the throw. He instead is long gone running out of bounds. Slamming the ball to the ground and Bi*ching about not having time to throw!


and those Qb's you mention had line of Riley/pitts/mckinney/weigart/wade???

also you are comparing Carr to great ..unfair... I don't know about the rest of y'all.. I want a solid QB, if he were to become great ..fine, I'd love it, but right now, i'd like to see solid.
Btw .. you mention those QB's.. I don't see jones/rathman,craig,rice,tayor ...or I don't see stallworth/harris/swan..or even the Patriots crew..


It really helps if a QB trusts his line (like the Qb's you mentioned) Carr doesn't trust his .. I am not saying Carr is the next great thing, but I think it is an unfair comparison.

rockabilly
01-29-2006, 12:32 PM
Is everyone forgetting that ONE quarter the clown coaching crew ALLOWED Carr to call his own plays. Most points scored in a quarter in Texans history. It's not Carr. You will see his ability if this next coaching staff is as good as we all hope. Plus you cant throw completions if nobody is catching (ala Bradford, and YES, even Johnson too this past season.)

run-david-run
01-29-2006, 12:35 PM
Actually he hit Corey Bradford right in the hands for the game winning touchdown at the end of the Jags game that was dropped.
Hey now, dont bring that up, it was DC's fault for not throwing the ball to AJ, who was double covered over the middle of the field, with no timeouts and 3 yards short of the marker on 4th down. Beleive it ot not, we had a week-long debate over that!! People acctually used that as ammo against Carr..go figure...

run-david-run
01-29-2006, 12:39 PM
and those Qb's you mention had line of Riley/pitts/mckinney/weigart/wade???

also you are comparing Carr to great ..unfair... I don't know about the rest of y'all.. I want a solid QB, if he were to become great ..fine, I'd love it, but right now, i'd like to see solid.
Btw .. you mention those QB's.. I don't see jones/rathman,craig,rice,tayor ...or I don't see stallworth/harris/swan..or even the Patriots crew..


It really helps if a QB trusts his line (like the Qb's you mentioned) Carr doesn't trust his .. I am not saying Carr is the next great thing, but I think it is an unfair comparison.
You have to love how people deulte the facts to find thier argumeent. One of the main knocks on Carr in terms of allowing sacks is that he waits too long before throwing the ball away, giving up on the play. However, when someone is trying to say he isnt good enough or whatever argument you're making now, they say that he bails out to quickly or panics...lol...please, pick one argument and stick with it, this is getting silly.

Wolf
01-29-2006, 12:48 PM
You have to love how people deulte the facts to find thier argumeent. One of the main knocks on Carr in terms of allowing sacks is that he waits too long before throwing the ball away, giving up on the play. However, when someone is trying to say he isnt good enough or whatever argument you're making now, they say that he bails out to quickly or panics...lol...please, pick one argument and stick with it, this is getting silly.
I agree with you and yes Carr has trouble reading a defenses and stuff. I see that Carr causes himself to get into trouble.. I try to think of what goes in his head.

on our base set now.
well I got AJ doubled... my TE is helping the line block and Bradford has the speed to stretch the field..whether he catches it or not is another thing..and I have DD...solid chain mover but no one to break one..so defenses don't stress of over DD.. so what they do is cut the field in half ,well with our pass protection (no TE also)the field gets cut to possibly a quarter for Carr to work with.. well that is Bradford that they leave open and he can't get past the defensive backs quicker than Carr can get to his 5 step drop without having a D-linemen on him..

Lord,I hope we get OL and TE atleast on the offensive side
:brickwall

I am not saying Carr is the next best thing,but if my though pattern is right, I dont' see how any QB can succeed or have a chance to succeed over 60 minutes.

bigTEXan8
01-29-2006, 12:54 PM
You have to love how people deulte the facts to find thier argumeent. One of the main knocks on Carr in terms of allowing sacks is that he waits too long before throwing the ball away, giving up on the play. However, when someone is trying to say he isnt good enough or whatever argument you're making now, they say that he bails out to quickly or panics...lol...please, pick one argument and stick with it, this is getting silly.

I find that funny 'cause he usually onlyl has like, 1.5 seconds to throw the ball. So, that's not really diluting the facts as it is stating the blaintently, blind, dumb, and deaf people could notice, obvious. I just want to get this straight: He should still be able to throw the ball after he's been beaten into the ground...? I have to go back and re-read the rules of football.