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eriadoc
01-10-2006, 10:49 AM
John Granato just said on the morning show that he asked Capers what the deal was with Todd Wade. Capers' response was that he wasn't a very good straight-ahead blocker and he wasn't very good in pass protection.

:hairpull:

TheOgre
01-10-2006, 10:54 AM
Capers or Casserly?

eriadoc
01-10-2006, 10:55 AM
Capers.

Jack Bauer
01-10-2006, 10:55 AM
Capers or Casserly?

What I would like to know is why they couldn't see this when he was with the Dolphins???

Runner
01-10-2006, 10:56 AM
What I would like to know is why they couldn't see this when he was with the Dolphins???

Because he regressed here?

Meisterman
01-10-2006, 10:56 AM
Todd Wade = one more reason to FIRE Casserly. :challenge

Jack Bauer
01-10-2006, 11:02 AM
Because he regressed here?

Not really my point, but I see what you are saying.

Runner
01-10-2006, 11:11 AM
I don't know that Todd Wade is a particularly bad lineman ... but then he isn't particularly good. If I am not mistaken he is however one of the more highly paid linemen in the league ... good job, Cass.

Last year I thought the coaches felt they had to start him because of his salary. Hopefully the new coaches, who weren't part of the "acquire Wade" decision, will be comfortable with his expensive salary on the bench unless he earns playing time.

Double Barrel
01-10-2006, 11:48 AM
hey now, Casserly watched at least four game tapes on Todd Wade. Just so you know that he's been "thoroughly" evaluated. :ok:

Is there a Fire Casserly Club, yet?

Hervoyel
01-10-2006, 11:57 AM
Todd Wade will be vindicated when he gets to play for a coach who knows what he's doing. You don't start 63 games in four years for a team that's winning if you aren't a very good straight-ahead blocker and stink at pass protection.

Capers comments will probably demonstrate how out of touch he was with the day to day process of coaching the players as opposed to making Wade look bad when it's all said and done.

bdiddy
01-10-2006, 12:00 PM
Todd Wade will be vindicated when he gets to play for a coach who knows what he's doing. You don't start 63 games in four years for a team that's winning if you aren't a very good straight-ahead blocker and stink at pass protection.

Capers comments will probably demonstrate how out of touch he was with the day to day process of coaching the players as opposed to making Wade look bad when it's all said and done.

Todd Wade plays too high and his feet are average at best. However, his biggest problem is that he is ill suited to play in the zone blocking scheme. I think Wade is a mediocre RT that could improve to be adequate with proper coaching. He has the potential to be a decent pass blocker. He is already a reasonable run blocker.

Kaiser Toro
01-10-2006, 01:58 PM
Todd Wade will be vindicated when he gets to play for a coach who knows what he's doing. You don't start 63 games in four years for a team that's winning if you aren't a very good straight-ahead blocker and stink at pass protection.

Capers comments will probably demonstrate how out of touch he was with the day to day process of coaching the players as opposed to making Wade look bad when it's all said and done.

Exactly Herv, unless there is something in the Houston water. Overpaid, most likely. Forgot how to play, unlikely.

Jack Bauer
01-10-2006, 02:00 PM
Todd Wade will be vindicated when he gets to play for a coach who knows what he's doing. You don't start 63 games in four years for a team that's winning if you aren't a very good straight-ahead blocker and stink at pass protection.

Capers comments will probably demonstrate how out of touch he was with the day to day process of coaching the players as opposed to making Wade look bad when it's all said and done.

Herv, you put into words what I was trying to say. Sometimes I just don't get my point across! :)

BTW, I love the new avatar! Hilarious!

Xman
01-10-2006, 02:05 PM
Why don't we trade him back to the dolphins.

We take the cap hit for the signing bonus. But, that allows Miami to carry him at a lower cost (only yearly salary) AND they can cut him at any time without any penalty.

Maybe we get a 4th round pick or Ricky Williams (no idea what his trade value is - and maybe we trade him after we get him or keep him as a complement to Bush/DD). Might offer them Greenwood back also if they would give us a decent draft pick (that cap hit would hurt but we could absorb it and be rid of it).

nunusguy
01-10-2006, 02:22 PM
Because he regressed here?
Usually OLinemen don't go backwards when they are still under 30, but
maybe Wade is different.

keyfro
01-10-2006, 02:29 PM
well maybe instead of trading him we let coach k take him and the rest of the o-line under him and his new o-line coach and correct all the problems that joe pendry did...look at what denver has been able to do with their line over the years...kubiak knows how to make o-lineman block...he'll be able to fix not only carr but o-lineman like wade and weigert

Runner
01-10-2006, 02:31 PM
Usually OLinemen don't go backwards when they are still under 30, but
maybe Wade is different.

I wasn't nearly as clear as I wanted to be with that short post. I'm not necessarily blaming Wade for the regression. Given the number of players the Texans have who are in the same boat, I'd be willing to accept it was the coaching/scheme that caused any regression.

If the new coaches come in and do an honest evaluation of the players, which IMO they will, we will get an answer to some of these "talent" questions. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised by some players that we already have.

eriadoc
01-10-2006, 02:49 PM
My frustration at hearing the radio comments was not directed at Todd Wade. If Todd Wade was truly that bad a lineman (and he was, this year), then why did you not see that prior to signing him? Did you not do your homework? And if you did your homework (as I suspect they did), then did it ever occur to you to ask WHY he played at one level with Miami and a much lower level while here? Did Capers and staff really think that he lost his talent? Talent is not something that you lose - you either have it or you do not. If you do, you will eventually fall victim to injuries or Father Time, or both, but you won't suddenly become a talentless bum.

The players that I think we'll find out are not as bad as people think (in no particular order) --

Wade
Wand
DDavis
Gaffney
Babin
Greenwood

Kaiser Toro
01-10-2006, 03:05 PM
The players that I think we'll find out are not as bad as people think (in no particular order) --

Wade
Wand
DDavis
Gaffney
Babin
Greenwood

I will have to bite my tongue on other players that should be on this list. ;)

bdiddy
01-10-2006, 03:08 PM
I will have to bite my tongue on other players that should be on this list. ;)

Peek will also be a freak if allowed to concentrate on pass rushing as a passing situation DE. I also think that Joppru if (ok, big IF) could be a major contributor.

eriadoc
01-10-2006, 03:11 PM
I will have to bite my tongue on other players that should be on this list. ;)

Ahh well, I did leave Carr off that list, didn't I? I'm officially adding him now :) . I maintain my stance that no quarterback, given the same set of circumstances from 2002 until now, would have done any better than Carr. And I do think that Kubiak will show everyone that Carr is a pretty good QB.

The fun part will be seeing who is willing to admit they were wrong and who is not.

powda
01-10-2006, 05:08 PM
i'd like to see wade given a chance at guard. he clearly dosent have the lateral quickness or proper technique (take ur pick) to play either tackle spot.

i'd hate for the team to have to eat that salary for another season and have a poor performance in return again. in my eyes all im really wanting out of him at this point is a functional performance while kubiak matures a guard for a season (probably a 3rd round pick).

LT: pitts
LG: wade
C: mckinney/hodgen (let the best man win)
RG: weigert
RT: free agent/rookie?

i dunno what to think at this point in regard to our line...but i do feel like carr will continue to regress unless the o-line can provide a 40-45 sack or less kinda season...

what i do know is wade dosent come close to fitting the mold of a denver lineman:

poor lateral quickness or technique (take ur pick)
oversized
overpaid
underperforming

GP
01-10-2006, 05:59 PM
A good left tackle (consistent) solves a lot of problems.

It's really THAT easy.

When teams have to dedicate two defensive lineman to the offense's left tackle (trying to penetrate and get the blind side sack/fumble) to overpower the left tackle...it leaves the other offensive linemen with usually only one other defensive lineman to block...AND they can sometimes gang up and double team and really smack down the d line.

Wade is a run blocker. Period. He was brought here as such, and he's a god zone blocker for the run. He gets a lot of flow going to his side and that allows DD or whomever to cut back like you're supposed to as a zone-scheme RB.

Yes, he has to pass block. But don't get down on a guy for not being strong at something he wasn't good at to begin with. It's al about "trade-offs" and Wade is worth his pay for the run block talent.

You see, that's my whole point abot this Bush-Young controsversy: Hardly anybody cares to look at the factor of a great left tackle and how much it helps the entire team.

Instead, people want Carr to walk the plank and draft a guy who hasn't played a down of NFL football...and they want Young behind basically the SAME line as Carr. Very odd.

powda
01-10-2006, 06:04 PM
He gets a lot of flow going to his side


i have no idea what that means ,and i suspect a gm would laugh at me if that was my arrgument for drafting a player.

your most dominant run blocker is typically a rg.

Runner
01-10-2006, 08:25 PM
When teams have to dedicate two defensive lineman to the offense's left tackle (trying to penetrate and get the blind side sack/fumble) to overpower the left tackle...it leaves the other offensive linemen with usually only one other defensive lineman to block...AND they can sometimes gang up and double team and really smack down the d line.



I can't think of any team that uses their left tackle to block two people unless there is a foul up by the left guard or a missed blitz pick-up.

Other than that, yes LT is key.

Hervoyel
01-10-2006, 08:27 PM
i'd like to see wade given a chance at guard. he clearly dosent have the lateral quickness or proper technique (take ur pick) to play either tackle spot.

That's all good and everything but how did he get it done in Miami? What was different there? Those are just questions I'm trying to find answers to. How did the man get 63 starts at RT in four years if he's this bad?

What does Miami do that made him work there? I really want to find out the answer to that question.

Runner
01-10-2006, 08:42 PM
That's all good and everything but how did he get it done in Miami? What was different there? Those are just questions I'm trying to find answers to. How did the man get 63 starts at RT in four years if he's this bad?

What does Miami do that made him work there? I really want to find out the answer to that question.

I don't know - here's another theory I hope somebody can shoot down:

Do you think he understood our offense?

edo783
01-10-2006, 08:54 PM
Do you think he understood our offense?

We had an offense??? Ive seen better schemes in the sandlot. No wonder they were all POed about it. Itwas obviouse Carr was frustrated with the incompetent game planning and play calling.

YoungTexanFan
01-10-2006, 09:46 PM
Is there a Fire Casserly Club, yet?

There should be, and I want to be one of the charter members. I'm going to bring this up to people who understand the computer enough to make a new avitor for me.

GP
01-10-2006, 10:09 PM
I guess we're just going to pick a different player each week to rag on.

I swear....NO TEXAN PLAYER is safe around here.

I've seen boredom before, but I guess if we are getting down to a Todd Wade thread, then that's when it's hit the boredom stage around here.

The guy is a great run blocker. Period.

I'd rather pay a guy a lot of money to do ONE THING really well than to do a bunch of things half-hearted or less than stellar.

Are you people just pulling names out of a hat each week as to who gets the "Why are we paying so-and-so to play here?" thread?

Sometimes I think people post threads just to start a fight and create some sort of debate when there's not really one to be had. This is one of those times.

edo783
01-10-2006, 11:25 PM
The guy is a great run blocker. Period.

I'd rather pay a guy a lot of money to do ONE THING really well than to do a bunch of things half-hearted or less than stellar.

That run blocking ability is why I think he would do better at Gaurd. He would get some help in the pass blocking department by not having to move so far with the rush types. Probably would hold up better, maybe even well.

keyfro
01-10-2006, 11:36 PM
i think one thing has to be kept in mind and that is even if we trade down and draft ferguson he won't be a better LT than pitts his first year...as for wade being tried at either G position i think that's just silly...wade is 6'8'' that's just simply too tall for a Guard...wade is either a RT or a bust...i think he'll progress with kubiak's o-line coach and will being our fixture at RT for many years to come...i think the majority of our line problems come from a center that doesn't know how to call and recognize blitz pick up...the last few games of the season we had rich gannon as our commentator...he made this observation and i think he hit the nail right on the head...the majority of our line problems come from mis-communication from the center position...who is in charge of making line calls to pick up blitzes...mckinney has done a horrible job of that these past 4 years...we need to get a new center...whether that's hodgdon...a new center in the draft...or the top FA center...or maybe even trading for one with another player like gary walker

eriadoc
01-11-2006, 01:33 AM
I guess we're just going to pick a different player each week to rag on.

I swear....NO TEXAN PLAYER is safe around here.

I've seen boredom before, but I guess if we are getting down to a Todd Wade thread, then that's when it's hit the boredom stage around here.

The guy is a great run blocker. Period.

I'd rather pay a guy a lot of money to do ONE THING really well than to do a bunch of things half-hearted or less than stellar.

Are you people just pulling names out of a hat each week as to who gets the "Why are we paying so-and-so to play here?" thread?

Sometimes I think people post threads just to start a fight and create some sort of debate when there's not really one to be had. This is one of those times.


Actually, if you read the original post, the report from Granato was that Capers told him that wade is not a very good straight-ahead blocker (read: run blocker). He did mention that wade was good sealing off the backside, which was partly why they ran to the left so often.

My point of frustration with this is mentioned above, but to sum up - I'm frustrated with Capers either acquiring the wrong guy (i.e., he always sucked at this) or somehow putting him into a situation where he couldn't perform as well as he did at Miami. I was more or less asking why these things are.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-11-2006, 01:39 AM
Last year I thought the coaches felt they had to start him because of his salary. Hopefully the new coaches, who weren't part of the "acquire Wade" decision, will be comfortable with his expensive salary on the bench unless he earns playing time.

Just another example of CC paying average players top dollar to invest us all in his genius (see Payne, Greenwood, Wong, Wiegert, and Davis (he is a little above average but still not worth his extension)).

Wade was good at Miami but CC wanted to jump on him before he became great. But he never did. He turned out to be what 99% of OL are...decent.

People may want to blame coaching but our OL knows who to block (that's the coaching responsibility) but aren't athletic enough to prevent REALLY athletic pass rushers from collapsing the pocket around Carr (that's the player's responsibility).

Big B Texan Fan
01-11-2006, 01:53 AM
I guess we're just going to pick a different player each week to rag on.I swear....NO TEXAN PLAYER is safe around here.
Pretty soon we'll hear that Mathis is too fast.

Erratic Assassin
01-11-2006, 04:31 AM
no quarterback, given the same set of circumstances from 2002 until now, would have done any better than Carr.

I'm sure that Vince Young would be much better at throwing the ball while laying flat on his back than Carr!
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