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bulldawgtexan
01-10-2006, 10:07 AM
In the games I watched this year, this guy wasn't impressive at all. It was like he wasn't even trying half of the time. I was excited at the beginning of the year, but after his level of play I am wondering all types of things. Is it his attitude?

Texans_Chick
01-10-2006, 10:19 AM
In the games I watched this year, this guy wasn't impressive at all. It was like he wasn't even trying half of the time. I was excited at the beginning of the year, but after his level of play I am wondering all types of things. Is it his attitude?


Who knows.

Casserly has said that when we got him, we thought we were getting a cover corner and knew he wasn't much of a tackler. That our staff believed that we could coach him through his deficiencies.

He looked pretty bad at times during the season. He was certainly going to be picked on as opposed to throwing to Dunta's side of the field.

Before he got hurt, there were noises that he was starting to understand our system better and was being able to use his athleticism instead of overthinking the plays.

Buchanon went out at the time we started getting to the easier part of our schedule.

AND, our owner basically called Pbuc a mistake in the paper.

It will be interesting to see what is done with him because IIRC, he is a relatively cheap player currently with some potential, but he has been publically dogged by the owner as an error.

So the question is: Is he someone who can be coached up through his problems, or just can never be a corner in the league? Last years experiment was certainly ungood, but then again, it is hard to play corner when your pass rush at the beginning of the season was non-existent and your line can't stop the run.

I am guessing one way or another he won't have a radio show on 790 next year.

BREAZE
01-10-2006, 10:22 AM
He played like someone who wants to be traded...

Big B Texan Fan
01-10-2006, 10:25 AM
Ya know, Bailey played like crap for the Broncs at first but got it turned around. I was waiting for that to happen for PP-Suck but no such luck.

Big B Texan Fan
01-10-2006, 10:26 AM
He played like someone who wants to be traded...
Since when did the nfl allow trades to/from the Canadian FL

Double Barrel
01-10-2006, 11:13 AM
Buchanan was a bust, no doubt about it. Cut our losses and move on.

kingh99
01-10-2006, 11:57 AM
He's undergoing some estrogen treatments this offseason. Let's see how they turn out before condemning this guy.

LOL.

kingh99
01-10-2006, 11:59 AM
Ya know, Bailey played like crap for the Broncs at first but got it turned around. I was waiting for that to happen for PP-Suck but no such luck.


haha buchanon=bailey? Phillip Buchanon will always be remembered by me as having that too little head in the oversized helmet looking halfway out the earhole and reminding me of Barney Phife or Mike Dukakis, I can't decide which. I hope and pray Dukakis, err Buchanon was one of Caper's bright ideas. What an absolute bust.

titan hater
01-10-2006, 02:32 PM
Buchanan was a bust, no doubt about it. Cut our losses and move on.

yep...he should be cut...

Kaiser Toro
01-10-2006, 02:36 PM
He will cost us 800k next year against the cap. You bring him in with a new staff and allow him to compete for a position. With the prospect of Jerry Gray coming in as DC, who was a former All-Pro CB, it makes fiscal and player personnel sense.

To me, and yes it maybe just me, this is more of a no brainer given all of the Carr talk about a new coach coming in, DC's cap hit and production to date.

stevo3883
01-10-2006, 02:37 PM
He will cost us 800k next year against the cap. You bring him in with a new staff and allow him to compete for a position. With the prospect of Jerry Gray coming in as DC, who was a former All-Pro CB, it makes fiscal and player personnel sense.

To me, and yes it maybe just me, this is more of a no brainer given all of the Carr talk about a new coach coming in, DC's cap hit and production to date.


I'd like the new coach to set an example for all the players; you play like you don't want to be here, and you won't be here.

Cut Buchanon as a statement, and because he is a worthless lazy bum.

Kaiser Toro
01-10-2006, 02:41 PM
I'd like the new coach to set an example for all the players; you play like you don't want to be here, and you won't be here.

Cut Buchanon as a statement, and because he is a worthless lazy bum.

And that is why he will return next year to make a contribution or be an easy target to be made an example of for the rest of the team.

Mr. White
01-10-2006, 02:53 PM
My understanding on the P-Buc acquisition is that Al Davis basically strong-armed Casserley into taking the deal while he was still trying to make a decision as to whether to try to make a deal for him. If I remember right, Al Davis kept hassling Charley telling him that other teams were on the phone. Then after Charley takes the deal, old Bay Area newspaper articles turned up dogging P-Buc... basically saying all the same things about him that we see on this board (doesn't tackle, etc.)

I think it was a McClain article that I got this story from... Not sure, it's been a couple of months now since I read it.

stevo3883
01-10-2006, 02:55 PM
My understanding on the P-Buc acquisition is that Al Davis basically strong-armed Casserley into taking the deal while he was still trying to make a decision as to whether to try to make a deal for him. If I remember right, Al Davis kept hassling Charley telling him that other teams were on the phone. Then after Charley takes the deal, old Bay Area newspaper articles turned up dogging P-Buc... basically saying all the same things about him that we see on this board (doesn't tackle, etc.)

I think it was a McClain article that I got this story from... Not sure, it's been a couple of months now since I read it.


its ridiculous because every single raiders fan couldve told you exactly how bad he is.

He was a freaking bust there, and we gave up 2 first day picks for him!!

Texas
01-10-2006, 03:09 PM
I love listening to all of you complain about buchanon. Before he came everyone was soo happy about him coming. Now you complain? Its like taking VY out of college drafting him and telling him to stay in the pocket and not scramble. The system is different and it takes more then 1 year to learn it. Patience

Tayton
01-10-2006, 03:42 PM
I knew after watching one game that he was a bust. That being said he may be better in nickle and dime packages than Faggins. Am I the only one that thinks that CB is one of our FIRST needs in the draft.

stevo3883
01-10-2006, 03:42 PM
I love listening to all of you complain about buchanon. Before he came everyone was soo happy about him coming. Now you complain? Its like taking VY out of college drafting him and telling him to stay in the pocket and not scramble. The system is different and it takes more then 1 year to learn it. Patience


wtf are you talking about? You think a team like the raiders with a horrible defense would trade their starting corner if he was even halfway decent?

everyone that watched the raiders even once last year couldve told Pburnt was a bust and a horrible player.



if anyone was "excited" about him, they mustve been in a fantasy world

Meisterman
01-10-2006, 03:46 PM
Buchanon = yet another good reason to FIRE Casserly.:hairpull:

edo783
01-10-2006, 03:56 PM
I suspect that PBuc is a lost cause, but let's see if a new set of coaches can work anything. With the set of villiage idjits that we had for coaches, who knows. He will never be a zone guy IMO, but he IS supposed to have some cover skills. The dude went in the 1st, so there should be SOME skills.

stevo3883
01-10-2006, 03:57 PM
I suspect that PBuc is a lost cause, but let's see if a new set of coaches can work anything. With the set of villiage idjits that we had for coaches, who knows. He will never be a zone guy IMO, but he IS supposed to have some cover skills. The dude went in the 1st, so there should be SOME skills.


he went in the 1st because of his speed, not his skills.

He has 1st round speed and 7th round brains.

Corrosion
01-10-2006, 03:57 PM
He played like someone who wants to be traded...


He played like someone who didnt care if he was benched , traded or even cut .... He claimed he was the second coming of SHOWTIME but played more like BLOWTIME . :brickwall

McNair was right ... Casserly blew it when he didnt do his homework on the guy . Simple as that . :twocents:

TEXANS84
01-10-2006, 04:28 PM
Play him.

He's on his contract year, and for some odd reason :sarcasm: players seem to perform better when they know a new paycheck is coming up.

Texans_Chick
01-10-2006, 04:41 PM
He played like someone who didnt care if he was benched , traded or even cut .... He claimed he was the second coming of SHOWTIME but played more like BLOWTIME . :brickwall

McNair was right ... Casserly blew it when he didnt do his homework on the guy . Simple as that . :twocents:


We will never probably know the real deal on the PBuc thing.

McNair, as was reported in the Chronic to Justice, said that the staff only looked at tape of 4 games and recommended the trade.

Casserly, as was told to Granato, said no that wasn't true, that they thought they were getting a light hitting cover corner with potential and that it was the staff's belief that he could fit into our system and that his deficiencies that they knew about could be coached away.

Personally, I think the second point of view sounds like it makes more sense but you never know.

What I do believe about this is that it was a mistake to drag his assessment thing out into the media, even if it was being used to set up the hiring of Reeves as a consultant. IMO, it limits your flexibility of what you can do with PBuc and can't be good for morale.

Anyone with eyes saw all the missed tackles, but I am not about to say that he has nuthin because 1. I haven't watched tape; and 2. it usually the secondary that is the most exposed when mistakes happen; 3. I don't know how much of this is scheme and positioning and coaching.

Hervoyel
01-10-2006, 04:46 PM
Buchanan was a bust, no doubt about it. Cut our losses and move on.

You think? I think he's earning squat next year and you see how he does in a different defense in a contract year. I absolutely keep him for next season because even if he plays the nickle or dime for us one thing will motivate him where nothing has before. Money. He sucks next season and he's going to be making minimum bank for the next few years on whatever team is willing to let him suck for them.

Next year just might be the one season that Buchanon is worth having on your team.

powda
01-10-2006, 05:19 PM
p-buc gets 1 more year out of a new coaching staff on the cheap. hes given the dimeback spot in camp and told to work his way up from there. if he dosent earn it he dosent get it ,but considering his contract and a new set of coaches hes worth another year. i just dont wanna see him starting unless his performance demands it.

what a waste of ability. visions of that matador ole' on willie parker haunt me every time i hear his name.

Texans_Chick
01-10-2006, 06:31 PM
And now, for some unintentional humor:

An "old" MB thread about the Buchanon trade:

The thread where people are supposed to stay on topic. Notice the Hoke connection to PBuc (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=8281)

Hindsight is a beach.