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TEXANS84
01-09-2006, 09:26 PM
A very interesting read. It has us sending Carr to the Raiders for a 2nd round draft pick and possibly Doug Gabriel in a package. Carr would then be back close to home, near Fresno in Oakland.

There was rampant speculation leading up to last night's National Championship that Texas junior quarterback VINCE YOUNG would opt to declare for the NFL Draft if the Longhorns captured the title with a win over USC in the Rose Bowl. Well, part one of that achievement took place, as Young, who set several records on the way to capturing the Offensive MVP Award in a 41-38 victory over the Trojans, was able to hoist the National Championship Trophy along with his teammates.



http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/youngCarr.htm

tulexan
01-09-2006, 10:00 PM
This has been posted several times.

TEXANS84
01-09-2006, 10:03 PM
Its pretty bad when you have to recycle bin your own thread.

Fiddy
01-09-2006, 10:11 PM
Well, if it's any consolation, I havent seen this posted anywhere either...

Double Barrel
01-09-2006, 10:45 PM
I haven't read this, either. Thanks for posting it! :thumbup

texan279
01-14-2006, 11:29 PM
I was searching the net for something and found this article about the Texans drafting Vince Young and trading David Carr. Now I have never heard of the site and I am not in favor of trading Carr or a Young supporter, just thought it was kind of interesting...

LINK (http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/youngCarr.htm)


So, now that we know the background on Carr and his contract status… where could the Texans find an ideal trading partner? Well, it would have to be a team that needs a starting quarterback, has a few high picks or young prospects, and finally the cap room to accept both Carr, and give him a new long-term contract. Where would we find such a place, easy, the Oakland Raiders. The Raiders will likely release veteran quarterback Kerry Collins, thus clearing out over $12 million dollars in cap space, secondly, Carr's arm strength, mobility and the fact that he would be returning to the West Coast, a place he knows and has very fond memories, since he grew up in Bakersfield, California before starring at Fresno State, definitely plays into what the Raiders desire in a future signal caller.

The Raiders would likely have to part with their 2006 second round choice (#39), which would give the Texans three of the Top-40 picks (#1, #33, #39) and a total of five choices on day one, as well as a potential young starting player along the lines of defensive back Nnamdi Asomugha, wide receiver Doug Gabriel or defensive lineman Tommy Kelly, as well as a conditional-type 2007 draft choice, possibly a third-or-fourth rounder that could convert into a second round choice based on Carr's playing time with the Raiders in 2006.

The Raiders would have a young, gun-slinging signal caller to pair with wide receivers Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, as well as running back LaMont Jordan, especially in an AFC West Division that is full of veteran quarterbacks. Meanwhile, the Texans add a "Hometown Hero", save long-term cap space, add a secondary piece to a still-developing roster, and with a total of five choices in the first three rounds of the draft could very well secure the services of multiple starters to combine with a young roster that would be stocked with Young, Domanick Davis (RB), Andre Johnson (WR), Jerome Mathis (WR), Chester Pitts (OT), Travis Johnson (DL), Antwan Peek (OLB), and Dunta Robinson (CB). The Texans finished ranked 30th of 32 teams in total offense, so with the right mixture of new head coach, draft choices and marketing a local product like Vince Young, a former Madison High School and University of Texas idol, would make for a much-improved product in 2006.

Fiddy
01-14-2006, 11:45 PM
I could see Carr doing fairly well with the Raiders and Moss and Porter...

michaelm
01-14-2006, 11:51 PM
I really don't envision this happening, but if it does, Carr will do very well. :twocents:

wrestler4life
01-15-2006, 12:00 AM
So the why get rid of him? Just to make money?

thetexanator
01-15-2006, 12:24 AM
supposedly that rumor has no credibility whatsoever

Big B Texan Fan
01-15-2006, 12:30 AM
It is my belief that Carrs' short comings can be fixed just like Plummers were. But Plummer had to leave in order to make it happen.

Carr needs a new venue, new place new surroundings, new fans.

Hervoyel
01-15-2006, 12:36 AM
More like: "Young to Titans, Carr to stay put"

If Carr goes to the Raiders then we'll be seeing him in the Pro Bowl before we crack .500 IMO. I don't know what it is but it seems like every single time the Oilers (then) or the Texans (now) make a deal with the Raiders we always, without fail, come up on the short end of the deal.

I'm dead set against the Texans picking Vince Young. I think it's a big mistake. If it happens then I'll cheer for him and want it to work out. Just please don't trade Carr to the Raiders in that case. It's like a guarantee that the whole deal doesn't work out. Anybody but the Raiders.

texan279
01-15-2006, 12:39 AM
More like: "Young to Titans, Carr to stay put"

If Carr goes to the Raiders then we'll be seeing him in the Pro Bowl before we crack .500 IMO. I don't know what it is but it seems like every single time the Oilers (then) or the Texans (now) make a deal with the Raiders we always, without fail, come up on the short end of the deal.

I'm dead set against the Texans picking Vince Young. I think it's a big mistake. If it happens then I'll cheer for him and want it to work out. Just please don't trade Carr to the Raiders in that case. It's like a guarantee that the whole deal doesn't work out. Anybody but the Raiders.

I agree I just thought it was interesting speculation. I would hate to see Carr go to the Raiders but think he would thrive there.

Ibar_Harry
01-15-2006, 12:57 AM
I would not be surprised to see David in Oakland, particularly, if AL Davis signs Pat Hill as his head coach. There have been a number of rumors to that affect. Lamonica was from the Fresno area and so was the QB then Head coach. I can't remember the latters name. Anyway there has been a strong Fresno connection to the Raiders successful days. There outstanding O-lineman Bishop played for Fresno State.

I think the attitude of the Texans' fans is going to make it very difficult for Carr. Texans seem to like a particular style of football and quite frankly it ain't the style David is use too nor does it match his skills. I've said in other posts I think David should really be looking elsewhere. I understand that Mr McNair likes David and thinks a lot of him, but unfortunately David's presence in Houstion does a disservice to both. I hope I'm wrong about the fan attitude thing if David remains with the Texans. Carr's family attends the games. Quite frankly, I could see him saying that's it if it gets too bad. He is very much a family man. The Texans have very big problems on both sides of the ball and I think they are once again at least 3 or 4 years away from being a contender. The only way I see that changing is if Mr. McNair is able to procur an outstanding set of coaches. So far nobody he has interviewed has a proven track record. The only proven coach out there that might move is Gruden, but we haven't seen any sign of that yet. I don't think Gruden is happy in Tampa. I don't think Cower, Dungy, Holmgren, Parcells or anyone of that caliber is going to be on the move. Gruden is still young and hungry.

TexansTrueFan
01-15-2006, 01:13 AM
yeah i dont buy that at all

Nighthawk
01-15-2006, 03:38 AM
So, now that we know the background on Carr and his contract status… where could the Texans find an ideal trading partner? Well, it would have to be a team that needs a starting quarterback, has a few high picks or young prospects, and finally the cap room to accept both Carr, and give him a new long-term contract. Where would we find such a place, easy, the Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders would likely have to part with their 2006 second round choice (#39), which would give the Texans three of the Top-40 picks (#1, #33, #39) and a total of five choices on day one, as well as a potential young starting player along the lines of defensive back Nnamdi Asomugha, wide receiver Doug Gabriel or defensive lineman Tommy Kelly, as well as a conditional-type 2007 draft choice, possibly a third-or-fourth rounder that could convert into a second round choice based on Carr's playing time with the Raiders in 2006.

I like this idea but have no sense of how likely it is. Al Davis seems to like rougher hewn QBs than David Carr, so I'm thinking he wouldn't be as eager a trading partner as suggested, save for the Pat Hill business, which might make sense.

For the Texans this looks golden to me. Extra picks, extra players, AND Vince Young. That's a hard-to-beat package.

I guess the point is if you already pretty much know is not going to take you to the promised land, the best thing to do is try to (a) get out from under his contract, (b) get some extra picks and players, (c) get you're new foundation QB for the new team.

My thought is that Carr has a three or four more years as a so-so starter and then he's going to join the Legion of Backups. Young, on the other hand, is the rock on which you can build the team for the next decade.

LCOOL
01-15-2006, 06:03 AM
I like this idea but have no sense of how likely it is. Al Davis seems to like rougher hewn QBs than David Carr, so I'm thinking he wouldn't be as eager a trading partner as suggested, save for the Pat Hill business, which might make sense.

For the Texans this looks golden to me. Extra picks, extra players, AND Vince Young. That's a hard-to-beat package.

I guess the point is if you already pretty much know is not going to take you to the promised land, the best thing to do is try to (a) get out from under his contract, (b) get some extra picks and players, (c) get you're new foundation QB for the new team.

My thought is that Carr has a three or four more years as a so-so starter and then he's going to join the Legion of Backups. Young, on the other hand, is the rock on which you can build the team for the next decade.
I dont think uncle Charlie will let David go, I still think VY will be a Titan.

Texan in Japan
01-15-2006, 08:05 AM
There are many teams looking for QBs this off-season. I think NYJ, MIA, ARZ, OAK, to name a few would love to have David Carr under center. If VY becomes are man, then look for several teams to put together offers for DC.

If we're smart, we should be able to play several teams against each other for the best package.

I wish Denver would have lost today, I want Kubiak to start putting his staff together!

MorKnolle
01-15-2006, 08:54 AM
There are many teams looking for QBs this off-season. I think NYJ, MIA, ARZ, OAK, to name a few would love to have David Carr under center. If VY becomes are man, then look for several teams to put together offers for DC.

If we're smart, we should be able to play several teams against each other for the best package.

I wish Denver would have lost today, I want Kubiak to start putting his staff together!

Numerous teams would love to have David Carr and are eagerly hoping that the Texans do trade him so they can turn him into a Pro-Bowler, but sorry to disappoint some of you, Carr is not going anywhere, he is the QB of the Texans.

robwoody
01-15-2006, 09:06 AM
We are talking alot about the VY DC scenarios, but what about the Bush, Davis, Wells situation. If we draft Reggie, what happens to Davis and Wells? From what I have seen Bush is not an every down back. I know we keep Davis or Wells but which one? We don't need a kick returner either. Our only pro bowler was our KR. The way I see it we don't officially need a QB or RB. We need solid leadership. Casserly should have been the first FIRED!!!

robwoody
01-15-2006, 09:08 AM
Numerous teams would love to have David Carr and are eagerly hoping that the Texans do trade him so they can turn him into a Pro-Bowler, but sorry to disappoint some of you, Carr is not going anywhere, he is the QB of the Texans.
Quote this: DAVID CARR WILL NEVER BE A PRO BOWL QB.

chuckm
01-15-2006, 09:16 AM
Quote this: DAVID CARR WILL NEVER BE A PRO BOWL QB.


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MorKnolle
01-15-2006, 09:18 AM
Quote this: DAVID CARR WILL NEVER BE A PRO BOWL QB.

If we would finally bring in a sound offense around Carr, he has the tools to be a Pro-Bowl QB here, and if he goes to a team like Oakland that has some stud offensive playmakers and is in a pass-happy offense, he will make multiple Pro-Bowls. I hope he stays here for the duration of his career and we build the team around him and give him that chance, and he has as good of a chance (I think a better chance) of some day making a Pro-Bowl with this team as Vince Young does.

rmartin65
01-15-2006, 09:18 AM
Carr has all the potential to be a Pro Bowl QB, thats why he was drafted #! overall. Going to the Raiders would be very good for Carr.

robwoody
01-15-2006, 09:23 AM
It takes alot more than a strong arm to be a Pro Bowl QB. David's leadership abilities fall way short of where it should be. Pro Bowl QBs seem to find a way to will their team victory in the harshes of conditions. He hasn't found a way to win with a ten point lead and just under 2 mins to play. I will give him that Capers was an ***** and wouldn't even let him audible freely until his 3rd yr. and even those were limited. You can see it in the way he carrys himself after a loss. I get the feeling watching him that he really doesn't care about winning.

robwoody
01-15-2006, 09:28 AM
Carr has all the potential to be a Pro Bowl QB, thats why he was drafted #! overall. Going to the Raiders would be very good for Carr.
I didn't say he didn't have potential. There are alot of players with Pro Bowl potential. DC doesn't have the HEART. Maybe alot of it has been knocked out of him the last couple years.

bigTEXan8
01-15-2006, 09:28 AM
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Forget that. I want to know who's going to win the SB this year. That way I could put money on it.

robwoody
01-15-2006, 09:37 AM
Forget that. I want to know who's going to win the SB this year. That way I could put money on it.
The safe bet is Indianapolis. Seattle has a good shot if Alexander is back!

bigTEXan8
01-15-2006, 09:50 AM
The safe bet is Indianapolis. Seattle has a good shot if Alexander is back!

I'd like to see Indy play Sea-town...it would be interesting.

Tulip
01-15-2006, 09:53 AM
Quote this: DAVID CARR WILL NEVER BE A PRO BOWL QB.

Maybe if he played in the NFC instead of the AFC...

thunderkyss
01-15-2006, 11:13 AM
This quote paints a pretty picture of David Carr. I can see some teams wanting him.
One look at Carr's resume will show that the four-year starter has thrown just 48 touchdowns against 53 interceptions, but that over the past two years his ratio has improved to 30:25, while he has completed over 60% of his passes. He's also been sack-and-fumble prone, losing 15 fumbles and being sacked 208 times, an average of 52 per year. On the plus side, he has very good mobility, gaining over 1,000 yards rushing in his career, terrific toughness and durability, as he has started 59 of 60 career games, and the arm strength to throw the long ball with impressive touch. He completed 69% of his passes on second down this year, but an inconsistent ground attack caused his percentage to slip on third down. The most impressive part of his stat line is that between the opponents' 19-and-goal line (red zone) he threw eight touchdowns against just one interception.

If he is ever going to be a probowler, I really think he has to be traded to another team. I think Right now, the general consensus is that he can do no wrong in Houston. And so, instead of thinking there was anything else he could do, he accepts that whatever he did was the best that could be done.

OzzO
01-15-2006, 11:29 AM
....Pro Bowl QBs seem to find a way to will their team victory in the harshes of conditions. He hasn't found a way to win with a ten point lead and just under 2 mins to play.....

You lost it there... Carr hasn't found a way to win with a 10 point LEAD and 2 minutes left to play? So, is he on defense or a defensive coordinator?

Runner
01-15-2006, 11:47 AM
You lost it there... Carr hasn't found a way to win with a 10 point LEAD and 2 minutes left to play? So, is he on defense or a defensive coordinator?

Well, you have to admit - he should have recovered that onside kick. lol.

bigTEXan8
01-15-2006, 12:05 PM
Well, you have to admit - he should have recovered that onside kick. lol.

Carr should have knocked down that pass from Alex Smith that gave him his first TD ever. Carr's a slacker.

DocBar
01-15-2006, 12:15 PM
i would really like to see Carr's performance behind a quality line before I make any decisions on his performance. That said, and with someone other than CC making personnel decisions, I could be happy with this trade.

The Dream
01-15-2006, 03:59 PM
I haven't heard about this rumour, but I'd do it in a heartbeat.

bigTEXan8
01-15-2006, 04:11 PM
I'll go out on a crazy limb here and say that if they had to, any team in the NFL would take Carr. Carr has an arm, can move when need be, (which is often when in Houston) I think he's more accurate than most people do.

Nighthawk
01-16-2006, 12:34 AM
Numerous teams would love to have David Carr and are eagerly hoping that the Texans do trade him so they can turn him into a Pro-Bowler, but sorry to disappoint some of you, Carr is not going anywhere, he is the QB of the Texans.

Taking this head on:

IF there are teams willing to trade for Carr, and
IF you believe we're going into a rebuilding period, and
IF you know that will take 3 yrs minimum to be in contention,

THEN the only smart move is trade Carr now, because:

(a) he's not going to do you any good in the next 3 years even if he suddenly becomes much better, and
(b) after three more seasons he'll be on the downside of his career, and
(c) we could use the extra picks now, and
(d) VY in 3 years will be just coming into his own, with at least 5 years in front of him

jmerog
01-16-2006, 12:41 AM
If we would finally bring in a sound offense around Carr, he has the tools to be a Pro-Bowl QB here, and if he goes to a team like Oakland that has some stud offensive playmakers and is in a pass-happy offense, he will make multiple Pro-Bowls. I hope he stays here for the duration of his career and we build the team around him and give him that chance, and he has as good of a chance (I think a better chance) of some day making a Pro-Bowl with this team as Vince Young does.
I agree. Let's give the guy an O_line and see what he can do. He has a strong arm and given time, he can be very accurate although we dont see much of it seeing as how he's constantly rushed. I look foreward to seeing what Kubiak and the (hopefully)new o-line can turn him and this team into.

MorKnolle
01-16-2006, 09:33 AM
Taking this head on:

IF there are teams willing to trade for Carr, and
IF you believe we're going into a rebuilding period, and
IF you know that will take 3 yrs minimum to be in contention,

THEN the only smart move is trade Carr now, because:

(a) he's not going to do you any good in the next 3 years even if he suddenly becomes much better, and
(b) after three more seasons he'll be on the downside of his career, and
(c) we could use the extra picks now, and
(d) VY in 3 years will be just coming into his own, with at least 5 years in front of him

1) I do believe there are teams willing to trade for Carr, however I don't see us getting anything better than a 2nd round pick for him and a $5.5-8 million cap hit for a 2nd round pick is not a very good idea.
2) I do not think we are going into a complete rebuilding period, nor do I think we need to, we have a decent core of young talent on offense (Carr, Davis, Johnson, Mathis), one good, young CB, a couple decent defensive players, and some other serviceable role players, so there is no reason to give up on them and their careers and rebuild the team from scratch.
3) I don't think it will take 3 years to be in playoff contention. As with the previous post, I think we have a core of good, young players and enough serviceable players in other positions that with our new coaches and intelligent offseason moves in free agency and the draft that we can be in serious playoff contention in 2007, if not 2006. I have documented several teams that have made great single-season turnarounds (most recently San Diego going from 4-12 and 1st pick in the draft to 12-4 and a playoff berth the next season a couple years ago), so there is no reason to think that we are 3 years away from playoff contention.

a) This is a moot point since I do not think we will be unable to contend for the playoffs for three years, and his sudden development will help a lot with this team's progression.
b) Three seasons from now he'll be on the downside of his career? That will only be his 7th season, and last I checked many QBs put up some of their best seasons later in their career, maybe they don't have the best statistics of their career but their teams are generally more successful. Peyton Manning was in his 8th season this year, is he already on the downside of his career and a lost cause? Vinny Testaverde put up 3532 yards and 17 TDs at 41 years old and in his 18th season, and also put up 4177 yards and 33 TDs for the Ravens in his 10th season, 3256 yards and 29 TDs for the Jets in his 12th season, 3743 yards and 21 TDs for the Jets in his 14th season. In 2001, Kurt Warner was only in his fourth year but he was 30 years old (avg. age for an 8 year veteran) and put up 4830 yards and 36TDs. After Favre's 7th season, he put up 4212, 4091, 3812, 3921, 3658, 3361, 4088, and 3881 yards and 31, 22, 20, 32, 28, 32, 30, and 20 TDs. Barring a catastrophic injury, I don't think Carr will be on the decline in three seasons.
c) If we are truly 3 years from contention as you say, then how much good are extra picks now going to do? We should be looking to get these extra draft picks now because if we fill enough holes on the team we can be serious playoff contenders in one, maybe two years. We could get far more picks (and better picks for that matter) by trading down out of the 1st pick than by trading David Carr.
d) In three years Vince Young will just be starting to become a good NFL QB, while David Carr will be in the prime of his career, plus if we start giving up on the current team you can be sure that Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson, and other players like that will not stick around thru three more bad years and will continue their careers elsewhere once their current contracts are up.

HoustonFrog
01-16-2006, 09:49 AM
I'm not convinced Carr would do well there. Collins has a strong arm and he got his tail kicked this year. In fact their line did well for Jordan but seemed to have Collins on his toes..kind of like here. Those are just from the games I watched. I'd take Gabriel in a heartbeat though. The guy is big and athletic and when he did get balls thrown to him when Moss was out, he did well.

Frills
01-16-2006, 09:51 AM
Carr doesn't have a rap sheet therefore the Raiders don't want him

El Tejano
01-16-2006, 10:30 AM
I'm not convinced Carr would do well there. Collins has a strong arm and he got his tail kicked this year. In fact their line did well for Jordan but seemed to have Collins on his toes..kind of like here. Those are just from the games I watched. I'd take Gabriel in a heartbeat though. The guy is big and athletic and when he did get balls thrown to him when Moss was out, he did well.
I say that if you are going to deal Carr away, this is the one you take. That dude Gabriel is a gamer and I recall him in the preseason and how I wanted him to be on our team so bad. I believe he possesses the speed we want with the hands we need. This assures us of being able to take an OL and TE in the second round and focusing the rest on defense.

Chance_C
01-16-2006, 11:03 AM
The safe bet is Indianapolis. Seattle has a good shot if Alexander is back!

Well since Indy lost, your credibility as being a fortune teller just took a downhill slide..

adrianshrev
01-16-2006, 11:33 AM
the first thing to make me :drool: today. casserly getting fired reeves should get his job

El Tejano
01-16-2006, 12:36 PM
the first thing to make me :drool: today. casserly getting fired reeves should get his job

Did you hear something, or what??

Napa Auto Parts
01-22-2006, 09:57 PM
http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/youngCarr.htm

However, once reality sets in, the chance for Young to be taken #1 overall, and by his hometown team, the Houston Texans, might be too good to pass up.

Mario Williams
01-22-2006, 09:58 PM
What a reliable site...

bakerooskie
01-22-2006, 09:59 PM
Yea, Vince Young can be chosen... But I seriously doubt it... This forum is just blowing up on this topic... But hey, Reggie Bush is too good a choice to pass up...

Glacier
01-23-2006, 10:31 AM
Yea, Vince Young can be chosen... But I seriously doubt it... This forum is just blowing up on this topic... But hey, Reggie Bush is too good a choice to pass up...


Dominack Davis baby....

I was listening to sports radio. Apparenly, Kubiak was really high on Dominack Davis. Denver was going to draft him but, the Texans beat them to the punch.

Dominack Davis can and will likely run for 1400 yards, if he stays healthy, under Kubiak and the zone blocking scheme.

Grid
01-23-2006, 10:33 AM
hes supposedly high on Bush too though.

Im not AGAINST drafting Bush.. i mean if Bush could be our Portis or Davis..that will really give us a jump start towards contention..

but im leaning towards a trade down, grabbing some defense.. and seeing what we can do with Davis, Wells, and Morency.

Vinny
01-23-2006, 10:33 AM
This has been posted a dozen times....merged

rafterticket
01-23-2006, 12:14 PM
Al Davis probably first suggested we give up Carr and a second rounder. They must think Charlie's a chump after last year.

Hervoyel
01-23-2006, 12:23 PM
...if he stays healthy...

If he stays healthy it will be the first time he's ever stayed healthy since, I don't know...ever?

I'd pick a slightly more likely "if" if I were you.

Glacier
01-23-2006, 01:41 PM
The way I see it we don't officially need a QB or RB. We need solid leadership. Casserly should have been the first FIRED!!!

here here....

I'm a big VY supporter but, even I am not so dense as to think that houston NEEDS VY. I also recognize that houston has some VERY solid talent at the RB position (wish the Bush supports would show some respect for a very good RB in Dominack Davis. Hell Send DD to Dallas. We will put him to good use.) ;)

Rosusu
01-23-2006, 02:48 PM
I would love to have Vince and I think this deal would be amazing if we could pull it off. The problem is...Casserly wont trade David because if he does he is admitting that he was wrong when he drafted him which would put his job at stake sooner than later. If David is a bust farther down the line then we will fire him but he still got a few more years out of the deal. It's hard to admit that you are wrong and if we trade David that is essentially what he is doing.

HoustonFrog
01-23-2006, 02:53 PM
here here....

I'm a big VY supporter but, even I am not so dense as to think that houston NEEDS VY. I also recognize that houston has some VERY solid talent at the RB position (wish the Bush supports would show some respect for a very good RB in Dominack Davis. Hell Send DD to Dallas. We will put him to good use.) ;)

I don't think people disrespect him but they know he is constantly banged up and he is not a homerun hitter. I mean honestly, Wells looked just as good this year at times so it isn't like he is a "special" back. By the way, being a Dallas fan who moved here in 1993 and who wants the Texans to do well, DD would be always injured in a Parcells offense.

Glacier
01-23-2006, 04:58 PM
DD would be always injured in a Parcells offense.


DD wouldn't get 20 touches in a Parcells offense. He might get 10-15 touches between Julius Jones and Barber. That would keep him fresh and hopefully uninjured. I just like the player. He has been one of the few bright spots on the Texans Team, again, "when he is healthy"

Texan_X
01-23-2006, 05:16 PM
David Carr is not a leader at all for this organization.Vince Young will lead this offense,this team to more bigger victories than Carr ever did.
David Carr was a show boat all season long.He is not a good thrower,he makes bad decisions.We need a QB that is going to dominate the field and run when under pressure,Vince Young is our man.
This Texans organization can not let this pass,if they do McNair and Casserly will kick themselves in the head for such a great loss.
Get rid of Carr and get Young he will make much more improvements for this team.

thunderkyss
01-23-2006, 05:43 PM
I would love to have Vince and I think this deal would be amazing if we could pull it off. The problem is...Casserly wont trade David because if he does he is admitting that he was wrong when he drafted him which would put his job at stake sooner than later. If David is a bust farther down the line then we will fire him but he still got a few more years out of the deal. It's hard to admit that you are wrong and if we trade David that is essentially what he is doing.


for some reason, all the other mistakes don't mean anything?? He could be wrong a hundred times over, but hit on David Carr 8 years later, and the man would be viewed as a genius?? I don't know about that.

I don't think people disrespect him but they know he is constantly banged up and he is not a homerun hitter. I mean honestly, Wells looked just as good this year at times so it isn't like he is a "special" back. By the way, being a Dallas fan who moved here in 1993 and who wants the Texans to do well, DD would be always injured in a Parcells offense.

You only say that, because Dallas' main guy is always hurt.

David Carr is not a leader at all for this organization.Vince Young will lead this offense,this team to more bigger victories than Carr ever did.
David Carr was a show boat all season long.He is not a good thrower,he makes bad decisions.We need a QB that is going to dominate the field and run when under pressure,Vince Young is our man.
This Texans organization can not let this pass,if they do McNair and Casserly will kick themselves in the head for such a great loss.
Get rid of Carr and get Young he will make much more improvements for this team.

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you're not really helping our cause. You're going to find it hard to find anyone to substantiate your "David was a showboat, David can't throw" arguments... The bad decision argument, they pass off to the OLine.

But the facts are the facts.... We've all seen Great Quarterbacks play behind bad Offensive lines. We know what a great Quarterback can/will do. Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Dan Marino. Heck, give those guys poor lines, and poor recievers, and they'll still put up some insane numbers... people around the country would be like.... did you see so & so... if only they'd put a team around him...

Carr is not those guys. He'll never accomplish what they've accomplished. He might be a Drew Bledsoe... who I think is very close to those guys, but not quite. Maybe we can draft Vince, let him play 3 games in 2006, then come 2007, take us to the SuperBowl, kinda like Brady did for NewEngland :yahoo:

NFLforher
01-24-2006, 09:45 AM
A very interesting read. It has us sending Carr to the Raiders for a 2nd round draft pick and possibly Doug Gabriel in a package. Carr would then be back close to home, near Fresno in Oakland.

http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/youngCarr.htm


Carr is from Bakerfield which is not "near" Oakland.

Well, it's closer than Texas. :)

TEXANS84
01-24-2006, 10:03 AM
Carr is from Bakerfield which is not "near" Oakland.

Well, it's closer than Texas. :)

He went to college at Fresno State, near Oakland.

infantrycak
01-24-2006, 10:12 AM
He went to college at Fresno State, near Oakland.

Well from folks in Texas 180 miles may seem close, but I am not sure that is the normal definition or one which builds any particular affection. Carr is a So-Cal guy. There is a fairly significant So-Cal vs. No-Cal schism in California.

Jack Bauer
01-24-2006, 10:46 AM
Well from folks in Texas 180 miles may seem close, but I am not sure that is the normal definition or one which builds any particular affection. Carr is a So-Cal guy. There is a fairly significant So-Cal vs. No-Cal schism in California.

Fresno is No-Cal. I think DC is from Bakersfield, which would be considered So-Cal.

infantrycak
01-24-2006, 10:50 AM
Fresno is No-Cal. I think DC is from Bakersfield, which would be considered So-Cal.

Which is why I said he was a So-Cal guy. In any event, Oakland is not particularly thought of with fondness by anyone not from Oakland and not even by a lot of those folks. There is no reason to link Carr and Oakland.

Kaiser Toro
01-24-2006, 10:55 AM
There is no reason to link Carr and Oakland.

Especially now that Pat Hill is staying at FSU.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=local&id=3821662

Jack Bauer
01-24-2006, 10:57 AM
Which is why I said he was a So-Cal guy. In any event, Oakland is not particularly thought of with fondness by anyone not from Oakland and not even by a lot of those folks. There is no reason to link Carr and Oakland.

Your original comment was related to where Fresno State was located; hence my response.

cadahnic
01-24-2006, 10:58 AM
Everyone knows that the true HC of Oakland is Al Davis. The guy is a football guy, but he does not understand micromanagement. It will be interesting to see who come in there with the talent base it is an attractive job, with the upper management it sucks. I think Martz may get a run there eventhough those two egos together would cause nothing but fireworks.

infantrycak
01-24-2006, 12:45 PM
Your original comment was related to where Fresno State was located; hence my response.

Those little dots followed by breaks and then words started with capitals are periods. They designate the end of one sentence/idea and the beginning of another. :rolleyes:

SteelBlueToro
01-24-2006, 01:00 PM
This may be old news - but I heard on Cold Pizza that the Raiders may be interested in Dante Culpepper. Apparently the Vikes are shopping him around...

Jack Bauer
01-24-2006, 01:05 PM
Those little dots followed by breaks and then words started with capitals are periods. They designate the end of one sentence/idea and the beginning of another. :rolleyes:

:challenge I guess I have to spell it out. This is the part of the quote I was referring to:

Well from folks in Texas 180 miles may seem close, but I am not sure that is the normal definition or one which builds any particular affection.

I was NOT referring to your assertion that Carr is a So-Cal guy. Follow your own rules about dots and such. You were referring to Fresno in this sentence. If you want to discuss grammar, then we will. If you wanted to discuss something outside of the context of Fresno, you should have started a new paragraph. ;)

El Tejano
01-24-2006, 01:29 PM
Is Carr to the Raiders still a rumor or has it died down by now.