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Nighthawk
01-09-2006, 06:45 PM
From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."

Jack Bauer
01-09-2006, 06:46 PM
From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."

Why wouldn't they want to hear it? I think they already know this. Quick, give me five running backs who average more than 20 carries in a game in the NFL?

The Dream
01-09-2006, 06:47 PM
Well what people are going to argue is that most backs in the NFL don't even carry the ball 20 times (anymore)....with that being said, I'd take Vince over him for the simple fact that he will have the ball in his hands every single snap.

Grid
01-09-2006, 06:48 PM
thats been a known stat since before we had the #1 pick.

He only gets 15 carries a game or so. He touches the ball more with the dump off passes.

He would be one half of a dual threat with him and DD sharing carries. Each getting about 15 a game. Would keep both of them fresh and solve the durability issues DD has been having.

Nighthawk
01-09-2006, 06:49 PM
He would be one half of a dual threat with him and DD sharing carries. Each getting about 15 a game. Would keep both of them fresh and solve the durability issues DD has been having.

And you want to build the team around that? You must be dreaming.

tulexan
01-09-2006, 06:50 PM
How many games did Domanick Davis carry the ball 20 times in college?

Most already agree that he won't be a 20 carry back. What he will be is a 25 touch back. He will get some plays at wide out and in the slot and possibly punt returns in addition to being a running back.

Bongo59
01-09-2006, 06:50 PM
Bush and McNair would be dynamite...................I think you guys should do whatever it takes to put the heat on bob Mcnair to take VY..............

texan279
01-09-2006, 06:52 PM
Why wouldn't they want to hear it? I think they already know this. Quick, give me five running backs who average more than 20 carries in a game in the NFL?

Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Larry Johnson, Thomas Jones, Domanick Davis, Cadillac Williams, and Willis McGahee...

Wordem
01-09-2006, 06:53 PM
This compared to a freak of nature and talent who will touch the ball every down. This is not a difficult decision. It's easy. VY is the pick. Easy.

Bongo59
01-09-2006, 06:54 PM
I am floored that you guys really want to give up RBush.............but man am I happy to hear it......................

Grid
01-09-2006, 06:55 PM
hmm.. no I dont want to build a team around that. I want to give my team that luxury. Im not arguing that we should build our team around anyone. We just need to add useful talent to our team and keep getting better.

Double Barrel
01-09-2006, 06:56 PM
From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."


ahhhhh, but it's what he could do with that 20 times that might be magic. :hmmm:

swtbound07
01-09-2006, 06:58 PM
ahhhhh, but it's what he could do with that 20 times that might be magic. :hmmm:

Magic? Seriously? hall of fame....magic.....gale sayers.....legacy...dynasty

All of the hyperbole is making my stomach churn

Bongo59
01-09-2006, 06:58 PM
ahhhhh, but it's what he could do with that 20 times that might be magic. :hmmm:want another stat................look at RBush yds per attempt...................then come back and talk to me...............and then compare his yds per attempt to any other RB in history..............then come back and talk this silliness about a QB named VY........................

swtbound07
01-09-2006, 07:00 PM
want another stat................look at RBush yds per attempt...................then come back and talk to me...............and then compare his yds per attempt to any other RB in history..............then come back and talk this silliness about a QB named VY........................

You want him on the titans? freaking take him. Enjoy your bust running back and your old quarterback. I'll take young any day.

Bongo59
01-09-2006, 07:02 PM
You want him on the titans? freaking take him. Enjoy your bust running back and your old quarterback. I'll take young any day.Dude i will come to Houston and Kiss Bob McNairs hind quarters on the 50 yd line of Reliant if you pass on Bush..............and I am not lying.

swtbound07
01-09-2006, 07:03 PM
Dude i will come to Houston and Kiss Bob McNairs **** on the 50 yd line of Reliant if you pass on Bush..............and I am not lying.

i hope you get your wish? and if he was taht good, new orleans would take him before you got a chance

Double Barrel
01-09-2006, 07:10 PM
Magic? Seriously? hall of fame....magic.....gale sayers.....legacy...dynasty

All of the hyperbole is making my stomach churn

Please note the "might" in my previous statement. :ok:

I'm not on anyone's bandwagon, to be honest. I see great potential in both Bush and Young.

By all accounts, and this goes from talking heads to proven NFL analysts and scouts, Bush is the REAL DEAL. So please don't belittle him because you're high on Young.

There is room for both of them to be great someday. :)

JDizzle
01-09-2006, 07:11 PM
Bush actually carried the ball more than Lendale White did this year. It was only 3 more carries (200 vs. 197, 3042yds combined), so you could say that the two split the carries. Either way, that's a pretty potent 1-2 punch.

King should also note that those two games where Bush got 20+ carries, he went nuts.

Fresno St. - 23 Carries 294 yards
UCLA - 24 Carries 260 Yards

He had another game where he had 20 carries for a pathetic 122 yards (sarcasm) against Oregon.

swtbound07
01-09-2006, 07:13 PM
Please note the "might" in my previous statement. :ok:

I'm not on anyone's bandwagon, to be honest. I see great potential in both Bush and Young.

By all accounts, and this goes from talking heads to proven NFL analysts and scouts, Bush is the REAL DEAL. So please don't belittle him because you're high on Young.
There is room for both of them to be great someday. :)


unfair analysis. Know who your talking to. I was down on bush when i was in the dbrick camp. There is room for both to be great. I just dont think one will be. Have always thought this. I trust me more than i trust talking heads.

Corrosion
01-09-2006, 07:15 PM
Why wouldn't they want to hear it? I think they already know this.


Are you sure about that ..... They didnt seem to know that PBurnt couldnt ...errr Wouldnt tackle before giving up 2nd & 3rd rounders for him .


Casserly ..... Dont screw this up .......please :ok:

Double Barrel
01-09-2006, 07:29 PM
unfair analysis. Know who your talking to. I was down on bush when i was in the dbrick camp. There is room for both to be great. I just dont think one will be. Have always thought this. I trust me more than i trust talking heads.

LMAO!!! lol: "know who I'm talking to"?! :heh:

You reply to me with...

Magic? Seriously? hall of fame....magic.....gale sayers.....legacy...dynasty

All of the hyperbole is making my stomach churn

...and from this I'm supposed to deduct that your opinion is more valid that those that are paid to do it professionally?!

Please, educate me with your impressive resume of NFL talent scouting. And all this time I thought you were just another anonymous perp on an internet forum. :hmmm:

Nawzer
01-09-2006, 07:32 PM
Why would Reggie Bush carry the ball 20 times at USC??? They have LenDale White who shared the load with him. I'm sure if he had to carry the ball 20 times he could easily have done that. What is important is that he get's the opportunity to touch the ball whether it is in the running or passing game. If Bush carries the ball 13 or 14 times a game for us and makes the big plays that he did with USC, I won't have a problem with it at all. Plus you know he's going to catch some balls out of the backfield.

BREAZE
01-09-2006, 07:59 PM
I'm dizzy...stop this merry-go-round. Its amazing that people have any doubts about the best 2 athletes to ever enter the draft at the same time. Don't take Bust because VY's a bust, don't take VY because Bush is a bust...wow!

I would love to see VY in Texan gear just for what he has outside of athletic ability, but I'm not going to cry if Bush is here instead...although a declaration is way over due! Have we lost our minds? Thank God we only have until 4/29 to beat this horse to death. Give an inch and...ah, nevermind...

Xman
01-09-2006, 08:11 PM
RBush
Stat Overview Rushing Receiving Fumbles
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2003 90 521 5.8 58 3 15 314 20.9 60 4 0 0
2004 143 908 6.4 81 6 43 509 11.8 69 7 0 0
2005 200 1740 8.7 76 16 37 478 12.9 43 2 0 0
2005 Game Log Rushing Receiving Fumbles
DATE OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
9/3 @Hawaii W 63-17 12 86 7.2 41 2 4 58 14.5 20 0 0 0
9/17 Arkansas W 70-17 8 125 15.6 76 1 3 70 23.3 40 1 0 0
9/24 @Oregon W 45-13 20 122 6.1 38 1 3 43 14.3 19 1 0 0
10/1 @Ar Ste W 38-28 17 158 9.3 34 2 1 4 4.0 4 0 0 0
10/8 Arizona W 42-21 14 110 7.9 65 0 2 16 8.0 10 0 0 0
10/15 @Notre Dame W 34-31 15 160 10.7 45 3 4 35 8.8 13 0 0 0
10/22 @Washington W 51-24 8 51 6.4 11 1 2 18 9.0 12 0 0 0
10/29 Washington State W 55-13 17 97 5.7 14 0 4 40 10.0 17 0 0 0
11/5 Stanford W 51-21 12 113 9.4 42 1 4 27 6.8 9 0 0 0
11/12 @California W 35-10 17 82 4.8 20 0 1 4 4.0 4 0 0 0
11/19 Fresno State W 50-42 23 294 12.8 65 2 3 68 22.7 43 0 0 0
12/3 UCLA W 66-19 24 260 10.8 65 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
The Rose Bowl @Texas L 41-38 13 82 6.3 26 1 6 95 15.8 37 0 0 0

Kaiser Toro
01-09-2006, 08:15 PM
Bush only carrying the ball x amount of times does not worry me at all and I am not in the draft Bush camp.

The guy can flat out play. In the event he is drafted by the Texans, I will be happy about that stat.

Xman
01-09-2006, 08:16 PM
8.6 a carry
longs per game of: 78, 65, 65, 65, 45, 42, 41, 38, 34 . . . . not one game this year without a long over 10 yards.

swtbound07
01-09-2006, 08:17 PM
LMAO!!! lol: "know who I'm talking to"?! :heh:

You reply to me with...



...and from this I'm supposed to deduct that your opinion is more valid that those that are paid to do it professionally?!

Please, educate me with your impressive resume of NFL talent scouting. And all this time I thought you were just another anonymous perp on an internet forum. :hmmm:


no, your supposed to not make a generalization about my motivation. It is easy for you to say im bashing bush because i want young. Thats not true. As for my impressive scouting resume.....i got drunk with our pro scout once...does that count?

pskinny
01-09-2006, 08:18 PM
From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."

And why is this a relevant stat? Is it because Bush couldn't shoulder the load, or is it because USC had two stud Rbs and Pete Carroll wanted them to split carries. Bush has shown nothing to lead anyone to believe that he couldn't carry the ball 20 times a game.

tulexan
01-09-2006, 08:18 PM
Funny how the Vince Young peeps point to his improvement, but acknowledge Reggie's improvement in every rushing category.

Kaiser Toro
01-09-2006, 08:28 PM
As for my impressive scouting resume.....i got drunk with our pro scout once...does that count?

Depends on who was buying the drinks. ;) Part of being a scout is finding the next mark.

HeartofHouston
01-09-2006, 08:46 PM
All this how many times he carries the ball mess is driving me insane.. Who cares if he only carried it 15 yards per game..

this guy still has 1700yards rushing and that's with 15 rushes per game, and splitting the carries with LenDale White.. so imagine what he could with 25-30 carries a game at college..

hmmmmm 3000 yards rushing.. come on now. oh my God that is soooo medicore (sarcasm)... be honest this guy is the REAL DEAL..

PapaL
01-09-2006, 08:52 PM
That just means he has less wear and tear then a guy that gets those extra 5 carries.

texan279
01-09-2006, 08:54 PM
I still think his style will not translate well into the NFL. And we saw what he did against UT, probably the best defense he faced this season.

tulexan
01-09-2006, 08:59 PM
I'll take 177 yards and a touchdown on 19 touches any day

texan279
01-09-2006, 09:04 PM
I'll take 177 yards and a touchdown on 19 touches any day

I am still not convinced he is worth the #1 overall pick...

Nighthawk
01-09-2006, 09:06 PM
hmm.. no I dont want to build a team around that. I want to give my team that luxury. Im not arguing that we should build our team around anyone. We just need to add useful talent to our team and keep getting better.

We should add some talent at QB while it's available, maybe? Just a thought.

Nighthawk
01-09-2006, 09:07 PM
Why would Reggie Bush carry the ball 20 times at USC??? They have LenDale White who shared the load with him. I'm sure if he had to carry the ball 20 times he could easily have done that. What is important is that he get's the opportunity to touch the ball whether it is in the running or passing game. If Bush carries the ball 13 or 14 times a game for us and makes the big plays that he did with USC, I won't have a problem with it at all. Plus you know he's going to catch some balls out of the backfield.

Bush would be a fine pick IF WE HAD A FIRST RATE QB. We don't. It's that simple.

swtbound07
01-09-2006, 09:43 PM
Depends on who was buying the drinks. ;) Part of being a scout is finding the next mark.


Well, as i am underaged, it was he.....

CaptainPatriot
01-09-2006, 09:54 PM
Well what people are going to argue is that most backs in the NFL don't even carry the ball 20 times (anymore)....with that being said, I'd take Vince over him for the simple fact that he will have the ball in his hands every single snap.


Good Point! Also when was the last time a running back taken 1st over all won a super bowl?..................
..................................................
.................................................. . NONE!!!

DRAMA
01-09-2006, 10:05 PM
Depends on who was buying the drinks. ;) Part of being a scout is finding the next mark.

"And you got these f-ing claws and these fangs, man! And you're looking at your claws and you're looking at your fangs. And you're thinking to yourself, you don't know what to do, man. "I don't know how to kill the bunny." With *this* you don't know how to kill the bunny, do you know what I mean?"

tulexan
01-09-2006, 10:06 PM
Good Point! Also when was the last time a running back taken 1st over all won a super bowl?..................
..................................................
.................................................. . NONE!!!


Here is a good stat. How many QB's from Texas that were drafted #1 overall have won a Super Bowl?

Corrosion
01-09-2006, 10:10 PM
I still think his style will not translate well into the NFL. And we saw what he did against UT, probably the best defense he faced this season.


This is something that bothers me about Bush as well , I just dont see him pounding the ball between the tackles or taking on a tackler to get the extra yards ... There is NO Question about his elusiveness and speed once he gets in space but .... you have to get there first .
I think a lot of his success / failure in the NFL will be directly attributed to the system he's in and how he's used .

:tv:

tulexan
01-09-2006, 10:14 PM
Tiki Barber isn't that big (roughly same size as Bush) and he is the second leading rusher in the league.

texan279
01-09-2006, 10:15 PM
This is something that bothers me about Bush as well , I just dont see him pounding the ball between the tackles or taking on a tackler to get the extra yards ... There is NO Question about his elusiveness and speed once he gets in space but .... you have to get there first .
I think a lot of his success / failure in the NFL will be directly attributed to the system he's in and how he's used .

:tv:

I have been anti Bush since the hype started. But if Kubiak became our head coach and brings in the right personnel for the zone blocking, I think Bush would do well here.

texan279
01-09-2006, 10:17 PM
Tiki Barber isn't that big (roughly same size as Bush) and he is the second leading rusher in the league.

No offense, but who said anything about size?

tulexan
01-09-2006, 10:20 PM
corrosion said that his style of not pounding between the tackles might not translate to NFL success.

Well Tiki Barber is the same size and doesn't pound between the tackles and is the second leading rusher in the league.

texan279
01-09-2006, 10:26 PM
corrosion said that his style of not pounding between the tackles might not translate to NFL success.

Well Tiki Barber is the same size and doesn't pound between the tackles and is the second leading rusher in the league.

What he may have been talking about was Bush's tendancy to try and bounce to the outside if there is not a huge hole to run through. And Tiki Barber is the kind of back who goes into a pile and can appear out of the pile out of nowhere.

pskinny
01-09-2006, 10:28 PM
Good Point! Also when was the last time a running back taken 1st over all won a super bowl?..................
..................................................
.................................................. . NONE!!!

Marshall Faulk? 1994?? When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.

Kaiser Toro
01-09-2006, 10:33 PM
Marshall Faulk? 1994?? When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.

All comparisions should be done within the salary cap era in mind which started in 1993.

Double Barrel
01-09-2006, 11:52 PM
no, your supposed to not make a generalization about my motivation. It is easy for you to say im bashing bush because i want young. Thats not true. As for my impressive scouting resume.....i got drunk with our pro scout once...does that count?

That's cool, man. I can certainly understand the position to strongly endorse either draft pick. Both Young and Bush are great prospects with amazing potential, IMHO.

I'm in one of the small camps that can be happy with either guy. It all depends on how the team feels about David Carr at the end of the day. If the front office has faith in his potential, we'll go with Bush. If Carr is better off somewhere else, we get Young.

Either way, we're moving away from 2-14 as fast as we can with a new coaching staff and a new offensive playmaker. That's a good thing no matter how you look at it. :howdy:

swtbound07
01-10-2006, 12:06 AM
That's cool, man. I can certainly understand the position to strongly endorse either draft pick. Both Young and Bush are great prospects with amazing potential, IMHO.

I'm in one of the small camps that can be happy with either guy. It all depends on how the team feels about David Carr at the end of the day. If the front office has faith in his potential, we'll go with Bush. If Carr is better off somewhere else, we get Young.

Either way, we're moving away from 2-14 as fast as we can with a new coaching staff and a new offensive playmaker. That's a good thing no matter how you look at it. :howdy:


I'll drink to that one friend

Jack Bauer
01-10-2006, 09:30 AM
Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Larry Johnson, Thomas Jones, Domanick Davis, Cadillac Williams, and Willis McGahee...

Okay you got me! But you went overboard with DD. He only averaged 16 carries per game (14 games). Still that is only 10 out of 32 teams. My point is that he doesn't need to average 20 carries per game to be successful. Denver seems to be doing pretty well with Anderson and Bell.

CaptainPatriot
01-10-2006, 09:41 AM
Here is a good stat. How many QB's from Texas that were drafted #1 overall have won a Super Bowl?



So what`s your point? We should draft a QB #1 over all from CA? IE:Aikman,Elway and Plunkett?

BigBull17
01-10-2006, 10:14 AM
Marshall Faulk? 1994?? When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.
John Elway 1998.

Kaiser Toro
01-10-2006, 10:16 AM
John Elway 1998.

Elway was drafted in 1983, 10 years before the Salary Cap was instituted.

BigBull17
01-10-2006, 10:21 AM
I was just stating who the last #1 overall pick to win Superbowl. It was Elway.

Jack Bauer
01-10-2006, 10:24 AM
I was just stating who the last #1 overall pick to win Superbowl. It was Elway.

See the post above yours. Elway was drafted in 83 and Aikman was drafted in 89.

BTW, I see what you are saying: Elway won the most recent QB who was a number 1 pick to win a SB. The question was who was the most recently drafted QB at number 1 to have won a SB. You can change the wording to have a different answer.

BigBull17
01-10-2006, 11:05 AM
Aikman was taken after Elway yes im not dumb, but Elway was chronolgically the last #1 pick to win the SB. Taken befor Aikman but won SB after Aikman

Jack Bauer
01-10-2006, 11:10 AM
Aikman was taken after Elway yes im not dumb, but Elway was chronolgically the last #1 pick to win the SB. Taken befor Aikman but won SB after Aikman

The point is: this was not what the other poster was saying.

When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.

BigBull17
01-10-2006, 11:13 AM
Whatever...

LBC_Justin
01-10-2006, 11:38 AM
Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander, Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, LaDanian Tomlinson, Rudi Johnson, Larry Johnson, Thomas Jones, Domanick Davis, Cadillac Williams, and Willis McGahee...
I did a quick search.

Guess what I found out. Running backs in college are not used as work horses in like they are in the NFL.

Like I said this was a quick search. These are some of the younger guys so it was easy to find their college stats. I could not find stats on the others but I am sure it will show the same results. (Feel free to look it up)

Cadillac Williams averaged 17 carries a game in college
Willis McGahee averaged 16 carries a game in college
Larry Johnson averaged 10 carries a game in college
Domanick Davis averaged 10 carries a game in college

Another interesting Reggie Bush stat
He is averaging 2 yards per carry better than almost ALL of these great running backs did in college!!!!!!! And he is a much more dangerous reciever than any of them were in college. WOW!!!!

After that research I think I just talked myself out of wanting Vince Young.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:42 AM
No way Larry Johnson only averaged 10 carries a game. Didn't he get 2000 yards one season?

pskinny
01-10-2006, 11:44 AM
I was just stating who the last #1 overall pick to win Superbowl. It was Elway.

Wrong again. Marshall Faulk was the last number 1 pick to win the Superbowl. He was drafted in 1994 but won it in 2000 or 2001?

tulexan
01-10-2006, 11:57 AM
Faulk was the #2 overall pick

LBC_Justin
01-10-2006, 12:08 PM
Good Point! Also when was the last time a running back taken 1st over all won a super bowl?..................
..................................................
.................................................. . NONE!!!
The top picked running back in the draft is often the foundation of many many great teams.

Just a few of the Top picked Running Backs in the last 30 years or so.

Franco Harris
Walter Payton
John Riggins
OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Ottis Anderson
Eric Dickerson
Bo Jackson
Barry Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Warrick Dunn
Edgerrin James
Jamal Lewis
LaDainian Tomlinson
Willis McGahee

Here is the real kicker almost everyone of these guys average a little over 6 yards per carry in College. Reggie push is average well over 8 yards per carry in College. Statistically Reggie Bush is the best college running back to ever come out of college.

BigBull17
01-10-2006, 12:08 PM
Wrong again. Marshall Faulk was the last number 1 pick to win the Superbowl. He was drafted in 1994 but won it in 2000 or 2001?
I was talkin QB's but thanks for the info.

cuppacoffee
01-10-2006, 12:08 PM
Magic? Seriously? hall of fame....magic.....gale sayers.....legacy...dynasty

All of the hyperbole is making my stomach churn

And you think all the VY hype isn't making the rest of us sick.
Some ***** even went so far as to write the Chronicle this morning (tues) all but thanking his mother for getting pg and giving birth to superman.. ridiculous...:shocked
We need a emicon for a person gagging and throwing up.

:coffee:

exclude
01-10-2006, 12:11 PM
There is far too much "Brokeback Mountain" type of love for VY and the sad part is that you hear most of it on radio, where 2 million other people actually believe it.

LBC_Justin
01-10-2006, 12:13 PM
No way Larry Johnson only averaged 10 carries a game. Didn't he get 2000 yards one season?For his college career he played in 46 games and had a total of 460 carries.

cuppacoffee
01-10-2006, 12:20 PM
What he may have been talking about was Bush's tendancy to try and bounce to the outside if there is not a huge hole to run through. And Tiki Barber is the kind of back who goes into a pile and can appear out of the pile out of nowhere.



I've been so stoopid up to now.

Avoiding tacklers is bad.
Running into a gang of tacklers is good.

Now I understand.

:coffee:

exclude
01-10-2006, 12:22 PM
For his college career he played in 46 games and had a total of 460 carries.

That is amazing!! God, if we don't draft Bush....

tulexan
01-10-2006, 12:24 PM
For his college career he played in 46 games and had a total of 460 carries.


That is a little misleading because I am sure when he was a freshman and maybe even the beginning of his sophomore season he didn't get many carries.

cuppacoffee
01-10-2006, 12:25 PM
Here is a good stat. How many QB's from Texas that were drafted #1 overall have won a Super Bowl?


:rofl: :whoohoo:...:rofl:

Bubbajwp
01-10-2006, 12:38 PM
From Peter King:

"Reggie Bush Stat of the Day That Bob McNair and Charley Casserly Do Not Want to Hear: In 39 college games, Bush carried the ball more than 20 times only twice."
BUSH'S 2005 PLAYS OF 20+ YARDS


Hawaii 2 (41 TD, 20)
Arkansas 1 (65)
Notre Dame 5 (36 TD, 21, 45 TD, 22, 20)
Washington 2 (84 TD, 21)
Stanford 1 (42)
California 1 (20)
Fresno St. 10 (28, 65, 30, 21, 35, 45 TD, 25, 50 TD, 20, 43)

2005 (Jr.)... 33
Not sure how accurate this is I found if on Yahoo.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 12:45 PM
You forgot a few games because I know for a fact that he had a few against UCLA and he a few against Texas

LBC_Justin
01-10-2006, 12:46 PM
That is a little misleading because I am sure when he was a freshman and maybe even the beginning of his sophomore season he didn't get many carries.Larry Johnson had 271 carries for 2087 yards, while Bush had 200 carries for 1740 yards. But if you look at the stats Penn State didn't have another running back with a significant amount of carries. Let alone did he have to share the back field with a fellow 1st round pick.

Both are Studs and i would love to have Larry Johnson on my team too.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 01:03 PM
I agree. Larry Johnson is the real deal. I think he has a legitimate shot at 2000 yards next season.

exclude
01-10-2006, 01:05 PM
Larry Johnson had 271 carries for 2087 yards, while Bush had 200 carries for 1740 yards. But if you look at the stats Penn State didn't have another running back with a significant amount of carries. Let alone did he have to share the back field with a fellow 1st round pick.

Both are Studs and i would love to have Larry Johnson on my team too.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is by far the best comparison between a current and future stud.

Great Job, lbc!!!:thumbup

Big B Texan Fan
01-10-2006, 01:13 PM
You forgot a few games because I know for a fact that he had a few against UCLA and he a few against Texas
When you fumble...err....pitch it and then it turns into a fumble, you do not credit for the yardage.
The TD was not 20yrd out (I think)

Big B Texan Fan
01-10-2006, 01:17 PM
Larry Johnson had 271 carries for 2087 yards, while Bush had 200 carries for 1740 yards. But if you look at the stats Penn State didn't have another running back with a significant amount of carries. Let alone did he have to share the back field with a fellow 1st round pick.

Both are Studs and i would love to have Larry Johnson on my team too.
I remember when L. Johnson came out. All the experts were saying that he was a homerun hitter against poor d's and struggled emensely against good d's. His sr season he had no 100 games against what was considered teams with good d's.

You just never know how these players are gonna translate in the pro's.

Jack Bauer
01-10-2006, 01:18 PM
When you fumble...err....pitch it and then it turns into a fumble, you do not credit for the yardage.
The TD was not 20yrd out (I think)

Yes you do (that was a 35 yard reception) and the TD was 26 yards.

tulexan
01-10-2006, 01:23 PM
Yes you do (that was a reception) and the TD was 26 yards.

I believe he also had a 20 yard play at the end of the game.

Jack Bauer
01-10-2006, 01:26 PM
I believe he also had a 20 yard play at the end of the game.

You are correct, another 20+ yard play. I looked at the play-by-play on that one and it was a 26 yard reception (USC 31 to Texas 43).

Big B Texan Fan
01-10-2006, 01:42 PM
Yes you do (that was a 35 yard reception) and the TD was 26 yards.
You're right, My bad. I looked it up.http://www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/football_stats_manual/2005/2005_football_stats_manual.pdf

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CaptainPatriot
01-10-2006, 06:08 PM
The top picked running back in the draft is often the foundation of many many great teams.

Just a few of the Top picked Running Backs in the last 30 years or so.

Franco Harris
Walter Payton
John Riggins
OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Ottis Anderson
Eric Dickerson
Bo Jackson
Barry Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Warrick Dunn
Edgerrin James
Jamal Lewis
LaDainian Tomlinson
Willis McGahee

Here is the real kicker almost everyone of these guys average a little over 6 yards per carry in College. Reggie push is average well over 8 yards per carry in College. Statistically Reggie Bush is the best college running back to ever come out of college.



This is true but they weren`t taken #1 over all in their draft year. Like they are trying to do with Bush

tulexan
01-10-2006, 06:10 PM
Earl Campbell was taken #1 overall

LBC_Justin
01-10-2006, 06:27 PM
This is true but they weren`t taken #1 over all in their draft year. Like they are trying to do with BushAgreed.
The point is the top Running Back in the draft not only turns out to be a good player but often turns out to be the cornerstone of a championship team.

I can't recall a single top running back EVER busting because of lack of talent. Injury is always what brings them down.

CaptainPatriot
01-10-2006, 09:29 PM
Agreed.
The point is the top Running Back in the draft not only turns out to be a good player but often turns out to be the cornerstone of a championship team.

I can't recall a single top running back EVER busting because of lack of talent. Injury is always what brings them down.


true with injuries that`s why I would never draft a back high in the draft. T.D . of the Broncos was a steal. Always a decent RB in 2nd and 3rd round. Long as there is decent O-Line. All you need is 3.4 yds a down to keep chains moving. Plus with salary cap you pay that much for a high 1st rounder and he gets injured and your all done. You have to save some of that money for decent backups.

CaptainPatriot
01-10-2006, 10:01 PM
Marshall Faulk? 1994?? When was the last QB taken 1st overall and won a superbowl? Troy Aikman. 1989.


Faulk wasn`t taken 1st overall in the Draft that yr

CaptainPatriot
01-10-2006, 10:09 PM
The top picked running back in the draft is often the foundation of many many great teams.

Just a few of the Top picked Running Backs in the last 30 years or so.

Franco Harris
Walter Payton
John Riggins
OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Ottis Anderson
Eric Dickerson
Bo Jackson
Barry Sanders
Marshall Faulk
Warrick Dunn
Edgerrin James
Jamal Lewis
LaDainian Tomlinson
Willis McGahee

Here is the real kicker almost everyone of these guys average a little over 6 yards per carry in College. Reggie push is average well over 8 yards per carry in College. Statistically Reggie Bush is the best college running back to ever come out of college.



Looking back at your list the RB`s that have Won the Super Bowl. The 1 thing they have in common is they had great defenses. Except for Faulk they had a ok Defense.
I guess what it comes down to. Is if you want intertaining football go for the talented back in the 1st round. If you want Championships build your Defense in the 1st rounds

pskinny
01-10-2006, 10:18 PM
Faulk wasn`t taken 1st overall in the Draft that yr

You're right. He was 2nd. My bad CP.

run-david-run
01-10-2006, 10:55 PM
LMAO!!! lol: "know who I'm talking to"?! :heh:

You reply to me with...



...and from this I'm supposed to deduct that your opinion is more valid that those that are paid to do it professionally?!

Please, educate me with your impressive resume of NFL talent scouting. And all this time I thought you were just another anonymous perp on an internet forum. :hmmm:
PLease educatee me with the talent scouting abilities of ESPN... just becasue NFLive says he will be great does not make it true. All the talking heads said Ryan Leaf should be in consideration for the #1 along with Peyton Manning, how did that work out?

El Tejano
01-10-2006, 11:28 PM
Okay if Reggie is supposed to be a 20 touch guy, whose to say we cannot use the backs we currently have for that purpose? I actually would like to see what Morency can do with the new coach. I think we forget the potential of veterans we have in our backfield. I know, Reggie can break it all the way. Well then how come he can run all over pro defenses but Young can't?

texplayer2
01-11-2006, 12:08 PM
Okay if Reggie is supposed to be a 20 touch guy, whose to say we cannot use the backs we currently have for that purpose? I actually would like to see what Morency can do with the new coach. I think we forget the potential of veterans we have in our backfield. I know, Reggie can break it all the way. Well then how come he can run all over pro defenses but Young can't?

It is not the run all over them effect as much as them having to cover him and watch the QB. With Young the defense could do what they did to Carr this year. Defensive Huddle at the QB.

exclude
01-11-2006, 12:17 PM
.... I know, Reggie can break it all the way. Well then how come he can run all over pro defenses but Young can't?

Young won't run around NFl defenses because he's not as quick.

The only reason Vick is surviving now without his passing game is he has Bush-like quickness.

Young is smoove, silky smoove and his style of play, if he decides to be a runner like Vick, will get him killed.

Young would have to be a pocket passer first, runner second, but see I don't think its in his nature to be like that. Remember,the UT coaching staff had to change the offense to accomodate VY's style?? Drafting VY will force the Texans to change into that style of offense and I don't know if our team is built for the spread-option since that type of offense REALLY REALLY good Tackles.

Double Barrel
01-11-2006, 12:42 PM
PLease educatee me with the talent scouting abilities of ESPN... just becasue NFLive says he will be great does not make it true. All the talking heads said Ryan Leaf should be in consideration for the #1 along with Peyton Manning, how did that work out?

Far more professional NFL scouts than the talking heads at ESPN have rated Reggie Bush as one of the great college prospects (same for Young, too). Perhaps you would do well to get more than basic cable. There are other sources of sports news out there beyond the tip of your nose. :ok:

With regards to your Ryan Leaf blast, what guarantee is there that either Bush or Young will have Hall of Fame careers? idonno: There are no guarantees in the NFL.

Bayern
01-11-2006, 01:05 PM
Oh my god.

Allright I got to about page 3 and said screw it and came to the end.

I am a Bush supporter. That being said I am responding to the "can he handle the 20 carry load." Folks correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Tampa Bay take the same risk last year with ROTY Cadillac Williams (who split the time with starter Ronnie Brown in college)?

For that matter (and with the exception of the Rose Bowl) why should USC of given the ball to Bush more than those 15 carries and thus take away White's carries? Pete Carroll easily split them perfectly down the middle, kept both fresh, and completely went undefeated for all those games.

I just don't see this argument that he CAN'T handle the load. When the hell has he had to prove that? :confused:

exclude
01-11-2006, 03:08 PM
Oh my god.

Allright I got to about page 3 and said screw it and came to the end.

I am a Bush supporter. That being said I am responding to the "can he handle the 20 carry load." Folks correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Tampa Bay take the same risk last year with ROTY Cadillac Williams (who split the time with starter Ronnie Brown in college)?

For that matter (and with the exception of the Rose Bowl) why should USC of given the ball to Bush more than those 15 carries and thus take away White's carries? Pete Carroll easily split them perfectly down the middle, kept both fresh, and completely went undefeated for all those games.

I just don't see this argument that he CAN'T handle the load. When the hell has he had to prove that?

Amen to that!!