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LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 04:48 PM
New Orleans is not an attractive prospect right now, though. That's for sure.

Please, explain why it's not an attractive spot?

The Dream
01-08-2006, 04:49 PM
uhhhhhhhhhhhh cause the city's destroyed, the team stinks, do I really need to go on?

Tulip
01-08-2006, 04:52 PM
Please, explain why it's not an attractive spot?

Cheap owner, perennially underachieving team, no one knows where the team is going to move and when, and - to add on top of all that - Katrina.

If the Saints' free agents don't want to be there, why would draft prospects want to be?

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 04:56 PM
uhhhhhhhhhhhh cause the city's destroyed

The city is being rebuilt, the Superdome is being rebuilt, hell they are already playing college basketball in New Orleans and the Hornets will be playing 3 games back there this season. I don't think you really know the conditions of the city, cause if it was that bad Taglibue would not let the Saints play in New Orleans next season.

the team stinks

The Saints has way less holes than you think. But, I'll just let you live in your little delusional world on that one.

do I really need to go on?
Not really, you should have never replied to me to begin with cause my question was never intended for you.

Khari
01-08-2006, 05:02 PM
personal insults will get your posts deleted

The Dream
01-08-2006, 05:04 PM
I apologize.....but he insulted me first, so I had to reply.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:07 PM
Cheap owner

This is gonna change, the Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis seems intent on turning this team into a winner. It was his decision to fire Haslett, and Tom Ben$son gave him full authority to turn this team around with no questions asked.

perennially underachieving team

It seems the Saints aren't the only underachieving team, plus that will be changed next season with a better coach in place.

no one knows where the team is going to move and when, and - to add on top of all that - Katrina.

Well right now, they are in Louisiana and the commissioner is giving the people of Louisiana a chance to show that they can still support the team. It's up to the fans to show that they can still support the team. As far as Katrina, well that's over.

If the Saints' free agents don't want to be there, why would draft prospects want to be?

Please name the free agents that don't won't to be there. The only free agents I know that are leaving is Darren Howard. LeCharles will be franchised, and he also said in a interview with Kenny Wilkerson that he wants to play with the Saints.

The Dream
01-08-2006, 05:08 PM
Most people in N.O. (the ones that are still there) aren't concerned about sports (of any kind) right now.

Tulip
01-08-2006, 05:09 PM
It's going to change, it's going to change.....

When it does, I'm sure players will be interested in New Orleans again.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:11 PM
Most people in N.O. (the ones that are still there) aren't concerned about sports (of any kind) right now.

And you know this how????

The Dream
01-08-2006, 05:14 PM
Look no one wants to go to a team that might change cities and who's city is destroyed.......it will take a long time before that city is even close to normal again.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:14 PM
It's going to change, it's going to change.....

When it does, I'm sure players will be interested in New Orleans again.

The organization is making step towards change, it's pretty obvious when they decided to let Haslett go. What else can be proven right now? The Saints will be interviewing head coaching candidates next week when they officially move back into their training facility.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 05:17 PM
Look no one wants to go to a team that might change cities and who's city is destroyed.......it will take a long time before that city is even close to normal again.

Have you been to New Orleans recently?

BREAZE
01-08-2006, 05:19 PM
This is gonna change, the Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis seems intent on turning this team into a winner. It was his decision to fire Haslett, and Tom Ben$son gave him full authority to turn this team around with no questions asked.



It seems the Saints aren't the only underachieving team, plus that will be changed next season with a better coach in place.



Well right now, they are in Louisiana and the commissioner is giving the people of Louisiana a chance to show that they can still support the team. It's up to the fans to show that they can still support the team. As far as Katrina, well that's over.



Please name the free agents that don't won't to be there. The only free agents I know that are leaving is Darren Howard. LeCharles will be franchised, and he also said in a interview with Kenny Wilkerson that he wants to play with the Saints.

Do we really need to explain this any further? Look, don't take this wrong but you don't reside in N.O.. If your boss made you re-locate your family there right now I'm guessing you would not be dancing in the streets. Its unfortunate what happened there and nobody is questioning that the city is not rebuilding and things won't get better...N.O. will and they will be stronger for it! Its just not a place you want to start an NFL career at right now. Its like re-locating into a house that is undergoing a complete remodel...its confusing, loud, dusty, and hard to focus...

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:19 PM
Look no one wants to go to a team that might change cities and who's city is destroyed.......it will take a long time before that city is even close to normal again.

And your opinion speaks for everyone?

Man, just stop, this doesn't need to continue any further.

Obviously, you really don't know the conditions of the city, other than the damage you seen on tv.

The Dream
01-08-2006, 05:20 PM
Have you been to New Orleans recently?



Yes, actually I have....I work at a real estate office and we always get people from N.O. coming in saying they want out of their city, because there's nothing to go back to, just because there are a few businesses opened in the French Quarter doesn't mean the city is back to normal.....I'm done arguing this point, because I think some people like to argue just for the sake of it.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:22 PM
Do we really need to explain this any further? Look, don't take this wrong but you don't reside in N.O.. If your boss made you re-locate your family there right now I'm guessing you would not be dancing in the streets. Its unfortunate what happened there and nobody is questioning that the city is not rebuilding and things won't get better...N.O. will and they will be stronger for it! Its just not a place you want to start an NFL career at right now. Its like re-locating into a house that is undergoing a complete remodel...its confusing, loud, dusty, and hard to focus...

You really don't know the conditions of the city other than what you saw on TV. Just ask yourself, if the commissioner has been to New Orleans, do you really think he would let one of his teams play in the city of New Orleans if things were that bad. I mean the commissioner is observing this whole thing.

BREAZE
01-08-2006, 05:25 PM
You really don't know the conditions of the city other than what you saw on TV. Just ask yourself, if the commissioner has been to New Orleans, do you really think he would let one of his teams play in the city of New Orleans if things were that bad. I mean the commissioner is observing this whole thing.

My job has me going there. Look, if Greyhound is having tours to take folks around to see damage then the city has a ways to go...but it will get there...;)

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:27 PM
Yes, actually I have....I work at a real estate office and we always get people from N.O. coming in saying they want out of their city

What affect does this really have on rather a team is playing their though?

The games are played in a stadium that is being repaired.

The Dream
01-08-2006, 05:30 PM
It's not fun playing in front of a empty stadium....N.O. has so many problems they need to be focusing on before their sports teams.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:34 PM
It's not fun playing in front of a empty stadium.....

So the stadium is gonna be empty because a majority of the people in New Orleans are not living there anymore? Fans do travel to games, and not all Saints fans were just in the city of New Orleans or even the State of Louisiana. The Saints have fans in the state of Mississippi, Alabama, even some in Texas even before the relocation to San Antonio.

Jack Bauer
01-08-2006, 05:36 PM
What affect does this really have on rather a team is playing their though?

The games are played in a stadium that is being repaired.

If the city of New Orleans' population never regains the numbers before Katrina, the NFL will not remain there long term. There are estimates that the city will probably be a city of approximately 250,000. Unless the number gets to pre-Katrina numbers, the team will move. The team is barely viable with the approximately 500,000 it had before Katrina.

I don't like the way Benson handled the situation, but I do think NO is in danger of losing their team down the road.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 05:40 PM
Yes, actually I have....I work at a real estate office and we always get people from N.O. coming in saying they want out of their city, because there's nothing to go back to, just because there are a few businesses opened in the French Quarter doesn't mean the city is back to normal.....I'm done arguing this point, because I think some people like to argue just for the sake of it.


Have you physically been there? Because I have been back there and am moving back to New Orleans next week. Yes, there are a lot of bad areas that are going to take a long time to rebuild. Nobody is denying it. But I really don't think that Vince Young or Matt Leinart or whoever is going to be spending a lot of time in the Lower 9th Ward, Chalmette, and the Lakeview areas. They will probably be living and doing stuff in one of four areas, the West Bank, Metarie, Downtown, or Uptown. All of those areas are relatively unscathed compared to some of the other areas.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:40 PM
If the city of New Orleans' population never regains the numbers before Katrina, the NFL will not remain there long term. There are estimates that the city will probably be a city of approximately 250,000. Unless the number gets to pre-Katrina numbers, the team will move. The team is barely viable with the approximately 500,000 it had before Katrina.

I don't like the way Benson handled the situation, but I do think NO is in danger of losing their team down the road.

Refer to post #55 please?

Bongo59
01-08-2006, 05:41 PM
I am in NO right now.............Jefferson Parish in Metairie where the training facility is is perfectly normal................Orleans Parish is a complete mess...............nothing north of Carrolton Ave is livable and NO East and St Bernanrd Parish will not have any inhabitants for the next decade....................there is no power still in parts of downtown NO.................when NO had a full population they could not fill the dome.............now that the city has 50% of its population I expect 25 K in the dome.....................the City wont be normal for at least a decade.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:44 PM
when NO had a full population they could not fill the dome

You sure about that?

Cause I've been to a few of those sellouts before.

Jack Bauer
01-08-2006, 05:47 PM
Refer to post #55 please?

And I stand by my original statement. Even with people coming from outside New Orleans, the city can not support a professional football team with a population of 250,000 or less. The Saints were BARELY viable with 500,000 people in the city as I said before. If you take 250,000 people from the city, it will be impossible. The television market was already pretty bad, now it is even worse. I just don't see it working unless the city reaches levels we just can't imagine right now.

FWIW, I do want to say that New Orleans loves the Saints. I just do not think it is viable for the team to stay there in the current state. Saints attendance wasn't that far behind Houston's before this season (not the only measure of viability).

tulexan
01-08-2006, 05:49 PM
I have to say that for a city that doesn't have many people there, the traffic is awful. It is getting close to Houston levels.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:56 PM
And I stand by my original statement. Even with people coming from outside New Orleans, the city can not support a professional football team with a population of 250,000 or less. The Saints were BARELY viable with 500,000 people in the city as I said before. If you take 250,000 people from the city, it will be impossible. The television market was already pretty bad, now it is even worse. I just don't see it working unless the city reaches levels we just can't imagine right now.

I didn't think that would have any affect on this really.

I thought the commissioner was giving the fans and entire state a chance to see if it can still support the team. It's impossible to expect just the city of New Orleans to support the team with the condition that the city is in right now.

dat_boy_yec
01-08-2006, 06:25 PM
I don't think this thread has any real validity. Most draft picks would be thankful to play for any team. Just because Eli Manning pulled a ***** move and refused to play for SD doesn't mean that any of this yrs draft prospects share the same perspective. Point A) NO may suck, but guess what if the w-l record is any indication then we suck worse. I don't know about their specific team potential, but they have a good receiver in Horn and good back in McAllister. If Brooks left then they are in great position (even though I thought he said if they went to another city he would leave, which makes me doubt it would happen cuz the st's are staying in NO for the time being.)to draft a good QB right now or get a QB in FA. Also I don't think we could say their line is worse than ours considering we want one of their linemen. Point B) perennial underachievers, this really has nothing to do with the future, NO could turn things around next yr. they are in the same boat as us. No head coach as of yet and a good high draft pick. Matter of fact they might be in better position then us to improve next yr. Point C) rebuilding in the city is bad, but once the situation settles down the Saint's should once again be well settled in NO, and fanbase could go up because the team distracted the cities inhabitants during a dark time. I would not wish for NO to loose a team the way we did. Damn Bud for that.

bdiddy
01-08-2006, 07:00 PM
No offense by the Saints have won one playoff game in their history, do not have a coach (Haslett could not wait to get out of town), a poor and cheap owner, no QB, and are playing in a city that will take at least a decade to be rebuilt.

New Orleans is that, trust me I live in San Antonio and we have got plenty of Saints coverage. The players do not want to go back because they no as much. I admire your dedication to your team and wish the Saints and the city the best, but if you are honest with yourself you have to realize N.O. is not an attractive franchise right now.

Fiddy
01-08-2006, 07:21 PM
The city is being rebuilt, the Superdome is being rebuilt, hell they are already playing college basketball in New Orleans and the Hornets will be playing 3 games back there this season. I don't think you really know the conditions of the city, cause if it was that bad Taglibue would not let the Saints play in New Orleans next season. I'm pretty sure New Orleans is still missing around 60-65% of its population before Katrina...

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 07:26 PM
I'm pretty sure New Orleans is still missing around 60-65% of its population before Katrina...

I don't get itidonno:

Fiddy
01-08-2006, 07:29 PM
I don't get itidonno: It's like the Jacksonville situation, it's hard to fill up a statidum when it would take a good portion of the city to be their at the game. These people are also rebuilding so they cant spend hundreds of dollars on a football game when they need to rebuild their lives.

Wolf
01-08-2006, 07:47 PM
change the uniforms and that might be the 1st step to making the city better

sorry had to throw some ill fated humor on here.

Nothing against N.O. but if L.A. had a stadium ready right now.. the commish would have yanked that team to L.A. and not have a small debate about whether the owner wanted to move to San Antonio and the league wanted to stay in N.O.

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-09-2006, 09:45 AM
The problems with the NO Saints are many. I don't envy the situation that they are in one bit. The team was already being subsidized by the State of Loiusiana to stay, as it is not economically viable as an NFL franchise to be there in the first place. NFL teams NEED big business, luxury boxes, TV ratings, & merchandising to stay profitable in todays times of huge salaries. The problem before Katrina was there is only 1 Fortune 500 company in LA period. That's not going to get it done. Saints tickets were being given away practically to garner support for the team. Now Katrina has come. The city of NO & state of LA have NO BUSINESS giving sports franchises a single penny while there are still in a disaster area. The Superdome with the bathroom rapes and piles of dead bodies & fecal matter needs to be razed...Benson should be allowed to move the team to San Antonio. The city has show that they will support the team in every way. As far as Tagliabue giving a crap about the Saints, please. His act this season has shown he doesn't give 2 craps about the Saints, or Louisiana. The NFL gave a Million dollars for relief. That doesn't even register as pocket lint for them.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8790459

Kevin Garnett of the T-Wolves gave more than the NFL.
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/community/garnett_oprah_051110.html


When Tagliabue FINALLY met with Saints personnel at the end of the season, he answered all questions except one. A Saints player asked Tagliabue if he would have his family in NO. Tagliabue just ignored the question. SAD.

MorKnolle
01-09-2006, 10:28 AM
Another note, even before Katrina, New Orleans was one of, if not the worst, team in NFL in terms of fan support, revenue generation, and general profitability. I think Hurrican Katrina will actually keep the team there longer as the NFL tries to support the rebuilding of the city and everything, but without that happening I think the Saints would have been headed to Los Angeles within a couple years anyways, which may be prolonged longer now, but I still think it is inevitable.

donato
01-09-2006, 12:31 PM
Another note, even before Katrina, New Orleans was one of, if not the worst, team in NFL in terms of fan support, revenue generation, and general profitability. I think Hurrican Katrina will actually keep the team there longer as the NFL tries to support the rebuilding of the city and everything, but without that happening I think the Saints would have been headed to Los Angeles within a couple years anyways, which may be prolonged longer now, but I still think it is inevitable.


Please don't spread misinformation like this. You are only adding to widely thought falsehoods and showing your own ignorance. The Saints were one of the BEST franchises as far as fan support goes. This is proven by having 36 consecutive sellouts leading up to their temporary move to San Antonio. This despite their losing ways on the field and a hated owner. It has yet to be seen if fans will continue to pack the superdome, but you also have to realize that a large portion of the fans with money (middle and upper class) just moved across Lake Ponchatrain to Covington/Mandaville or to Baton Rouge and surrounding areas. I think fans will rally knowing what is at stake and support the team more than ever before. This coupled with the excitement over a Leinert/Bush, and a determined government/league to keep the team will get it done. The Saints aren't going anywhere.

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-09-2006, 04:13 PM
Yes, the Saints fans have shown that they can pack a stadium like no other. They all have excellent hands, accepting near free tickets. As far as "fans rallying", huh? Lemme see, I'll take the 4 tickets for $40 instead of rebuilding my house. Right. I for one would like to see the government determined to do something that makes sense, like feeding & housing people. Screw football.

TheOgre
01-09-2006, 04:46 PM
Young/Lineart, McAllister, Horn, and Stallworth make for a formidable set of skill position players. They have pass-rushing ends coming out of all orifices. This team can get to the playoffs fast with a good head coach if it weren't for the "other problems". There are some issues right now:

1. The owner wanted to move this team BEFORE Katrina. They had to pay him $15 million a year just to keep him in town. It is still an option and an issue.

2. New Orleans is still a city in flux. They may not even have the Super Dome ready for play in 2006. There are health concerns and more pressing issues than a football team right now in that city.

3. The city was "small" for NFL standards. They have lost a considerable amount of their residents permanently. Even if they fill the seats due to "city pride" the first couple of seasons, how long will it be before it returns to "normal" and it is an issue again?

4. It will be difficult to sign FA's to come play there. Why would anyone want to go through the hell they endured last year?

I just have more questions than answers when it comes to the Saint's future.

LikeABoss
01-09-2006, 09:24 PM
NFL teams NEED big business, luxury boxes, TV ratings, & merchandising to stay profitable in todays times of huge salaries.

The Green Bay Packers don't even have a majority of this stuff. Are they suffering without it?

Benson should be allowed to move the team to San Antonio. The city has show that they will support the team in every way.

Who gives a crap about San Antonio and the people there. I would rather the team move to L.A. before Tag's decides to give the people of that city a football franchise. San Antonio doesn't deserve a NFL franchise, especially after the classless way the mayor and people of that city handled this whole situation. Anybody BUT San Antonio is worthy of having the Saints if they decide to leave.

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-09-2006, 09:53 PM
The Green bay Packers are publicly held, that's why they aren't suffering. "Titletown" also has a heritage of winning championships. San Antonio did exactly what the front running non fans of So Cal couldn't do. They had OPEN ARMS, a stadium, plans to renovate, local government and HUGE corporations behind their efforts. Sounds good to me. What would the Saints have done without San Antonio last year? Many a Texans fan would think that Los Angeles would never deserve a franchise after all the BS that Tagliabue shoveled on the city of Houston during the expansion process. So Cal has the worst fans (unless they are winning championships).

LikeABoss
01-09-2006, 10:16 PM
The Green bay Packers are publicly held, that's why they aren't suffering.

And who publicly holds the Packers?

"Titletown" also has a heritage of winning championships.

And the pathetic people of San Antonio are the ones that want to inherit this dissaster of a franchise and and it's pathetic loser of an owner. So what's your point?

San Antonio did exactly what the front running non fans of So Cal couldn't do. They had OPEN ARMS, a stadium, plans to renovate, local government and HUGE corporations behind their efforts. Sounds good to me.

The people of San Antonio and that coward, punk ***** of a mayor Phil Turdbuger are the most classless, unsympathetic, uncompassionate people on this got damn planet. To sit up here and slap the people of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana right in the face while SUPPOSEDLY trying to lend a hand, says enough about the people of that city. Trust me, there is not alot of respect for people over there coming from here. They definitely won't recieve a warm welcome if they come to any Saints games out here in Baton Rouge or New Orleans next season that's for sure.

What would the Saints have done without San Antonio last year?

Go to Oklahoma City like the Hornetsidonno:

profan
01-09-2006, 10:20 PM
The Green Bay Packers don't even have a majority of this stuff. Are they suffering without it?



Who gives a crap about San Antonio and the people there. I would rather the team move to L.A. before Tag's decides to give the people of that city a football franchise. San Antonio doesn't deserve a NFL franchise, especially after the classless way the mayor and people of that city handled this whole situation. Anybody BUT San Antonio is worthy of having the Saints if they decide to leave.

I tell you that was really sorry of San Antonio trying to take advantage of New Orleans after the worst natural disaster in it's history. I would fly to New Orleans to watch the texans play, but i would not walk across the street to support a San Antonio Team.

profan
01-09-2006, 10:28 PM
I still don't see how New Orleans can support a team right now, and if I understand it correctly, the state was paying the saints a substancial amount of money already. Tag. needs to convince Benson to move his franchise to LA. New Orleans would keep the rights to the teams name and colors, then, when the city gets back on it's feet and people and bussiness, then, award the city a new franchise with the old name and colors. You get rid of Benson and get a fresh start. Worked well in Houston.

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-09-2006, 10:35 PM
Titletown is Green Bay...

LikeABoss
01-09-2006, 10:49 PM
I still don't see how New Orleans can support a team right now

The city can't support the team alone, especially not at it's current state.

and if I understand it correctly, the state was paying the saints a substancial amount of money already.

True, Tom Ben$on is raping the state out of money while refusing to at least put a competent product on to the field. The state has been trying to redo this contract since last season before Katrina was even a after thought, but old Tom just kept on refusing. What's funny is the people of San Antonio is willing to inherit this franchise with that sorry pathetic loser of an owner. Do they not think he would not try to do the same thing to them like he has done to us?

Tag. needs to convince Benson to move his franchise to LA. New Orleans would keep the rights to the teams name and colors, then, when the city gets back on it's feet and people and bussiness, then, award the city a new franchise with the old name and colors.

L.A. doesn't want the team if Ben$on is still the owner. What Tags needs to do is convince that old turd to sell the team to Terry Bradshaw and his investment crew who wants to keep the Saints in Louisiana. But the old turd does not want to sell the team because he wants his little grand daughter to take over after he steps down:rolleyes:

You get rid of Benson and get a fresh start.

Exactumundo.

MorKnolle
01-09-2006, 10:58 PM
I still don't see how New Orleans can support a team right now, and if I understand it correctly, the state was paying the saints a substancial amount of money already. Tag. needs to convince Benson to move his franchise to LA. New Orleans would keep the rights to the teams name and colors, then, when the city gets back on it's feet and people and bussiness, then, award the city a new franchise with the old name and colors. You get rid of Benson and get a fresh start. Worked well in Houston.

I don't think Tagliabue needs to convince Benson to move the team, Benson seems to be the #1 advocate of moving, and Tagliabue and the league are the ones that wanted to keep the team in New Orleans.

profan
01-09-2006, 11:21 PM
Well, Benson wants to bring the team to San Antonio. I have not heard of him wanting to relocate anywhere else. I think Tag. would need to convince him not to move the team to SA and move it to LA. If Benson moved the team to San Antonio, New Orleans may not get a team, as the next probable move would be La. The NFL does not want to abandon Orleans in the wake of this hurricane, and i personaly would like to see the team succeed in New Orleans, but there is just too much to take care of and rebuild over there that will take years, and i just don't see an nfl franchise surviving during this period. The town has lost too much of it's population. Benson should keep his mouth shut about San Antonio and do everything possible to remain in NO, but if it does not work out, and i don't think it will, then relocate that franchise to LA, and leave the saints name in New Orleans for better days.

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-10-2006, 09:04 AM
Bottom line, the Saints are finished in New Orleans. Benson will be leaving for San Antonio or LA. Benson will be filing a lawsuit to make it happen, just like Al Davis (a true turd). Look at the storied Baltimore Colts moving to Indy, the St. Louis Cardinals moving to Arizona, and the Cleveland Brown going back to Baltimore. ALL those teams had solid fan bases, as well as a tradition winning. ALL those teams left over $$$. $$$ beats fans every time. Tag (or his Yoda, Pete Rozelle) had a hand in *****ing every one of those cities. Newsflash, there was no devastating Act of God involved. It was over stadiums, & TV (just like NO). I can't see how you can be mad at Benson for taking the deal they offered him in Louisiana. It's like beig mad at a Grizzly Bear for eating someone. Grizzly's eat people, it's what they do. NFL owners care about their bottom line first and foremost, It's what they do.

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-10-2006, 09:11 AM
LikeABoss, publicly held means they have something called stockholders. The stockholders have a board of dirrectors that vote on team business. Privately held (most franchises) means that they are owned by an individual. Privately held franchises have an owner that makes all the decisions, because they can.









Of all the reasons that make the Green Bay Packers and their story so incredible and unique, the most significant is simply this: The team is literally owned by its fans.

Presently, 111,921 people (representing 4,749,925 shares) can lay claim to a franchise ownership interest.

Shares of stock include voting rights, but the redemption price is minimal, no dividends are ever paid, the stock cannot appreciate in value, and there are no season ticket privileges associated with stock ownership. No shareholder is allowed to own more than 200,000 shares, a safeguard to ensure that no one individual is able to assume control of the club.

The team has had three owners, all in its first four years, 1919-22. The first owner, Indian Packing Company, paid an unofficial purchase price of $500 to supply Curly Lambeau with uniforms and equipment. In turn, Lambeau and team manager George Calhoun called the club "Packers."

Shortly thereafter, Acme Packing Company bought Indian Packing Company and all its assets, including the fledgling team. In 1921, Lambeau convinced new owners John and Emmitt Clair to apply for membership in the new American Professional Football Association (early NFL).

With the team already headed for bankruptcy, the APFA revoked the franchise after Lambeau used illegal college players in a non-league game later that year. But before the 1922 season, Lambeau by himself reapplied and the league reinstated the Packers, with Lambeau as owner. When rain threatened to sink the team in '22, A.B. Turnbull came to the rescue.

Turnbull, publisher of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, grocery man Lee Joannes, attorney Gerald Clifford and Dr. W. Webber Kelly cancelled Lambeau's $2,500 debt, then rallied the community behind the team. In August, 1923, with more than 400 in attendance at a local Elks Club, the club was transformed into a non-profit entity, the Green Bay Packers Corporation. The five men, including Lambeau, were nicknamed the Hungry Five.

There now have been four stock drives in the 86-year history of the team. The first stock sale, which took place at that 1923 meeting, saw local merchants raise $5,000 by selling 1,000 shares for $5 apiece, with a stipulation that the purchaser also had to buy at least six season tickets.

The second, in 1935, raised $15,000 after the corporation had gone into receivership. At that point, the non-profit Green Bay Football Corporation was reorganized as the Green Bay Packers, Inc., the present company, with 300 shares of stock outstanding.

The third, in 1950, came on the heels of founder Curly Lambeau's 30-year dominion, when the club's officers arranged to amend the corporation's bylaws to permit the sale of up to 10,000 total shares of stock (opening up more than 9,500 shares for purchase), to limit the number of shares that any individual could own. The team also increased the number of directors from 15 to 25.

The response to the '50 drive was inspiring, with people from all across Wisconsin, as well as former Green Bay residents living in other states, coming forward to buy the $25 shares of stock. Roughly $50,000 was raised in one 11-day period alone. Reportedly, one woman from a farm near Wrightstown, Wis., showed up at the team's offices with $25 worth of quarters in a match box. A total of about $118,000 was generated through this major stock sale, helping to put the Packers on a sound financial basis once again.

The fourth came late in 1997 and early in 1998. It added 105,989 new shareholders and raised more than $24 million, monies which were utilized for the Lambeau Field redevelopment project. Priced at $200 per share, fans bought 120,010 shares during the 17-week sale, which ended March 16, 1998.

With the NFL supporting the plan, the existing 1,940 shareholders overwhelmingly voted to amend the articles of the corporation on Nov. 13, 1997. The vote authorized the Packers to sell up to 1 million shares to raise funds for capital improvements, and received a 1,000 to 1 split on their original shares. Fans immediately were able to call a special toll-free number, or tap into the team's Web site for information on how to buy the 400,000 shares made available to the public.

The initial response to the recent stock offering was staggering. In the first 11 days, roughly one-third - or $7.8 million - of the total amount transacted was sold. Paid orders poured in at a rate of 3,500 per day during this early period, generating about $700,000 each day. The sale hit its high point during the first week of December as fans purchased shares as holiday gifts.

Shares of stock were purchased by citizens from all 50 states, in addition to fans in Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands. Over half (or roughly 64,300) of the new shares during the 1997-98 offering were bought by Wisconsin residents, followed by inhabitants of Illinois (9,600), Minnesota (4,300), California (3,700), Florida (2,900), Michigan (2,800), Texas (2,500) and Ohio (2,000).

Today, an annual meeting of stockholders is held in July - most recently at Green Bay's new Resch Center. As a means of running the corporation, a board of directors is elected by the stockholders. The board of directors in turn elect a seven-member Executive Committee (officers) of the corporation, consisting of a president, vice president, treasurer, secretary and three members-at-large. The president is the only officer who receives compensation. The balance of the committe is sitting gratis.

Shares of stock cannot be re-sold, except back to the team for a fraction of the original price. Limited transfer of shares (ie., to heirs and relatives) is permissible.

Based on the original 'Articles of Incorporation for the (then) Green Bay Football Corporation' put into place in 1923, if the Packers franchise was sold, after the payment of all expenses, any remaining monies would go to the Sullivan-Wallen Post of the American Legion in order to build "a proper soldier's memorial." This stipulation was enacted to ensure that the club remained in Green Bay and that there could never be any financial enhancement for the shareholder. The beneficiary was changed from the Sullivan-Wallen Post to the Green Bay Packers Foundation on the basis of a shareholder vote at the November 1997 meeting.


http://www.packers.com/history/fast_facts/stock_history/

donato
01-10-2006, 11:43 AM
Yes, the Saints fans have shown that they can pack a stadium like no other. They all have excellent hands, accepting near free tickets. As far as "fans rallying", huh? Lemme see, I'll take the 4 tickets for $40 instead of rebuilding my house. Right. I for one would like to see the government determined to do something that makes sense, like feeding & housing people. Screw football.


Actually, tickets have NEVER been given away or discounted in New Orleans. The only time that has EVER happened was in SAN ANTONIO. Tickets were discounted half-price when sales were low, 8,000 were given away to people in the first game, and over 10,000 were bought by businesses in San Antonio for the last game (no way would that continue).

donato
01-10-2006, 11:49 AM
I don't think Tagliabue needs to convince Benson to move the team, Benson seems to be the #1 advocate of moving, and Tagliabue and the league are the ones that wanted to keep the team in New Orleans.


The only problem is that Los Angeles wants a local owner and all reports say they don't want Benson. Benson says he won't sell (there have already been three confirmed groups in Louisiana with enough funds offering to buy the Saints to keep them in Louisiana). The league would more than likely block the move to San Antonio (completely lateral move). Benson could take the league to court, but several lawyers have already commented on how Benson wouldn't have a leg to stand on (check out the Times-Picayune archives). This isn't the same case as the Al Davis vs. City of Los Angeles. If the Saints are supported, and many think they will be, they aren't going anywhere. The government in Louisiana said they can't afford to lose the Saints and will do everything to keep them. The Saints finished 12th in the league in revenue the year before Katrina. Benson is more than likely, as usual, just trying to rape the state for more money.

bigcarlos
01-11-2006, 12:08 AM
Bottom line, the Saints are finished in New Orleans. Benson will be leaving for San Antonio or LA. Benson will be filing a lawsuit to make it happen, just like Al Davis (a true turd). Look at the storied Baltimore Colts moving to Indy, the St. Louis Cardinals moving to Arizona, and the Cleveland Brown going back to Baltimore. ALL those teams had solid fan bases, as well as a tradition winning. ALL those teams left over $$$. $$$ beats fans every time. Tag (or his Yoda, Pete Rozelle) had a hand in *****ing every one of those cities. Newsflash, there was no devastating Act of God involved. It was over stadiums, & TV (just like NO). I can't see how you can be mad at Benson for taking the deal they offered him in Louisiana. It's like beig mad at a Grizzly Bear for eating someone. Grizzly's eat people, it's what they do. NFL owners care about their bottom line first and foremost, It's what they do.
Benson has had a one on one exclusive interview with one of the local SA channels last week. He stated that he cant say that the Saints wont come back to SA. And his wife doesnt like when the people of Louisiana are rude with them:tv: :tv:

donato
01-11-2006, 10:03 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2288751

LikeABoss
01-11-2006, 11:59 PM
http://www.wwltv.com/sports/saints/stories/L_IMAGE.108519f95fb.93.88.fa.d0.696eb7df.jpg

NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue said during a visit to New Orleans on Wednesday that he expects the Louisiana Superdome to host all of the Saints' regular-season home games next season.

Tagliabue also sought to reassure the community that the NFL is not simply moving the Saints back to New Orleans for a single season as a public relations move meant to portray the league as sympathetic to victims of Hurricane Katrina.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2288751


Hopefully this should silence some people.

bigcarlos
01-12-2006, 12:53 AM
Benson sure is gonna lose a lot of money

Jack Bauer
01-12-2006, 11:17 AM
Hopefully this should silence some people.

If the team doesn't make money, the team will move. It will not be a PR move because the league gave NO a chance.

Jack Bauer
01-12-2006, 11:20 AM
Another note, even before Katrina, New Orleans was one of, if not the worst, team in NFL in terms of fan support

MorKnolle, I usually respect what you say, but I couldn't disagree more with this statement. I just think that the current conditions will not justify keeping the Saints in place. Having said that, I hope conditions improve (population) over time to allow the Saints to remain in NO.

MorKnolle
01-12-2006, 12:11 PM
MorKnolle, I usually respect what you say, but I couldn't disagree more with this statement. I just think that the current conditions will not justify keeping the Saints in place. Having said that, I hope conditions improve (population) over time to allow the Saints to remain in NO.

I was just restating what I had heard elsewhere that the Saints were ranked like 28th in the NFL in terms of revenues and all that before the hurricane hit and that it previously seemed like one of the teams that was prime for a relocation, and that in the wake of the hurricane it will be even harder to fill the stadium. I'm not saying I think they should move or that the people in Louisiana don't want or even need the team to stay, just pointing out that New Orleans hadn't exactly been the hotbed of NFL support for several years.

donato
01-12-2006, 04:44 PM
I was just restating what I had heard elsewhere that the Saints were ranked like 28th in the NFL in terms of revenues and all that before the hurricane hit and that it previously seemed like one of the teams that was prime for a relocation, and that in the wake of the hurricane it will be even harder to fill the stadium. I'm not saying I think they should move or that the people in Louisiana don't want or even need the team to stay, just pointing out that New Orleans hadn't exactly been the hotbed of NFL support for several years.

Some of you really should read the other posts or do some homework first. The Saints ranked 12th in revenue the year before Katrina, and had 37 consecutive sellouts leading up to it. I wouldn't be surprised if every game this year is a sellout as well. Saints fans are extremely loyal and a marquee player like Leinert and new blood with a new coach will rejuvenate the fanbase. The Saints are more of a regional team anyway, selling tickets won't be the problem some of the less informed think. The Saints aren't going anywhere (both in terms of moving and probably in terms of winning too :D

LikeABoss
01-12-2006, 08:36 PM
Some of you really should read the other posts or do some homework first. The Saints ranked 12th in revenue the year before Katrina, and had 37 consecutive sellouts leading up to it. I wouldn't be surprised if every game this year is a sellout as well. Saints fans are extremely loyal and a marquee player like Leinert and new blood with a new coach will rejuvenate the fanbase. The Saints are more of a regional team anyway, selling tickets won't be the problem some of the less informed think. The Saints aren't going anywhere (both in terms of moving and probably in terms of winning too :D

Thank you.

I couldn't have said it any better.

Long-Spurs-Texan
01-13-2006, 10:56 AM
Saints family feud :)
http://www.bangcartoon.com/familyfeud.htm