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TexanSam
01-08-2006, 04:54 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?

Khari
01-08-2006, 04:55 PM
No, I won't be upset. Bush, linemen, and defense is fine with me.

Kaiser Toro
01-08-2006, 04:56 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC everyone was all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?

Of course I will not be upset, but I will be disappointed since they did not trade down.

awtysst
01-08-2006, 04:56 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC everyone was all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?

Hold on. I was NEVER ALL FOR Bush coming here. I wanted to explore possible trade downs and look at possible defensive and Oline players we could look at. Also there were a lot of people who had yet to commit to this. So, please do not lump us into the REGIIE REGGIE REGGIE camp and i was not a member.

At present I am STILL in the undecide camp.

bigcarlos
01-08-2006, 04:57 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC everyone was all for Bush coming here.
Not everyone was

TexanSam
01-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Ok, I changed it.

Tulip
01-08-2006, 05:00 PM
I was never all for Reggie Bush coming here. I said it was great if we do, great if we don't. Whatever. I've been pretty ho-hum on the whole thing.

Yes, I will be upset. Because I actually love Vince Young and have watched his college career. I know him as a player better than I know anyone in the draft. So I'll be sad when we pass on him, and then I'll be sick when the Titans pick him.

I'll live with it. But I reserve the right to not let it go if Vince lights it up for the Titans against us. ;)

Wolf
01-08-2006, 05:02 PM
Not sure.. Bush is exciting no doubt.. and I have always thought DD and crew were solid yet not spectacular. I bush could definitely help us on the threat to take one the distance, yet inside the red zone , he won't help much.. I almost would like to see us get white or D'angelo Williams lower down the draft and get some OL help.


maybe I feel this way because we have so many holes to fill that my brain is spinning LOL


maybe what bugs me is we spent all these draft picks on Hollings/Wells/DD/Morency and we still are looking for a back.

kbourda
01-08-2006, 05:03 PM
I wouldn't be upset, very disapointed though. It's kinda like saying you want 10 million or 11 million (i'm not going there who I think is more than the other). In Bush, we would be getting a position where there is a glut of players there. And make the 5th (count them FIVE) times a RB would be chosen in a draft. Just seems to me we are kinda spinning our wheels.

Runner
01-08-2006, 05:04 PM
Bush or trade down is fine with me. I think slightly less of drafting Young. All three options are pretty good.

FILO_girl
01-08-2006, 05:06 PM
At present I am STILL in the undecide camp.

Me too. Not many of us here either. :)
I am leaning a certain way, but very open to all ideas. Undecided.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 05:06 PM
You bet. You don't pass up on special players. Reggie Bush is a smallish back who won't withstand the rigors of being an every down back. Vince Young is a freak. Take the freak and see what happens.

He will be a Texan and the franchise and NFL properties will be much better for it. It's good for the Texans and it's good for the NFL.

TexanSam
01-08-2006, 05:07 PM
I'll add my 2 cents.

I won't be upset if we draft Bush. Him and DD in the backfield would be great. I would be upset if we draft Young. I don't think we need him. I would opt to trade down, get Mario Williams or AJ Hawk or D'Brickashaw.

TexanSam
01-08-2006, 05:10 PM
Emmitt Smith is 5'10. I'm pretty sure he withstood the rigors of the NFL. Tiki Barber is 5'10. Last I checked, he had a pretty good year. Small backs can succeed in the NFL.

texanfan2002114
01-08-2006, 05:13 PM
Hell yes I will be upset!!! Take VY!!!!!!!!!

Wordem
01-08-2006, 05:13 PM
Those of you against drafting VY have no idea how truly special he is. Not just physically, but emotionally. He is, if nothing else, a TRUE leader. He makes every other player on the team better. In that respect he is like Michael Jordan. Not drafting him would be a mistake of epic proportions. He's that good and he brings that much to the table. If you think otherwise, you have not watched what he has done for Mack Brown and Texas. Without him, they are still and overrated underachieving program.

Vince will be a Texan. Bob McNair is not that stupid.

wenskek
01-08-2006, 05:18 PM
i will be freaking pissed if we pass on VY, David is not the future.

HoustonFrog
01-08-2006, 05:20 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?

I think Vince is a winner and we couldn't go wrong with either. I don't like Carr. However, I think the smart thing to do is draft Bush, take O-lineman and a TE with your high to middle round picks and fill in holes with free agency. With the new coach it is no excuses. If Carr blows then you move on the next year. I think that will happen but that is my opinion. But this would be the best route. As for Young the guys on Fox were just pimping Young. Bradshaw and Howie said they think he will be an outright stud and the main reason is because he is a WINNER and a leader. IMHO, something the Texans don't have. I think Bush is smart move, as stated, but Young has that potential and a disagree completely with people who think the Texans will be rebuilding again. Some QBs don't need 4 years and a bucket of excuses.

WaylonJennings67
01-08-2006, 05:22 PM
You bet. You don't pass up on special players. Reggie Bush is a smallish back who won't withstand the rigors of being an every down back. Vince Young is a freak. Take the freak and see what happens.

He will be a Texan and the franchise and NFL properties will be much better for it. It's good for the Texans and it's good for the NFL.





DITTOS :redtowel:

wenskek
01-08-2006, 05:29 PM
You bet. You don't pass up on special players. Reggie Bush is a smallish back who won't withstand the rigors of being an every down back. Vince Young is a freak. Take the freak and see what happens.

He will be a Texan and the franchise and NFL properties will be much better for it. It's good for the Texans and it's good for the NFL.


Amen, to that!

rmartin65
01-08-2006, 05:31 PM
I will be dissapointed, not because we are not getting Young but because we are not picking an OL.

LBC_Justin
01-08-2006, 05:34 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?Not at all.
I think the our first pick is the easy one. I think the KEY picks are the rest of our first day picks.

HoustonFrog
01-08-2006, 05:35 PM
Not at all.
I think the our first pick is the easy one. I think the KEY picks are the rest of our first day picks.

EXACTLY!!

WaylonJennings67
01-08-2006, 05:38 PM
"If we take Bush, will you be upset?"




YES!



Gotta go w/VY, healthy for the franchise any way you look at it.

The Dream
01-08-2006, 05:41 PM
Those of you against drafting VY have no idea how truly special he is. Not just physically, but emotionally. He is, if nothing else, a TRUE leader. He makes every other player on the team better. In that respect he is like Michael Jordan. Not drafting him would be a mistake of epic proportions. He's that good and he brings that much to the table. If you think otherwise, you have not watched what he has done for Mack Brown and Texas. Without him, they are still and overrated underachieving program.

Vince will be a Texan. Bob McNair is not that stupid.


PREACH homeboy.....PREACH.......VY is like nothing that anyone has seen before, I say take a shot with him, he can't be any worst than Carr.

orangecrush1984
01-08-2006, 05:45 PM
If the Texans go with Reggie Bush it wont be the correct choice. David Carr, has done all he can in Houston. We have given him the time to prove himself and he hasnt lived up to his hype... Vince Young is going to be huge. You hardly here a team going to a Superbowl just because they have a good running back, but you always hear when a team has a outstanding quarterback like Vince Young.

tiger06
01-08-2006, 05:47 PM
As long as we take Bush or Young with the first pick and make good picks after that, I'll be happy.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 05:50 PM
You hardly here a team going to a Superbowl just because they have a good running back, but you always hear when a team has a outstanding quarterback like Vince Young.


Has Michael Vick cut his hair yet?

daveebarb
01-08-2006, 05:51 PM
Bush Will Be The Guy.

orangecrush1984
01-08-2006, 05:52 PM
Has Michael Vick cut his hair yet?


Has David Carr?

tulexan
01-08-2006, 05:53 PM
Yeah last year

Hervoyel
01-08-2006, 05:55 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?


My position is unchanged. I think Reggie Bush in the first followed by the best lineman left in the second and a TE+LB in the third is the way to go.

chuckm
01-08-2006, 05:56 PM
My position is unchanged. I think Reggie Bush in the first followed by the best lineman left in the second and a TE+LB in the third is the way to go.


I could live with that .....

Wordem
01-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Don't insult Vince by comparing him to Vick. It's not even close. Unless you've watched every Texas game over the last three years like I have, you just can't grasp the intangibles that Vince Young brings to the table. There will not be another player like him for a generation. You can't risk not taking him. If it doesn't work out, McNair will be forgiven. If it doesn't work out with Bush and VY succeeds in Nashville, the damage between owner and city will be irreparable.

Hervoyel
01-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Vince will be a Texan. Bob McNair is not that stupid.

You misspelled "Reggie" there my friend.

LikeABoss
01-08-2006, 05:58 PM
Nope, I've been one of his biggest supporters on this board.

disaacks3
01-08-2006, 06:02 PM
I wouldn't be upset, very disapointed though. It's kinda like saying you want 10 million or 11 million (i'm not going there who I think is more than the other). In Bush, we would be getting a position where there is a glut of players there. And make the 5th (count them FIVE) times a RB would be chosen in a draft. Just seems to me we are kinda spinning our wheels. Well, the reverse argument is this: It'd be the first time we'd have drafted a 1st-Rd quality RB, rather than the gang of 4th rounders we've gotten so far. Maybe if we'd gotten better RBs, we wouldn't be spinng those wheels quite as fast.

By "Round Quality" we've gotten 1st-round quality at the following positions:

QB, WR, CB, OLB

Wouldn't it be nice to see that extended to the following:

RB, TE, OT

dtran04
01-08-2006, 06:03 PM
Either way is fine with me. The way I look at it, ANY player will help this team. With Kubiak, trading down seems like the logical choice. We'll see after workouts how everyone grades. Scouts will get a good look at how Vince throws after 3,5,7 step drops. It should be interesting to say the least. Personally, I think the Titans gain the most in this draft. They get either Bush or Young and don't have to make a decision. Picturing Reggie Bush rip up our run defense sends nightmares. Vice versa of course.

AWalls
01-08-2006, 06:03 PM
I don't know about ya'll, but Carr(QB), DD(RB), AJ(WR), Mathis(WR), and Bush in the slot sounds REAL good to me. We've been needing someone to take some pressure of the coverage on AJ and Bush will do just that.

If we draft bush, I think the new offense will be something special.

Just think about it......AJ running a deep post, Mathis streaking down the sideline and Bush Catching the Ball over the middle in space....Hmmmmm

A new O Line coach, a key free agent and a OL taken high in the draft should shore up our line problems.

Next year, concentrate on the D in the draft. :twocents:

edo783
01-08-2006, 06:04 PM
My position is unchanged. I think Reggie Bush in the first followed by the best lineman left in the second and a TE+LB in the third is the way to go.

Works for me. My preference is a trade down, but I DOUBT very much the club does it, and this is the best rout without the trade down.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 06:04 PM
Don't insult Vince by comparing him to Vick. It's not even close. Unless you've watched every Texas game over the last three years like I have, you just can't grasp the intangibles that Vince Young brings to the table. There will not be another player like him for a generation. You can't risk not taking him. If it doesn't work out, McNair will be forgiven. If it doesn't work out with Bush and VY succeeds in Nashville, the damage between owner and city will be irreparable.

There will be a long line of can't miss QB's. Vince is neither the first nor the last. Brady Quinn will be the next one, Brian Brohm will probably be after him, Ryan Perriloux will be after him, and eventually Jimmy Clausen will be after him.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:04 PM
If VY succeeds in Nashville and tears it up in Reliant when he makes his yearly visit, this franchise in the City of Houston is doomed.

chuckm
01-08-2006, 06:05 PM
If VY succeeds in Nashville and tears it up in Reliant when he makes his yearly visit, this franchise in the City of Houston is doomed.


define doomed

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:06 PM
There will be a long line of can't miss QB's. Vince is neither the first nor the last. Brady Quinn will be the next one, Brian Brohm will probably be after him, Ryan Perriloux will be after him, and eventually Jimmy Clausen will be after him.

None of them are as special a player as Young. Trust me on this. I've watched him for three years now. What he brings by way of leadership cannot be dismissed. He makes every single player on the team better just by taking the snaps. Reggie Bush does not.

edo783
01-08-2006, 06:06 PM
PREACH homeboy.....PREACH.......VY is like nothing that anyone has seen before, I say take a shot with him, he can't be any worst than Carr.

Just a heads up Dream. I have noticed that you spell it as worst when I believe you mean worse. Seen it a couple of times.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:06 PM
define doomed

Playing in another city because of lack of fan support. It can happen again, especially in Houston.

chuckm
01-08-2006, 06:07 PM
None of them are as special a player as Young. Trust me on this. I've watched him for three years now. What he brings by way of leadership cannot be dismissed. He makes every single player on the team better just by taking the snaps. Reggie Bush does not.

you've watched Bush for 3 years as well I assume....

WWJD
01-08-2006, 06:08 PM
Upset? No.

I think the team will regret not taking Vince one day though. If they don't that is.

I am wondering just how much the fact that the Texans have the number one pick had on Vince's decision. It may be that he felt that this was his one and only chance to play for the hometown.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 06:08 PM
None of them are as special a player as Young. Trust me on this. I've watched him for three years now. What he brings by way of leadership cannot be dismissed. He makes every single player on the team better just by taking the snaps. Reggie Bush does not.

How do you know? Have you followed Notre Dame and Louisville as much as you have followed UT? Have you even seen Ryan Perriloux play? And Jimmy Clausen isn't even in college yet.

So tell me how you know for a fact that Vince Young will be better than all of them?

disaacks3
01-08-2006, 06:09 PM
Don't insult Vince by comparing him to Vick. It's not even close. Unless you've watched every Texas game over the last three years like I have, you just can't grasp the intangibles that Vince Young brings to the table. How about not insulting Vick by comparing him against a guy who's never played a snap of NFL football. (The same goes for the comparison of Bush to Gale Sayers.) There will not be another player like him for a generation. You can't risk not taking him. If it doesn't work out, McNair will be forgiven. If it doesn't work out with Bush and VY succeeds in Nashville, the damage between owner and city will be irreparable. Gee, wasn't it just a week ago I was hearing the same things about Bush? :rolleyes:

While we've got Casserly calling the shots, I want him playing it safe in the 1st round...which means Bush.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:13 PM
So tell me how you know for a fact that Vince Young will be better than all of them?

Just look at what he did for Texas, a perennial underachieving, overrated college team that hadn't really gotten close in 35 years. Just watch the last two Rose Bowls. Just ask the players who have played with him. He wills a team to victory. He has what stop watches and scouting reports can't quantify. He is the best college football player in a generation. I'd risk it and wouldn't think twice. If he's a bust, so be it. Start over. If you screw up and let him kick your *** for a division rival that used to call your city home. That's just unacceptable. Especially for those of us who grew up with Luv ya Blue.

Tale Gator
01-08-2006, 06:14 PM
I would be disappointed.

Vince can do everything that Reggie does PLUS he can handle more than 15 touches a game.

200 pound - outside running scatback?

Pass.

Scooter
01-08-2006, 06:14 PM
i'll be disappointed if we draft either one of em.

DRAMA
01-08-2006, 06:17 PM
Does anyone believe that Vince will start day 1? What about Reggie?

It's tough but I remember what Portis did with that cutback zone -blocking in Denver. He hit the hole and then hit the house. If we want to win right away, I think Kubiak will pick a guy who becomes our #1 back and our #2 WR from Day 1.

But I like Vince too...I just don't want to wait 2 more years....

tulexan
01-08-2006, 06:18 PM
Just look at what he did for Texas, a perennial underachieving, overrated college team that hadn't really gotten close in 35 years. Just watch the last two Rose Bowls. Just ask the players who have played with him. He wills a team to victory. He has what stop watches and scouting reports can't quantify. He is the best college football player in a generation. I'd risk it and wouldn't think twice. If he's a bust, so be it. Start over. If you screw up and let him kick your *** for a division rival that used to call your city home. That's just unacceptable. Especially for those of us who grew up with Luv ya Blue.


Yes lets see what he did with Texas. Two years ago they should have been a BCS team but got screwed because Oklahoma was ranked #2 and Kansas State won the Big 12. Last year they went to a BCS game and won. This year they went to the National Championship game because Oklahoma was in a rebuilding season. He didn't turn the team around from being one of the worst in the NCAA to a National Championship team. He turned them from a perrenial BCS team to a National Championship team. Congratulations on your win, but Vince Young is not God.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:19 PM
But I like Vince too...I just don't want to wait 2 more years....

You'll still have to wait even with Bush. He's not getting this team anywhere in the next two years. He won't get them to the playoffs any more than DD. Take the special player. Take the difference maker. Do the right thing for the City of Houston and your fans. Take the hometown kid. You have absolutley nothing to lose in Vince Young. He's that good and he touches the ball every down.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:20 PM
Vince Young is not God.

No--but he's by far the best player on the board. By far.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 06:21 PM
Then how come Reggie is still ranked as the #1 player in the draft?

E-Dawg
01-08-2006, 06:22 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?

I'm afraid Casserly doesn't understand Houston well enough. Earl Campbell, Nolan Ryan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Roger Clemens, our homeboys have been embraced in a wonderful way, and made their respective teams a joy for the whole city.

The Texans have lost 1/2 of the city, bringing VY into the fold would get them back, they would even have apass for 3-4 more years to get good. As a quarterback you're either a winner and leader or you're not. David Carr is clearly not a winner. An offensive line does not a quarterback make. I've been a football fan my whole life. You can see a winner through his development, David Carr will never be a winner, and I can guarantee Casserly and Mcnair will lose between a quarter-half of the city until they are winners in the playoffs, which with Carr may never happen. Does anyone honestly believe Bush will make the difference. He will simply be a playmaker that may make us respectable, but he cannot lead us to Super Bowls. That comes from a Quarterback that won't be denied and a defense that says you ain't scoring on us. See almost every champion, (ie the Patriots, the Longhorns). If Casserly passes on Young the Texans will be destined to be a pathetic franchise forever and cursed forever. I hope he and Bob Mcnair truly understand how big of a mistake it will be to pass on Vince. Who is he most like Randall Cunningham, highest winning percentage as a quarterback in NFL history, Michael Vick, wins a lot more than he loses despite his inability to pass. I miss Luv Ya Blue. Houston can have that back. Bob please don't let Charlie screw this up!!! VY will be the franchise's savior, I don't care what we have to with Carr and what sacrifices we have to make short run to make that switch, build around him, you won't regret it, Kubiak can help his development. What do you think?

DRAMA
01-08-2006, 06:26 PM
Look, we all like Vince here but let's be serious for a moment. You can't be talking about him as a running QB, his best featuree, because NO QB runs in the NFL - period (Don't use Vick - he sucks!). So, you must be talking about his arm, leadership, etc...which i agree are all very good. But to call him a sure thing because he's a freak is not accurate. Freaks does not equal franchise.

However, Reggie Bush WILL be schemed for...as will Vince, I know. But if Kubiak can do with Carr what he did with Plummer (OMG!! Did I just say that??) then we'll be fine with Reggie and yes, he'll contribute instantly from day 1. Yes, he will make us MUCH better. Yes, he will fill 2 positions on our team. Yes, I think Vince Young will be fine.

Nobody in Houston whines because we didn't draft Jordan - only Portland does that. If we trade down, call us the Houston Bowies.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:26 PM
I'm afraid Casserly doesn't understand Houston well enough. Earl Campbell, Nolan Ryan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Roger Clemens, our homeboys have been embraced in a wonderful way, and made their respective teams a joy for the whole city.

This is why VY will be a Texan. McNair would be a fool not to take him. If not, there will be just as many Titans jerseys in Reliant when VY comes to town as there are Texans jerseys. He'll come to his financial senses and take Young. He's not that stupid.

Hervoyel
01-08-2006, 06:30 PM
No--but he's by far the best player on the board. By far.

You've got to be kidding me. Is that you Bus? Bus Cook what are you doing in here stirring the pot up for? How much are you going to make on ol' Vince anyway? Just asking.

Rocknroll
01-08-2006, 06:30 PM
This is a total no-brainer. With Vince Young the Texans get a leader.
A quarterback that can run. How many times has Carr had to scramble and then throw the ball away on 3rd down. With Vince we pick up the 1st down and move the chains!! Vince Young will put a lot more people in the stands then Reggie Bush. They may even have to add seats.

dtran04
01-08-2006, 06:32 PM
I really wish this board had the "classic moments" like on the Clutchfans BBS. All of these absolute statements made in the past couple of days would be great to look back at in a couple years. :)

AustinJB
01-08-2006, 06:35 PM
Before Vince Young's marvelous game against USC, a bunch of you were all for Bush coming here. If the Texans do pay Carr for the next 2 or 3 years (depending on which option they take) and don't draft Young and take Bush, will you be upset?

I will be pissed, and to be honest, I'll probably be holding a grudge until they prove to me that they made the right decision. I agree that not everyone is on the Bush bandwagon....I've been VERY skeptical of that option. BTW...I think a lot of people in Texas were for Bush coming here because he was the best "gamebreaker" in the draft. Most Texans that keep track of the Longhorns didn't expect VY to come out this year. It wasn't his spectacular game that made us want him...we've seen that in many different games. It WAS his spectacular performance that propelled him to entering the draft this year instead of next year. That changed everything. Now VY is the best "gamebreaker" in the draft.

Tale Gator
01-08-2006, 06:36 PM
I really wish this board had the "classic moments" like on the Clutchfans BBS. All of these absolute statements made in the past couple of days would be great to look back at in a couple years. :)

No doubt about that...

http://tinypic.com/jza7nb.gif

:cool:

swtbound07
01-08-2006, 06:36 PM
i wont be upset....i will be a little sad, especially if all of my predictions of him being a bust come to fruition...if reggie bottoms out i can here you now......

but, but, its not reggies fault, nobody could run behind this line. Im already hearing the excuses. I will be first in line for my crow if bush is half the superstar you think he is. i would rather have young or dbrick. just remember who predicted reggies falling if he does.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:36 PM
Vince Young will put a lot more people in the stands then Reggie Bush.

Exactly. Reggie Bush will not sell tickets nearly as much as VY, until VY comes as a Titan. Taking Vince not only makes football sense, it makes financial sense.

If McNair fails with Young, he will get a pass. If he fails with Bush and Young succeeds in Tennessee, he will never live it down in this city.

Tale Gator
01-08-2006, 06:38 PM
From a marketing standpoint VY = Yao Ming.

Well, less a billion people but you get the idea.

Porky
01-08-2006, 06:40 PM
It's hard to be upset when we take a talent like Bush, who I think will help this offense in many ways SOON, and I will be excited to have him....

Yet, Vince Young in the long term is imo by far the better choice. If you want to win soon, take Bush, if you want to be even better in the long run take Young.

It's a nice dilemma to have. Two dyanimic talents who can both help take us to the show. It's almost a tie to me....but to me the tie breaker is that the QB has his hands on the ball every single snap, and that he is likely to have a much longer career than Bush, and then you have the emotional aspect...the poor hometown gangbanger made good, a real rags to riches story. From a marketing perspective, this isn't even close.

Lastly, I think there is actually much less risk in taking Young from a marketing persepctive. If they draft Bush, and he busts while Young is leading our arch rival to the SB, Mcnair will NEVER live it down. If they draft Young, and he busts, the fanbase will be much more forgiving. I can almost see the engraving on the tombstone now -

Bob Mcnair 1941 - 200?
Loving father and husband
Failed to draft Vince Young
Did we mention - Failed to draft Vince Young

LoneStarState
01-08-2006, 06:42 PM
Congratulations on your win, but Vince Young is not God.
Thank you for that one! Draft Bush!

Keldar
01-08-2006, 06:45 PM
Of the two, Bush will be the more successful player in the NFL at their respective positions. Vince will only be allowed to do 25% of what he did in college. 100% of Bush > 25% of Vince.

Draft Bush.

PapaL
01-08-2006, 06:47 PM
Until Reggie declares, VY is the #1 pick. Wouldnt it be great to see what would happen if Bush goes back to USC for his Senior year?

Wordem
01-08-2006, 06:50 PM
Of the two, Bush will be the more successful player in the NFL at their respective positions. Vince will only be allowed to do 25% of what he did in college. 100% of Bush > 25% of Vince.

Draft Bush.

You are mistaken. You'll see. Vince Young will change the NFL. Just wait. Reggie Bush is nice, but not special.

AustinJB
01-08-2006, 06:54 PM
Of the two, Bush will be the more successful player in the NFL at their respective positions. Vince will only be allowed to do 25% of what he did in college. 100% of Bush > 25% of Vince.

Draft Bush.

WHAT? First of all, Bush didn't have Bush-like numbers against the only true defense he faced all season. In the NFL, all defenses are fast and atheletic (unless you're playing the Texans). It's not guaranteed that Bush will be as eye-popping in the NFL. He only carried the ball 12-15 times a game on average. That leaves unaswered questions about his durability...not to mention he's only 190 lbs.

AustinJB
01-08-2006, 06:58 PM
Until Reggie declares, VY is the #1 pick. Wouldnt it be great to see what would happen if Bush goes back to USC for his Senior year?

We can dream can' we. Well, Bush hasn't declared yet. Maybe he has a sour taste in his mouth from his last game. Or maybe he doesn't want to be part of a team that has no O-line and will expose him. I'm sure he was hoping that SF got the #1 pick anyway so he could stay in Cali...I bet they would have stuck with their "hometown hero". We should do the same and take VY.

Jack Bauer
01-08-2006, 07:00 PM
I can almost see the engraving on the tombstone now -

Bob Mcnair 1941 - 200?

I know this was written in jest, but you could have at least put two question marks instead of just one. I am sure Bob plans to be here past 2009.

Long live Bob!

Wordem
01-08-2006, 07:05 PM
If he was being proclaim as the next Gale Slayer then he must be special.

Gale Sayers didn't win squat.

J-Storm
01-08-2006, 07:06 PM
i'll be disappointed if we draft either one of em.

COuldn't have said it any better myself. I think we benefit getting a defensive player by trading down in the 1st round, then work on the O-Line and a TE! Just my opinion...

And ppl who think that VY is a mraketable move and a boost to our team, what if we get VY and we still lose. Was it still worth it if we lose games? Are ppl still going to flock to Reliant Stadium to see their hometown boy lead us to another losing season (not saying he will, it's just a hypothetical)...
The only way Bob McNair gets financial out of this franchise is to win, no matter who it is that helps turn it around, Reggie, Vince, Carr, DD or anyone else in the draft or FA...

gwallaia
01-08-2006, 07:06 PM
Is the possibility of the Saints taking Young instead of Lienart being considered here?

Or will all the Longhorn/Texan fans become Longhorn/Titan fans because of the 100% certainty that the Saints will take Lienart and Young will end up in Possum Holler? How many Longhorn/Texan fans will become Longhorn/Saints fans if Young ends up in the Big Easy?

If Young or Bush is a Texan next season, I will still be at the games cheering for my team. If we trade the pick, I will still be at the games.

abbest
01-08-2006, 07:08 PM
How do you know? Have you followed Notre Dame and Louisville as much as you have followed UT? Have you even seen Ryan Perriloux play? And Jimmy Clausen isn't even in college yet.

So tell me how you know for a fact that Vince Young will be better than all of them?Darn what did Vince Young do to You? Did you lose money on the Rose Bowl? None of those you mention will amount to the class of 2002(Carr,Harrington). Stop the hating!!!!

gwallaia
01-08-2006, 07:09 PM
LOL!

There's never any gray area in this discussion. One either hates Vince Young or hates Reggie Bush. There is no middle ground.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 07:11 PM
So because I do not believe that Vince Young will be the greatest QB of all time, I am hating?

MorKnolle
01-08-2006, 07:15 PM
I would be mildly upset if the Texans drafted Young or Leinart, but I know that won't happen so I'm not worried about it. I won't really be upset if we draft Bush, although I think the best option for our team will be to trade down.

stevo3883
01-08-2006, 07:16 PM
LOL!

There's never any gray area in this discussion. One either hates Vince Young or hates Reggie Bush. There is no middle ground.


i like both.


but i hate those trade downers!

abbest
01-08-2006, 07:21 PM
Look, we all like Vince here but let's be serious for a moment. You can't be talking about him as a running QB, his best featuree, because NO QB runs in the NFL - period (Don't use Vick - he sucks!). So, you must be talking about his arm, leadership, etc...which i agree are all very good. But to call him a sure thing because he's a freak is not accurate. Freaks does not equal franchise.

However, Reggie Bush WILL be schemed for...as will Vince, I know. But if Kubiak can do with Carr what he did with Plummer (OMG!! Did I just say that??) then we'll be fine with Reggie and yes, he'll contribute instantly from day 1. Yes, he will make us MUCH better. Yes, he will fill 2 positions on our team. Yes, I think Vince Young will be fine.

Nobody in Houston whines because we didn't draft Jordan - only Portland does that. If we trade down, call us the Houston Bowies.Are u saying Carr is as good as Plummer?

gwallaia
01-08-2006, 07:34 PM
i like both.


but i hate those trade downers!

Not to mention the Trade Downer crowd. They obviously hate both Young and Bush. How in the world can these people look themselves in the mirror when they are filled with so mush HATRED?

Tale Gator
01-08-2006, 07:45 PM
...theTrade Downer crowd.

Word on the street is the TDC wants to be hence forth be known as the Bartering Quaalude Throng.

ArlingtonTexan
01-08-2006, 07:46 PM
I would only hate the drafting of Bush decision if the Texans are doing it blindly. In other words, if they agree to a contract like a month or two before the draft like they did with Carr, they did not seriously pursue any other options like trade down, or really evaluating Vince young in detail.

HoustonFrog
01-08-2006, 07:54 PM
Yes lets see what he did with Texas. Two years ago they should have been a BCS team but got screwed because Oklahoma was ranked #2 and Kansas State won the Big 12. Last year they went to a BCS game and won. This year they went to the National Championship game because Oklahoma was in a rebuilding season. He didn't turn the team around from being one of the worst in the NCAA to a National Championship team. He turned them from a perrenial BCS team to a National Championship team. Congratulations on your win, but Vince Young is not God.

He has improved every year and if you don't think the ONLY reason they won a national championship game wasn't VY, then you are blind. The guy is a leader and WINNER. They wouldn't even be in a champioship game or near one without him. He stepped up his game, worked hard in the offseasons, LED and was a WINNER. Things the Texans don't have...leader or winners right now.

common_fan
01-08-2006, 08:07 PM
Well, I would personally go with Reggie. One, he can run. Two, he can catch. Three, he can return punts. And finally, he can PASS too!!:drool:

TexanSam
01-08-2006, 08:31 PM
Well, I would personally go with Reggie. One, he can run. Two, he can catch. Three, he can return punts. And finally, he can PASS too!!:drool:

I'm pretty sure Reggie Bush won't be our QB of the future. That title sticks with Carr. Although, I wouldn't mind Bush being the 2nd player to complete a pass to himself (Dave Ragone did it a couple of years ago when he started a game).

I say go with Bush or trade down. Nobody knows what Carr can do until he actually has more than 2 seconds to throw the ball. I don't want Vince Young. If half the stadium fills up with Titans jersey's with "Young" on the back if VY goes there, then that just shows me that half of the Texans fans are bandwagoners. I'm rooting for my team no matter who they choose. One player doesn't change my loyalties.

swtbound07
01-08-2006, 08:33 PM
if we spend our 1st pick on reggie bush, there is no way they are gonna risk him by returning punts....so get that out of your head.

common_fan
01-08-2006, 08:40 PM
if we spend our 1st pick on reggie bush, there is no way they are gonna risk him by returning punts....so get that out of your head.

I'm just pointing out the abilities that he has. I'm sure the new HC wouldn't want VY out there risking any injuries due to the Oline. But I wasn't trying to say the Texans were actually going to put him out there for punt returns.

Hervoyel
01-08-2006, 09:20 PM
Are u saying Carr is as good as Plummer?


I think he's saying that Carr might be but we'd never know because Carr spent the past four years trying to make an offense designed to please Chris Palmer, Dom Capers, and then Joe Pendry work.

It's a possibility. Considering what Kubiak did with Brian Greise and then looking at what he did once he got out away from the Denver offense I'd say it's even better than 50/50.

blockhead83
01-08-2006, 09:27 PM
After the Rose Bowl I can't help but be somewhat swayed by the hype and lean towards wanting Young. However, I still think Bush could become a great RB. I like them both, and although I'd like Young or Bush for the instant gratification, it might be more fruitful in the long run to trade down. Each plan merits attention, and I'll withhold criticising the new regime until I see the results. I think any of those options will improve this team. Barring bad luck, there is no wrong choice, IMO. One player or draft will not make or break this franchise. Football is a team sport, remember?

groutfulone
01-08-2006, 09:36 PM
... it might be more fruitful in the long run to trade down... One player or draft will not make or break this franchise. Football is a team sport, remember?

This post is the only reason I'm here: to give my opionion and maybe/hopefully have some impact on the front office, hell me and my family have been Houston pro football season ticket holders since 1977 and maybe they will read some of these lame threads.

Football is a team sport and Vince Young is one of the most phenomenal players to ever enter the NFL draft. He, as a single player, the quarterback, you know, the one who touches the ball every freaking play; dominated the supposedly "best college football team ever" to win the national championship. Who in there right mind didn't know that he would score on that last fourth down. Everyone watching knew he would run right and because he is such a good passer they were helpless. This is why this pick is so important, because it is rare to find a single player who can completely change a team and a franchise. Just like Jordan did.

jr0ck
01-08-2006, 10:12 PM
lets just get something straight...vince young "willing his team to win" = tucking and running. yeah, him and andre are gonna be REAL close, wide open offense i tell ya'..."it is what it is". never thought i'd say this but...bush in '06 (following the heroyvel draft model) :redtowel:

HoustonFan
01-08-2006, 10:26 PM
Nah. Would not be upset. If the picks end up puting us in the same situation as this nightmare season, then yeah I'd be upset.

Historyhorn
01-08-2006, 10:26 PM
I'm a long-time Longhorn season ticket holder and a huge Vince Young fan. He is truly the greatest college football player out there this year.

That said, I don't think he'd be the smart draft choice for the Texans. There is a talented QB on staff already, that really hasn't been given a chance to perform with some solid protection. There's no real guarantee that Vince turns into an all-pro QB either.

He has freakish physical skills, can throw the ball, and is one of the greatest leaders that's been seen in college football. I'm not sure that'll translate into a championship caliber QB in the NFL.

I also do not think the number one pick would be well spent on Reggie Bush. He is a 15 carry per game back. He cannot/does not carry the ball inside. He is a game changer on the edge, but he tends to disappear for several games througout the year. Quite simply, I don't think we can risk a number one on a back who has a propensity to disappear in games, cannot/does not run inside, and will need to be complemented by another back anyway. That's not a number one pick.

My take is that we would be best served to trade the pick. Draft Lendale White, and add OL and defensive help with the extra picks.

With three or four starters (at the right spots) out of this coming draft, this is a playoff team in two years.

Go Texans and Hook 'em

ArlingtonTexan
01-08-2006, 10:32 PM
Are u saying Carr is as good as Plummer?

I can remember no more than a year ago having knock down drag down "fights" on this board for saying that Carr=Plummer. Man, have times changed.

texplayer2
01-08-2006, 10:52 PM
He has improved every year and if you don't think the ONLY reason they won a national championship game wasn't VY, then you are blind. The guy is a leader and WINNER. They wouldn't even be in a champioship game or near one without him. He stepped up his game, worked hard in the offseasons, LED and was a WINNER. Things the Texans don't have...leader or winners right now.

Yes, he was the only one on the field. Lendale must have tripped on that fourth and two that gave Vince the ball back. Both Bush and Young had good teammates around them. I would rather have Bush, because of his immediate impact on our team. Young would have to learn and throw from his backside. Bush can take the ball on a handoff and not have to wait for things to develope or make the defense key on more than one place splitting out. Vince cannot be in two places at one time. " Vince throws the ball down the sideline and catches it himself. What a Reggie Bush type move.:) and the Texans lead by 20." If he goes else where and is successful it could be because that team would be in need of a quarterback. The Texans don't seem to be sold on the idea that our current one has had much of a chance to prove his worth. I was reading the Austin American Statesman during last years draft and they were going over all the UT players who were great in the NFL,and that the Cowboys had passed on. The Cowboys have been too several Superbowls and have lots of fans. I know, I have to listen to them at work all the time. The Texans need to be smart and pick that way, not sway to any public opinion. If they Win the fans will come. If they didn't pick Vince or Bush, and still won I would be happy. If you are fans of just that particular player, then go watch them play else where and someone else will buy your ticket. Be Happy it is a game, and the buisness is entertainment.