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ALIVE287
01-07-2006, 07:47 PM
Since the team has alledgley said according to ESPN.com that it will take Bush anyway instead of Houston born Vince Young, I say we all begin a petition, boycott, or some kind of Fire Casserly March (much like the Millen Man March of Detroit) on Reliant Park to let our voices heard.....This is not a UT thing, its a Houston thing. We're the HOUSTON TEXANS for crying out loud people! The franchise was on a 4 year plan. It hasn't worked from the start. From the Boselli decision to Capers to the Buchanan decision to Babin to Carr. Nobody has lived up to their part of the bargain. I say we keep Dunta, Dre, Norris, Mathis, DD, and Morency and start completely new. Casserly must go and someone needs to get McNair a clue cause this team has been a laughing stock. Vince is the next coming of Hakeem, Nolan, the Rocket, Earl, and other Houston greats. It's a sin pure and simple if we don't take one of our own after the greatest college performance ever and one of the most dominating college seasons ever (and yes, he deserved the Heisman, all the Reggie supporters WERE WRONG). Reggie can't run in between the tackles and he'll be exposed in the NFL. Let's take this team back before McNair sets us back another 4 years. Who's with? Vince Young or Bust. Cause if we don't take him then we really are the Houston Texans only in name.

Grid
01-07-2006, 07:48 PM
Shouldnt this be on the UT board :P

Im a Texans fan.. I root for the hometown TEAM..not the hometown player.

chuckm
01-07-2006, 07:50 PM
march on Reliant stadium with pitchforks and torches ....

tulexan
01-07-2006, 07:51 PM
Agreed, lets only draft and sign players from Houston. After all, if we don't, we would be lying to people about our name. I mean who are the Colts and the Jaguars fooling? They have a bunch of humans on their team, not Colts and Jaguars.

BradK10
01-07-2006, 07:51 PM
God someone shoot me please

texan279
01-07-2006, 07:52 PM
Since the team has alledgley said according to ESPN.com that it will take Bush anyway instead of Houston born Vince Young, I say we all begin a petition, boycott, or some kind of Fire Casserly March (much like the Millen Man March of Detroit) on Reliant Park to let our voices heard.....This is not a UT thing, its a Houston thing. We're the HOUSTON TEXANS for crying out loud people! The franchise was on a 4 year plan. It hasn't worked from the start. From the Boselli decision to Capers to the Buchanan decision to Babin to Carr. Nobody has lived up to their part of the bargain. I say we keep Dunta, Dre, Norris, Mathis, DD, and Morency and start completely new. Casserly must go and someone needs to get McNair a clue cause this team has been a laughing stock. Vince is the next coming of Hakeem, Nolan, the Rocket, Earl, and other Houston greats. It's a sin pure and simple if we don't take one of our own after the greatest college performance ever and one of the most dominating college seasons ever (and yes, he deserved the Heisman, all the Reggie supporters WERE WRONG). Reggie can't run in between the tackles and he'll be exposed in the NFL. Let's take this team back before McNair sets us back another 4 years. Who's with? Vince Young or Bust. Cause if we don't take him then we really are the Houston Texans only in name.

I am not even going to read this post, but if you really want to boycott have fun, see you on the bandwagon in the future. These posts are to the point of being funny, it's going to be a looooooooooooooong offseason...

LBC_Justin
01-07-2006, 07:53 PM
Since the team has alledgley said according to ESPN.com that it will take Bush anyway instead of Houston born Vince Young, I say we all begin a petition, boycott, or some kind of Fire Casserly March (much like the Millen Man March of Detroit) on Reliant Park to let our voices heard.....This is not a UT thing, its a Houston thing. We're the HOUSTON TEXANS for crying out loud people! The franchise was on a 4 year plan. It hasn't worked from the start. From the Boselli decision to Capers to the Buchanan decision to Babin to Carr. Nobody has lived up to their part of the bargain. I say we keep Dunta, Dre, Norris, Mathis, DD, and Morency and start completely new. Casserly must go and someone needs to get McNair a clue cause this team has been a laughing stock. Vince is the next coming of Hakeem, Nolan, the Rocket, Earl, and other Houston greats. It's a sin pure and simple if we don't take one of our own after the greatest college performance ever and one of the most dominating college seasons ever (and yes, he deserved the Heisman, all the Reggie supporters WERE WRONG). Reggie can't run in between the tackles and he'll be exposed in the NFL. Let's take this team back before McNair sets us back another 4 years. Who's with? Vince Young or Bust. Cause if we don't take him then we really are the Houston Texans only in name.
Hakeem isn't a hometown boy. He is from Africa.

Houston fell in love with him in College because he was a winner. Just like Houston will fall in love with who ever makes us winners.

On an emotional level I want Vince Young. But I am not sold it is the logical decision.

ALIVE287
01-07-2006, 07:57 PM
Besides drafting Dre and Dunta, name any good decisions this franchise has made. Casserly should not have a job.

Jack Bauer
01-07-2006, 07:58 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah...

Did someone actually say something ;)

Jerek, I like your avatar.

Grid
01-07-2006, 07:58 PM
Domanick Davis :)

Firing the coaching staff

Hiring Kubiak (I hope)

Jerome Mathis

there are others but i gotta take the trash out :)

Tulip
01-07-2006, 07:59 PM
I will be absolutely heartbroken if the Texans don't take Young, but I'm not going to boycott them.

I do have a threshold, though. I left the Oilers when they traded Moon - the last straw when I already wasn't happy with them. So I'm not loyal to the end.

But for now, if we draft Bush, I will be sad, but I'll still be back in my nosebleed section next year. But I'm really starting to wonder if Casserly has something against Longhorns.

chuckm
01-07-2006, 08:00 PM
Besides drafting Dre and Dunta, name any good decisions this franchise has made. Casserly should not have a job.

to name them would be to validate your post ..... that in itself would be a bad decision

Grid
01-07-2006, 08:01 PM
to name them would be to validate your post ..... that in itself would be a bad decision

oops..hehe

swtbound07
01-07-2006, 08:03 PM
Agreed, lets only draft and sign players from Houston. After all, if we don't, we would be lying to people about our name. I mean who are the Colts and the Jaguars fooling? They have a bunch of humans on their team, not Colts and Jaguars.


fantastic post

Texanfan4ever
01-07-2006, 08:05 PM
Hey Jerek, I'll sign YOUR petition. Are these people serious!!!! Give it a rest! There is light at the end of the tunnel with all the interviews, etc.etc.... and it feels good right now that it can be fixed. And to all the Carr haters, he will be here and doing great long after you all have gone on to some other team. You know what they say about the door........All fair weathers know where it is......

ALIVE287
01-07-2006, 08:06 PM
All of you have no answers. It's the blind leading the blind. The status quo is not working. We're gonna take Reggie. Still have no line. Carr will still suck. And it will be another 4 losing seasons. Thanks for coming out.

LCOOL
01-07-2006, 08:07 PM
oops..hehe
CC is a joke period, and I felt that way before all the talk about RB and Vy, CC is going to probably spend all this energy on RB, and forgot about the rest of the draft, CC should have fired along with Capers!

dtran04
01-07-2006, 08:11 PM
Thread backfire at its best.

Cheap_Sunglasses
01-07-2006, 08:12 PM
Agreed, lets only draft and sign players from Houston. After all, if we don't, we would be lying to people about our name. I mean who are the Colts and the Jaguars fooling? They have a bunch of humans on their team, not Colts and Jaguars.

I could make a comment about the Browns, but I'll take the high road.

Like most people in the area, after the Rose Bowl, I was convinced that VY could be this franchise's savior. I was ready to send Carr on a bus to Dallas, and pre-order a #10 jersey.

But, as the hysteria fades away, and I think about it more, Bush really does seem to be the most logical choice for the franchise at this point.

Have I been disappointed in Carr's performance so far? Absolutely, he gets a lot of verbal abuse at my place on Sundays. But, I would LOVE to see him become the great QB analysts always claim he can be.

While it will suck to see Vince in a Titans jersey, I think the team's chances at success are much better with a Carr-Johnson-Bush-Davis offense. Led by Kubuiak. :D

Kaiser Toro
01-07-2006, 08:19 PM
You knew the cottboys would come calling. No boycott coming from this Texan. You will see senseless drivel, long dialogue, emotional diatribes concocted with facts, myths, prejudices, wants, needs and outright stupidity. But we are united by a common bond and that is our desire to have a playoff team. I hope I am wrong in every which way in how I think we need to amend our current situation if we begin to win. And I am sure most feel the same way.

tulexan
01-07-2006, 08:22 PM
This is what I thought would happen.

After the Rose Bowl there was a lot of emotion. People were going nuts and they should've after a great game. But as time passes and emotions cool, reason starts to re-emerge and people are slowly coming back. There will no doubt be people like the writer of the original post in this thread who are completely blinded from reason, but the more rational fans will understand that the team is going to do what is in the best interest of the team, not the fans. Would it be fun for a lot of people to watch someone from Houston take the reigns of the team? Sure, but wouldn't it be more fun to have a winning team? People got over not picking Derrick Johnson and they will get over not picking Vince Young.

chuckm
01-07-2006, 08:23 PM
People got over not picking Derrick Johnson and they will get over not picking Vince Young.

Derrick who?

Marcus
01-07-2006, 08:24 PM
But I'm really starting to wonder if Casserly has something against Longhorns.

I know I'M going to root against the Longhorns forever if I have to read this BS for the 3 to 4 months. God! I was waiting for the season to be over. Be careful what you wish for, I guess.:brickwall

Hardcore Texan
01-07-2006, 08:28 PM
You knew the cottboys would come calling. No boycott coming from this Texan. You will see senseless drivel, long dialogue, emotional diatribes concocted with facts, myths, prejudices, wants, needs and outright stupidity. But we are united by a common bond and that is our desire to have a playoff team. I hope I am wrong in every which way in how I think we need to amend our current situation if we begin to win. And I am sure most feel the same way.


I agree, I will be Diehard to the end of my days, also we have to give the orginization time to turn this thing around. We are virtually still "brand new" in the larger picture of things.

What is up with all the instant gratification syndrome. Hard work will pay off, and it will be sweet when it does.

Honoring Earl 34
01-07-2006, 08:29 PM
:yahoo: I'm all for the boycott . Can I have your tickets or any other boycotters tickets just PM me .

BradK10
01-07-2006, 08:29 PM
actually i'm NOT over passing up DJ....because Travis Johnson sucked

ALIVE287
01-07-2006, 08:31 PM
You people are not understanding me. I want the team to get better but I don't see how this team is doing anything whatsoever to make itself better. We'll still have the same problems and the same knuckleheads making the same knucklehead decisions (i.e. mcnair and casserly). I saw potential in Carr but 4 years is enough. This team is gonna stay the same. It's time for change.

tulexan
01-07-2006, 08:33 PM
So if you tell a guy to build a house but you don't give him wood, nails, or tools, how is he supposed to do it?

If Carr was in the situation that Joey Harrington is in, where they have a good line and great weapons and still didn't perform, then you would have reason to complain. But Carr has neither, so how are we expecting him to put up pro bowl numbers?

ALIVE287
01-07-2006, 08:33 PM
This organization has always walked around like a bunch of wounded ducks. Be here to apologize to me in 4 years when we we're still drafting from the 1 spot.

ALIVE287
01-07-2006, 08:36 PM
If Carr is so great then we should get good trade value for him then. Get those Oline players we want or some draft picks. Come on people. Again, we're just gonna stick with the status quo and still have a sub 500 team.

Grid
01-07-2006, 08:37 PM
actually i'm NOT over passing up DJ....because Travis Johnson sucked


Derrick Johnson didnt exactly shake the foundations of the NFL either. At least TJ has an excuse... a bad defense with a bad coaching staff that just got fired.

Either way though.. I dont see why people are whining about not getting DJ.. if you want to whine about missed opportunities.. why didnt we trade down some more and get Luis Castillo and Odell Thurman?

swtbound07
01-07-2006, 08:41 PM
This is what I thought would happen.

After the Rose Bowl there was a lot of emotion. People were going nuts and they should've after a great game. But as time passes and emotions cool, reason starts to re-emerge and people are slowly coming back. There will no doubt be people like the writer of the original post in this thread who are completely blinded from reason, but the more rational fans will understand that the team is going to do what is in the best interest of the team, not the fans. Would it be fun for a lot of people to watch someone from Houston take the reigns of the team? Sure, but wouldn't it be more fun to have a winning team? People got over not picking Derrick Johnson and they will get over not picking Vince Young.


just to get the record firmly established for myself, the players i have advocated drafting in the past

carlos rogers
sean taylor

But the thing is, there is one major thing that seperates picking bush from picking young. When we pick young, we are admitting that david carr couldnt do it, and starting over. Picking reggie bush is tantamount to saying "you know, we are so solid at every position, we dont need to replace anybody...we just need an extra running back, that will help us a lot! reggie's 14 touches a game arent whats best for the franchise. Either we are starting over, which in that case means we start over, i.e. new leader of the franchise, or we draft lines to protect the talent we have. If, as the reggie bush fanclub has said, we can pick up quality o-lineman in the 2nd and later rounds, then we could presumably still do that and get vince young. We dont need spare talent. Even if you dont think he is a superstar, you have to admit dominack is a capable back. However, nobody on here is saying carr is a capable quarterback. I've heard that we dont know yet, he has been improperly coached, he hasnt had lines, which may or may not have validity. However, Nothing we do will be a quick fix. Everyone is acting like bush is a 5 star lock to be our pick. This isnt the first year of our franchise, where they had prenegotiated david carrs contract before the pick. Neither of the 2 hype players on the draft board have even DECLARED, so nobody on the texans has said ANYTHING about drafting either one of them. I know this because it would be against the rules. You can infer what you like from all the comments on the internet you like, but i dont recall a single poster on this board being on top of the dunta pick, nobody, and i mean NOBODY nailed the babin pick, and i dont recall anybody having travis johnson avatars before last draft. So the truth is, we as a message board are ALWAYS WRONG about whats going to happen. It may be bush, it may be young, it may be dbrick, it may be SOMEONE ELSE. Lets just stop spreading around conjecture as certainty, thats all im asking.

chuckm
01-07-2006, 08:43 PM
just to get the record firmly established for myself, the players i have advocated drafting in the past

carlos rogers
sean taylor



neither were available when our pick came up

swtbound07
01-07-2006, 08:44 PM
i know, i was just trying to establish that my wanting vince young isnt due to longhorn homerism, as i've never campaigned for a horn in the past.

Runner
01-07-2006, 08:46 PM
Why don't you just boycott this board?

RTP2110
01-07-2006, 08:51 PM
Shouldn't all this Vince Young hoopla wait until he at leasts decide to go pro?? It's not even a sure bet that he's coming out of college. I can understang the Bush hype, he has at least interviewed agents. Young on the other hand has only given two answers. First he said he was staying, then he was undecided. But, he hasn't done or said anything to suggest that he will join the draft.

I think even Young himself, is cought up in the excitement. But when he calms down he will decide to return to UT like he originally planned. IMO

swtbound07
01-07-2006, 08:52 PM
just to get the record firmly established for myself, the players i have advocated drafting in the past

carlos rogers
sean taylor

But the thing is, there is one major thing that seperates picking bush from picking young. When we pick young, we are admitting that david carr couldnt do it, and starting over. Picking reggie bush is tantamount to saying "you know, we are so solid at every position, we dont need to replace anybody...we just need an extra running back, that will help us a lot! reggie's 14 touches a game arent whats best for the franchise. Either we are starting over, which in that case means we start over, i.e. new leader of the franchise, or we draft lines to protect the talent we have. If, as the reggie bush fanclub has said, we can pick up quality o-lineman in the 2nd and later rounds, then we could presumably still do that and get vince young. We dont need spare talent. Even if you dont think he is a superstar, you have to admit dominack is a capable back. However, nobody on here is saying carr is a capable quarterback. I've heard that we dont know yet, he has been improperly coached, he hasnt had lines, which may or may not have validity. However, Nothing we do will be a quick fix. Everyone is acting like bush is a 5 star lock to be our pick. This isnt the first year of our franchise, where they had prenegotiated david carrs contract before the pick. Neither of the 2 hype players on the draft board have even DECLARED, so nobody on the texans has said ANYTHING about drafting either one of them. I know this because it would be against the rules. You can infer what you like from all the comments on the internet you like, but i dont recall a single poster on this board being on top of the dunta pick, nobody, and i mean NOBODY nailed the babin pick, and i dont recall anybody having travis johnson avatars before last draft. So the truth is, we as a message board are ALWAYS WRONG about whats going to happen. It may be bush, it may be young, it may be dbrick, it may be SOMEONE ELSE. Lets just stop spreading around conjecture as certainty, thats all im asking.


you took the words right out of my post

Texans_Chick
01-07-2006, 08:53 PM
This is what I thought would happen.

After the Rose Bowl there was a lot of emotion. People were going nuts and they should've after a great game. But as time passes and emotions cool, reason starts to re-emerge and people are slowly coming back. There will no doubt be people like the writer of the original post in this thread who are completely blinded from reason, but the more rational fans will understand that the team is going to do what is in the best interest of the team, not the fans.

There are those of us rational fans who believe that if he declares he is the best player in the draft. And thought that before the Rose Bowl. It is just that the Rose Bowl makes that position more viable.

The whole boycott stuff may be described by a word that does not exist in the English language, but means something like sillier than silly.

That being said, any franchise that completely ignores what the casual fan thinks, is going to be a franchise with people not showing up to games. I liked all the free great tickets I got last season, but I'd rather have people around me at games.

The boycott notion might be ridiculous but there are lots of people out there that really do not care that the NFL is back in Houston. It would be nice for the Texans to be relevant again for something other than a punchline. Reggie does that some, but VY does that in abundance.


Would it be fun for a lot of people to watch someone from Houston take the reigns of the team? Sure, but wouldn't it be more fun to have a winning team? People got over not picking Derrick Johnson and they will get over not picking Vince Young.

If VY was from any college in the nation, I would want him playing for my team.

Fun and winning are not mutually exclusive. Doing the Bush pick or trading down doesn't guarantee winning either.

The DJ analogy is nongood. Not in the same universe. Dude was on Leno. LENO! Shouldn't matter but it does matter.

Whatever happens, whatever the reaction, I'm gonna support the Texans in every way I can. I am just sick of feeling like I haven't taken a shower because by the end of the game nobody is sitting around me.

chuckm
01-07-2006, 08:57 PM
There are those of us rational fans who believe that if he declares he is the best player in the draft.


and those are the fans that I can completely understand .... you could be right after all it's such an in-exact science ..... it's the UT or die fans that give you a bad name ...

itsme
01-07-2006, 08:57 PM
im with you on the boycott. But its not for the same reasons as you. I love your state but hate the team, GAME THROWING CHEATIN TEXANS--NO HONOR FOR the TEXANS.

ps.GET AN HONORABLE FOOTBALL TEAM and RUN IT WITH SOME CLASS!!!!!!

RTP2110
01-07-2006, 08:58 PM
That being said, any franchise that completely ignores what the casual fan thinks, is going to be a franchise with people not showing up to games.



I have a strange feeling that if the Texans were to pass on Young, for whatever reason and go 13-3 next year, Reliant Stadium would be a packed house.

chuckm
01-07-2006, 08:59 PM
im with you on the boycott. But its not for the same reasons as you. I love your state but hate the team, GAME THROWING CHEATIN TEXANS--NO HONOR FOR the TEXANS.

ps.GET AN HONORABLE FOOTBALL TEAM and RUN IT WITH SOME CLASS!!!!!!


My Troll detector just went off ....

swtbound07
01-07-2006, 09:00 PM
im with you on the boycott. But its not for the same reasons as you. I love your state but hate the team, GAME THROWING CHEATIN TEXANS--NO HONOR FOR the TEXANS.

ps.GET AN HONORABLE FOOTBALL TEAM and RUN IT WITH SOME CLASS!!!!!!


you are proving yourself quite the gentleman, what with your unfounded accusations and all caps typing style.

tulexan
01-07-2006, 09:08 PM
Well I think that Reggie probably will get more than 14 touches a game. He may not get more than 14 carries a game at running back, but he will also get several plays at wide receiver, and possibly a few plays as a punt returner. The reason why many people want Bush is for that very reason. By picking Bush we are by no means saying that we are so stacked at every position that we can draft for depth at one of our stronger positions. But there is no other player in the draft who can immediately have the same effect on the offense and fill a few of the holes that we have.

I also believe that when people are saying that Carr doesn't have a line, hasn't been coached properly, and doesn't have many weapons, they are in fact saying that he is a capable quarterback.

The difference between Young and Bush is that most can agree that Young is still a ways away from being an NFL quarterback. It will take a few years before he is ready to have a significant impact on the field just like all rookie quarterbacks. He may be a great college talent, but the NFL is a different animal. Bush can start to have an impact on the field starting in the first week of the season.

Bush also will declare. He already took out a $6 million insurance policy at the beginning of the season and has been looking at agents for the past month or so. I believe he also has a senior member of Reebok as one of his advisors. We may not have heard Bob McNair or Charley Casserly go out and say "we are taking Reggie Bush" because they are not allowed to. What we have heard are statements which imply that we will take him. We have heard Charley Casserly say that our biggest need in the draft is an offensive playmaker. We have heard Charley Casserly say that we will not take a quarterback. We have heard Bob Glauber, an NFL insider, who talked personally to Charley Casserly after the Rose Bowl who said that we will not take a quarterback and that we will take a playmaking running back. We have heard Chris Mortensen, another NFL insider, who said that anonymous team sources have indicated that we will take Reggie Bush and not Vince Young even if Young declares. So it is not like a lot of us are just speculating without reason.

And the reason why no one had Dunta Robinson, Travis Johnson, or Jason Babin avatars or that no one called that we would pick them is due to the fact that in those drafts we were in the middle of the order and could not accurately predict who exactly would be picked with each selection above us. If we could, we probably would be very rich in Vegas. In this draft, we are at the top of the board. We have no one above us and have the pick of the litter. We know that barring some big trade, which is possible, we can narrow the pick down to one of two people Reggie Bush or Vince Young. We have heard that we are going to extend David Carr's contract, that Kubiak (the front runner for the HC job) likes David Carr a lot, and that we will not take Vince Young, then we can reasonably assume that we are going to pick Reggie Bush.

Now could all of this leaked information and overt implications be a ruse by the team? Of course, but knowing the way that Bob McNair runs a business and how important loyalty is to him, I don't believe it is.

tulexan
01-07-2006, 09:14 PM
The DJ analogy is nongood. Not in the same universe. Dude was on Leno. LENO! Shouldn't matter but it does matter.


Wasn't Reggie Bush on Leno and Letterman?

itsme
01-07-2006, 09:26 PM
SWTBOUND07

ouch, you sure got me on the cap typing style. Im a 49er so you can understand my pissed-offness. It all comes down to the Bush lottery. We were in the running for Bush cause we really sucked. Im not saying you guys didnt. What I am saying is we didnt purposely loose a game. The talk around here is thats the way it was and Ive seen some of the controversial plays. What do you guys think about the accusations? The Troll

travfrancis
01-07-2006, 09:39 PM
"Shouldn't all this Vince Young hoopla wait until he at leasts decide to go pro?? It's not even a sure bet that he's coming out of college. I can understang the Bush hype, he has at least interviewed agents. Young on the other hand has only given two answers. First he said he was staying, then he was undecided. But, he hasn't done or said anything to suggest that he will join the draft."

Vince will go pro if we will draft him so that doesn't matter

pv1999
01-07-2006, 09:40 PM
OK
This is officially insane. Boycott? Have you lost your mind? Do you not remember the d@mn moving trucks pulling away from the dome the last time we did that? You got San Antonio right up the street, HUNGRY for a franchise and you bring up this cr@p? So What, The personnel decisions have not gone too well, McNair will fix it. Give him time, this is new to him too.

CajunTexan
01-07-2006, 10:01 PM
This is what I thought would happen.

After the Rose Bowl there was a lot of emotion. People were going nuts and they should've after a great game. But as time passes and emotions cool, reason starts to re-emerge and people are slowly coming back. There will no doubt be people like the writer of the original post in this thread who are completely blinded from reason, but the more rational fans will understand that the team is going to do what is in the best interest of the team, not the fans. Would it be fun for a lot of people to watch someone from Houston take the reigns of the team? Sure, but wouldn't it be more fun to have a winning team? People got over not picking Derrick Johnson and they will get over not picking Vince Young.

Agreed...I really believe that once VY gets over the "high" of the national championship, he will actually decide to stay at Texas. (He has already stated that was his intention before the Rose Bowl)

Let's all keep our heads at least until Jan. 15th and see who will actually be in the draft before we get nuts!

Goldeagle
01-07-2006, 10:07 PM
Yeah I am not happy at all with what I am hearing from around the league according to the radio and ESPN and all that.

If REGGIE "GOD" BUSH cant do his thing against a good COLLEGE DEFENSE, how is he going to do against a BAD NFL DEFENSE (which is still a notch above a good College Defense)

I can see the stat line now

David Carr: 3-10 sacked 6 times, 2 dropped passes, 1 int, 1 td, hit 15 times

God Bush 16 carries 80 yards, 1 catch 20 yards

Dominick Davis 14 carries 75 yards, 1 catch 9 yards

Adnre Johnson 1 catch 8 yards, Td


YAY! No O line and we get the 2nd (SECOND) best running back on the USC Roster!!!

Man I hope you Reggie Bush worshipers are right, because I cant see myself caring about this team anymore. Sure, I am all mouth, and will, but not to the extent that I did. Keep ***** Casserly and draft a small RB who did not show up when needed. Go Texans, always 3 years away from winning because it will take 3 years for an O-lineman to develop so why draft them (Right Charlie)?

scourge
01-07-2006, 10:41 PM
All this talk is driving me nuts... While I believe that we should take Young, we probably won't.

I'm starting to say to hell with all the Bush and Young talk, lets trade down and get Ferguson, then trade back up just high enough to get LenDale White.

sprtsfanatic
01-07-2006, 10:45 PM
Agreed, lets only draft and sign players from Houston. After all, if we don't, we would be lying to people about our name. I mean who are the Colts and the Jaguars fooling? They have a bunch of humans on their team, not Colts and Jaguars.


Has to be by far the post of the year!!! That was awesome Tulexan!!:redtowel:

FILO_girl
01-07-2006, 10:45 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah...

Did someone actually say something ;)

Jerek, I like your avatar.

I agree...with the avatar. aj has a good one too.
This thread is made for Exedrin. :hairpull:

houstonhurricane
01-07-2006, 10:51 PM
This topic is absolutely pathetic. Seriously, congrats to UT and their fans for a fantastic win this year. It was an unbelievable season and VY has been great. However, the Texans aren't drafting him...so move on. This organization is a business and is going to make decisions that they feel will best help move it in the right direction. Drafting a rookie quarterback is not going to get them where they feel they need to head.

If you are serious about drafting a quarterback, then I would imagine you would be debating the merits of VY and Leinhart. Instead, you want to boycott because a UT player is not going to be picked up. Listen, as a Hurricane, I am thrilled that AJ is on the team, but also am very disappointed in PBuch's play. However, I would be extremely upset at management if the Texans drafted a Hurricane who did not fit their needs.

tulexan
01-07-2006, 10:53 PM
You make a good point. If all of these people think that Carr is bad and needs to be replaced, then why aren't we also talking about Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, or Omar Jacobs?

Mr. White
01-07-2006, 10:58 PM
Let's talk about them, then. People can boycott this team for whatever reason they want. Why NOT sound off on why if someone doesn't agree with the direction the team is taking?

Hookem Horns
01-07-2006, 11:00 PM
Some of you people are clueless. The fact that VY is from Houston is only good for PR and to sell tickets. The fact that he dominates at every level he plays and refuses to lose is WHY HE SHOULD BE A TEXAN. VY could end up being the Earl Campbell of the Texans. Earl put the Oilers on the map and made many of us Oilers fans (self included). If the Texans pass him up and he goes to the Titans it is going to be disasterous for this organization, the fan base (especially us x-Oiler fans), and the city. I get sick just thinking about it. I have been screwed by Houston football too many times to stomach this if it happens. BTW, the fact that they held on to Casserly is already a disaster and has me peeved.

No I won't go root for the Titans (as one or two have suggested they would do), I hated them the minute they walked out on us. However, my faith in this organization or enthusiasm is going to be on real shakey ground if this scenario plays out. The fact that I hate the Titans so much makes this worse. Sometimes I wonder if I just stopped caring about Houston football I wouldn't give a rats *** about the Titans.

This team has only been around 4 years and none of us grew up rooting for them or dieing with them like we did the Oilers. Many of us jumped on the Texans because we were Oilers fans or grew up in Houston, however the Texans are still earning their fan base. I can't honestly say I would stop caring about the Texans however they still don't have many fans blind loyalty like the Oilers did because they are so new.

Hervoyel
01-07-2006, 11:00 PM
Since the team has alledgley said according to ESPN.com that it will take Bush anyway instead of Houston born Vince Young, I say we all begin a petition, boycott, or some kind of Fire Casserly March (much like the Millen Man March of Detroit) on Reliant Park to let our voices heard.....This is not a UT thing, its a Houston thing. We're the HOUSTON TEXANS for crying out loud people! The franchise was on a 4 year plan. It hasn't worked from the start. From the Boselli decision to Capers to the Buchanan decision to Babin to Carr. Nobody has lived up to their part of the bargain. I say we keep Dunta, Dre, Norris, Mathis, DD, and Morency and start completely new. Casserly must go and someone needs to get McNair a clue cause this team has been a laughing stock. Vince is the next coming of Hakeem, Nolan, the Rocket, Earl, and other Houston greats. It's a sin pure and simple if we don't take one of our own after the greatest college performance ever and one of the most dominating college seasons ever (and yes, he deserved the Heisman, all the Reggie supporters WERE WRONG). Reggie can't run in between the tackles and he'll be exposed in the NFL. Let's take this team back before McNair sets us back another 4 years. Who's with? Vince Young or Bust. Cause if we don't take him then we really are the Houston Texans only in name.

I'm starting to see why my Aggie friends think UT fans are whining crybabies. If they don't select your national championship winning QB you'll take your dollars and go home?

Go.
Please, by all means. The mans owned the team for four years and you already want the fans to "take it back"?

This is the most retarded post I've ever seen on this board and it replaces one that's only been the king of retarded posts for less than a week. Any more of this and I'm going to have to start hating UT and it's fans. You people are insufferable.

Goldeagle
01-07-2006, 11:00 PM
I would think because VY brings exitement (the same reason I hear to draft Bush) and he has a better chance of surviving the onslaught that will be coming with no O-line.

I would like to see Carr stay and get a line, but Bush has shown me nothing.

swtbound07
01-07-2006, 11:01 PM
SWTBOUND07

ouch, you sure got me on the cap typing style. Im a 49er so you can understand my pissed-offness. It all comes down to the Bush lottery. We were in the running for Bush cause we really sucked. Im not saying you guys didnt. What I am saying is we didnt purposely loose a game. The talk around here is thats the way it was and Ive seen some of the controversial plays. What do you guys think about the accusations? The Troll


it kills me to be saying this, believe me it really does, but i'll go ahead and respond to the trolling.

1) If you lose to us, san francisco wouldnt have been the ones that got bush.
2) You obviously didnt watch the texans play all 16 games like i did. We didnt purposely lose any games either. We were legitimately THAT BAD. Controversial plays is just the way our offense rolls. If we wanted to throw games, we wouldnt have put up a huge lead on the rams. We wouldnt have taken you guys to overtime. We wanted to win. We won against the browns when we could have easily shanked it. Teams dont throw games. The nfl is an organization of integrity. Your mad cause you wont get reggie. Im mad because we probably will. reasonable men can differ

houstonhurricane
01-07-2006, 11:06 PM
Hookem,

Calling me clueless because I think picking up VY as the number one pick seems a little harsh - especially since most NFL scouts would agree with my position based on the Texans' current needs. I know this must be hard for you to grasp, but the Texans cannot "afford" to draft him number one. They cannot just drop Carr, they cannot afford the cap hit of trading him, they cannot and should not try to keep two extremely highly paid qb's on their roster - so what is your amazing plan?

Once again, congrats to UT, but please don't let your college allegiance blind you when it comes to the cold hard realities of the pro game.

Mr. White
01-07-2006, 11:07 PM
Some of you people are clueless. The fact that VY is from Houston is only good for PR and to sell tickets. The fact that he dominates at every level he plays and refuses to lose is WHY HE SHOULD BE A TEXAN. VY could end up being the Earl Campbell of the Texans. Earl put the Oilers on the map and made many of us Oilers fans (self included). If the Texans pass him up and he goes to the Titans it is going to be disasterous for this organization, the fan base (especially us x-Oiler fans), and the city. I get sick just thinking about it. I have been screwed by Houston football too many times to stomach this if it happens. BTW, the fact that they held on to Casserly is already a disaster and has me peeved.

No I won't go root for the Titans (as one or two have suggested they would do), I hated them the minute they walked out on us. However, my faith in this organization or enthusiasm is going to be on real shakey ground if this scenario plays out. The fact that I hate the Titans so much makes this worse. Sometimes I wonder if I just stopped caring about Houston football I wouldn't give a rats *** about the Titans.

This team has only been around 4 years and none of us grew up rooting for them or dieing with them like we did the Oilers. Many of us jumped on the Texans because we were Oilers fans or grew up in Houston, however the Texans are still earning their fan base. I can't honestly say I would stop caring about the Texans however they still don't have many fans blind loyalty like the Oilers did because they are so new.


I agree wholeheartedly. It's about the big picture. The Texans have a chance now to steal some of the Cowboys thunder as the most popular team in Texas by drafting VY and they'll blow it because Bob and Charley think drafting him would be an admission of past failure.

tulexan
01-07-2006, 11:14 PM
I think McNair's goals are to be a playoff team and contend for the Super Bowl, not to be the most popular team in Texas.

Grid
01-07-2006, 11:17 PM
I think McNair's goals are to be a playoff team and contend for the Super Bowl, not to be the most popular team in Texas.

being a playoff team and contending for the superbowl will do alot towards making us the most popular team in Texas.

LoneStarState
01-07-2006, 11:31 PM
I wonder if all of these "Texans" fans will drop the team and root for the Titans if Houston doesn't draft VY and Tennessee does?

edo783
01-07-2006, 11:31 PM
being a playoff team and contending for the superbowl will do alot towards making us the most popular team in Texas.

That is ALL there is and I don't care if the whole team is blind, has only one leg and comes from Croatia. It doesn't matter where they come from, just that they are a team and playing competent NFL level football.

Hookem Horns
01-07-2006, 11:33 PM
Hookem,

Calling me clueless because I think picking up VY as the number one pick seems a little harsh - especially since most NFL scouts would agree with my position based on the Texans' current needs. I know this must be hard for you to grasp, but the Texans cannot "afford" to draft him number one. They cannot just drop Carr, they cannot afford the cap hit of trading him, they cannot and should not try to keep two extremely highly paid qb's on their roster - so what is your amazing plan?

Once again, congrats to UT, but please don't let your college allegiance blind you when it comes to the cold hard realities of the pro game.

Not sure if I were calling you out personally Hurricane, I honestly didn't look at the names of certain ones who posted that "we want Young ONLY because he is from Houston or plays for UT". It's because he has dominated at every level, is a winner, and a leader. That's the reason I personally want him. The fact that he is a hometown product and went to UT is only icing on the cake for this team to pick up more fans and win over the city and much of the state.

As a matter of fact I had 3 people here in Austin (one was a Cowboys fan and the other 2 didn't care about the Texans in the past) ask me yesterday what they needed to do to get Texans season tickets. All 3 said they wanted to look into it if VY was drafted by the Texans. This is opportunity is huge for the Texans.

tulexan
01-07-2006, 11:42 PM
Not sure if I were calling you out personally Hurricane, I honestly didn't look at the names of certain ones who posted that "we want Young ONLY because he is from Houston or plays for UT". It's because he has dominated at every level, is a winner, and a leader.



The dominated at every level is kind of a dumb argument because all top recruits dominate in High School. If they didn't dominate, then they wouldn't have been top recruits to the best schools. I'm sure that Matt Leinart was an unbelievable high school player too. He has a better winning record than Vince Young and has two national championships in addition to a Heisman trophy.

Where are the "We have to draft Matt" posts? Could it be that because he is not from Houston or from University of Texas that he isn't as good? He is more ready than Vince Young to play in the NFL because of his experience in a pro style offense and his accuracy.

Hookem Horns
01-07-2006, 11:45 PM
I wonder if all of these "Texans" fans will drop the team and root for the Titans if Houston doesn't draft VY and Tennessee does?

You know there be a LOT of those. Also, I am worried about those types here in Austin that just asked me yesterday about how to get Texans season tickets if VY went to Houston. Those types will turn into Titans fans.

IF I ever driven to drop the Texans there would be no way in Hades I would root for that **** organization. They are the reason I am half nuts as it is. I would probably go be a Giants fan (used to live in NY and root for NY in the only other sport I care for which is hockey). Their fans hate the Cowboys about as much as I do. Besides the Texans I pretty much hate the AFC due to growing up an Oilers fan.

That being said, I have never "dropped" a team before. Bud tempted me when he fired Bum, however I grew up rooting for certain teams and stuck with them through thick and thin. The Oilers "dropped" us and I will never forgive them for that. Since I didn't grow up rooting for the Texans I cannot honestly say how I would feel if they did something to royally peeve me off like Bud did when he fired Bum.

LoneStarState
01-07-2006, 11:47 PM
I asked one of my UT friends if they would be as rabid about the Texans drafting VY if he didn't play for UT... she said NO... :brickwall

Grid
01-07-2006, 11:48 PM
I asked one of my UT friends if they would be as rabid about the Texans drafting VY if he didn't play for UT... she said NO... :brickwall

Heck I could have told ya that :).. we werent even interested in a QB before the Rose Bowl. Otherwise we would have been having a lot of debates over whether or not we should draft Lienart.

LoneStarState
01-07-2006, 11:49 PM
I am worried about those types here in Austin that just asked me yesterday about how to get Texans season tickets if VY went to Houston. Those types will turn into Titans fans.

My point exactly... sorry - I've been with the Texans since NFL2002... these driveby fans are really getting on my nerves...

Mr. White
01-07-2006, 11:55 PM
wow...dumb is catching. Seriously....you may wanna zip to www.nfl.com for a second. There are 32 teams in the NFL...not 2. The object is to win the SUPERBOWL not "public support in every city in Texas".

It's posts like yours that makes me think "wow....smart like dumptruck".

Yeah... last I checked there were 31 NFL teams better than ours. They also get more respect. Ask the front office if they wouldn't mind "public support in every city in Texas". It's a business. They would make more money if they had that support and they still might even win a Super Bowl (not "SUPERBOWL.")

Next time you want to call somebody dumb, hit spellcheck first. There's a button at the top right corner that might help you.

Hookem Horns
01-07-2006, 11:56 PM
My point exactly... sorry - I've been with the Texans since NFL2002... these driveby fans are really getting on my nerves...

I have too, actually before NFL2002. I was posting on some other board (think it was an L.A. news board) debating on why Houston should have a team over L.A. However, we are in the minority, the ones that just went into limbo when the Oilers left and didn't follow them to Tennessee. Whether we like it or not, the Texans are now building their fan base since they are new on the block. If they draft someone that helps bring in more fans in this state and it also makes the most football sense than it is a no brainer. You don't pass on a guy like Young (and yes I would take him over Ryan Leaf ...errr I mean Matt Leinart). I would keep Carr over Leinart.

tulexan
01-07-2006, 11:57 PM
So McNair should cave in to the drive by fans to make them happy? Putting a winning team on the field brings more fans than a single player from UT could ever bring to the stadium.

LoneStarState
01-08-2006, 12:01 AM
So McNair should cave in to the drive by fans to make them happy?

HELL NO!!!

Putting a winning team on the field brings more fans than a single player from UT could ever bring to the stadium.

Well said!

Hookem Horns
01-08-2006, 12:05 AM
So McNair should cave in to the drive by fans to make them happy? Putting a winning team on the field brings more fans than a single player from UT could ever bring to the stadium.

No, but if that player that the fans want also happens to be the best player in the draft and give this team some much needed leadership than YES he should draft him. My gut feeling is Young would bring winning to this team more than Bush/Carr will. Carr lost me last season with his defeatest attitude and the "this is not a must win but must play well" quotes. A true leader would never say that. So regardless of who they draft, this team is still going to need a franchise QB.

It's all about winning, you really think I would want VY here if I didn't think he could win at the NFL level or be the best option for the Texans?? You didn't hear me screaming for Simms when he came out.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 12:06 AM
Look at the Patriots. They fill the stadium every single game. Is Tom Brady a local Boston guy? No, he is actually pretty much from as far from Boston as you can get (San Mateo, CA). But they have a winning team every year and are always in the playoffs. How about the Eagles? Is McNabb from the Philly area? No, he is from Chicago. Is their stadium empty? No. Why not? Because they have a winning team. The Colts? Is Peyton Manning from Indiana? Nope, New Orleans. But they have a winning team so people watch the games.

Hervoyel
01-08-2006, 12:09 AM
No, but if that player that the fans want also happens to be the best player in the draft and give this team some much needed leadership than YES he should draft him. My gut feeling is Young would bring winning to this team more than Bush/Carr will. Carr lost me last season with his defeatest attitude and the "this is not a must win but must play well" quotes. A true leader would never say that. So regardless of who they draft, this team is still going to need a franchise QB.

It's all about winning, you really think I would want VY here if I didn't think he could win at the NFL level or be the best option for the Texans?? You didn't hear me screaming for Simms when he came out.


Let's not get silly. Vince Young was the best player in the Rose Bowl last week, he's not the best player in the 2006 draft. He may not even be in the top 10.

He's just the one with the most hype right now and as far as this board goes he's the one who happens to be wearing the burnt orange.

LoneStarState
01-08-2006, 12:11 AM
No, but if that player that the fans want also happens to be the best player in the draft and give this team some much needed leadership than YES he should draft him.

This is possible - but very debatable. There's a reason teams aren't run by public opinion. It changed here in a matter of one bowl game.

My gut feeling is Young would bring winning to this team more than Bush/Carr will.

Possibly - but will UT fans support the Texans if they are 2-14 in VY's first, second, third year? Or will they be there if it takes 3+ years for him to develop? Horn fans will have to support the team then because everyone else may have jumped ship by then.

:twocents:

Grid
01-08-2006, 12:11 AM
Especially if Reggie Bush is whooping our butts Barry Sander's style twice a season in Tennessee :P

Mr. White
01-08-2006, 12:12 AM
It's not about where the player came from. It's about winning big games. If he's a hometown hero...even better. Before the Rose Bowl, nobody thought he was coming out. It just happens to be the opinion of the "drive-by fans" that we'd be stupid to pass on him now that he probably will come out.

Don't agree? Seems to be a circular argument to me. The truth of the matter is that this is a great problem to have and people want to weigh in.

LoneStarState
01-08-2006, 12:15 AM
It's not about where the player came from. It's about winning big games. If he's a hometown hero...even better. Before the Rose Bowl, nobody thought he was coming out. It just happens to be the opinion of the "drive-by fans" that we'd be stupid to pass on him.

THANK YOU!!! I am hoping that common sense will prevail on this board in the next couple of days. But, for some reason, I think I will be very disappointed...

eriadoc
01-08-2006, 01:43 AM
I am going to start a petition for fans like you being banned from this message board.

Even if I did think Vince was the one-man resurrection (I don't), I would never waste my time on something so patently stupid as a boycott of the team.

May I sign, pleeeeaaaase?

swtbound07
01-08-2006, 01:55 AM
agreed......if you dont remember how depressing, tear inducing it was to lose OUR FRANCHISE, and you would toss away the gift that is the texans so easily.......be banned. Sign me up kinfolk, lets keep our sanity

Sco-tai
01-08-2006, 04:40 AM
Yeah... last I checked there were 31 NFL teams better than ours. They also get more respect. Ask the front office if they wouldn't mind "public support in every city in Texas". It's a business. They would make more money if they had that support and they still might even win a Super Bowl (not "SUPERBOWL.")

Next time you want to call somebody dumb, hit spellcheck first. There's a button at the top right corner that might help you.

Stick to the subject genius. The object of the draft is to improve the team to achieve an improved win-loss record, thus boosting ticket sales, merchandise sales, profits for Mr. McNair and fellow investors...AND LEAGUE WIDE FAN SUPPORT. Not HOUSTON vs. Dallas.

And you're REALLY gonna pull the spell check card when the recognized spelling of spell check has a space between spell and check. Shoo fly.

I bet you would have drafted Ryan Leaf. hahahah:redtowel:

abbest
01-08-2006, 07:40 AM
I have a strange feeling that if the Texans were to pass on Young, for whatever reason and go 13-3 next year, Reliant Stadium would be a packed house.Let me pinch you so you can wake up. nice dreams

abbest
01-08-2006, 07:44 AM
You make a good point. If all of these people think that Carr is bad and needs to be replaced, then why aren't we also talking about Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, or Omar Jacobs?Simple they are not Vince Young

abbest
01-08-2006, 08:11 AM
Look at the Patriots. They fill the stadium every single game. Is Tom Brady a local Boston guy? No, he is actually pretty much from as far from Boston as you can get (San Mateo, CA). But they have a winning team every year and are always in the playoffs. How about the Eagles? Is McNabb from the Philly area? No, he is from Chicago. Is their stadium empty? No. Why not? Because they have a winning team. The Colts? Is Peyton Manning from Indiana? Nope, New Orleans. But they have a winning team so people watch the games.What`s your point our Carr is a lemon.It would not matter if VY was from Mars. IMO VY is/will better than Carr

touttail
01-08-2006, 08:18 AM
:rofl: Some of the things people come up with to post on this message board. Hilarious!!!!!

Bobby 119C:brickwall

Wharton
01-08-2006, 10:44 AM
Shouldnt this be on the UT board :P

Cut it out! I am an AGGIE and this is exactly were this post should be. Not all
VY supporters are Tsips.

tulexan
01-08-2006, 10:51 AM
Simple they are not Vince Young

But they are all QB's, and if Carr is terrible, then we should be searching for the best QB to replace him, right?

Mr. White
01-08-2006, 11:40 AM
Stick to the subject genius. The object of the draft is to improve the team to achieve an improved win-loss record, thus boosting ticket sales, merchandise sales, profits for Mr. McNair and fellow investors...AND LEAGUE WIDE FAN SUPPORT. Not HOUSTON vs. Dallas.

And you're REALLY gonna pull the spell check card when the recognized spelling of spell check has a space between spell and check. Shoo fly.

I bet you would have drafted Ryan Leaf. hahahah:redtowel:

Really, I'm not too sure where you have been in your life, but I've been in a lot of places that resent the State of Texas and would NEVER root for a team called the Texans. So it would make sense that we would first want fans that are actually TEXANS. IMO, that should be their first priority.

Just because you don't agree with somebody's opinion doesn't mean that they are dumb person nor does it give you a right to call them dumb. As a matter of fact, that kind of BS is prohibited on these boards.

What's really dumb....an opinion you don't agree with or you calling somebody that because you can't get a point across w/o name calling?

BTW, spellcheck is in dictionary.com. Here's the link:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=spellcheck
Again, if you want to question somebody else's intelligence, don't put your own up for scrutiny.