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Cheroqui
01-07-2006, 12:40 PM
For those that are hoping for Reggie Bush; including myself, if something crazy were to happen with Shaun Alexander, would you like for us to go after him? I mean I want Reggie too, but a lot of people are saying we don't need an RB yet and he can't run without holes, I say he finds them. I would rather not pass him up because his HS tape and running remind me of LaDainian Tomlinsons HS tape and NFL running. Honestly, would you want to pass that up because we don't need it now? Think about how loooooong it will take before someone like him comes around again, especially at "the right time" after we get all that we claim we need? You may not get a Reggie or Cadillac at "the right time" for SOME TIME. Also some say we have Dominick. Ok but how many teams have a good 1,2 punch with 2 solid RB's?
Now I know just having a RB won't allow for them to do it by themselves looking at the old Ricky Williams situation etc., but at least they're available when it's time. Take Giants and Colts for example. Tiki's around but they had to sort through QB's, Peyton is there but the D and other things had to gel. Point is those strong weapons are around and then you sift through. You don't sift then look for the strong because it may not go the way you need it to.
So if we don't get that and something funny were to happen with Shaun Alexander, would you want him or do you all just feel like we don't need a RB period?

HardKnockTexan
01-07-2006, 01:29 PM
I'm sure most Texan fans would want Alexander but it's not realistic. He is going to ask for huge money comming off an MVP season and that is just not finacially sound thinking. Bringing him here would cripple us financially for years to come.

Corrosion
01-07-2006, 01:51 PM
I would rather not pass him up because his HS tape and running remind me of LaDainian Tomlinsons HS tape and NFL running.


Are you comparing R.Bush's running to L.T's ? ...the similarities Start and END with their elisiveness .... Other than that Bush does NOT compare to LT .

Bush is fantastic IN SPACE .... but he does NOT take on defenders and get those extra yards . If you watched any USC football games this year OTHER THAN against UT you will see that all those huge runs were a product of HUGE HOLES up front ... Once he gets in the secondary he has the capability to take it to the house . Bush is the type of player that MUST get to the edge to be effective be it on sweep type runs or swing / screen passes .

Lots of people compare Bush to Marshal Faulk ..... I see the comparison only when running outside or via a pass designed to get Bush outside .... Faulk could run over people just as well as around them .

I think Bush translates better to the NFL as a WR than as a RB . Call me crazy but I just dont see him running between the tackles in the NFL anymore than he did at USC .

LT .... he can run over you or around you or thru you .... No Comparison . :twocents:

Cheroqui
01-08-2006, 07:13 PM
Are you comparing R.Bush's running to L.T's ? ...the similarities Start and END with their elisiveness .... Other than that Bush does NOT compare to LT .

No. I'm just saying (regular game and a view of highlights from HS tapes) that they appear to have similar speed, be able to catch a few passes and have great agility. For some that think we shouldn't keep him would you not feel like you may be letting something go that may not come around again for a while or at a time that falls in the correct place with getting thoe other positions filled that you want. Like I said earlier, have it now for use later when everything else is close to set. I was thinking of it as if LT was sitting there for our #1 pick and we pass him up because a few people might say "we don't need a RB yet".

Bongo59
01-08-2006, 07:18 PM
Are you comparing R.Bush's running to L.T's ? ...the similarities Start and END with their elisiveness .... Other than that Bush does NOT compare to LT .

Bush is fantastic IN SPACE .... but he does NOT take on defenders and get those extra yards . If you watched any USC football games this year OTHER THAN against UT you will see that all those huge runs were a product of HUGE HOLES up front ... Once he gets in the secondary he has the capability to take it to the house . Bush is the type of player that MUST get to the edge to be effective be it on sweep type runs or swing / screen passes .

Lots of people compare Bush to Marshal Faulk ..... I see the comparison only when running outside or via a pass designed to get Bush outside .... Faulk could run over people just as well as around them .

I think Bush translates better to the NFL as a WR than as a RB . Call me crazy but I just dont see him running between the tackles in the NFL anymore than he did at USC .

LT .... he can run over you or around you or thru you .... No Comparison . :twocents:RBush is better than LT and it is not close.................his yds per attempt is unheard of.................no comes close to him...................he was the first Heisman winner that most people agree completely deserved based upon his on field achievements..............you may want to not draft RBush and knock him for local boy young................but RBush is the real deal and no RB has ever come close to his junior yr..............he was off the charts...............

TexanSam
01-08-2006, 07:19 PM
Are you comparing R.Bush's running to L.T's ? ...the similarities Start and END with their elisiveness .... Other than that Bush does NOT compare to LT .

Bush is fantastic IN SPACE .... but he does NOT take on defenders and get those extra yards . If you watched any USC football games this year OTHER THAN against UT you will see that all those huge runs were a product of HUGE HOLES up front ... Once he gets in the secondary he has the capability to take it to the house . Bush is the type of player that MUST get to the edge to be effective be it on sweep type runs or swing / screen passes .

Lots of people compare Bush to Marshal Faulk ..... I see the comparison only when running outside or via a pass designed to get Bush outside .... Faulk could run over people just as well as around them .

I think Bush translates better to the NFL as a WR than as a RB . Call me crazy but I just dont see him running between the tackles in the NFL anymore than he did at USC .

LT .... he can run over you or around you or thru you .... No Comparison . :twocents:

You can't assume that the way Bush plays now is the way he will play every year in the NFL. Bush will bulk up in the NFL and I can see him being like Tiki Barber. You do have a point though, LT and Bush aren't great comparisons. Faulk and Bush are more similar. Heck, Sanders and Bush are also comparable.

Wordem
01-08-2006, 07:19 PM
RBush is better than LT and it is not close.................his yds per attempt is unheard of.................no comes close to him...................he was the first Heisman winner that most people agree completely deserved based upon his on field achievements..............

RB will not be anywhere near as good as LT. Mark it down.

Tale Gator
01-08-2006, 07:22 PM
RBush is better than LT and it is not close............... t..


We can now properly surmise you have zero real world football knowledge with which to base your opinions.

ALIVE287
01-08-2006, 07:27 PM
It's nice that your basing alot of your take on high school tapes. RB is our deepest position. Let's get rid of Carr, get some draft picks, and draft Young and some O linemen. Why are we gonna take Bush, the bonehead who lost the Rose Bowl and wasn't even the best player on his team?

swtbound07
01-08-2006, 07:55 PM
RBush is better than LT and it is not close.................his yds per attempt is unheard of.................no comes close to him...................he was the first Heisman winner that most people agree completely deserved based upon his on field achievements..............you may want to not draft RBush and knock him for local boy young................but RBush is the real deal and no RB has ever come close to his junior yr..............he was off the charts...............

dear lord.....
make the pounding in my head stop.

thanks,
swtbound07

Wolf
01-08-2006, 07:58 PM
Biography
Reggie was a star sprinter and football player in high school. He had offers from many D1 powers including Notre Dame and Texas, but stayed close to home and decided on USC. After winning MVP of the US Army All-American bowl, it didn't take Bush long to make an impact at USC. He would win numerous freshman honors and provided a spark at both running back and as a return man. As a sophomore, Bush was even more outstanding and would finish 5th in the Heisman voting. His junior season would prove to be his most outstanding to date.

Analysis
STRENGTHS: Speed, Elusiveness, Receiving, Blocking
WEAKNESSES: Power, Size
NFL COMPARISON: Ladanian Tomlinson, Chargers
Bush isn't as big and sturdy as Tomlinson, but both have similar strengths. Their cutback ability, vision and also their skills as receivers. Bush will also draw his share of comparisons to Marshall Faulk.
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Photo from National Champs SCOUTING REPORT: Bush has been one of college football's most exciting players. He has the ability to score anytime he touches the ball. Bush posseses elite speed and elusiveness. He has incredible acceleration and can outrun entire defenses. He gets the corner most of the time and simply does not get caught from behind. In the open field, he has great manuverability and has an array of moves to get away from defenders. He shows good vision and is a good cutback runner who can go against the grain. As an inside runner, he finds the crease and hits it hard, but isn't the biggest back and doesn't really push the pile. When he gets going north and south as fast as he moves though, he does become tough to arm tackle. In the passing game, Bush can be like an extra receiver. He has been used as a split and as a slot receiver and he can create mismatches. He has great hands and is obviously very dangerous after the catch. When he is asked to stay in, Bush is a great pass protector who will sell his body out and picks up the blitz. Bush is also an electrifying return man who will no doubt make an impact on special teams as well at the next level. One area of concern is the fact that Bush played on such a talented team with a variety of offensive weapons. As a result, he hasn't logged a large number of carries. It still remains to be seen if he can take a constant pounding over the course of an entire season. Whether he can be a 20-25 carry a game back remains to be seen.


http://www.draftshowcase.com/ReggieBush.htm

Wolf
01-08-2006, 07:59 PM
I agree with some of that.. He is like LT but without the size and power..

about his blocking.. I can't comment on that.. never paid attention to it

Goldeagle
01-08-2006, 08:15 PM
I'm sure most Texan fans would want Alexander but it's not realistic. He is going to ask for huge money comming off an MVP season and that is just not finacially sound thinking. Bringing him here would cripple us financially for years to come.


Think about what Bush will want after the hype machine rolled for him. Sure he looked like Tony Hollings against Texas in the biggest game of his life, but...

Tale Gator
01-08-2006, 08:45 PM
http://www.draftshowcase.com/ReggieBush.htm

It seems like Tiki would be a much comparison then LT or Faulk. :confused:

Corrosion
01-09-2006, 09:04 AM
..............you may want to not draft RBush and knock him for local boy young.


Where in this post do you see ANYTHING resembling my advocation for ...."Local Boy Young "? :brickwall

I just DO NOT agree with the comparison to LT . Outside of the elusiveness they have completely different running styles .

but RBush is the real deal and no RB has ever come close to his junior yr...

Two words ....Deangelo Williams this season. Not to mention a Multitude of others in the past .... throw in Maurice Clarett's FRESHMAN year for good measure . (yeah i know he's an 1d10t but he did have one good year)

FILO_girl
01-09-2006, 09:21 AM
For those that are hoping for Reggie Bush; including myself, if something crazy were to happen with Shaun Alexander, would you like for us to go after him? I mean I want Reggie too, but a lot of people are saying we don't need an RB yet and he can't run without holes, I say he finds them. I would rather not pass him up because his HS tape and running remind me of LaDainian Tomlinsons HS tape and NFL running. Honestly, would you want to pass that up because we don't need it now? Think about how loooooong it will take before someone like him comes around again, especially at "the right time" after we get all that we claim we need? You may not get a Reggie or Cadillac at "the right time" for SOME TIME. Also some say we have Dominick. Ok but how many teams have a good 1,2 punch with 2 solid RB's?
Now I know just having a RB won't allow for them to do it by themselves looking at the old Ricky Williams situation etc., but at least they're available when it's time. Take Giants and Colts for example. Tiki's around but they had to sort through QB's, Peyton is there but the D and other things had to gel. Point is those strong weapons are around and then you sift through. You don't sift then look for the strong because it may not go the way you need it to.
So if we don't get that and something funny were to happen with Shaun Alexander, would you want him or do you all just feel like we don't need a RB period?

Shaun? Here? I would love it, but won't happen for reasons already posted. We need to draft one of those 'dime a dozen' good RBs that y'all were talking about in another thread. Make our own mark with our own player.

BigBull17
01-09-2006, 10:57 AM
RBush is better than LT and it is not close.................his yds per attempt is unheard of.................no comes close to him...................he was the first Heisman winner that most people agree completely deserved based upon his on field achievements..............you may want to not draft RBush and knock him for local boy young................but RBush is the real deal and no RB has ever come close to his junior yr..............he was off the charts...............

Wow I think we should draft Bush and I think you couldnt be more WRONG in your comparison. LT is an absolute beast with evasiveness and speed to boot. Reggie will bulk up and work on his running between the tackles but come on. LT would have won MVP had he not hurt his ribs down the streach. He is the most complete back in the NFL and Bush hasnt takin a snap. Im a Bush supporter and I see this, grow up man.

rmartin65
01-09-2006, 02:30 PM
It is impossible for everybody to be satisfied.

Hervoyel
01-09-2006, 02:35 PM
Probably my biggest concern about bringing someone like Shaun Alexander or Edgerrin James to Houston is that they each have heavy miles on them. Yes Alexander is an MVP. He's also run for over 9000 yards. How many more yards is he going to be good for? At what price? What if we spend the money and he sputters to a halt in the next year or two. Edge has just under 8000 yards on him. These numbers added to the enormous contracts each would command account for teams reluctance to go make that move. The teams that might be "one player away" already have franchise RB's and a lot of teams offenses are built so much around the passing game that a average back will do nicely for a lot less money.

Ricky Williams even has some big miles on him now PLUS you have to worry about whether or not the man really cares all that much about playing football. If he could convince you that's one thing but if you saw doubt in his eyes why would you spend big money paying for the yards he's already run while wearing somebody elses jersey?

Cheroqui
01-15-2006, 08:23 PM
It's nice that your basing alot of your take on high school tapes. RB is our deepest position. Let's get rid of Carr, get some draft picks, and draft Young and some O linemen. Why are we gonna take Bush, the bonehead who lost the Rose Bowl and wasn't even the best player on his team?

You guys are analyzing too sharply. It is comparison of their styles. A speedy, elusive RB, with good agility and catching out of the backfield ability, period. Yeah, I do feel like their high school tapes looked similar from what I saw. I just can't beleive that you say HE lost the Rose Bowl, are you kidding me? Both teams were undefeated, and you can't switch up an evaluation on ability or potential a player has because of it. I've heard sports commentators talk about Leinart as if it was a good idea for him to stay another year because they lost, as if now he's been exposed. I listened as another spoke about Vince Young saying how he wondered why there was so much talk about Vince and now he see's why. That Vince is the truth; a good number of yards in the air, about the same on the ground. Had Texas lost they would have dogged him out saying that it is reminiscent of what we already see from scrambling Qb's in the NFL from Vick to McNabb, blaze blah.
That's why I don't think it's fair to say it's his fault. I mean look AT the NFL... speaking of LT, he came in and gets it done when he can, Cadillac did his job. Nevermind if they're rookies or not. You can also just look at the playoffs period. Alot of players that normally get the job done regular season (and why it's not done then I don't know) couldn't do it in the playoffs because teams locked in on them from Cadillac, to Tiki, to many other RB's; or at least gave them a hard time other than maybe Bettis. Even a few receivers like Plaxico Burress and Marvin Harrison didn't get much done, but did they lose the game? I wouldn't say so.

Wolf
01-15-2006, 09:42 PM
I would rather keep what we have and build a strong defense with atleast an above average OL, a TE and a reliable #2 WR.

Drafting Bush reminds me of when I went to college, I stupidly declared business my major and took classes for the 1st year then changed my major to computer science.. now i wasted time/money on classes that I didn't need for a major that I changed too.

that is how I see the Texans.. we have drafted Hollings/Wells/Morency/Davis/Baxter and half were 1st day picks.. now we are looking at another RB?? Heck we have drafted almost a full day of RB's then. We'd be looking at a #1 pick(bush), #3 hollings/Morency,#4 in Wells/Davis and a number #5 in Baxter over the years ...

:brickwall

sakebomb
01-15-2006, 10:38 PM
Sure he looked like Tony Hollings against Texas in the biggest game of his life,

Didn't Bush have over 200 total yards in that game? I wish Hollings had games like that. Then he would be worth the 2nd round pick we wasted on him.

Grid
01-15-2006, 11:32 PM
I would rather keep what we have and build a strong defense with atleast an above average OL, a TE and a reliable #2 WR.

Drafting Bush reminds me of when I went to college, I stupidly declared business my major and took classes for the 1st year then changed my major to computer science.. now i wasted time/money on classes that I didn't need for a major that I changed too.

that is how I see the Texans.. we have drafted Hollings/Wells/Morency/Davis/Baxter and half were 1st day picks.. now we are looking at another RB?? Heck we have drafted almost a full day of RB's then. We'd be looking at a #1 pick(bush), #3 hollings/Morency,#4 in Wells/Davis and a number #5 in Baxter over the years ...

:brickwall


Eh.. Wells is a FB/HB combo.. Hollings is a bust.. Baxter is gone.. Bush, Davis, Morency.. that is what we are looking at. With Wells to provide depth at two positions.

Its not that off the wall. Yah we have used picks on RBs.. but RB, I think, is one position where you need to use alot of picks (unless you get really lucky and every RB you draft is great). RBs have a short NFL life.. they take a big beating.. if you can get your RBs young, you get the biggest return for them.