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MorKnolle
01-06-2006, 11:59 PM
OK, for my 1000th post here is the grand daddy of information for the Texans offseason, much of this info has been posted by us on various threads but we'll pull it all together. To start, here is a list of all our current players and their contract status for next year, David Carr's is assuming we give him the 3 year extension, as Cass/McNair has said they will, and the tender amounts for restricted free agents is based on the 2005 levels and will end up being a little higher. This cap info is off of www.houstonprofootball.com:
Name.................2006 Cap Amt./2006 Cap Hit if Cut/Traded
David Carr...............$7,256,160/$6,018,480
Tony Banks.............$1,256,160/$406,160
Dave Ragone...........Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
Keep Carr, I personally would cut Banks since he hasn't done much at all for us and it costs us 3x as much to keep him as cut him, resign Ragone to the one-year tender and look for another veteran QB that will hopefully be more useful than Banks.
Domanick Davis........$3,806,160/$8,424,640
Moran Norris............$866,160/$412,420
Tony Hollings...........$699,410/$239,410
Vernand Morency......$505,160/$390,320
Jonathan Wells.........Unrestricted Free Agent ($662,160 in 2005)
Keep Davis, Morency, and Norris, resign Wells for about as much or a little less than what he got this last year, release Hollings as he is useless and not worth $700k.
Andre Johnson.........$7,383,104/$7,149,312
Jerome Mathis..........$428,160/$236,320
Jabar Gaffney...........Unrestricted Free Agent ($787,464 in 2005)
Corey Bradford..........Unrestricted Free Agent ($821,160 in 2005)
Derick Armstrong.......Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
Keep Andre and Mathis obviously, sign Armstrong to the one year tender, resign Gaffney for anything under $900k per year, and cut Corey Bradford, prefereably tomorrow.
Mark Bruener............$1,014,493/$139,493
Bennie Joppru...........$874,910/$414,910
Marcellus Rivers........Unrestricted Free Agent (646,160 in 2005)
Matt Murphy.............Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
Bruener is still a premier blocking TE and one of the team leaders, but $1 million to keep a guy that is going to have 3 catches a year is debatable. I wouldn't bother keeping Murphy, resign Rivers for anything under $650k, and keep Joppru for one last year.
Todd Wade..............$5,172,827/$6,691,308
Steve McKinney........$4,706,160/$806,160
Zach Wiegert............$4,206,160/$1,412,320
Chester Pitts............$3,180,000/$9,700,000
Todd Washington......$842,827/$172,827
Fred Weary..............$694,360/$149,360
Drew Hodgdon..........$358,127/$96,254
Milford Brown...........Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
Seth Wand..............Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
Bryan Pittman..........Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
Wade is expensive but shouldn't start, and it costs $1.5 million more against the cap to cut than keep him, so keep him as a backup only. Cut McKinney unless he takes a substantial pay cut. Keep Wiegert and Pitts to start, then Washington, Weary, and resigning Brown and Wand all as backups and keep Hodgdon, preferably as a backup after we hopefully bring in LeCharles Bentley. Pittman is a decent long snapper so resign him to the one year tender.
Gary Walker.............$5,839,493/$7,357,972
Robaire Smith...........$4,797,827/$5,591,308
Seth Payne..............$3,931,160/$3,393,480
Travis Johnson.........$1,500,160/$4,760,640
Jerry DeLoach..........$953,660/$580,980
Junior Ioane............$651,160/$212,320
Walker has to stay with his contract. Smith and Johnson stay, Payne is still pretty effective and it saves $600k to get rid of so there's not much point. DeLoach is costing a lot more than he's worth, and especially if we switch to a 4-3 he should be gone. Ioane's fate depends on our defense, in a 3-4 maybe keep him, if we go to a 4-3 then cut him, although Malone looked better and can probably be signed for less.
Morlon Greenwood.....$3,966,160/$5,624,640
Kailee Wong.............$3,171,160/$4,684,460
Jason Babin..............$1,325,670/$2,966,668
Charlie Anderson.......$407,827/$22,827
Antwan Peek............Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
Shantee Orr.............Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
DaShon Polk.............Unrestricted Free Agent ($696,160 in 2005)
Troy Evans...............Restricted Free Agent ($656,000 tender)
Greenwood and Wong stay because of their contracts. Babin stays. Charlie Anderson is cheap and decent so keep him. Sign Peek and Orr to one year tenders, resign Polk for under $600k. I wouldn't tender Evans but resign him for about the minimum otherwise don't worry about him.
Marcus Coleman........$3,041,160/$2,512,320
Dunta Robinson.........$2,121,548/$5,134,644
DeMarcus Faggins.....$1,281,160/$1,143,480
Philip Buchanon........$806,160/-0-
Jason Simmons.........$776,160/$212,320
Lewis Sanders..........$751,160/$206,160
Glenn Earl................$487,660/$102,660
C.C. Brown...............$341,260/$62,520
Ramon Walker..........Unrestricted Free Agent ($498,825 in 2005)
Jason Bell................Unrestricted Free Agent ($486,160 in 2005)
Obviously keep Dunta, Earl, and Brown. Cut Coleman, hopefully before Monday. I'd keep Faggins and Buchanon and hope our new coach and DC can get Buchanon to play to his physical gifts. Keep Sanders, he played pretty well this year. I'd probably cut Simmons and find a similar guy for less money. Resign Jason Bell for a similar contract and let Ramon Walker go.
Kris Brown.................$1,586,160/$1,544,640
Chad Stanley.............$826,160/$156,160
Chad Stanley is pretty accurate punter but not a strong leg, so I'd maybe look to bring on a free agent around training camp and cut Stanley and save some money if he can beat him out. Kris Brown is more expensive than he's worth but it costs just as much to cut him and Jose Cortez was the best available free agent this year, so Brown may stay unless a decent rookie free agent is available.
Jason Anderson, Donovan Morgan, Aaron Halterman, Garrick Jones, Alfred Malone, Kenneth Pettway, Andre Torrey, Quinn Dorsey, Chris McKenzie, and Jammal Lord were all on practice squad and many moved up at the end of the year, but all are unrestricted free agents and I don't think should be kept on unless they earn a spot in training camp.

After my roster suggestions, our cap amount would be approximately $76,250,000, which will end up being a little higher with the increase in RFA tenders and having to sign some other people. The salary cap is projected to be between $92-$95 million next year, so we have some room to work with, but we have to use that to sign any draft picks and free agents (Bentley should be their #1 choice and will probably cost 6 years, $25 million so about $5 against next year's cap). Here's a look at some players that are scheduled to be free agents that could be of interest to us, and their team's projected cap for next year so you can get an idea of which ones might be resigned by their team and which teams won't have money to afford their guys:

Baltimore - $77M
Anthony Weaver DE
Tommy Polley LB
Jamal Lewis RB
Chester Taylor RB
Will Demps S

Buffalo - $82M
Nate Clements CB
Trey Teague OC
Mario Haggan LB
Eric Moulds? WR

Cincinnati - $71M
Jeremi Johnson FB
Nate Webster LB
Jon Kitna QB
Matt Schobel TE

Cleveland - $66M
L.J. Shelton OT
Aaron Shea TE
Billy Miller TE
Antonio Bryant WR

Denver - $119M
Ron Dayne RB

Indianapolis - $92M
Raheem Brock DE
Robert Mathis DE
Larry Tripplett DT
Mike Vanderjagt K
Cato June LB
David Thornton LB
Edgerrin James RB
Reggie Wayne WR

Jacksonville - $75M
Marcellus Wiley DE
Vince Manuwai OG
Akin Ayodele LB
Mike Pearson OT

Kansas City - $114M
Carlos Hall DE

Miami - $97M
Seth McKinney OC
Lance Schulters S
David Boston WR

NY Jets - $120M
John Abraham DE
Chris Baker TE

New England - $92M
Chad Scott CB
Tom Ashworth OT
David Givens WR
Andre Davis WR

Oakland - $120M
Charles Woodson CB
Tim Johnson LB

Pittsburgh - $96M
Ike Taylor CB
Chris Hope S
Antwaan Randle WR

San Diego - $71M
Jamar Fletcher CB
Ben Leber LB
Courtney Van Buren OT
Drew Brees QB
Reche Caldwell WR

Tennessee - $102M
Justin Hartwig OC
Kyle Vanden Bosch DE
Tank Williams S

Arizona - $62M
Kurt Warner QB
Teyo Johnson TE

Atlanta - $101M
Kevin Shaffer OT

Carolina - $93M
Jeff Mitchell OC
Dante Wesley CB
Ricky Manning CB
Will Witherspoon LB
Marlon McCree S

Chicago - $75M
Roberto Garza OC
Jerry Azumah CB

Dallas - $90M
Scott Fujita LB
Dan Campbell TE
Peerless Price WR

Detroit - $83M
Cory Redding DE
Jeff Backus OT
Jeff Garcia QB

Green Bay - $70M
Mike Flanagan OC
Aaron Kampman DE
Ahman Green RB

Minnesota - $68M
Toniu Fonoti OG
Michael Bennett RB
Nate Burleson WR

NY Giants - $89M
Will Allen CB
Bob Whitfield OT

New Orleans - $82M
LeCharles Bentley OC/OG
Darren Howard DE
Sedrick Hodge LB

Philadelphia - $85M
Jon Runyan OT
Terrell Owens WR

San Francisco - $74M
Julian Peterson LB
Brandon Moore LB
Derek Smith LB
Brandon Lloyd WR

Seattle - $71M
Rocky Bernard DT
Steve Hutchinson OG
Shaun Alexander RB
Joe Jurevicius WR

St. Louis - $76M
Ryan Pickett DT
Adam Archuleta SS

Tampa Bay - $100M
Chris Hovan DT
Todd Steussie OT
Chris Simms QB

Washington - $112M
Warrick Holdman LB

MorKnolle
01-07-2006, 12:00 AM
Any of the teams with significant cap room will likely resign any of their good free agents, teams that are at or above the projected cap will likely not be able to resign many of their guys, as their cap projections are not including resigning any of their free agents. Some of the guys that could definitely be available would be Reggie Wayne (probably end up being pretty expensive, I see him going to Philadelphia) and maybe Raheem Brock and Larry Tripplett from Indy, John Abraham from the NY Jets (Jets would probably like to resign him but have a lot of cap problems, Ty Law and Curtis Martin could likely be released or retire to free a decent amount of room), LeCharles Bentley wants to leave New Orleans and should be a primary target of ours. Many of the other people I think either won't be released or aren't of much interest to our team.

bdiddy
01-07-2006, 12:03 AM
Excellent post!

Kaiser Toro
01-07-2006, 12:09 AM
I laughed, I cried. Good stuff once again.

MorKnolle
01-07-2006, 12:09 AM
After my suggested roster moves, here is what our roster would look like next year:
QB
David Carr
Dave Ragone

RB
Domanick Davis
Jonathan Wells
Vernand Morency
Moran Norris

WR
Andre Johnson
Jabar Gaffney
Jerome Mathis
Derick Armstrong

TE
Mark Bruener?
Bennie Joppru
Marcellus Rivers

OL
Chester Pitts
Zach Wiegert
Steve McKinney? (only with significant salary cut)
Todd Washington
Fred Weary
Milford Brown
Seth Wand
Drew Hodgdon

DL
Gary Walker
Robaire Smith
Seth Payne
Travis Johnson

LB/DE (depending on defensive system)
Jason Babin
Antwan Peek

LB
Kailee Wong
Morlon Greenwood
Shantee Orr
Charlie Anderson
DaShon Polk

CB
Dunta Robinson
Philip Buchanon
DeMarcus Faggins
Louis Sanders
Jason Bell

S
Glenn Earl
C.C. Brown

K/P
Kris Brown
Chad Stanley

We need some serious OL help (multiple additions), a nice DE if we switch to a 4-3, and CB/S help as our primary concerns in my opinion, some WRs for depth, maybe a pretty high pick for a good fast one, we need some LBs but with contract situations with our current guys I don't know how much that is a plausible option.

edo783
01-07-2006, 12:26 AM
Morknolle, Thanks for all the data and for taking the time to put it together.

Scooter
01-07-2006, 12:50 AM
great stuff as always morknolle. i've got a question ... when do the re-signs & releases have to be made? or is there a deadline?

about a couple of your current staff. depending on how we draft, i'd gladly put a rookie in over mckinney and weigert. by dropping both we'd save nearly 6.5mil against next year's cap, and it's my opinion that we couldnt really do any worse nomatter who we put there. on your defensive side, i'd honestly be more inclined to keep simmons & walker at db's than faggins. especially walker, even if he's little more than special teams, he's the only texan who can block a kick.

FA's that really stand out to me are hutchinson & bentley of course, but i'd also give a hard look at ike taylor (CB steelers), teyo johnson (TE arizona), aaron kampman (DE packers, probably will be resigned), and vanden bosch (DE titans). the last two if we decide to go with a 4-3 defense next season.

MorKnolle
01-07-2006, 01:32 AM
great stuff as always morknolle. i've got a question ... when do the re-signs & releases have to be made? or is there a deadline?

about a couple of your current staff. depending on how we draft, i'd gladly put a rookie in over mckinney and weigert. by dropping both we'd save nearly 6.5mil against next year's cap, and it's my opinion that we couldnt really do any worse nomatter who we put there. on your defensive side, i'd honestly be more inclined to keep simmons & walker at db's than faggins. especially walker, even if he's little more than special teams, he's the only texan who can block a kick.

FA's that really stand out to me are hutchinson & bentley of course, but i'd also give a hard look at ike taylor (CB steelers), teyo johnson (TE arizona), aaron kampman (DE packers, probably will be resigned), and vanden bosch (DE titans). the last two if we decide to go with a 4-3 defense next season.

If I'm not mistaken teams have until March 1st to resign people before free agency starts on March 2nd. I think Wiegert still has another good year left in him, I'm not real fond of McKinney anymore and if he doesn't take a substantial pay cut (like down to $1.5M at absolute most) I'd get rid of him. I like Simmons willingness to get in there and hit people, but he's small and not overly athletic and I think we could find someone just as good for less money, but I'd keep him on the roster until training camp and see if someone better surfaces, if not I'd be fine with keeping him. Seattle has cap room so I doubt Hutchinson get let go, but Bentley will likely be leaving and hopefully will come here. Teyo would be a pretty good option at TE and Ike Taylor could be nice if he's released. I doubt Vanden Bosch gets loose and he'd probably cost a lot too so I'm not sure if we can get him.

Kaiser Toro
01-07-2006, 09:24 AM
stick it up, flip it, bump it down, ohhhh nooooo

bump

Coach C.
01-07-2006, 09:31 AM
Kaiser are you already having a shot of the good stuff this early, i know i want some.

Kaiser Toro
01-07-2006, 09:42 AM
Kaiser are you already having a shot of the good stuff this early, i know i want some.

Lying on a beach in Costa Rica for the past week will change your perspective. :)

Runner
01-07-2006, 09:52 AM
Lying on a beach in Costa Rica for the past week will change your perspective. :)

Nice. The closest I came to that this year was some Jamaica Blue Mountain Coffe.

DRAMA
01-07-2006, 11:13 AM
Nice. The closest I came to that this year was some Jamaica Blue Mountain Coffe.

I've had that coffee before and that was some of the smoothest stuff I've ever had. However, that was years ago and I read now that it has really gone up in price. Next time in Jamaica, when they ask if I want ganja (sp?), I'll just say Blue Mountain Coffee please! :)

Morknolle - great stuff on the cap. That's really a great snapshot of where we're at - thanks!! One quick question - any ideas on what VY would cost us as opposed to Bush as our #1?

the wonger need food
01-07-2006, 11:19 AM
Everytime I look at how much the offensive line makes as a unit I almost get physically sick. Casserly should be fired based on these numbers alone.

Coach C.
01-07-2006, 11:29 AM
Morknolle - great stuff on the cap. That's really a great snapshot of where we're at - thanks!! One quick question - any ideas on what VY would cost us as opposed to Bush as our #1?

Bush would get 45-50M and Vince would get 55M.

thunderkyss
01-16-2006, 02:41 PM
So let's say we get Lecharles Bently for $6mil..... leaving us $13mill to work with. If we save $7mill for our #1 pick, that leaves us $6mill.... is that going to sign our other draft picks?? would we be done with Free agency if that is the case??

MorKnolle
01-16-2006, 04:55 PM
So let's say we get Lecharles Bently for $6mil..... leaving us $13mill to work with. If we save $7mill for our #1 pick, that leaves us $6mill.... is that going to sign our other draft picks?? would we be done with Free agency if that is the case??

It would certainly limit us, although I'm not sure how many other free agents will actually be released from their teams that are worth us getting, although I think we can get Bentley for more like $5 million. If we make a couple cuts (McKinney, Coleman for sure) then we can free up some more cap room too.

humbleone
01-17-2006, 09:46 AM
Great post Morknolle...maybe the best I ever read...thanks! My moves would be close but I guess I am a bit more "done" with some of our OL than you at this point.

McKinney and Wiegert should either be gone completely or signed for one more year at a maximum of $1M. IMO, they are both overpaid and we need their $ in order to have any real cap room to work with thanks to bonehead CC moves. (Saves 3.7M-5.7M depending on whether they take the cuts)

Washington should be cut. (saves another $670K)

Finally, IMO it is time to thank Bruener but say goodbye to him as well. $1M is just to much for this team to pay for the production we get from him. (saves another $850K)

So, your moves plus the above and we have another 5.2M-7.2M to work with which might bring Reggie Wayne into the picture after all for us in addition to Bentley. The rest we are going to have to do through a couple of drafts IMO.

Go Texans...the turnaround has already begun!:redtowel:

Texan_X
01-23-2006, 04:49 PM
LMAO!!!!! David Carr a 3 year extension how pathetic......First we need to get rid of his a55.I'll have to admit Banks does not get sh1t done all the time,But when he actually plays he does it right.David Carr is not a leader like Vince Young,I think Vince Young would be the best choice the Texans organization will make for years to come.
Vince Young can lead this team to more victories,He is a thinker.When he is under pressure he makes sure to either gain yards on a run or wait till a reciever gets open.
Carr prefers his method get sacked or run out of bounce and gain nothing.He is not a accurate thrower.When he has a reciever open down the middle,he makes a mistake of throwing it down the field to try getting a reception.Does he succeed? No,my point is we need to get Vince Young.This is the best chance we have to get someone as good as Micheal Vick or even better.
David Carr is a show boat.Go with a leader not a Hollywood act :cool:

Glacier
01-23-2006, 04:52 PM
woah, where did you pull that info from?


i'd like to see a break down of a few teams.

MorKnolle
02-06-2006, 03:59 PM
I would love to find similar websites for all the teams, unfortunately there is not a centralized one for all the NFL teams. Cadahnic and I have found some similar websites for some of the other teams, but at this exact moment I don't have those handy, but I can try to find them later and post them on here.

Also it should be noted that these are not official figures and are probably not 100% accurate, but from everything I've heard the site we got these from is very accurate.

BlueThunder
02-07-2006, 12:14 AM
Man that some good info,,,let me look at this and I'll get back with you.Banks is as good as gone....QC was better then him and beat him out his rookie year..Theres no since in keeping him...That a mid level player right there..

We don't need to keep extra cap for rookies either because we need to sign as many FA as we can get or front load so things drop next year..UNCAPED YEAR,,,Will worry about that later

BlueThunder
02-07-2006, 12:27 AM
I tell ya one thing and thats that my plan would work really well..The rookie cap will be what 3 million set in the peremeter..We cut all TEs except Juniper...(We add 2 in the draft in the 3 mil per)We can cut McKinney and sign Bentley for maybe 3 mil more....we draft our line so thats covered and then we only need one solid 1 DE and 1 lb to start and a CB And runner.the other lber and de will be in the draft.:redtowel:


LeCharles > McKinney 3
RB 2.5
TE save 2 million to add to CB 1 MIL Charge
DE 3 MIL
LB 1 MIL
rookie pool 3 mil
(TOTAL 14 MIL) And i'm not to the other cuts LB DT and DE and OL...WE CAN DO IT AND HAVE 6 OR 7 In june to make any ajustments...I'm really riding with you guys but i want it documented that I wasn't in the Bush pick.

BlueThunder
02-07-2006, 12:52 AM
Robaire Smith
Seth Payne
Travis Johnson
,,,,,,,,,stay!

We unload everything else!
Trade or what ever
Next year the cap drops

The 3 on top are the future for a while

the 43 can only carry 3 DT s 4 at the most but 4 is a roster spot somewhere else.Gary reaching the end and can't be depended to finish the season.

That will cost us talent unless we use a chance at a starting spot and back load a little to bring them in..I think we do keep Carr but he' may not start..Theres not way we get better talent cheaper ,,,that - 2mil before we even look maybe we go with our line all but Bentley and draft ,DE and one of the other FA,,,I do like James as a backup option a sulid proven vet with good speed and hands,,power back..I have a plan with 2 DEs in the draft

Switching to the 43 were going to have to unload some players and the best trades are low value.We need to deal with someone to get a few players in the draft...We may have to move back and pick up some picks...I can count 8 or 9 mil in cap just clearing our roster to take players for the 43 Deloach And Ioane we may be able to get a 5th or 6th to a team like Cleveland but I don't see anyone taking Walkers hit on a trade but then i usually don't worry about that..thats for the GM to figure out...Guys I think we take all the runners to camp but bring in as RB and FB to compete..If they ain't worth keeping and thats carry the team then there usless and need to be unloaded,,,If they can't catch ,,,see ya..thats what the wc demands,,,this is the year to fix all the mistakes no mater what it takes...You guys are look to to save on keeping the high priced but i'm looking to cut them to make room for our future coming in..We don't need high cap for average talent,,,we could get at value..I'm tring to figure a way That next year we can get the talent we need,,. we can't carry 4 guards a LT money....I'm looking to keep the youth from last years draft ,,,atleast till they come to camp fat or out of shape...We need one solid veteran line and the and 2 almost start ready at value...I still think my plan is a good one I think we can get rooies starting inside and one moving to RT in the near future,,,if the young Guards we have are that good then why not go with them and unload the fat this year..I think Lutui and Reddeck are ready to start day one but the combine will tell a lot.It would have to be inside and they would whiff some..

FILO_girl
02-09-2006, 08:22 PM
Wow, thanks for the info morknolle! That defends my reason to keep DD while my kid and hubby want him gone (told them he is a big cap hit this year).

Much appreciated and keep the info coming! :)

How long is Walker's contract, and Greenwoods?