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jacquescas
01-06-2006, 02:31 PM
You know i had alot of faith in the intelligence of this board, but after that one game the way everyone has jumped on the Vince Young bandwagon its pathetic.

2 weeks ago the talk was either Linart or Bush or trading the pick. Vince Young has a monster game and everyone wants him now.

Is it really better for the team to take a Jr QB who until this year was viewed as a WR pro prospect to hand the team over to.

Sure i get it everyone loves Texas and he is from Houston, its a great story. But come on people does that one game change sooo much? Frankly USC lost the game because Carroll made some bad choices coaching, so if UT lost would everyone still be in Young's booty?

Give it a rest people the NFL is full of parity and worst to first happens quite often (see the Bucs this year) But scrapping a young QB for a unexperienced one is just going to set us back another decade and when Vince gets hurt running for his life where will everyone be.

I hope Vince is a good pro QB but i dont see him being better than McNabb or Vick, he doesn't have the explosiveness that they have or the Arm strength. He is more like Culpepper in terms of mobility just without the bulk. USC's defense isn't even in the top 25.

Realize it was a great college game and he playaed about as well as anyone could but that isn't pure transllation into NFL stardom.

We need to use our picks wisely and not try and make the fans happy. the fans will be happy when we win. It doesn't matter if our QB was a communist from Cuba if he won 15 games he would be a hero and the city would embrace him.

Vince young is an electrifying talent but he will not get this team winning in 06.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 02:53 PM
I agree with you, but I am not sure what is worse, those that jump on the bandwagon or those that get hot under the collar because of bandwagoners. Tune them out, bring some data or a take to win them over. Throwing virtual stones usually does not work.

pv1999
01-06-2006, 03:15 PM
I agree with you, but I am not sure what is worse, those that jump on the bandwagon or those that get hot under the collar because of bandwagoners. Tune them out, bring some data or a take to win them over. Throwing virtual stones usually does not work.

The FIRST smart thing I have seen from you. jj

Seriously, Let him whine he makes the other people look good.

CenTexNative
01-06-2006, 03:22 PM
While I can understand your point of view you also have to kindly disagree. Vince Young is the #1 completion percentege quarterback. He threww for more yardage than any other quatrerback in the NCAA this year and ran for 1000 yards too. This dude is the real deal. Don't get me wrong I used to feelt he same way at the begning of the year. But seeing him game after game and what he has done over the last year has changed my mind. Maybe not compeltely as I believe it take more than just one year to prove consistency. But he has definately come a very long way from where he was last year. So there you have it

Crash
01-06-2006, 03:28 PM
You know i had alot of faith in the intelligence of this board, but after that one game the way everyone has jumped on the Vince Young bandwagon its pathetic.

2 weeks ago the talk was either Linart or Bush or trading the pick. Vince Young has a monster game and everyone wants him now.

Is it really better for the team to take a Jr QB who until this year was viewed as a WR pro prospect to hand the team over to.

Sure i get it everyone loves Texas and he is from Houston, its a great story. But come on people does that one game change sooo much? Frankly USC lost the game because Carroll made some bad choices coaching, so if UT lost would everyone still be in Young's booty?

Give it a rest people the NFL is full of parity and worst to first happens quite often (see the Bucs this year) But scrapping a young QB for a unexperienced one is just going to set us back another decade and when Vince gets hurt running for his life where will everyone be.

I hope Vince is a good pro QB but i dont see him being better than McNabb or Vick, he doesn't have the explosiveness that they have or the Arm strength. He is more like Culpepper in terms of mobility just without the bulk. USC's defense isn't even in the top 25.

Realize it was a great college game and he playaed about as well as anyone could but that isn't pure transllation into NFL stardom.

We need to use our picks wisely and not try and make the fans happy. the fans will be happy when we win. It doesn't matter if our QB was a communist from Cuba if he won 15 games he would be a hero and the city would embrace him.

Vince young is an electrifying talent but he will not get this team winning in 06.

Attacking the "intelligence" of the posters on this board, then misspelling "a lot" - two separate words - in the same sentence is not a good way to start for those of us who are in fact intelligent.

I digress. I have been a Horns fan for years and would yell at the TV everytime Chance Mock would get the start in lieu of Vince. I have have wanted Vince to come out all along, as I am sure many others have considered, too. Perhaps we are just being more vocal about it now that he has proven himself worthy of the number 1 pick. It wasn't just one good game...VY has been a stud all season long.

JDizzle
01-06-2006, 03:33 PM
While I can understand your point of view you also have to kindly disagree. Vince Young is the #1 completion percentege quarterback. He threww for more yardage than any other quatrerback in the NCAA this year and ran for 1000 yards too. This dude is the real deal. Don't get me wrong I used to feelt he same way at the begning of the year. But seeing him game after game and what he has done over the last year has changed my mind. Maybe not compeltely as I believe it take more than just one year to prove consistency. But he has definately come a very long way from where he was last year. So there you have it

Here are the final 2005 rankings for QB's.
Link. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&group=80&year=2005&sort=com%)

He's 10th in Comp. % and 18th in yardage.

Crash
01-06-2006, 03:45 PM
I agree with you, but I am not sure what is worse, those that jump on the bandwagon or those that get hot under the collar because of bandwagoners. Tune them out, bring some data or a take to win them over. Throwing virtual stones usually does not work.

Kaiser, you live in Austin, so I must ask...Do you watch the Horns and the Texans? If you watch the Horns, you would know how consistent and electrifying VY really is. If you watch the Texans, you would know how badly we need to take the trash out to the curb and refurnish our house.

It almost sounds as if you want Vince to return to the Horns for selfish reasons, like trying to win a 2nd National Championship. Mack Brown talked about the fact that Young would be eligible for insurance if he stays, but...look at Willis McGahee. He stayed at Miami and got injured in the Fiesta Bowl. He was drafted, but didn't play one game his entire rookie season. He had insurance but was NOT PAID because it was not a career ending injury. Point being, he could have, and WOULD have gone a lot higher than 23rd and he missed out on a huge signing bonus, as well as his first year's salary. The risk is just not worth it.

I'm not on the bandwagon, I'm driving.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 04:00 PM
Kaiser, you live in Austin, so I must ask...Do you watch the Horns and the Texans? If you watch the Horns, you would know how consistent and electrifying VY really is. If you watch the Texans, you would know how badly we need to take the trash out to the curb and refurnish our house.

It almost sounds as if you want Vince to return to the Horns for selfish reasons, like trying to win a 2nd National Championship. Mack Brown talked about the fact that Young would be eligible for insurance if he stays, but...look at Willis McGahee. He stayed at Miami and got injured in the Fiesta Bowl. He was drafted, but didn't play one game his entire rookie season. He had insurance but was NOT PAID because it was not a career ending injury. Point being, he could have, and WOULD have gone a lot higher than 23rd and he missed out on a huge signing bonus, as well as his first year's salary. The risk is just not worth it.

I'm not on the bandwagon, I'm driving.

I watch both and want VY to come out this year to up our leverage on Carr and the #1. I am a season ticket holder with the Texans, they are my main allegiance.

If you look at the majority of my posts I have been one of the biggest critics of DC over the year.

CenTexNative
01-06-2006, 04:03 PM
Here are the final 2005 rankings for QB's.
Link. (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&group=80&year=2005&sort=com%)

He's 10th in Comp. % and 18th in yardage.
I stand corrected but if you look at the ratings he's 3rd compared to is 8th. And the 2 in front of him are from Arizona State and Luoisville. Not exactly powerhouses. But again I stand corrected. Point made and point taken.

pv1999
01-06-2006, 04:04 PM
So, Texas goes on a 19-game winning streak. The only real pro offensive prospect is Vince and people call him "one game wonder"? Maybe he does have a point about the intelligence of some of our posters.

Afrokid
01-06-2006, 04:13 PM
only reason texans wanted bush in the first place is because of his 500 yard + game against fresno....and now the only reason we want young is because of his awsome performance at the rose bowl...heh...go figure... BTW is Leinart going to get a chance to redeem himself in the Senior Bowl since he technically is still a senior (a super senior)

CenTexNative
01-06-2006, 04:16 PM
So, Texas goes on a 19-game winning streak. The only real pro offensive prospect is Vince and people call him "one game wonder"? Maybe he does have a point about the intelligence of some of our posters.
You forgot to mention that he is also 30-2 as a starter. :redtowel: And I hve to agree with your statement about the intelligence of some of our posters.

Huge
01-06-2006, 04:24 PM
Posted - 11-28-2005
I'd say reggie bush was the best player ever etc. IF he were at least 15 pounds heavier without losing any speed, quickness or agility. right now at a hair over 200lbs. Yes he is bigger than Warrick Dunn, but he is still Michael Vick sized and for that he will always be questioned as a full time back. Although having Davis to share carries in the backfield will make it better, and a new coach (martz will make his attempt) will try to utillize him in rather ingenious ways.(ie WR)
You posted that 9 days after Bush shredded Fresno State.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

tulexan
01-06-2006, 04:33 PM
So, Texas goes on a 19-game winning streak. The only real pro offensive prospect is Vince and people call him "one game wonder"? Maybe he does have a point about the intelligence of some of our posters.


Ken Dorsey had a 34 game winning streak.

Where is he now?

pv1999
01-06-2006, 04:35 PM
Posted - 11-28-2005

You posted that 9 days after Bush shredded Fresno State.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

OHHHHHH!!!
Exposed, Naked, Undressed, Out in the open, Revealed, Truth.

Stop the Hypocracy, just say you don't like Vince and move on. The funny thing is that the one game that VY showed up for (besides the 30 he won) just happened to be for the biggest prize in College Football. If that makes him a one gamer, like Maurice Clarette who also would have been drafted if he was allowed to enter, then Vince is the Larry Brown (one hit wonder from the Cowboys, not the coach) of the NCAA.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 04:36 PM
Ken Dorsey had a 34 game winning streak.

Where is he now?

ding fries are done, ding fries are done :)

pv1999
01-06-2006, 04:37 PM
Ken Dorsey had a 34 game winning streak.

Where is he now?

C'mon
Look around Ken Dorsey,QB, SF 49ers, and ask where are they?
Look around Vince and ask where will they be?

dirty steve
01-06-2006, 04:48 PM
OHHHHHH!!!
Exposed, Naked, Undressed, Out in the open, Revealed, Truth.

Stop the Hypocracy, just say you don't like Vince and move on. The funny thing is that the one game that VY showed up for (besides the 30 he won) just happened to be for the biggest prize in College Football. If that makes him a one gamer, like Maurice Clarette who also would have been drafted if he was allowed to enter, then Vince is the Larry Brown (one hit wonder from the Cowboys, not the coach) of the NCAA.

some of you act as if somebody does not want the Texans to draft Vincent Young that they hate him. i would love for Young to come here, but the Texans have more pressing needs than a QB who would sit for 1-2 years. whoever they take at the top of the draft this year has to make an immediate impact.

bckey
01-06-2006, 04:48 PM
I think what a lot of people fail to realize is that nobody thought Vince was going to come out this year. The Rose Bowl changed that thinking. Now Vince is on top and is better served by coming out. So it isn't so much of people jumping on his bandwagon as much as people that have been his fans excited about the fact that now he may come out.

Khari
01-06-2006, 04:51 PM
:) ding fries are done, ding fries are done :)

he works at Burger King making flame broiled whoppers?

Huge
01-06-2006, 04:52 PM
some of you act as if somebody does not want the Texans to draft Vincent Young that they hate him. i would love for Young to come here, but the Texans have more pressing needs than a QB who would sit for 1-2 years. whoever they take at the top of the draft this year has to make an immediate impact.
Why? Will the player they draft only sign a one year contract?

dirty steve
01-06-2006, 05:04 PM
so you guys are saying you want somebody who will sit around for 2 years, and then might not even be want you want when he gets to play?

Huge
01-06-2006, 05:09 PM
Are you saying you'd like to see the team draft a player that could have his knee blow-out and he's never the same player again because of it? That's been known to happen before as well.

You run a risk with any player. Nobody is a guarantee.

Blake
01-06-2006, 05:15 PM
I'll be honest. After the emotional rose bowl game, I was shocked at how well VY did, and was enjoying the fact that if he came out, we could draft him. I even said that in the rose bowl thread. Its not just this game. Ive seen his last 2 full season. Some live.

Anywho, now that my head is cleared, I am leaning towards Bush again.

1. VY might not even come out.
2. I want to see what Kubiak can do with Carr.
3. I dont want to wait 2 years for VInce to be ready.
4. If we did get Vince, we would have to basically release Carr, or sign 2 first overall QB's. Not good for cap reasons.
5. I know Bush, (like most RB's) can make a huge impact next year.

Carr + Johnson + Bush + Davis + Mathis = A damn good chance to make alot of noise.

I think Capers has been holding this team down for years. Lets see what Kubiak can do with Carr.

Htown34s
01-06-2006, 05:20 PM
I think what a lot of people fail to realize is that nobody thought Vince was going to come out this year. The Rose Bowl changed that thinking. Now Vince is on top and is better served by coming out. So it isn't so much of people jumping on his bandwagon as much as people that have been his fans excited about the fact that now he may come out.

Exactly BCKEY! I've been talking VY up on this board for months. I didn't think much about us drafting him because that was before the Rose Bowl and before we had the #1 pick.

tulexan
01-06-2006, 05:30 PM
I thought he was coming out. ESPN News reported that he wanted to a few weeks ago

dirty steve
01-06-2006, 05:31 PM
the reason alot of you are being called VY bandwagoners is because you are. you are all like "i have been checking out Vincent Young all year" or "his QB rating is the highest in the nation," so that is why we should tie up 15 million or so of the salary cap in a position where only one player can be on the field at a time? it makes me sick.

i am a huge Houston fan and would love to see Houston players come home (check my Adam Dunn man-crush from last year). but i just don't see Young as being a good fit right now. why admit a failure by letting Carr go and starting over? what if VY doesn't work out? will you guys be calling for another Houston-area or UT alum (everybody's favorite flavor) in another 4 years?

Young just needs to go back to school and make this argument moot.

beerlover
01-06-2006, 05:50 PM
DRAFT YOUNG & FRANCHISE CARR is that so difficult and unreasonable :cool:

tulexan
01-06-2006, 05:52 PM
So you want to have over $20 million of cap space tied into one position next year?

LongBignasty1
01-06-2006, 05:58 PM
Draft Young and let our leadership figure out where to send Carr. No matter what we are not a playoff team next year. THINK

tulexan
01-06-2006, 06:05 PM
I actually think that if we surround Carr with the right people and protect him then we have an outside shot of being a playoff team.

beerlover
01-06-2006, 06:06 PM
So you want to have over $20 million of cap space tied into one position next year?

Let the cap experts worry about that :ok: from what I understand the cap figure is going up between 90-100 million next year from around 80 million this year. money will not be a concern with Vince on board & if he is proven ready sooner than later you have a bargining chip in Carr that some team might be willing to spend a #1 pick on if we are patient :pigfly:

tulexan
01-06-2006, 06:14 PM
money will not be a concern with Vince on board

this isn't the NBA. there is a hard cap. you can't go over it at all. if we have 20% of our cap tied into 1 position, where one player is going to be on the bench i might add, how are we going to sign the rest of the 51 players on the roster?

Texans_Chick
01-06-2006, 06:19 PM
the reason alot of you are being called VY bandwagoners is because you are. you are all like "i have been checking out Vincent Young all year" or "his QB rating is the highest in the nation," so that is why we should tie up 15 million or so of the salary cap in a position where only one player can be on the field at a time? it makes me sick.

i am a huge Houston fan and would love to see Houston players come home (check my Adam Dunn man-crush from last year). but i just don't see Young as being a good fit right now. why admit a failure by letting Carr go and starting over? what if VY doesn't work out? will you guys be calling for another Houston-area or UT alum (everybody's favorite flavor) in another 4 years?

Young just needs to go back to school and make this argument moot.

Various and sundry thoughts:

1. Not a bandwagoner. I've always wanted VY as a Texan (see posts since October). Didn't think it could be possible. I've been trying to be OK about picking Bush because it seemed inevitable. But the stars have aligned to allow us to do this and we shouldn't fight it. The NFL gods have given us the perfect situation--the best player in the draft in a place where he really really wants to play. Don't mess with fate.

2. All the Rose Bowl did was make it more sellable and feasible that VY could come out and demand the first pick. A great analogy could be made to Mike Vick's decision in coming out (and I am not making the statement that he is the same player as Vick, just comparing their draft journey):

Mike Vick Bio (http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Vick/Vick_bio.html)

Excerpt: The Hokies ended the year with three straight wins, including a three-touchdown victory over Clemson in the Gator Bowl. Michael, who threw for one score and ran for another, was named the game's MVP. For the season, he completed 87 of 161 passes for 1,234 yards with eight touchdowns and rushed 104 times for 607 yards.

As his sophomore campaign drew to a close, Michael had to decide whether he was going to stay and play, or move to the NFL, where it appeared he might be a first-round pick. This was not a simple decision. Young quarterbacks usually have to put in serious apprentice time in the pros for a reason: Coming out of college, they are almost invariably overwhelmed by the defenses thrown at them. Michael may have had all the confidence in the world, but he was still only reading half the field. An option quarterback going pro after just two seasons would be a leap of unprecedented proportions.

Michael is man who follows his instincts, and initially they told him to stay put for one more season. But when it became evident that he would be a Top 5 pick, he began to reconsider. A few weeks after the Sugar Bowl, he announced that he would forego his final two years at Blacksburg and enter the draft.

3. Vick was the first pick. VY is more NFL QB sized and had better stats than Vick did. It is not outrageous to think, (Texas heroics and Houston roots aside), that VY is a legit great first pick.

4. For all the people sore about putting so much money at the QB position, why is it any better to put a bunch of money on the RB position, especially having two similar style backs?

5. Just in case peeps aren't familiar with Vince's entire career to date, in depth, check this out:

Hard not to get excited reading this. (http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/pages/05.bios/young_vince.htm)

Yes, I am part of the hype machine because I really believe this would be the best thing for the franchise in the long term. We would have the coolest team in the league. Immediately.(The coolest team incidentally, that I think would be successful and fun to watch).

Tomorrow I am going to get some T-shirts printed up with "Draft VY" - I will support anything the Texans do with stuff, but I will grieve if we don't get him.

Oh please please please, draft VY.

Texans_Chick
01-06-2006, 06:23 PM
Let the cap experts worry about that :ok: from what I understand the cap figure is going up between 90-100 million next year from around 80 million this year. money will not be a concern with Vince on board & if he is proven ready sooner than later you have a bargining chip in Carr that some team might be willing to spend a #1 pick on if we are patient :pigfly:

Nice point. It will be interesting to see what happens with the salary cap in 2007--IIRC, they haven't figured that out yet in labor negotiations.

FWIW, I wrote John McClain about putting all that money in the QB position, as his position is that we should franchise Carr and taking VY, and this was his response:

The Texans can franchise Carr like Brees and he'd make $10 million or so for one year. Vince would learn as a rookie like Steve McNair and Carson Palmer. To play him as a rookie could be disastrous. Vince is going to get hit a lot by big boys in the NFL, not college guys who can't tackle. That's why he's got to become more of a pocket passer or one who rolls and slides right and left and throws, the way McNair developed. No running QB survives long in the NFL.

He's still raw as a passer, but his stock will never be higher, and this is the only chance he'll have to play for his hometown.

The cap won't be a problem for good agents.

dirty steve
01-06-2006, 06:37 PM
[QUOTE=Texans_Chick]Various and sundry thoughts:

1. Not a bandwagoner. I've always wanted VY as a Texan (see posts since October). Didn't think it could be possible. I've been trying to be OK about picking Bush because it seemed inevitable. But the stars have aligned to allow us to do this and we shouldn't fight it. The NFL gods have given us the perfect situation--the best player in the draft in a place where he really really wants to play. Don't mess with fate.QUOTE]


wow, way back three whole months ago--Ocotber 2005. i can smell the nostalgia.

those who aren't turncoats shouldn't need to say they aren't.

Texans_Chick
01-06-2006, 06:53 PM
[QUOTE=Texans_Chick]Various and sundry thoughts:

1. Not a bandwagoner. I've always wanted VY as a Texan (see posts since October). Didn't think it could be possible. I've been trying to be OK about picking Bush because it seemed inevitable. But the stars have aligned to allow us to do this and we shouldn't fight it. The NFL gods have given us the perfect situation--the best player in the draft in a place where he really really wants to play. Don't mess with fate.QUOTE]


wow, way back three whole months ago--Ocotber 2005. i can smell the nostalgia.

those who aren't turncoats shouldn't need to say they aren't.



Why would I be saying who we should draft before these players have even played much in 2005?? Or before we have a sense where we are going to draft?? Or when he is saying he is staying. I've thought he is a great player for a long time, but I think October is about the earliest I've posted on that subject.

And turncoats???? You said turncoats???? TURNCOATS???? I have to say that my original reaction to your post was giggling. What a cheesy word to use as it relates to a football draft.

Good thing we have the internets police to label fans turncoats and hypocrites and bandwagoners and whatever.

Of course, you ignore my more thoughtful point that the reason why the Rose Bowl is relevant is that it makes VY more sellable as a first pick and more likely that he comes out of the draft. The Vick analogy. The reason why this has become an issue this week.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of humor and ad hominem attacks are oft used when people don't have reason and logic and evidence and good sense to back up what they are saying.

It is quite possible to disagree with someone without being disagreeable.

Personally I like the MB when it focuses more on facts and logic and cool information and less on who is THE MOST BESTEST TRUEST FAN EVARRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

All that being said, GO TEXANS!!!!

:texflag:

dirty steve
01-06-2006, 07:12 PM
i guess i took out my sarcasm on the wrong person. it was really meant towards the "Vince in 2006" delegation in general. it was just frustrating how everybody turned around, almost instantaneously, to saying young is the savior. but before the Rose Bowl, Reggie Bush was said messiah.

i can see the excitement in bringing young here, but i just don't think it is the right fit right now.but if he comes in and lights it up, i'll have egg on my face.

it was also frustrating for people to say just because you don't want vince here that you hated him. like i said before, i love it when Houston guys get to come back (clyde-pettitte-rocket).

Huge
01-06-2006, 07:30 PM
So you want to have over $20 million of cap space tied into one position next year?
If they drafted Bush 1st overall, combined with Davis' new contract, how much would be tied up at that position?

tulexan
01-06-2006, 07:32 PM
Not $20 million because we aren't going to franchise Dominack Davis, and Bush won't get as big of a contract as Young. Bush will also play next year (multiple positions too) where Vince will sit.

Huge
01-06-2006, 07:36 PM
What was the difference (in dollars) between Alex Smith's and Ronnie Brown's contracts?

I'm willing to bet that Bush is going to want the farm...QB or not.

And why would the team have to franchise Carr? Don't they just need to pick up the option on his contract?

Double Barrel
01-06-2006, 07:40 PM
I'm interested in what our no. 1 pick is worth to other teams, to be honest.

Call me crazy, but a team that offers their no. 1/3 in 2006 and nos. 1/2 in 2007 drafts would get an immediate call back.

We're talking about building a team, not selling jerseys. Young might be the greatest prospect ever, it wouldn't surprise me. But I want results in 2006, and have absolutely no desire to wait until 2008 or beyond to see our first winning season.

With regards to the original post: I don't think the board is unintelligent. You've got a lot of emotional takes mixed in with cold-hard analysis, and from all walks of life. It's a communal bee-hive, and only reflects the mood of fans and the sign of the times. Calling people out for stating opinions is a bit low brow, IMO. Please refrain from blatant insults, if you can. :)

Texans_Chick
01-06-2006, 08:08 PM
I'm interested in what our no. 1 pick is worth to other teams, to be honest.

Call me crazy, but a team that offers their no. 1/3 in 2006 and nos. 1/2 in 2007 drafts would get an immediate call back.

We're talking about building a team, not selling jerseys. Young might be the greatest prospect ever, it wouldn't surprise me. But I want results in 2006, and have absolutely no desire to wait until 2008 or beyond to see our first winning season.

With regards to the original post: I don't think the board is unintelligent. You've got a lot of emotional takes mixed in with cold-hard analysis, and from all walks of life. It's a communal bee-hive, and only reflects the mood of fans and the sign of the times. Calling people out for stating opinions is a bit low brow, IMO. Please refrain from blatant insults, if you can. :)


As much as I love VY, I'd be willing to listen to deals. I'd like to be able to get some experienced good guys in a trade though along with picks. Our team is really young and it is hard for us to get FA to want to come here. (VY might change that dynamic if it becomes cool to play here, and not a place where you are risking being on a loser team, which is where we are at on the cool scale). I know winning fixes a lot of that but it is quite possible we could build "the right way" and not win.

And, I would like to add that "selling jerseys" does matter. Excitement does matter. Filling the stands does matter. Fans matter. They are a reason why there is something called home field advantage. And the strongest home field advantages in the league are the ones where the stands are filled. We know that Reliant can rock when its filled and cares.

A blathering aside......

I went to the Big 12 Championship game because I wanted to see in person VY play as a collegian. Reliant Stadium was the most amazing place that day. Everyone KNEW it was gonna be a blowout but they wanted to be there for it. And most stayed until the end. It was packed. With 99% of the fans cheering for the same team--a sea of burnt orange. And it was loud. And it was rowdy.

And I had a dream. Of seeing Reliant that crazed for a Texans playoff game. Everybody geared up. (pet peeve alert) Nobody showing up to games wearing green or purple or some other stupid color that isn't the easy to find in your closet red, white or blue.

And then a part of me dreamt that VY was wearing the Texans jersey and directing our team. Because he wanted to. He wanted to be the man, wasn't afraid of being the man, and was being THE MAN and then some. And just rocking that place. And even the club seats were rocking and full. Because folks wanted to see every snap because it was so exciting to watch.

A girl can dream, can't she?:texflag:

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 10:06 PM
Nice point. It will be interesting to see what happens with the salary cap in 2007--IIRC, they haven't figured that out yet in labor negotiations.

FWIW, I wrote John McClain about putting all that money in the QB position, as his position is that we should franchise Carr and taking VY, and this was his response:

The Texans can franchise Carr like Brees and he'd make $10 million or so for one year. Vince would learn as a rookie like Steve McNair and Carson Palmer. To play him as a rookie could be disastrous. Vince is going to get hit a lot by big boys in the NFL, not college guys who can't tackle. That's why he's got to become more of a pocket passer or one who rolls and slides right and left and throws, the way McNair developed. No running QB survives long in the NFL.

He's still raw as a passer, but his stock will never be higher, and this is the only chance he'll have to play for his hometown.

The cap won't be a problem for good agents.

It is our cap and our responibility to manage the cap, not the agents. The moment we defer our cap to another party the less likely we will see a playoff game at home in our lifetime.

cadahnic
01-06-2006, 10:37 PM
Let the cap experts worry about that :ok: from what I understand the cap figure is going up between 90-100 million next year from around 80 million this year. money will not be a concern with Vince on board & if he is proven ready sooner than later you have a bargining chip in Carr that some team might be willing to spend a #1 pick on if we are patient :pigfly:

Wow, this post is just horrible allround.

Nice point. It will be interesting to see what happens with the salary cap in 2007--IIRC, they haven't figured that out yet in labor negotiations.

FWIW, I wrote John McClain about putting all that money in the QB position, as his position is that we should franchise Carr and taking VY, and this was his response:

The Texans can franchise Carr like Brees and he'd make $10 million or so for one year. Vince would learn as a rookie like Steve McNair and Carson Palmer. To play him as a rookie could be disastrous. Vince is going to get hit a lot by big boys in the NFL, not college guys who can't tackle. That's why he's got to become more of a pocket passer or one who rolls and slides right and left and throws, the way McNair developed. No running QB survives long in the NFL.

He's still raw as a passer, but his stock will never be higher, and this is the only chance he'll have to play for his hometown.

The cap won't be a problem for good agents.

1) John McClain is about as far from a football expert as you can get.

2) The statement I bolded is the exact reason why there is not point in drafting Vince Young. Running QBs don't survive very long in the NFL, and anyone who thinks that Vince Young will be a better pocket passer than David Carr can be is foolish. I also don't care about this being his only chance to play in his home town, I care about this team doing what is best for it, not bringing on a scrambling QB that can't throw the ball anywhere near as well as our current QB and then trying to turn the scrambler into a pocket QB and think he's going to be a star at it. Good agents aren't concerned about keeping a team under the saslary cap, they're concerned about getting as much money as possible for their clients and in turn getting themselves as much money as they can.