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HeartofHouston
01-06-2006, 06:29 AM
its alot of people around the board that hop from bandwagon to bandwagon... one minute it's Draft Bush... then the next minute it's draft Young.. The sad part is that people see Bush's name and they expect to see a TD every time that he touches the ball but that's not the case.. while he glides like superman, runs like superman and jukes like superman.. he IS NOT Superman!

But what Bush is, is an amazing running back, now some people are gonna sit here and say, well he hasnt played against any good defenses till Texas and look at what Texas did to him.. well let's look at the stats...

Reggie Bush
13 Rushes 82 Yards 6.3 Avg 1TD 6Rec 95Yards 15.8avg

I know some of you are saying...
(picks his nose) "Only 82 Yards Rushing durrrhhh what's up with that??"

:penalty:
Flag on the play.. too many people being stupid on the board..

Well take your finger outta your nose and listen to this.. I'll say a good average for a HB in college is lets say.. 5.0 yards per carry.. (and that's being generous).. Reggie Bush still had a better average than probably every RB in the nation. LenDale White was murdering Texas's Defense and Bush still had a better ypc than him too..

And people wanna talk about how sick Texas's defense is.. and how well they did again Bush well let's pull up some more stats shall we..

vs Oregon, Washington St and Cal..
Reggie Bush's avg yards per carry was less than it was at Texas.. so I guess that means that all those teams have a better defense than Texas. Cal held Bush to only 82 yards, at 4.8 a carry with no TDs.. so they performed wayyyy better than Texas's defense..

I'm saying all that to say this, people are so built on the next hot or the next popular thing that they dont realize what's right in their face.. first it's lienart, then it's bush then it's the young bandwagon.. it's all about what's hot and it doesnt make any sense to me cause bush still had a very very good day (minus that absolutley mind-blowingly-dumb lateral) by my standards. 6.3 yards a carry and almost 100 receiving on a defense that "shut" him down.. i dont think so.. Bush still had a solid performance and I would still take Bush over Young anyday.. and when i continue on you will see why..

Now on to Young.. it seems to be a lotta followers of young all of a sudden and i'm not surprised about that. now dont get me wrong i like they way he played in the championship game 260+ passing and 200+ rushing, no Ints.. he had one of those games that you would have to be lucky to even dream about.

But if you stop and look at it.. USC defense is absolutely trash-a-rific.. they give up.. 227 passing yrds per game... schools like.. Nothern Illinios, Florida International, Cincy, UAB, Wyoming and Indiana give up less yards than USC in the air and rushing defense is a lil better but they are not even top 25 rushing defense. So all in all he's not really playing against a good defense a all.. so to have the day that he had.. it shouldnt have even been a problem at all. Beside Darnell Bing name 1 guy from USC defense that could be taken on day 1.. Frostee Rucker is the closet they got and he's a 4th or 5th rounder at best.

Oh and by the way that option-zone-read that Mack Brown has been babying Vince Young with to protect him all these years.. guess what?? they dont do that crap in the Big league.. cause DEs like Rucker, Peppers, Freeney, Abrahamn, Rice, J. Taylor, Strahan and Ogunleye dont play that mess they will put you to sleep if they get a clean shot at you..

So that little shotgun-zone-read-option crap, that's made Vince Young the "Winner" that he is, that Mack Brown calls 70% of the time.. is gonna be out of the question on the next level then what happens next Young??

To be perfectly honest.. he's not that quick.. Mike Vick is quicker than Young, and with Young's long lanky legs it's not gonna be the pansies from USC's defense grabbing air, it's gonna be Ray Lewis, and Vilma, Peterson, Zach Thomas, Shawn Merriman, Keith Bullock, Andra Davis and Derrick Brooks taking shots at Vince's fraile little body and he's gonna mess around and get his lil legs broke trying to perform one of those weak juke moves that got him pass that pop warner USC defense.

So all you bandwagon hopers that went from "DRAFT THE PREZ" To.. "DRAFT THE IN-VINCE-IBLE" I'll be sitting back with my Bush jersey on watching him run all over the NFL field while you Young fans'll be seeing Young carried on a stretcher because Brian Urlacher or Donovan Darious was spying on Young and put a pop on him that folded him like laundry.

cause without his zone-read-option.. Young runs for 8.4 yrds less and when he drops back his accuracy drops from a beautiful 76% to a very ugly 53%.. so good luck with that stuff in the NFL Vince.. Oh and when you get to the NFL Tell Dwight Freeney and John Abraham I said hello when you run into em...

ROFLMAO..

:tv:

Grid
01-06-2006, 06:43 AM
very nice post... id hug you if we met in person.

Im guilty of some bandwagoning.. but its more bandwagon hogging than jumping :)... I dont leave my current bandwagon..I just slip a leg over into the other bandwagon and see if I like it feels like a smoother ride in that one :) hehe.

After the game.. Vince impressed me enough to consider if we should use the 1st pick on him.. didnt last long though because, well.. for all the reasons you went over.. plus Carr's unused potential.

So then I looked at Reggies performance in the game and I thought to myself "eh.. maybe I dont want to ride in a bandwagon".. so I jumped off to the Trade down scenario and gave that a thought for a while.

In the end.. a friend of mine set me straight about Bush. See, what bothered me about him was his constant attempts to get around the corner and hit the sideline.. that doesnt work in the NFL. Not to mention, Bush just really isnt that fast when he isnt running north and south, but when he IS running north and south he is FAST. A friend of mine reminded me that Bush is still a college player, and will refine his running style in the NFL.. and he had me imagine Bush getting the Ball and going straight for the hole.... and it really drove it home for me. How useful his speed could be once he learns how an NFL back does things... and then there is his ability to catch the ball and pick up big yardage.

So.. im chasing that Bush bandwagon again.. but now, im a little more wary of it.. I still think that the right deal on a trade down could be a good move for us.



But yah.. im a bandwagoner when it comes to stuff like this. I try and remain open minded and more often than not, that leads to me having my opinion swayed by whoever makes the best point :).. in the end all I want is what is best for the team though, and I know that, for us, Vince Young isnt what is best for the team. Hometown prospect or not.

Anyway.. thanks for the great post.

HeartofHouston
01-06-2006, 06:52 AM
youre right it did upset with with his constant attempts to go straight for the side line on plays design to run up the middle but as you stated.. imagine what he could do if you ust takes it north and south into the hole..

but NFL RB mentality cant completely be achieved by a junior in college i say with a HC like Gary Kubiak and his proven track record of 1000 yard rushers he can get Bush pointed in the right direction..

HomeBred_Texan
01-06-2006, 07:39 AM
I am the same as you. I am not sold on Vince yet either. I hope he stays another year in school and gets the education first. Will make things allot easier for us....

J-Storm
01-06-2006, 07:49 AM
I'm still not sold on either Mr Young or Mr Bush. I'd still be sold on trading down though and jumping back aboard that bandwagon after the Rose Bowl (not that I ever really left it...and as small as it appears to be around here).

Are Mr Young and Mr Bush both talented? Hell Yeah they are. Are there other talented people in the draft list? Hell Yeah there will be. Therefore I'll stick with more talent for the same amount of cash (though if Mr Young or Mr Bush are drafted, I'll live with it... as long as it brings the results)...

Janus3
01-06-2006, 08:07 AM
agreed, not sold on vince. he is NOT able to play under center and too many of his plays are designed in the spread offense (alex smith anyone?) which the NFL rarely runs. you can't play shotgun every down in the nfl and you can have fake handoffs. the game will catch up to vince.

HeartofHouston
01-06-2006, 01:27 PM
thank you very much.. I'm glad that there are some people who can see pass the VY hype and open their eyes..

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 01:29 PM
thank you very much.. I'm glad that there are some people who can see pass the VY hype and open their eyes..

There are plenty on this board that are above the Young and Bush hype.

Double Barrel
01-06-2006, 01:39 PM
I'm up in the air, to be honest. I see valid points to be made on with every angle.

My concern is our o-line. The 2005 2-14 Texans offense would make Bush or Young look like the NFL rookies that they'll be. NOBODY would find much success behind the pathetic unit we saw last season.

So if a team makes an offer we can't refuse for our no. 1 pick, we have to consider it. And there will be some offers, no doubt about it.

With regards to the Young vs. Bush debate: I see major rebuilding if we get Young. No matter how good of a college player he is/was, and regardless of his potential, he'll still be a rookie in the NFL. And being that QB is the most important position on offense, give the rebuild a good 2-3 years before finding any measure of success.

If you were adding Young to an already established offense, things would be different. But we're talking about an o-line that has given up well over 200+ sacks in a mere 4 seasons. That's just pathetic.

I think Bush is more of a quick fix to get us running. He adds a dimension to help AJ get free, another playmaker that could impact in his first year. Of course, success hinges on improving our o-line. But given that fact, and assuming it is addressed accordingly, Bush could add some wrinkles by taking the assumed double-team off of AJ. Let him platoon HB with DD, and mix him as a slot receiver, and we could be putting up some consistent points as soon as the 2006 season.

BigBull17
01-06-2006, 01:39 PM
I agree about the hype machine but I dont see how they can trade the first pick. The team needs a player like Reggie Bush to put people in the seats and attract more players to sign with our team for less than a kings ransom. It would help DD and Dre at the same time and give us another deep threat at WR and a spell back.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 01:40 PM
I agree about the hype machine but I dont see how they can trade the first pick. The team needs a player like Reggie Bush to put people in the seats and attract more players to sign with our team for less than a kings ransom. It would help DD and Dre at the same time and give us another deep threat at WR and a spell back.

The Houston media needs Bush or Young, the team does not.

Huge
01-06-2006, 04:49 PM
its alot of people around the board that hop from bandwagon to bandwagon... one minute it's Draft Bush... then the next minute it's draft Young.. The sad part is that people see Bush's name and they expect to see a TD every time that he touches the ball but that's not the case.. while he glides like superman, runs like superman and jukes like superman.. he IS NOT Superman!

But what Bush is, is an amazing running back, now some people are gonna sit here and say, well he hasnt played against any good defenses till Texas and look at what Texas did to him.. well let's look at the stats...

Reggie Bush
13 Rushes 82 Yards 6.3 Avg 1TD 6Rec 95Yards 15.8avg

I know some of you are saying...
(picks his nose) "Only 82 Yards Rushing durrrhhh what's up with that??"

:penalty:
Flag on the play.. too many people being stupid on the board..

Well take your finger outta your nose and listen to this.. I'll say a good average for a HB in college is lets say.. 5.0 yards per carry.. (and that's being generous).. Reggie Bush still had a better average than probably every RB in the nation. LenDale White was murdering Texas's Defense and Bush still had a better ypc than him too..

And people wanna talk about how sick Texas's defense is.. and how well they did again Bush well let's pull up some more stats shall we..

vs Oregon, Washington St and Cal..
Reggie Bush's avg yards per carry was less than it was at Texas.. so I guess that means that all those teams have a better defense than Texas. Cal held Bush to only 82 yards, at 4.8 a carry with no TDs.. so they performed wayyyy better than Texas's defense..

I'm saying all that to say this, people are so built on the next hot or the next popular thing that they dont realize what's right in their face.. first it's lienart, then it's bush then it's the young bandwagon.. it's all about what's hot and it doesnt make any sense to me cause bush still had a very very good day (minus that absolutley mind-blowingly-dumb lateral) by my standards. 6.3 yards a carry and almost 100 receiving on a defense that "shut" him down.. i dont think so.. Bush still had a solid performance and I would still take Bush over Young anyday.. and when i continue on you will see why..

Now on to Young.. it seems to be a lotta followers of young all of a sudden and i'm not surprised about that. now dont get me wrong i like they way he played in the championship game 260+ passing and 200+ rushing, no Ints.. he had one of those games that you would have to be lucky to even dream about.

But if you stop and look at it.. USC defense is absolutely trash-a-rific.. they give up.. 227 passing yrds per game... schools like.. Nothern Illinios, Florida International, Cincy, UAB, Wyoming and Indiana give up less yards than USC in the air and rushing defense is a lil better but they are not even top 25 rushing defense. So all in all he's not really playing against a good defense a all.. so to have the day that he had.. it shouldnt have even been a problem at all. Beside Darnell Bing name 1 guy from USC defense that could be taken on day 1.. Frostee Rucker is the closet they got and he's a 4th or 5th rounder at best.

Oh and by the way that option-zone-read that Mack Brown has been babying Vince Young with to protect him all these years.. guess what?? they dont do that crap in the Big league.. cause DEs like Rucker, Peppers, Freeney, Abrahamn, Rice, J. Taylor, Strahan and Ogunleye dont play that mess they will put you to sleep if they get a clean shot at you..

So that little shotgun-zone-read-option crap, that's made Vince Young the "Winner" that he is, that Mack Brown calls 70% of the time.. is gonna be out of the question on the next level then what happens next Young??

To be perfectly honest.. he's not that quick.. Mike Vick is quicker than Young, and with Young's long lanky legs it's not gonna be the pansies from USC's defense grabbing air, it's gonna be Ray Lewis, and Vilma, Peterson, Zach Thomas, Shawn Merriman, Keith Bullock, Andra Davis and Derrick Brooks taking shots at Vince's fraile little body and he's gonna mess around and get his lil legs broke trying to perform one of those weak juke moves that got him pass that pop warner USC defense.

So all you bandwagon hopers that went from "DRAFT THE PREZ" To.. "DRAFT THE IN-VINCE-IBLE" I'll be sitting back with my Bush jersey on watching him run all over the NFL field while you Young fans'll be seeing Young carried on a stretcher because Brian Urlacher or Donovan Darious was spying on Young and put a pop on him that folded him like laundry.

cause without his zone-read-option.. Young runs for 8.4 yrds less and when he drops back his accuracy drops from a beautiful 76% to a very ugly 53%.. so good luck with that stuff in the NFL Vince.. Oh and when you get to the NFL Tell Dwight Freeney and John Abraham I said hello when you run into em...

ROFLMAO..

:tv:
You spent all that time on a lame *** post like that?

New_Texans
01-07-2006, 01:14 PM
Love Young Draft Bush 06'

RTP2110
01-07-2006, 01:36 PM
Nice post HoH. As much as I love the Longhorns and Young, I don't think he is the answer for the Texans.

HeartofHouston
01-07-2006, 01:38 PM
Thank You RTP..

Young is a Awesome College QB but i'll just leave it at that..

Janus3
01-07-2006, 03:56 PM
i think matt leinart and jay cutler are both better nfl qb's than young.

HeartofHouston
01-08-2006, 12:09 AM
thank you and you could prolly throw.. omar jacobs and drew olson in that group if you ask me..

kbourda
01-08-2006, 03:22 AM
Amazing. I don't see where all this spell doom and gloom on VY comes from.

Janus3
01-08-2006, 04:38 AM
Amazing. I don't see where all this spell doom and gloom on VY comes from.

the fact that he has close to ZERO experience in offenses that are run in the NFL. NEWS FLASH: NFL QB's play under center. VY doesn't. he's in shot gun 90% of the time if not more. NFL qb's go into shotgun NORMALLY on 3rd and long or 4th and long, which, get this, isn't all the time.

BKW_75
01-08-2006, 12:09 PM
Bush has a good average because of 1 or 2 HUGE plays during a game. He gets those big plays against sorry college defensive schemes. His big play game will not translate into anything in the NFL. His avg will be less than 3 yds/carry. Watch it. It's just too bad I'll have to watch it with my home team. Bush is so overrated it's almost funny. He is going to alienate the only good players we have. Our running game is actually decent, even behind an awful O-Line. Our return game is great. Where will Bush fit in? Who will take a back seat to watch him fail? If speed were all that mattered in the NFL, we wouldn't have the first pick!

kbourda
01-08-2006, 04:48 PM
the fact that he has close to ZERO experience in offenses that are run in the NFL. NEWS FLASH: NFL QB's play under center. VY doesn't. he's in shot gun 90% of the time if not more. NFL qb's go into shotgun NORMALLY on 3rd and long or 4th and long, which, get this, isn't all the time.

Well NEWS FLASH: Do you really think VY is incapable of LEARNING? Hey, give the man respect. All he's done in his career thus far is proving doubters, like yourself, wrong. When will anyone just flat out say just maybe he might just be................ Good. I know, heaven forbid anyone say anything good about the guy.

disaacks3
01-08-2006, 05:53 PM
Well NEWS FLASH: Do you really think VY is incapable of LEARNING? Hey, give the man respect. All he's done in his career thus far is proving doubters, like yourself, wrong. When will anyone just flat out say just maybe he might just be................ Good. I know, heaven forbid anyone say anything good about the guy. VY may very well be an excellent NFL QB when all is said & done. Anybody expecting greatness from him in his 1st season in the NFL, when he's not 'well-acquainted' with an NFL-style offense is being more hopeful than realistic.

It's far easier to plug in a new RB, than a new QB, it just is. Recent history has shown that being a mobile QB is a good thing, but only if you can take care of business from the pocket FIRST. Take a good look at how many Pro-Bowl-Level QBs have gotten hurt recently, despite having "quick feet".

For every Michael Vick, Dan Marino, John Elway, there's just as many Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington & Tim Couch-type players out there.

Carr was a "sure thing" too, remember? Do we give up on the #1 Overall from 2002 already?

Janus3
01-08-2006, 05:54 PM
Well NEWS FLASH: Do you really think VY is incapable of LEARNING? Hey, give the man respect. All he's done in his career thus far is proving doubters, like yourself, wrong. When will anyone just flat out say just maybe he might just be................ Good. I know, heaven forbid anyone say anything good about the guy.

nah he hasn't proven me wrong, he is a great athlete, just not a good QB.

HeartofHouston
01-08-2006, 06:41 PM
okay 1st to the guy, who said that bush got his yards from 1 or 2 big plays.. OKAY AND.... is that all you have to say??..

regarless if he got 40 yards on 1 carry and 42 on the other 12 carries.. that means that he made the Texas defense look real bad for that play like he does every team. how do you explain the 95 yards recieving on the "Amazing" texas defense??

Come on now..

so anyway, back to a real debate.. like someone stated Young doesnt take plays from under the center. all that shotgun option mess is outta the question.. so that means that Young is gonna take at least 3 years to even get into the "NFL Offense" grove.. how long will it take Reggie Bush to learn how to room up the right hole... wait 5 games at the most.. I will be the first to admit that he bounce plays outside too much but that's alot easier to rectify than.. flat out learning how to play a REAL OFFENSE..

So as stated earlier, it's much easier to plug in a great running back into a NFL offense when his teams runs an NFL Style Offense then it would be to plug in a "Athlete" at QB into a NFL Offense that has NEVER run a NFL offense..

groutfulone
01-08-2006, 07:00 PM
To be perfectly honest.. he's not that quick.. Mike Vick is quicker than Young,

This is exactly why some of you jokers who don't want Young don't understand why it would be such a mistake to not draft him.
Michael Vick is 5'10" (NFL lists him as 6'0"); either way, he is small and Vince Young IS as fast and quick as Vick and is 6'5" and already a better passer than Vick is now. By the way they both run 40's in the 4.4 range. And Young was the highest rated passer in division 1 this year, has excellent touch and accuracy.
Yes, some of the big ends will get there licks if they can catch him; but remember he is eye to eye with those guys and will probably weigh 245 within a year or two. Farve is only 6'2" 215 and can take their shots. Just ask the defensive lineman for USC (can't remember which one) who glumly said to some reporters after the game that he just wasn't prepared for how big and how fast he was no matter what anyone had said or told him before and that he had never stood eye to eye with a quarterback who was as big as himself.

Young is the best college quarter back in the history of football. If a pro coach can't create an offense for him then they are not worthy of coaching at the highest level of the sport.

HeartofHouston
01-08-2006, 08:53 PM
Its not that Coaches cant make a offense for him.. its that d-coordinators are smarter than that zone read option crap.

and oh by the way.. i've seen vince young in person... personally the dude is tall and lanky.. easily breakable.. TRUST ME.. a very very fraile frame when they say big all they are talking about is his height cause he's not big (mass wise)

Goldeagle
01-08-2006, 09:14 PM
Bush for all the HYPE people put on this board was pretty pathetic in his play against a college defense. We want the 2nd best Running Back on USC, greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat!

Tale Gator
01-08-2006, 09:28 PM
This is exactly why some of you jokers who don't want Young don't understand why it would be such a mistake to not draft him...

Vick = quick --- Young = fast

Vick is much quicker than Young through the first 10 to 20 yards ~ YY's speed makes up the final 20 yards of the 40 giving them A similar time. In the pocket Vick is much quicker (all the stop and go).

You would really see the speed difference if you extended the race out to a 100 ~ when Young gets into his full stride -- watch out.

Young's weight will fill out as he heads into his mid-twenties -- about 240 (IMO).

All of this is just so much fluff anyways -- DRAFT YOUNG. :redtowel:

MorKnolle
01-08-2006, 10:28 PM
This is exactly why some of you jokers who don't want Young don't understand why it would be such a mistake to not draft him.
Michael Vick is 5'10" (NFL lists him as 6'0"); either way, he is small and Vince Young IS as fast and quick as Vick and is 6'5" and already a better passer than Vick is now. By the way they both run 40's in the 4.4 range. And Young was the highest rated passer in division 1 this year, has excellent touch and accuracy.
Yes, some of the big ends will get there licks if they can catch him; but remember he is eye to eye with those guys and will probably weigh 245 within a year or two. Farve is only 6'2" 215 and can take their shots. Just ask the defensive lineman for USC (can't remember which one) who glumly said to some reporters after the game that he just wasn't prepared for how big and how fast he was no matter what anyone had said or told him before and that he had never stood eye to eye with a quarterback who was as big as himself.

Young is the best college quarter back in the history of football. If a pro coach can't create an offense for him then they are not worthy of coaching at the highest level of the sport.

Michael Vick is not only 5'10", and if so then Vince Young is probably not really 6'5" either, and Vince's complete side-arm delivery negates some of his superior height. Vince is not as fast as Michael Vick (top speed might be pretty close), but Vick is much quicker. Vince Young was the 3rd highest rated passer this year, and if you configure those ratings on an NFL scale he is #8 just out of the top 10 college QBs. Vince is pretty accurate up to about 20-25 yards downfield, and he does have pretty decent field vision, although he is generally playing against a bunch of zones that will not be anywhere near as easy to exploit in the NFL, plus he has an OLine of all NFL talent right now going against college (some will make NFL) DLinemen. Vince has a tendency to loft passes a lot too, and many of those will be picked off in the NFL. Vince will probably gain about 10 lbs. once he gets into the league, but anything after that is going to start slowing him down pretty significantly. Vince Young should be a very good NFL QB, but he needs a lot of work, and to say he is the best QB in the history of football automatically disqualifies anything you say as being legitimate.

TreWardTxn
01-13-2006, 04:17 AM
youre right it did upset with with his constant attempts to go straight for the side line on plays design to run up the middle but as you stated.. imagine what he could do if you ust takes it north and south into the hole..

but NFL RB mentality cant completely be achieved by a junior in college i say with a HC like Gary Kubiak and his proven track record of 1000 yard rushers he can get Bush pointed in the right direction..

Hitting holes and getting upfield is about desire and instinct; you can't teach a back that. If a guy is the type of dude who wants to hit the sideline and dance around in the backfield, 9 out of 10 times thats what you are gonna get from him...no exceptions.

TreWardTxn
01-13-2006, 04:25 AM
Its not that Coaches cant make a offense for him.. its that d-coordinators are smarter than that zone read option crap.

and oh by the way.. i've seen vince young in person... personally the dude is tall and lanky.. easily breakable.. TRUST ME.. a very very fraile frame when they say big all they are talking about is his height cause he's not big (mass wise)

Know I we know you just hatin, dude is tall, but he ain't no string bean; and frankly, it doesn't matter what you think about how imposing his physical stature is, breakin tackles is about balance, and dude has proven he can do that at every level. If I've seen Tom Brady skinny self shake off a defender then there ain't no question Vince can do that and more. Whether you want him or not, you got to concede on this...

HeartofHouston
01-13-2006, 04:44 AM
Hitting holes and getting upfield is about desire and instinct; you can't teach a back that. If a guy is the type of dude who wants to hit the sideline and dance around in the backfield, 9 out of 10 times thats what you are gonna get from him...no exceptions.

That is a false statement you can teach anybody anything... IF they are willing to learn.

Know I we know you just hatin, dude is tall, but he ain't no string bean; and frankly, it doesn't matter what you think about how imposing his physical stature is, breakin tackles is about balance, and dude has proven he can do that at every level. If I've seen Tom Brady skinny self shake off a defender then there ain't no question Vince can do that and more. Whether you want him or not, you got to concede on this...

Okay say what you want man... but Young is NOT gonna make a good NFL QB.. He's not even realy 6'5 or 6'6 like the announcers says that he is.. I'd give him more like 6'3 and if he picks up weight its more than likely that he is gonna get slower.. so what happens when a scrambling with not much "NFL Offense Passing Ability" when he gets slower...

I'm not hating homie i'm just stating the facts.. he's not as big and as fast as people think i've met him and play basketball with him.. nothing special to me.. But if you think i'm hating then whatever.. I just know NFL promise and i just dont see it in Vince..

LBC_Justin
01-13-2006, 04:51 AM
I think we have a lot of great options in this draft but this is why I am leaning towards Reggie Bush:

He will give us a two-headed monster running game. We will have one great and one very good running back is the back field. Bush taking 1/2 the carries will mean that DD is less tired and less likely to get injured. Also, we won't burn out Bush and force him to carry the entire load.

Bush can fill the void as the #2 reciever that we need so badly. He has great hands and Carr loves to dump the ball of to his running back. Just think now everytime he dumps it off there is a much higher shot at scoring a TD or getting the big play.

He makes our Punt, Kicking game even more dangerous. Kickers will have three options, Bush, Mathis or kick it short. Either way we can look forward to getting good field postion. Every year we have several close games and field postion often decides who wins and who loses those games.

He takes some of the heat off the O-line. A good running back must be accounted for. That means less defenders in coverage, or coverage that is on their heals to cover the run.

A good running game moves the chains and eats up the clock. As long as those chains are moving and that clock is getting eaten up, our defense is getting rested, and we have a better chance of winning. (I don't think our defense will mind if he breaks an 80 yard for a TD and they only get a short break. LOL)

OH MAN, OH MAN - I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DRAFT!!!

I will support who ever we chose to draft!!!!!

:redtowel: GO TEXANS :redtowel:

Hook'EM HORNS!!!!

Trogdor014
01-13-2006, 05:52 AM
He's not even realy 6'5 or 6'6 like the announcers says that he is.. I'd give him more like 6'3 and if he picks up weight its more than likely that he is gonna get slower..

HOH, seriously, I think you are starting to make **** up now. I currently attend UT and have talked to Vince Young on numerous occassions around JCL (Jester City Limits) in the past. He is at least 6'5, no matter how much you try to refute it. I'm 5'11 and he is at least 6-7 inches taller than me. I mean I barely go up to the guy's chin.

I know you are trying to strengthen your case for Bush by bashing everything about Vince, but it makes you look stupid when you throw out false, foolish statements.



Now, I do agree with you that Bush is a better choice for our franchise, although I feel he is pretty overrated, too (Thank you for that ESPN for your month long love fest of Reggie Bush). I think he is undersized (although he could add some weight) and his speed won't be as big a factor in the NFL as it was against poor college defenses like Fresno State or UCLA. What did he ever do against a GREAT college defense? And no, I wouldn't call Texas a good defense either. Even as a Longhorn, I feel Texas had an overrated defense. We gave up about 200 rushing yards to Oklahoma State's Mike Hamilton and let the a freshman QB (Stephen McGee) tear us a new one.

Now, If used properly I do think Bush could cause some problems to NFL defenses (If lined up in the slot or used out of the backfield as a receiver against a LB). I just wouldn't expect 20-25 carries and 200 yards from him. Maybe about 15 total touches (carries and receptions) a game for about 85-100 total yards.

I feel Young has more potential of the two (at either QB or WR) and can impact the game on a more consistent basis (since he will be a QB), but it will take longer to maximize it and we can't wait 3-4 years to develop it. I feel he is a good fit for the Titans.

Though I loved him as a college QB at Texas, he has major flaws with his mechanics and he will need to learn to play under center to succeed in the NFL. Those are things that can be learned with time and practice, but they will just have to be learned for another team.

In summary, neither has proved a thing in the NFL yet. I think they both are currently overrated thanks to the media, but I feel Bush is a better choice of the two for OUR team. I wouldn't be at all opposed to trading down though.

eclem5
01-13-2006, 08:51 AM
People started to talk about VY after he declared, Did you see the game, can you see the future? Does Carr have the tools or potential of VY, besides this is a business he's Shell shocked. Dominic Davis isn't Garbage. In 4 Years when VY is killing Us with the Titans would you comeback and admit you were wrong,If he's a bust I would

LBC_Justin
01-13-2006, 10:55 AM
P.S. A lot of people keep saying on this board that for every Manning there is a Leaf and it sounds like they are saying that RB is a "safer" pick. Well, does anyone remember those "Can't miss RBs" KiJana Carter and Rashaan Salaam? What do those guys do now anyways?
Ki-Jana Carter was not known as a "can't miss" prospect and was hardly called a "player of a generation". His career was ended by injury, not lack of talent.

Rashaan Salaam, yeah he won the Heisman but he was hardly considered a top pick that busted, i mean he was the 21st overall pick in that years draft, He was the 5th RB taken in that year's draft class. People obviously spotted issues with him early or 4 running backs would not have been taken before him. Heisman winner - yes, big time talent - no.

Here are the other Heisman winning RBs from the last 30 years. I'd take my chances at RB, considering how the guys on this list turned out.
Ricky Williams
Eddie George
Barry Sanders
Bo Jackson
Mike Rozier
Herschel Walker
Marcus Allen
George Rogers
Charles White
Billy Sims
Earl Campbell
Tony Dorsett

TexansTrue#1Fan
01-13-2006, 12:01 PM
the fact that he has close to ZERO experience in offenses that are run in the NFL. NEWS FLASH: NFL QB's play under center. VY doesn't. he's in shot gun 90% of the time if not more. NFL qb's go into shotgun NORMALLY on 3rd and long or 4th and long, which, get this, isn't all the time.
Guess you don't remember Warran Moon and the Houston Oilers Run and shoot offence. Just because majority of qb's play under center doesn't mean that we should follow. Like bush, everyone is claming that he is the answer because of his highlights, but he's not we need a LT. If we keep Carr, Ferguson is the best selection, trade with the Jets get more picks and select Ferguson.

El Amigo Invisible
04-18-2006, 12:44 AM
Guess you don't remember Warran Moon and the Houston Oilers Run and shoot offence. Just because majority of qb's play under center doesn't mean that we should follow. Like bush, everyone is claming that he is the answer because of his highlights, but he's not we need a LT. If we keep Carr, Ferguson is the best selection, trade with the Jets get more picks and select Ferguson.

I just want you to remember Carr running for negative yards instead of going forward. Yeah it was the O-lines fault.He will be great for another team .

trutxn
04-19-2006, 06:44 PM
its alot of people around the board that hop from bandwagon to bandwagon... one minute it's Draft Bush... then the next minute it's draft Young.. The sad part is that people see Bush's name and they expect to see a TD every time that he touches the ball but that's not the case.. while he glides like superman, runs like superman and jukes like superman.. he IS NOT Superman!

But what Bush is, is an amazing running back, now some people are gonna sit here and say, well he hasnt played against any good defenses till Texas and look at what Texas did to him.. well let's look at the stats...

Flag on the play.. too many people being stupid on the board..

Now on to Young.. it seems to be a lotta followers of young all of a sudden and i'm not surprised about that. now dont get me wrong i like they way he played in the championship game 260+ passing and 200+ rushing, no Ints.. he had one of those games that you would have to be lucky to even dream about.

So that little shotgun-zone-read-option crap, that's made Vince Young the "Winner" that he is, that Mack Brown calls 70% of the time.. is gonna be out of the question on the next level then what happens next Young??

To be perfectly honest.. he's not that quick.. Mike Vick is quicker than Young, and with Young's long lanky legs it's not gonna be the pansies from USC's defense grabbing air.

cause without his zone-read-option.. Young runs for 8.4 yrds less and when he drops back his accuracy drops from a beautiful 76% to a very ugly 53%.. so good luck with that stuff in the NFL Vince.

:tv:

First of all Reggie may get the ball 10-15 times a game, Vince will get it every play.

Second, Vince only played into the fourth quarter of 3 games last year due to blowouts (Removed at the half in most games). Vince still led the nation in pass efficiency, threw 3,000 yds, and ran 1,000 yds, which in the history of college football has never been done. So when people say he only had one good game, CHECK THE STATS!

Third, UT took advantage of Vince's skills by putting him in the shotgun. Why aren't you degrading Bush, because USC had to make special game plans to get him involved? If Houston drafted either one of them, they would both have the offense formed to maximize their abilities. Just so you know, they game plan for all great players. Don't think Bush will hit the edges like he did in college, remember those same players that are supposedly going to break Vince's legs will also be chasing Reggie.

Fourth, there has never been any player in the league that Vince can be compared to, that is what scares teams away. Vick is more comparable to Reggie than he is Vince.

Before people judge one or the other, they should learn the game of football first. Not only by reading about it in chatrooms and magazines, but by playing. Any real football player knows that both Reggie and Vince are very unique players on the same level. The only difference is that Vince will have the ball in his hands when it is crunch time, not matter what. As seen, we don't know if Reggie will even be on the field.

trutxn
04-19-2006, 06:48 PM
There is no comparison between Vick and Vince! You would be better off comparing Vick and Reggie Bush.

kastofsna
04-19-2006, 06:51 PM
it IS unfair to compare vince to vick. vick's a better runner and had a better QB rating in college. clearly the better prospect.

Trap_Star
04-19-2006, 06:55 PM
First of all Reggie may get the ball 10-15 times a game, Vince will get it every play.

Second, Vince only played into the fourth quarter of 3 games last year due to blowouts (Removed at the half in most games). Vince still led the nation in pass efficiency, threw 3,000 yds, and ran 1,000 yds, which in the history of college football has never been done. So when people say he only had one good game, CHECK THE STATS!

Third, UT took advantage of Vince's skills by putting him in the shotgun. Why aren't you degrading Bush, because USC had to make special game plans to get him involved? If Houston drafted either one of them, they would both have the offense formed to maximize their abilities. Just so you know, they game plan for all great players. Don't think Bush will hit the edges like he did in college, remember those same players that are supposedly going to break Vince's legs will also be chasing Reggie.

Fourth, there has never been any player in the league that Vince can be compared to, that is what scares teams away. Vick is more comparable to Reggie than he is Vince.

Before people judge one or the other, they should learn the game of football first. Not only by reading about it in chatrooms and magazines, but by playing. Any real football player knows that both Reggie and Vince are very unique players on the same level. The only difference is that Vince will have the ball in his hands when it is crunch time, not matter what. As seen, we don't know if Reggie will even be on the field.

Wow. You really like Vince Young.....:rolleyes:

trutxn
04-19-2006, 07:06 PM
it IS unfair to compare vince to vick. vick's a better runner and had a better QB rating in college. clearly the better prospect.

Vince Young had more yards throwing last year alone, than Vick did his two years combined in college. Who did you say was a better prospect?

trutxn
04-19-2006, 07:14 PM
Wow. You really like Vince Young.....:rolleyes:

Not very often does a player come along that has the talent and leadership ability of Vince. He is definatly my favorite player that I have ever seen play the game. Football is a team sport, and when one player can dominate a team sport at any level as he did, that player is special. Don't get me wrong, I like Reggie, but the situation is too right for the Texans. They have an opportunity to get one of the best prospects ever, and he is from their own back yard. I don't hear anyone else saying that they pray to be a Texan. Right now the only leader they have is Kubiak, there is not a player that everyone considers the team leader. Not even David Carr.

hanshintigers74
04-19-2006, 07:18 PM
its alot of people around the board that hop from bandwagon to bandwagon... one minute it's Draft Bush... then the next minute it's draft Young.. The sad part is that people see Bush's name and they expect to see a TD every time that he touches the ball but that's not the case.. while he glides like superman, runs like superman and jukes like superman.. he IS NOT Superman!

But what Bush is, is an amazing running back, now some people are gonna sit here and say, well he hasnt played against any good defenses till Texas and look at what Texas did to him.. well let's look at the stats...

Reggie Bush
13 Rushes 82 Yards 6.3 Avg 1TD 6Rec 95Yards 15.8avg

I know some of you are saying...
(picks his nose) "Only 82 Yards Rushing durrrhhh what's up with that??"

:penalty:
Flag on the play.. too many people being stupid on the board..

Well take your finger outta your nose and listen to this.. I'll say a good average for a HB in college is lets say.. 5.0 yards per carry.. (and that's being generous).. Reggie Bush still had a better average than probably every RB in the nation. LenDale White was murdering Texas's Defense and Bush still had a better ypc than him too..

And people wanna talk about how sick Texas's defense is.. and how well they did again Bush well let's pull up some more stats shall we..

vs Oregon, Washington St and Cal..
Reggie Bush's avg yards per carry was less than it was at Texas.. so I guess that means that all those teams have a better defense than Texas. Cal held Bush to only 82 yards, at 4.8 a carry with no TDs.. so they performed wayyyy better than Texas's defense..

I'm saying all that to say this, people are so built on the next hot or the next popular thing that they dont realize what's right in their face.. first it's lienart, then it's bush then it's the young bandwagon.. it's all about what's hot and it doesnt make any sense to me cause bush still had a very very good day (minus that absolutley mind-blowingly-dumb lateral) by my standards. 6.3 yards a carry and almost 100 receiving on a defense that "shut" him down.. i dont think so.. Bush still had a solid performance and I would still take Bush over Young anyday.. and when i continue on you will see why..

Now on to Young.. it seems to be a lotta followers of young all of a sudden and i'm not surprised about that. now dont get me wrong i like they way he played in the championship game 260+ passing and 200+ rushing, no Ints.. he had one of those games that you would have to be lucky to even dream about.

But if you stop and look at it.. USC defense is absolutely trash-a-rific.. they give up.. 227 passing yrds per game... schools like.. Nothern Illinios, Florida International, Cincy, UAB, Wyoming and Indiana give up less yards than USC in the air and rushing defense is a lil better but they are not even top 25 rushing defense. So all in all he's not really playing against a good defense a all.. so to have the day that he had.. it shouldnt have even been a problem at all. Beside Darnell Bing name 1 guy from USC defense that could be taken on day 1.. Frostee Rucker is the closet they got and he's a 4th or 5th rounder at best.

Oh and by the way that option-zone-read that Mack Brown has been babying Vince Young with to protect him all these years.. guess what?? they dont do that crap in the Big league.. cause DEs like Rucker, Peppers, Freeney, Abrahamn, Rice, J. Taylor, Strahan and Ogunleye dont play that mess they will put you to sleep if they get a clean shot at you..

So that little shotgun-zone-read-option crap, that's made Vince Young the "Winner" that he is, that Mack Brown calls 70% of the time.. is gonna be out of the question on the next level then what happens next Young??

To be perfectly honest.. he's not that quick.. Mike Vick is quicker than Young, and with Young's long lanky legs it's not gonna be the pansies from USC's defense grabbing air, it's gonna be Ray Lewis, and Vilma, Peterson, Zach Thomas, Shawn Merriman, Keith Bullock, Andra Davis and Derrick Brooks taking shots at Vince's fraile little body and he's gonna mess around and get his lil legs broke trying to perform one of those weak juke moves that got him pass that pop warner USC defense.

So all you bandwagon hopers that went from "DRAFT THE PREZ" To.. "DRAFT THE IN-VINCE-IBLE" I'll be sitting back with my Bush jersey on watching him run all over the NFL field while you Young fans'll be seeing Young carried on a stretcher because Brian Urlacher or Donovan Darious was spying on Young and put a pop on him that folded him like laundry.

cause without his zone-read-option.. Young runs for 8.4 yrds less and when he drops back his accuracy drops from a beautiful 76% to a very ugly 53%.. so good luck with that stuff in the NFL Vince.. Oh and when you get to the NFL Tell Dwight Freeney and John Abraham I said hello when you run into em...

ROFLMAO..

:tv:



that the man i talking about bush is the champon and vince is lucky. and good post.:cool: that what i trying to tell everone about.

kastofsna
04-19-2006, 07:50 PM
Vince Young had more yards throwing last year alone, than Vick did his two years combined in college. Who did you say was a better prospect?
BJ Symons had more yards his senior season than any QB in the history of college football. i believe you guys spent a 7th on him. why isn't he starting?

trutxn
04-19-2006, 08:43 PM
BJ Symons had more yards his senior season than any QB in the history of college football. i believe you guys spent a 7th on him. why isn't he starting?

BJ also had more yards on the practice squad than David Carr did last year. Dave Ragone had as many yards in NFL Europe, as Carr did last year. I'm sure you could throw for as many yards as Carr, and you don't seem like the athletic type. Should I go on?

tulexan
04-19-2006, 08:55 PM
BJ also had more yards on the practice squad than David Carr did last year. Dave Ragone had as many yards in NFL Europe, as Carr did last year. I'm sure you could throw for as many yards as Carr, and you don't seem like the athletic type. Should I go on?

The difference is that BJ and Vince played against relatively the same competition in college. Ragone played against NFL Europe talent and BJ played in practice against the 3rd squad.

TreWardTxn
04-19-2006, 11:45 PM
BJ Symons had more yards his senior season than any QB in the history of college football. i believe you guys spent a 7th on him. why isn't he starting?

BJ Symons simply doesn't have an NFL quality arm as far as power goes. You can't throw 8 yard slants every play in the NFL...

kastofsna
04-20-2006, 12:01 AM
BJ also had more yards on the practice squad than David Carr did last year. Dave Ragone had as many yards in NFL Europe, as Carr did last year. I'm sure you could throw for as many yards as Carr, and you don't seem like the athletic type. Should I go on?
no need to, you'll only further my point even more.

el toro
04-20-2006, 12:38 AM
vInCE yOUnG is duh bestest kawse he's fwom Hewstin.

Huge
04-20-2006, 07:36 AM
it IS unfair to compare vince to vick. vick's a better runner and had a better QB rating in college. clearly the better prospect.
Young is a better runner and had a better QB rating in college than Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler or any other QB in this draft.

Are you saying Young is clearly the best prospect at QB?

Big B Texan Fan
04-20-2006, 09:19 AM
its alot of people around the board that hop from bandwagon to bandwagon... one minute it's Draft Bush... then the next minute it's draft Young.. The sad part is that people see Bush's name and they expect to see a TD every time that he touches the ball but that's not the case.. while he glides like superman, runs like superman and jukes like superman.. he IS NOT Superman!

But what Bush is, is an amazing running back, now some people are gonna sit here and say, well he hasnt played against any good defenses till Texas and look at what Texas did to him.. well let's look at the stats...

Reggie Bush
13 Rushes 82 Yards 6.3 Avg 1TD 6Rec 95Yards 15.8avg

I know some of you are saying...
(picks his nose) "Only 82 Yards Rushing durrrhhh what's up with that??"

:penalty:
Flag on the play.. too many people being stupid on the board..

Well take your finger outta your nose and listen to this.. I'll say a good average for a HB in college is lets say.. 5.0 yards per carry.. (and that's being generous).. Reggie Bush still had a better average than probably every RB in the nation. LenDale White was murdering Texas's Defense and Bush still had a better ypc than him too..

And people wanna talk about how sick Texas's defense is.. and how well they did again Bush well let's pull up some more stats shall we..

vs Oregon, Washington St and Cal..
Reggie Bush's avg yards per carry was less than it was at Texas.. so I guess that means that all those teams have a better defense than Texas. Cal held Bush to only 82 yards, at 4.8 a carry with no TDs.. so they performed wayyyy better than Texas's defense..

I'm saying all that to say this, people are so built on the next hot or the next popular thing that they dont realize what's right in their face.. first it's lienart, then it's bush then it's the young bandwagon.. it's all about what's hot and it doesnt make any sense to me cause bush still had a very very good day (minus that absolutley mind-blowingly-dumb lateral) by my standards. 6.3 yards a carry and almost 100 receiving on a defense that "shut" him down.. i dont think so.. Bush still had a solid performance and I would still take Bush over Young anyday.. and when i continue on you will see why..

Now on to Young.. it seems to be a lotta followers of young all of a sudden and i'm not surprised about that. now dont get me wrong i like they way he played in the championship game 260+ passing and 200+ rushing, no Ints.. he had one of those games that you would have to be lucky to even dream about.

But if you stop and look at it.. USC defense is absolutely trash-a-rific.. they give up.. 227 passing yrds per game... schools like.. Nothern Illinios, Florida International, Cincy, UAB, Wyoming and Indiana give up less yards than USC in the air and rushing defense is a lil better but they are not even top 25 rushing defense. So all in all he's not really playing against a good defense a all.. so to have the day that he had.. it shouldnt have even been a problem at all. Beside Darnell Bing name 1 guy from USC defense that could be taken on day 1.. Frostee Rucker is the closet they got and he's a 4th or 5th rounder at best.

Oh and by the way that option-zone-read that Mack Brown has been babying Vince Young with to protect him all these years.. guess what?? they dont do that crap in the Big league.. cause DEs like Rucker, Peppers, Freeney, Abrahamn, Rice, J. Taylor, Strahan and Ogunleye dont play that mess they will put you to sleep if they get a clean shot at you..

So that little shotgun-zone-read-option crap, that's made Vince Young the "Winner" that he is, that Mack Brown calls 70% of the time.. is gonna be out of the question on the next level then what happens next Young??

To be perfectly honest.. he's not that quick.. Mike Vick is quicker than Young, and with Young's long lanky legs it's not gonna be the pansies from USC's defense grabbing air, it's gonna be Ray Lewis, and Vilma, Peterson, Zach Thomas, Shawn Merriman, Keith Bullock, Andra Davis and Derrick Brooks taking shots at Vince's fraile little body and he's gonna mess around and get his lil legs broke trying to perform one of those weak juke moves that got him pass that pop warner USC defense.

So all you bandwagon hopers that went from "DRAFT THE PREZ" To.. "DRAFT THE IN-VINCE-IBLE" I'll be sitting back with my Bush jersey on watching him run all over the NFL field while you Young fans'll be seeing Young carried on a stretcher because Brian Urlacher or Donovan Darious was spying on Young and put a pop on him that folded him like laundry.

cause without his zone-read-option.. Young runs for 8.4 yrds less and when he drops back his accuracy drops from a beautiful 76% to a very ugly 53%.. so good luck with that stuff in the NFL Vince.. Oh and when you get to the NFL Tell Dwight Freeney and John Abraham I said hello when you run into em...

ROFLMAO..

:tv:
I know his post is from way back but someone drug it up so I'll comment.

Bush was the "change of pace back" in the Championship game. Not exactly high praise from his coach (a former NFL coach). Most #1 picks are guys who AREN'T EVER the second option.
I didn't see the back-up QB for UT come in cuz VY was strugglin'.

And for all this VY won't get away with this or VY won't get away with that.....You're leaving the one intangible out that VY has over most of the competition, ADAPTABILITY.

Now I'm sure VY isn't the pick, and that's cool. I'm guilty of chanting "Reggie Bush, Reggie Bush" when we we're blowing the lead in the Rams game. But I will be a VY follower along with a being a Texans fan. I just think it's tasteless to predict any of these guys getting injured. I'm sure if either guy drove past you on the road after being in a wreck, they'd both get out and help, offer a phone, act as a witness, etc.... Quit being a punk

kastofsna
04-20-2006, 10:04 AM
Young is a better runner and had a better QB rating in college than Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler or any other QB in this draft.

Are you saying Young is clearly the best prospect at QB?
no i'm saying ryan dinwiddie is a future hall of famer.

rushman06
04-21-2006, 12:24 PM
vince is coming home to houston.http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_Rq3iB0lE7HQB95WjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9mhttp://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9G_RtsZCElEUjsB9tKjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN 0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG

thunderkyss
04-21-2006, 01:26 PM
it IS unfair to compare vince to vick. vick's a better runner and had a better QB rating in college. clearly the better prospect.

Vince's Senior year, he's got a better rating than Lienart, has better passing effieciency rating than Lienart, and I hear they say he can run better than lienart.......

Thanks for showing us how to evaluate college QBs, this makes it much easier..

chuckm
04-21-2006, 01:59 PM
I've seen this Passing Efficiency statistic thrown around a lot. Since it's slow at work, I thought I'd do some digging and see what other QBs had led the nation over the past few years.

here's the top of the list over the last decade or so

2005
Rudy Carpenter, Arizona State
Brian Brohm, Louisville
Vince Young, Texas

2004
Stefan Lafours, Louisville
Alex Smith, Utah

2003
Philip Rivers, NC State
Stan Hill, Marshall

2002
Ryan Dinwiddie, Boise State
Brad Banks, Iowa

2001
Rex Grossman, Florida
David Carr, Fresno State

2000
Bart Hendricks, Boise State
Chris Weinke, Florida State

1999
Michael Vick, Virginia Tech
Joe Hamilton, Georgia Tech

1998
Shaun King, Tulane
Akili Smith, Oregon

1997
Cade McNown, UCLA
Ryan Leaf, Washington State

1996
Danny Wuerffel, Florida
Bobby Hoying, Ohio State



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables
http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0002331.html

thunderkyss
04-21-2006, 02:36 PM
Man, all those guys are busts........

Good thing Vince can scramble too.

swtbound07
04-21-2006, 02:40 PM
So can Vick and Carr.

Backwards....

Mike Kerns
04-21-2006, 02:42 PM
So can Vick and Carr.
Oblivion, you forgot. Vince is Already a better prospect Than Michael Vick. :sarcasm::rolleyes:

Believe it when I see it.

thunderkyss
04-21-2006, 02:46 PM
Oblivion, you forgot. Vince is Already a better prospect Than Michael Vick. :sarcasm::rolleyes:

Believe it when I see it.

So what do you need to see to be able to consider Vince a better prospect than Vick??

You have no problem seeing Reggie as a better prospect than Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, LT, DD, etc.........

What are you seeing there, that you don't see in Vince??

hanshintigers74
04-21-2006, 06:01 PM
Oblivion, you forgot. Vince is Already a better prospect Than Michael Vick. :sarcasm::rolleyes:

Believe it when I see it.



no! vince is damn good in collage and was just luck!? vick is damn good in nfl but not collage.

Texaneyes
04-21-2006, 06:26 PM
youre right it did upset with with his constant attempts to go straight for the side line on plays design to run up the middle but as you stated.. imagine what he could do if you ust takes it north and south into the hole..

but NFL RB mentality cant completely be achieved by a junior in college i say with a HC like Gary Kubiak and his proven track record of 1000 yard rushers he can get Bush pointed in the right direction..

I cannot believe that you take the Bush hype seriously. I've said it before, and will say it again, that Bush can't carry Adrian Peterson's jockstrap. That said, even if Peterson were available this year, I'd still pick Vince Young.

In the last quarter century, when was the last time that a running back turned a losing franchise into a contender? Think of the great ones: Barry Sanders, OJ, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, etc. The answer is that none of them turned losing teams into winning teams. And you think little Reggie Bush is going to make our team a contender? Jeez!

Picking a small, over-hyped RB who needed sprinting spikes on a running track to clock his 40 time (Vince ran his on Astroturf with football cleats, BTW) in his struggle to impress the unwary is crazy. His own college coach (the great Pete Carroll) didn't trust him with the ball on key plays in the championship game. Carroll was right,of course, because Bush was consistently stuffed, stomped and caught from behind by the Texas defense.

Bush's coach devised his defense scheme for the game with one absolute in mind: Key on Vince Young. Everything USC did defensively was predicated on this. For all those who didn't watch the national championship game between Texas and USC in the Rose Bowl (and who therefore blather on about how Vince isn't all he's cracked up to be), let me inform you that Vince Young beat Carroll's defensive scheme; totally obliterated the image of USC's two bogus Heismanners (one of whom is little Reggie Bush); led his team to the first DivI NCAA football championship for a Texan university in 35 years; and won his SECOND consecutive Rose Bowl MVP award!

Oh, and BTW, great QB's repeatedly have turned losers into winners. Also BTW, both Steve McNair and Marcus Vick, who've been regularly trashed by sore losers to get at Vince Young, turned their franchises around ....in case you didn't notice. And Vince Young is better than either of those two superstars.