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bdiddy
01-05-2006, 10:57 PM
If Kubiak is hired as the Texans next HC, the Texans will not draft Vince Young. Kubiak was very high on Carr coming out of the draft, he worked with him over a summer (Kubiak is friends with Jeff Tedford - Cal head coach and QB coach for Carr at Fresno State).

I do not know the direction Kubiak will take the pick, it depends on his assessment of the Texans current talent and greatest area of need. Most likely he will go with the safe pick of Reggie Bush, as this is what Casserly wants.

Kubiak=Carr, to which I am not opposed. I think David would fit very nicely into the West Coast offense run by Denver, he is Jake Plummer with a better arm and a brain (although this is somewhat questionable).

I do think DD may be in a little bit of trouble, mainly because of Reggie Bush's running style. Most scouts would say that DD, Bush, and Morency have similar styles. Obviously with Bush being drafted, and the need to keep Wells size and special teams play, Morency or DD. I do not think we can get much value for DD, but could unload the contract. This may not happen, but one of the running backs will have too go. It could be Wells as is an UFA, but Denver has always favored having a change of pace power back to compliment the speed rushers.

LBC_Justin
01-05-2006, 11:13 PM
If Kubiak is hired as the Texans next HC, the Texans will not draft Vince Young. Kubiak was very high on Carr coming out of the draft, he worked with him over a summer (Kubiak is friends with Jeff Tedford - Cal head coach and QB coach for Carr at Fresno State).

I do not know the direction Kubiak will take the pick, it depends on his assessment of the Texans current talent and greatest area of need. Most likely he will go with the safe pick of Reggie Bush, as this is what Casserly wants.

Kubiak=Carr, to which I am not opposed. I think David would fit very nicely into the West Coast offense run by Denver, he is Jake Plummer with a better arm and a brain (although this is somewhat questionable).

I do think DD may be in a little bit of trouble, mainly because of Reggie Bush's running style. Most scouts would say that DD, Bush, and Morency have similar styles. Obviously with Bush being drafted, and the need to keep Wells size and special teams play, Morency or DD. I do not think we can get much value for DD, but could unload the contract. This may not happen, but one of the running backs will have too go. It could be Wells as is an UFA, but Denver has always favored having a change of pace power back to compliment the speed rushers.
From what I hear, (reading as much stuff on the web as possible) Casserly and Company were very high on Reggie Bush as the #1 pick, that is when Vince Young was a Junior who wasn't planning on coming out and wasn't a local legend and national superstar, that he made himself yesterday.

Also from what I hear, they are going to decide on the first pick before they hire the coach. Or at least make sure the new coach is on board with their decisions.

I love Reggie Bush and think he is probably the way to go. But the other part of me thinks it is crazy to pass on Vince Young. A Super star QB is much harder to find than a quality RB. Plus a QB gets a lot more touches and has a bigger impact on the game. Either way we better beef up our O-line situation with some of those other picks.

Either way has it's risks.

tulexan
01-05-2006, 11:19 PM
Well tomorrow McNair meets with Kubiak. Kubiak may recommend that the Texans pick Reggie over Vince because David fits his style more than Vince.

Tulip
01-05-2006, 11:22 PM
I wonder what Dan Reeves thinks of Vince Young as a #1 draft prospect. :hmmm:

bigcarlos
01-05-2006, 11:27 PM
Well tomorrow McNair meets with Kubiak. Kubiak may recommend that the Texans pick Reggie over Vince because David fits his style more than Vince.
maybe Gary will not have a choice:redtowel:

texan279
01-05-2006, 11:45 PM
If we hire Kubiak as our next HC I think I would almost prefer to retain Carr and see what Kubiak and staff can do with him. And if Vince doesn't declare the choice is made for us.

Tulip
01-05-2006, 11:47 PM
And if Vince doesn't declare the choice is made for us. But the chance of that happening is dwindling fast. I think Mack Brown is actually going to change from his usual course and not try to convince Vince to stay at Texas.

texan279
01-05-2006, 11:52 PM
But the chance of that happening is dwindling fast. I think Mack Brown is actually going to change from his usual course and not try to convince Vince to stay at Texas.

I honestly do not see how Vince can stay another year and risk injury or a bad season after this past season and last night.

Hervoyel
01-06-2006, 12:00 AM
maybe Gary will not have a choice:redtowel:



I hope that doesn't end up being the case. Anyone else in here care to watch another head coach get force fed something he doesn't like? You guys know how well that worked out last time with Capers.

"Dom, meet Chris. Chris, this is Dom. You'll be working for him"

The new HC needs to be onboard with the program before there even IS a program. If they go looking for someone to come in and say "Yeah, I can do that. I can work with those guys. They'll be fine" then they're going to hire a loser.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-06-2006, 12:06 AM
How did Reeves deal with Vick (a scrambling QB)? Did he like it or was he frustrated with him all the time? I don't remember. I think this fact will have a lot to do with Reeves' recommendation to McNair.

tulexan
01-06-2006, 12:09 AM
A coach is going to want his guys. If Gary Kubiak believes that he can have the best chance of winning with David Carr as his QB and Reggie Bush on the team and McNair wants Kubiak then we are probably going to draft Reggie. I don't think McNair is going to say "I don't care who you want we are picking Vince Young" because if he did, then Kubiak would probably say thanks but no thanks.

tulexan
01-06-2006, 12:10 AM
How did Reeves deal with Vick (a scrambling QB)? Did he like it or was he frustrated with him all the time? I don't remember. I think this fact will have a lot to do with Reeves' recommendation to McNair.


If I remember correctly, Reeves did have some trouble with him because Michael isn't one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Hervoyel
01-06-2006, 12:13 AM
Michael isn't one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Michael is a knife? I always thought he was more of a spoon, or maybe a "spork"

His choice of an alias backs up your statement. Anyone who could come up with "Ron, Ron Mexico" is either slow on the draw or in the business of naming porn stars.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-06-2006, 12:25 AM
If I remember correctly, Reeves did have some trouble with him because Michael isn't one of the sharpest knives in the drawer.

But did he get frustrated with him not staying in the pocket? No matter who Young plays for he is going to tuck and run a little more than he should. All rookies who are scramblers do. All pocket passing rookie QBs throw the ball when they shouldn't and cause INTs. Does anyone know which Reeves prefers to deal with?

El Tejano
01-06-2006, 02:33 AM
Young just needs to get on a team who runs the read play and is in shootgun 90% of the time.

You know that is a very good point. Many QBs struggle when they come to the NFL and have to learn how to be a QB from under center.

texan279
01-06-2006, 02:35 AM
You know that is a very good point. Many QBs struggle when they come to the NFL and have to learn how to be a QB from under center.

I read in another thread last night but I have also heard Bill Parcells talk about how QB's have trouble reading defenses in the shotgun which is why Bledsoe is almost never in shotgun formation...

ledzeppelin229
01-06-2006, 03:05 AM
Just me but it seems like being in the shotgun would be easier since it would give a better view of the entire defense. But I never played so that's just my theory.

HJam72
01-06-2006, 07:56 AM
If we get Kubiak and he stops us from getting Young, that's just perfectly fine with me (I'd rather trade down anyway), but I will be dissappointed if this team takes Bush with the #1 pick (at least until he proves me wrong). Regardless, I have decided that I want Kubiak and I'm willing to put up with that, especially since Bush could very well prove me wrong in the first place. I really worry about him running between the tackles. I didn't see him do it and that was not an NFL defense. It's almost more a question of whether or not he will than whether or not he can. Bounce outside, bounce outside, that's all I saw. Go up to the line, stop, bounce outside. Watching him was very frustrating to me because I just didn't get to see what I was looking for. He had some success, but it was always getting outside.

HoustonFrog
01-06-2006, 08:25 AM
I think David would fit very nicely into the West Coast offense run by Denver, he is Jake Plummer with a better arm and a brain (although this is somewhat questionable).

Very nice post except I think Carr has rocks for brains and that is his downfall.

HJam72
01-06-2006, 08:32 AM
Very nice post except I think Carr has rocks for brains and that is his downfall.

If he is that stupid, it's because this organization has allowed his brains to be beaten in. I also think that, while the QB may need to be the smartest player, it is not necessary to be a PH.D.

Marcus
01-06-2006, 08:35 AM
I honestly do not see how Vince can stay another year and risk injury or a bad season after this past season and last night.

Signed,

Matt Leinart, Roy Williams, and Cedric Benson

HoustonFrog
01-06-2006, 08:37 AM
If he is that stupid, it's because this organization has allowed his brains to be beaten in. I also think that, while the QB may need to be the smartest player, it is not necessary to be a PH.D.

I'm not trying to be rude but before Fresno St. that guy had to go to JUCO because of academics, etc. I'm not saying you have to be the smartest cookie but I think many of ther top QBs are alot smarter than you think. Manning, Palmer, Brady, Hassleback, and in the past Young, Montana, Aikman and others all made good game time decisions. Carr seems to have not learned a thing in 4 years. Coaching can do some work but things like looking off receivers and getting rid of the ball should be inate after a year, maybe 2. He doesn't watch film or put in the extra work.

Marcus
01-06-2006, 08:38 AM
maybe Gary will not have a choice:redtowel:

Then he'll politely tell Mr. McNair that he wasted all that jet fuel for nothing.

HJam72
01-06-2006, 08:44 AM
Sorry, double post. Check the next one.

HJam72
01-06-2006, 08:48 AM
Is it possible that he's looking down a receiver because he knows by coverage that there's no real point in even looking at the others? I know, look at them to at least draw attention or whatever, but I'm saying that nobody's open and maybe he knows by the play called and the way that the D is covering that only the #1 read has a chance to get open. So, he watches and waits and hopes that the guy finally does, even though he should have several seconds ago. I just don't think this team has given him much of a chance in terms of protection and getting a REAL #2 receiver ON THE FIELD. Mathis might be it, but they insisted on sticking Bradford out there. He also has Bruener out there all the time. He's never open and probably doesn't go out much in the first place.

It seems to me that when we play teams who can't get a more than adequate pass rush against us, Carr usually shows huge improvement.

Some people like school. Some don't. It very rarely has anything to do with how smart they are.

HoustonFrog
01-06-2006, 08:55 AM
Some people like school. Some don't. It very rarely has anything to do with how smart they are.

You are right and maybe it isn't fair to paint him with that broad a brush. Just IMHO I think it may fit. After the new coach gets here and things change, I may be wrong.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 09:16 AM
The passing game has been awful in the four years for many reasons. DC is part of the problem with his inability to read and audible correctly before the snap. Does this make him an *****? No, but it is a liability. This is not regulated to DC as many talented players were able to fall back on their talents and coast, that is until they made the jump to the NFL where faster, bigger and well paid defensive staffs were waiting.

I am not sure this can be fixed, but an upgrade in O line, a new HC/OC and having DC work on his footwork with the secondary could help overcome this deficiency.

SheTexan
01-06-2006, 09:54 AM
Either way we better beef up our O-line situation with some of those other picks.

Either way has it's risks.

Smartest comment I have read all morning!!

HoustonFrog
01-06-2006, 10:02 AM
Smartest comment I have read all morning!!

Since we have NO playmakers we need to take one of the three and then go with it. The other 3 of the top 66 need to be loaded with O-lineman. It is a deep draft for the position.

Honoring Earl 34
01-06-2006, 11:36 AM
:redtowel: I don't know if Carr's dumb but I bet he was'nt good at playing around the world in flash cards.

Jack Bauer
01-06-2006, 11:50 AM
I think David would fit very nicely into the West Coast offense run by Denver, he is Jake Plummer with a better arm and a brain (although this is somewhat questionable).

Very nice post except I think Carr has rocks for brains and that is his downfall.

He scored a 24 on his Wonderlic test, which is about average for a QB. Carson Palmer scored a 26, Vinny Testaverde scored an 18, Troy Aikman a 29. Brian Griese and Eli Manning both scored a 39.

In the interesting department Drew Henson scored a 42 and Jeff George scored a 10!

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 11:52 AM
He scored a 24 on his Wonderlic test, which is about average for a QB. Carson Palmer scored a 26, Vinny Testaverde scored an 18, Troy Aikman a 29. Brian Griese and Eli Manning both scored a 39.

In the interesting department Drew Henson scored a 42 and Jeff George scored a 10!

I have always found testing before the draft to be interesting. I would like to see this test to be done every other year in order to find out if the player has the propensity for continued learning.

bigTEXan8
01-06-2006, 12:23 PM
I really hope Kubiak is hired because then we don't have to draft VY. I really don't think he's going to be any good, but that's just me.

Coach C.
01-06-2006, 12:26 PM
BigTex i would not go that far, but i want Kubiak also. I think even with Kubiak's faults he will be a welcome addition to this team and get the most out of the core players.

Jack Bauer
01-06-2006, 12:26 PM
Signed,

Matt Leinart

If I didn't know the real reason Leinart came back, I would say he made a serious mistake. His elbow was shot last year and this is the reason he came back for his senior season. He would have left, no doubt, if his elbow was healthy.

bdiddy
01-06-2006, 12:38 PM
He scored a 24 on his Wonderlic test, which is about average for a QB. Carson Palmer scored a 26, Vinny Testaverde scored an 18, Troy Aikman a 29. Brian Griese and Eli Manning both scored a 39.

In the interesting department Drew Henson scored a 42 and Jeff George scored a 10!

This is a little bit scary if 24 is average. I do not know anything about the Wonderlic test, but here is a way to compare - Carson Palmer scored approximately a 900 on the SAT. Why the hell do I know this? Because I am a big ND fan and he was not admitted to the university for failing to score above 900. The average SAT score is around 1000. Thus, Carr would be considered below average intelligence but not overtly dumb.

Jeff George on the other hand must have not taken the test seriously or is borderline mentally retarded (which he is not having heard him speak).

run-david-run
01-06-2006, 12:49 PM
I think David would fit very nicely into the West Coast offense run by Denver, he is Jake Plummer with a better arm and a brain (although this is somewhat questionable).

Very nice post except I think Carr has rocks for brains and that is his downfall.
I think the INT is what he was reffering to... Plummer made some decisons that would make you say "wtf???". Carr is very good at not throwing interceptions. even this season he has thrown more TD's then INT's...

run-david-run
01-06-2006, 12:52 PM
Signed,

Matt Leinart, Roy Williams, and Cedric Benson
how did any of those guys have bad seasons? roy williams wasnt great... but both he and cedric were top 7 picks. Leinart should have left, now he has lost the title and will prob. go to NO, but he put up better numbers then his Heisman year (which should have gone to Peterson)...

HoustonFrog
01-06-2006, 12:58 PM
He scored a 24 on his Wonderlic test, which is about average for a QB. Carson Palmer scored a 26, Vinny Testaverde scored an 18, Troy Aikman a 29. Brian Griese and Eli Manning both scored a 39.

In the interesting department Drew Henson scored a 42 and Jeff George scored a 10!

Well he had trouble getting into college without help and he makes the same dumb moves on the field so that is just my impression. I think the Wonderlic is a joke. It asks the most random questions. I took it and with the help as carrying numbers and having to think missed 2.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

stevo3883
01-06-2006, 12:58 PM
This is a little bit scary if 24 is average. I do not know anything about the Wonderlic test, but here is a way to compare - Carson Palmer scored approximately a 900 on the SAT. Why the hell do I know this? Because I am a big ND fan and he was not admitted to the university for failing to score above 900. The average SAT score is around 1000. Thus, Carr would be considered below average intelligence but not overtly dumb.

Jeff George on the other hand must have not taken the test seriously or is borderline mentally retarded (which he is not having heard him speak).


our own phillip buchanon got around a 7 i believe.

what a fantastic pickup

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 01:05 PM
our own phillip buchanon got around a 7 i believe.

what a fantastic pickup

But he only counts as 700k against the cap.

Coach C.
01-06-2006, 01:07 PM
Kaiser P-burnt is perfect right now, low cap figure good athlete, bad player. If he can find his way then we have trade value if not cost us next to nothing next year for a talented nickel back.

ATX
01-06-2006, 01:14 PM
That Wonderlic IQ test is one of the easiest tests i've ever seen. I can't believe how dumb some football players are.

here's a few examples of it.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

Look at the row of numbers below. What number should come next?
8 4 2 1 ?

The ninth month of the year is
1. October, 2. January, 3. June, 4. September, 5 May.

SnakeOilTanker
01-06-2006, 01:16 PM
Andre Johnson got a 12

Miami players always score the lowest it seems

As a Texas fan, and a big fan of GHA HS Football I'd love to have Vince, however all the things people have said are fairly true, and make me nervous.

BTW Ben Rothlisbereger worked out of the shotgun in college and worked out just fine.

Also I might be wrong but I think David went to a Juco not because of grades, but for a chance to play. He was a late bloomer.

travfrancis
01-06-2006, 01:26 PM
i took the wonderlic test, how do i grade it to come out with a number? or is this not a full test?

ATX
01-06-2006, 01:26 PM
Wonderlic Test Results:

Brian Griese - 39
Akili Smith - 37
Tom Brady - 33
Steve Young - 33
John Elway - 30
Brett Favre - 22
Dan Marino - 16
Jeff George - 10

ATX
01-06-2006, 01:27 PM
i took the wonderlic test, how do i grade it to come out with a number? or is this not a full test?

It's only a sample, but basically the real one is 50 questions. So a 25 is answering half of them correctly.

Coach C.
01-06-2006, 01:31 PM
50 questions in a matter of minutes, and a third of the questions are subjective. Like what kind of animal would you be. Dont read to much into it, but if you do well on it you are a smart person. Ryan Fitzpatrick did very well on the wonderlic test.

Jack Bauer
01-06-2006, 01:31 PM
That Wonderlic IQ test is one of the easiest tests i've ever seen. I can't believe how dumb some football players are.

here's a few examples of it.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

The test gets a little harder the further you go. You also only have 12 minutes to finish the 50 questions. So it is also a matter of how quickly you can get to the answers.

Jack Bauer
01-06-2006, 01:32 PM
50 questions in a matter of minutes, and a third of the questions are subjective. Like what kind of animal would you be. Dont read to much into it, but if you do well on it you are a smart person. Ryan Fitzpatrick did very well on the wonderlic test.

None of the questions on the Wonderlic test I took were subjective. Does the NFL give a different version?

nunusguy
01-06-2006, 01:39 PM
Wonderlic Test Results:

Brian Griese - 39
Akili Smith - 37
Tom Brady - 33
Steve Young - 33
John Elway - 30
Brett Favre - 22
Dan Marino - 16
Jeff George - 10
Certainly the most curious score there is Marino, who without question is one of the all great QBs. Is this number really good ? If so, disproves the theory that QB needs a lot of smarts to succeed in the NFL.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 02:24 PM
Kubiak will be interviewing with the Lions on Saturday

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060106/SPORTS01/601060360/1049/SPORTS

SESupergenius
01-06-2006, 02:31 PM
Certainly the most curious score there is Marino, who without question is one of the all great QBs. Is this number really good ? If so, disproves the theory that QB needs a lot of smarts to succeed in the NFL.
Not necessarily, you have to evaluate him and interview him about the test. Did he just not try and thought it was useless and that is the reason he slid? What percentage of QB's that take the test and have been starters in the NFL for over 5 years have a score of 20 or better? See all of this data subjective when you make a small sample size like that.

bdiddy
01-06-2006, 03:32 PM
Kubiak will be interviewing with the Lions on Saturday

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060106/SPORTS01/601060360/1049/SPORTS

Kubiak is ours unless he somehow is an ***** today during the interview process. The Texans are his first choice by a very long margin. McNair and Reeves want him, the only thing holding back his hirer originally was Casserly. Casserly wanted what was at the time a more reputable name (especially for starting a franchise), so he picked Capers. McNair listened and followed as he has done consistantly until recently.

Barring some crazy unforeseen circustance, Kubiak should be unofficially the coach by this evening - interesting to see what is given to the press.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 03:34 PM
Kubiak is ours unless he somehow is an ***** today during the interview process. The Texans are his first choice by a very long margin. McNair and Reeves want him, the only thing holding back his hirer originally was Casserly. Casserly wanted what was at the time a more reputable name (especially for starting a franchise), so he picked Capers. McNair listened and followed as he has done consistantly until recently.

Barring some crazy unforeseen circustance, Kubiak should be unofficially the coach by this evening - interesting to see what is given to the press.

It is called leverage, both sides are trying to get it when it comes to the financial package.

bdiddy
01-06-2006, 03:39 PM
It is called leverage, both sides are trying to get it when it comes to the financial package.

I think this is true in Kubiak's case for sure, he is interviewing with the Lions and maybe (doubtful) others to try and put a little heat on the Texans and to show his value as appreciated by those around the league.

However, the Texans are just covering their bases to make sure everything is cosher. In reality the Texans had only two real candidates: (1) Kubiak, (2) Ferentz (and possibly Gregg Williams). Ferentz does not look that interested and they are fearful of sitting too long on Kubiak given all the interest surrounding him.

I want to hear post interview quotes. The to sides will agree in principle tonight, although this cannot be released until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoffs.

titan hater
01-06-2006, 03:41 PM
I think this is true in Kubiak's case for sure, he is interviewing with the Lions and maybe (doubtful) others to try and put a little heat on the Texans and to show his value as appreciated by those around the league.

However, the Texans are just covering their bases to make sure everything is cosher. In reality the Texans had only two real candidates: (1) Kubiak, (2) Ferentz (and possibly Gregg Williams). Ferentz does not look that interested and they are fearful of sitting too long on Kubiak given all the interest surrounding him.

I want to hear post interview quotes. The to sides will agree in principle tonight, although this cannot be released until the Broncos are eliminated from the playoffs.

Where is this inside info comming from? Who is your source? Or are you guessing?

bdiddy
01-06-2006, 03:44 PM
I went over this yesterday, I will not reveal my source. Just consider it pure speculation because if not you will go nuts again accusing me of lying.

HoustonFrog
01-06-2006, 03:46 PM
Charlie Palillo and the sports ticker guy were just joking that Kubiak is late for his post interview press conference so it must be a done deal:yahoo: lol

titan hater
01-06-2006, 03:49 PM
I went over this yesterday, I will not reveal my source. Just consider it pure speculation because if not you will go nuts again accusing me of lying.


Not at all...I never accussed you of lying, I was just wondering...

tulexan
01-06-2006, 03:56 PM
Charlie Palillo and the sports ticker guy were just joking that Kubiak is late for his post interview press conference so it must be a done deal:yahoo: lol


We can only hope.

bdiddy
01-06-2006, 04:02 PM
Not at all...I never accussed you of lying, I was just wondering...

Sorry, titan hater - this was not addressed directly at you. However, yesterday I posted similar information from a source close to the organization and was blasted. Just giving a preemptory response.

To others, please only consider it speculation - I do not need to hear all the comments again.

titan hater
01-06-2006, 04:05 PM
Sorry, titan hater - this was not addressed directly at you. However, yesterday I posted similar information from a source close to the organization and was blasted. Just giving a preemptory response.

To others, please only consider it speculation - I do not need to hear all the comments again.

I actually hope your right!!!

TexasUSMC
01-06-2006, 08:50 PM
Boy no shortage of fun on the MB I see! I unfortunately don't get to see our boys play but [B][I]MAYBE[I][B] twice a year (when they play the jags) but from what I have gathered by reading and watching what little I can the Texans don't need Bush or Young! What some of you have already said there are other issues to be addressed. First and formost COACHING, then our OLINE ( by the way for the record a few years ago some one resembling myself stated that the line was a big problem you know back when Herndon was starting) then defense, I'd also like to relieve a couple of our RBs (not DD). I'd like to Kubiak as our next HC. Carr will come around with a GOOD coach (hopefully this next season). What I'd like to see the head weenies do is grab DBrickashaw Ferguson, and Lendale White (he has good size could be an everydown back and he reminds me of someone I use to watch as a kid) I know I'm dreaming a bit no possible way to get both so we get DBrickashaw, he IS the bigger NEED. Everything else can be addressed with the lesser picks and hopefully free agency. I will say to some of you there is a fine line between want and need, and just because we have the number one pick does not mean we have to take what we want. If we didn't have a CAPABLE QB Then my pick would be I don't know! I know I don't like Lienert( poor loser) Vince said he was staying and until he says otherwise he's staying. I've been arguing with my Marines for months over who was the HE IS d MAN., everyone of them came into work Thursday, and apologized for being wrong:) I know I'm all over the map but yall just have to deal with it.

On a totally unrelated topic whatever happened to mcmike? Vinny and him had some truly classic disputes.

Go Texans

New_Texans
01-06-2006, 09:34 PM
Hire Kubiak.



I'm one of the rare black people who say dont draft Vince. I still have a good feeling about Carr so i say keep him. I felt good about D-Rob and AJ too but i've always speculated about the O-line and it sucks (other than Pitts hes the best one we have and we need to start Hogdin or whatever his name is)

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 09:37 PM
I'm one of the rare black people who say dont draft Vince.

There is no way you could measure that.

HOOK'EM
01-18-2006, 04:38 AM
.........so get Bush & keep the Carr.