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Texans_Chick
01-05-2006, 07:04 PM
The General's Football Report--Click on the Link on the page (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/)

A preview of his Friday column (apologies if this has been posted before):

FWIW......

He says that the Texans have to take VY.

That the Texans thought Bush had to be picked but that the Rose Bowl changed everything, especially if VY, because of his Rose Bowl performance, declares.

He says VY is best served by coming out now.

Talked about the marketing aspects of it. About how the hometown thing makes it hard to pass on him.

Said that he thought they needed to retain Carr for one year, learn up VY on the bench and then trade Carr.

Blahditty blah.



I think I heard some backtracking noises too, but I might be mistaken. :)

IMO, there is no way that VY backing up Carr is going to be a workable deal. It is a sorry lameduck situation for Carr, sorry for VY, sorry for the fans, sorry for leadership, sorry for building a team with a new coach. It would just be an ugly mess.

VY is golden right now, and Carr (rightly or wrongly) is in the doghouse with fans--I just don't see it working.

Double Barrel
01-05-2006, 07:07 PM
yeah, if we go with Young, I'd say we need to let go of Carr before signing his option. Too many holes to fill and needs to address for that much money to be tied up in one position.

Runner
01-05-2006, 07:11 PM
Intriguing scenario, but I doubt it happens. However, since we may be daydreaming anyway...

How many DBs are there in the league that could guard Young as a wide or slot receiver that first year? Wouldn't he be pretty darn good running the reverse from those positions?

UGA
01-05-2006, 07:35 PM
Or you could just cut Carr, sign someone like Brad Johnson for a year while VY learns.

Then you dont have both contracts on the books and can go out and spend in other areas.

McClain is starting to rally the base!!! :redtowel:

Marcus
01-05-2006, 07:50 PM
Or you could just cut Carr, sign someone like Brad Johnson for a year while VY learns.

I see some have short memories. They tried to get Brad Johnson and a whole slew of other quarterbacks to come in here the first year while Carr 'learned'.
And they all said forget it.

Be satisfied with Tony Banks because that's all you're going to get.

real
01-05-2006, 07:51 PM
Tony is cool with me...

phantom17
01-05-2006, 07:54 PM
And Tony help us to get the 1st pick overall! Now that's MVP materaial!

Marcus
01-05-2006, 08:26 PM
He says VY is best served by coming out now.

Funny thing though, those UT players have this knack of staying in school, despite what may be in their best interests.

Just ask Roy Williams and Cedric Benson.

Spider_20
01-05-2006, 08:33 PM
Wow i'm sick of this VY had did have a great game but it was against a poor defensive they didn't have a quarterback spy on him at all. Reggie bush should be the texans first pick he is a very special player who rarley comes around. VY could very easily be a bust he doesn't look like he throws very well all he threw in the rose bowl were short passes most to a cutting back TE he wasn't able to throw downfield at all against a bad pass defense. all he could do is run. He should be turned into a running back.
LETS GO WITH THE SURE THING and DRAFT REGGIE BUSH!!!!

Hookem Horns
01-05-2006, 08:53 PM
IMO, there is no way that VY backing up Carr is going to be a workable deal. It is a sorry lameduck situation for Carr, sorry for VY, sorry for the fans, sorry for leadership, sorry for building a team with a new coach. It would just be an ugly mess.

VY is golden right now, and Carr (rightly or wrongly) is in the doghouse with fans--I just don't see it working.

That is exactly why I brought up the idea of signing Steve McNair for a couple of seasons. McNair is at the end of his career however can hold down the fort for a couple of seasons. It's already known that he won't be back in Tennessee next season. Having McNair here might also win over those remaining fans that have yet to switch loyalties from the Titans to the Texans. Plus McNair has already been working with Vince Young and the two are friends. McNair would gladly accept the role and VY would have his mentor.

I would then trade Carr to someone to help us start building in other areas. This would be the best situation for both us and Carr. I think Carr would do well with another team.

P.S. For you people that keep saying "Vince had one good game .... blah blah", it's obvious you have been not been watching much UT football. VY has been having these types of games consistantly for almost 2 seasons now. One was last year's Rose Bowl, was that "one good game" also? The deal about VY is when he has the ball you just know he isn't going to lose. Once Texas stopped USC on that 4th and 2 I knew Texas was going to win because the game was then in VY's hands.

Erratic Assassin
01-05-2006, 08:56 PM
He says that the Texans have to take VY.

He says VY is best served by coming out now.

Putting VY behind the NFL's all-time worst offensive line is NOT in VY's best interest. It is a surefire way to ruin his career the way that it has ruined David Carr's career to date.

If he doesn't suffer a career-ending injury or end up with dozens of concussions, he will at the very least develop all the bad habits that David Carr developed. We've already ruined one QB's career, lets not ruin another.

HJam72
01-05-2006, 08:59 PM
I wouldn't be upset about releasing Carr and taking Young, but McClain is an *****. What happened to all his, "You HAVE to get Bush! He is God!" crap?

Nighthawk
01-05-2006, 09:00 PM
I see some have short memories. They tried to get Brad Johnson and a whole slew of other quarterbacks to come in here the first year while Carr 'learned'.
And they all said forget it.

Be satisfied with Tony Banks because that's all you're going to get.

Yeah, and they woudn't let Banks NEAR the field, either. Great strategy. Let Carr take the hits and stink it up for 4 years. What a coach, that Capers. What a GM, Casserly. What a club.

I'm afraid when McNair decided to keep Casserly he sank the ship for a good long time. Timidity will get you.

Hookem Horns
01-05-2006, 09:01 PM
Putting VY behind the NFL's all-time worst offensive line is NOT in VY's best interest. It is a surefire way to ruin his career the way that it has ruined David Carr's career to date.

If he doesn't suffer a career-ending injury or end up with dozens of concussions, he will at the very least develop all the bad habits that David Carr developed. We've already ruined one QB's career, lets not ruin another.

That's another good reason to trade Carr. Use Carr to bring in some help in the trenches.

Nighthawk
01-05-2006, 09:02 PM
That is exactly why I brought up the idea of signing Steve McNair for a couple of seasons.

Two questions:

(a) are you sure McNair is not going to be a Titan next year?
(b) would he be willing to come as mentor and not necessarily starter?

real
01-05-2006, 09:02 PM
Why was banks able to have time to throw deep, but Carr wasn't ? I wish I could get a ratio of times banks and carr have been sacked compared to the number of plays...

Hookem Horns
01-05-2006, 09:11 PM
Two questions:

(a) are you sure McNair is not going to be a Titan next year?
(b) would he be willing to come as mentor and not necessarily starter?

a.) I am pretty sure that McNair will not be a Titan next season. I think this is due to a cap issue.

b.) Yes, McNair has already been working with VY during the offseason. Some feel that is why Young has improved so much in the passing game. McNair probably only has about 2 seasons left in him and he would probably be the starter for both of those seasons. Young would get some time to develope unlike Carr.

Someone brought up on the TexansTalk.com board that there is a rumor going around Miami that the Dolphins would offer the Texans Ricky Williams and a condition pick for David Carr. It is probably BS however I do think the Texans could trade Carr and get something in return to help build in other areas. If the Texans keep Carr and go with Bush, they won't get extra value from a trade.

GoBlue
01-05-2006, 10:27 PM
Wow i'm sick of this VY had did have a great game but it was against a poor defensive they didn't have a quarterback spy on him at all. Reggie bush should be the texans first pick he is a very special player who rarley comes around. VY could very easily be a bust he doesn't look like he throws very well all he threw in the rose bowl were short passes most to a cutting back TE he wasn't able to throw downfield at all against a bad pass defense. all he could do is run. He should be turned into a running back.
LETS GO WITH THE SURE THING and DRAFT REGGIE BUSH!!!!
ABSOLUTELY I couldn't agree more. the officials blew at least 2 calls that gave Texas the points to win. If the Longhorns lost, we wouldn't be having this ridiculous debate.

Kaiser Toro
01-05-2006, 10:32 PM
ABSOLUTELY I couldn't agree more. the officials blew at least 2 calls that gave Texas the points to win. If the Longhorns lost, we wouldn't be having this ridiculous debate.

But they did win and it does effect the draft so Texans, Houston, Longhorn and Bush fans will debate. You do not have to like it, but it is part of the forbidden dance we call The Speculation.

AUSTexan
01-05-2006, 10:56 PM
This hype on VY is really annoying... He -might- be a very good NFL player, but I do not believe that ONE GAME should vault the guy from projecting 15 or so in the draft to #1... That's rediculous. Prior to the Rose Bowl I did not see a single major mock draft with Vince in the top 5. If "experts" had done their research (and I expect that they did), then that should not happen. It is similar to me as players jumping 20 spots after running .05 seconds faster in 40 at the combine. I hate that... and I think it's short-sighted. You look at the body of work - period.

Plus, while VY's passing was adequate against a very mediocre USC secondary, his running is what made all of the critical plays. You can't do that regularly in the NFL - they will KILL YOU. No way he pushes into the end zone on that 2-pt conversation against an NFL DL, LB, and secondary... If USC has 1 more minute on the clock, they win and VY is still sitting between 10 and 20 in the draft. Crazy. I am not in favor of drafting VY!

"The General" McClain... What a wishy-washy SOB. Just 2 days ago he was writing that we "HAD" to take Reggie Bush!... that he graded out as the best prospect in 10 years...

I'm about to jump into the "hype these guys then trade the pick" bandwagon.

Htown34s
01-05-2006, 11:10 PM
I absolutely love the idea of drafting Young and signing McNair. McNair is like a father to Young. Young has idolized him since his days with the Oilers. McNair has helped VY become resonsible and an adult.

The thing that really gets to me is the possibility of Bud Adams getting Vince Young. I would HATE that. Plus, if VY becomes a monster QB it would be an absolute disaster having him play his hometown Texans twice a year and show what we passed up.

Also, if we take Young and the Saints take Leinart, that leaves the Titan$ with someone like Cutler, which could be better for us. I just don't want to face the Titans twice a year with Young or Leinart as their QB.

BTW, if VY comes out and we pass on him but the Saints don't, then I just might have a new favorite team. Especially if the move to San Antonio...

IshouldbeGM
01-05-2006, 11:59 PM
why would it be a lame duck season for carr....if anything, it might motivate carr to play better! look what phillip rivers did for drew brees!!

michaelm
01-06-2006, 12:05 AM
BTW, if VY comes out and we pass on him but the Saints don't, then I just might have a new favorite team. Especially if the move to San Antonio...

Plain and simple,
I could never consider a person with this type of loyalty a true fan. I know how you'll respond, but you might as well save your time.

I will never, ever understand this type of fairweather attitude. I guess that's just how I was raised. You could never fit any description of the word fan the way I understand it...

I'm not really trying to pick a fight with you, but I'm sure one is fourthcoming...

You won't get one back from me... I said all I have to say on the subject.

bdiddy
01-06-2006, 12:11 AM
McClain is a hack, the worst beat writer in the NFL (and has been for years). I think he is smoking the chronic if he thinks the Texans will extend Carrs contract and then draft VY to ride the bench for a year. If we are going to draft VY, you do it now and start over building from scratch. McClain knows nothing about football and no longer has any sources within the organization because he is an *****.

tulexan
01-06-2006, 12:15 AM
I bet McClain had two articles ready for the presses. One for Reggie and one for Vince. He got to use the Vince article, but you know if Reggie had the big game and USC won, McClain would be bowing at Reggie's feet just like Richard Justice was last week. Speaking of Richard Justice, is Reggie still his best friend or has he moved on to the more popular person this week?

TexanSam
01-06-2006, 12:17 AM
McClain is a hack, the worst beat writer in the NFL (and has been for years). I think he is smoking the chronic if he thinks the Texans will extend Carrs contract and then draft VY to ride the bench for a year. If we are going to draft VY, you do it now and start over building from scratch. McClain knows nothing about football and no longer has any sources within the organization because he is an *****.

I agree with you on this one. This clip makes him look extremely retarded. He says "Let the new staff come in, help Carr improve, and then trade him and elevate Young." That's stupid. What if Carr improves tremendously and they decide to trade Young instead? We'd take a HUGE hit on the salary cap if we did that. McClain seems to have jumped on the Vince Young bandwagon also. One amazing performance doesn't mean Vince Young is the best thing to come out of Texas since Roger Clemens. McClain sounds like a dummy.

Tulip
01-06-2006, 12:17 AM
I bet McClain had two articles ready for the presses. One for Reggie and one for Vince. He got to use the Vince article, but you know if Reggie had the big game and USC won, McClain would be bowing at Reggie's feet just like Richard Justice was last week. Speaking of Richard Justice, is Reggie still his best friend or has he moved on to the more popular person this week?

Good question. Too bad he was on PTI yesterday instead of today.

LBC_Justin
01-06-2006, 12:45 AM
VY is golden right now, and Carr (rightly or wrongly) is in the doghouse with fans--I just don't see it working.
Here is the deal.

David Carr's comments in the locker room after the loss to SF kind of made my blood boil. Yes as fans we can root for us to get the number one pick, but as players they need to go out their and at least try to kick some butt. I can't imagine the face of our franchise and the leader of this team being content with losing a game and finishing the season 2-14.

I don't have the link to his comments, I heard the sound byte on the radio. Feel free to post a link if you can find it.

texan279
01-06-2006, 01:05 AM
Or you could just cut Carr, sign someone like Brad Johnson for a year while VY learns.

Then you dont have both contracts on the books and can go out and spend in other areas.

McClain is starting to rally the base!!! :redtowel:

Brad Johnson wants to be the starter for the Vikings now...LINK (http://www.startribune.com/510/story/164016.html)

Having proven his ability to still be a starting quarterback in the NFL, Brad Johnson appears to be taking steps to ensure he doesn't begin the 2006 season as a backup.

According to a person with knowledge of the situation, Johnson told Rob Brzezinski, Vikings vice president of football operations, that he wants to be traded if he isn't going to remain the starter.

Hookem Horns
01-06-2006, 01:07 AM
Carr has made other comments too that I didn't care for like "I don't this is a must win but it is a must play well." He made that comment when the Texans were sitting at 0-3. I live in Austin and never once heard Vince Young make a comment like that. VY is all about winning.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-06-2006, 01:22 AM
I think Young jumped so high b/c he showed his savvy in such a hostile environment and his leadership when UT was down by 12.

For those of you that think Young did this only b/c USC was a bad defense ask AJ Hawk, Carpenter, and Schlegel how good of a runner he is. They'll all be NFL LB. Ask Ginn, Jr and Youboty and Haslem how well of a passer he is. You can ask the entire Michigan team if he produces. I heard OU and TTU is already gameplanning to try to slow him down in the Big 12 next year b/c they don't want to be embarrassed again.

Look, I'm a Tech fan and I hate admitting it but I watch him every weekend b/c FoxSports SW always has UT games televised and he is ridiculous. I know we have Carr loyalists but after 4 years of non-production you've got to be open to critique even if the guy is your favorite. We don't have to pick up his option.

Titanic
01-06-2006, 06:26 AM
I'd just like to end the dream of Mcnair being a Texan. It's looking more and more like he'll be a Titan again next year, and probably for two more. His "cap issue" is a 50 million dollar roster bonus than can be completely avoided with a 1 million dollar buyout, then we just have to sign him to a new deal. I really hope you guys take Reggie and somehow Vince slips to three. That would be a perfect scenario...

Grid
01-06-2006, 06:31 AM
My perfect scenario would involve trading down with yall and getting your #1, #2, and #3.. yall get Vince Young.. NO gets Lienart.. we get Bush and 2 more picks :)

Titanic
01-06-2006, 06:40 AM
We traded our three for Travis Henry(At this point not looking so hot). I think the chances of the Titans trading up is pretty slim, we're going to purge some more vets this offseason(not cap this time, just a lot of disappointing players) and we'll need picks to replenish the roster. We'll have a little bit of money for FA this year too, but we're gonna need at least one safety, a vet WR, a linebacker or two, and probably an offensive lineman, and that's assuming we manage to re-up Vandenbosch. If we trade up I'll be shocked.

Texans Horror
01-06-2006, 08:49 AM
P.S. For you people that keep saying "Vince had one good game .... blah blah", it's obvious you have been not been watching much UT football. VY has been having these types of games consistantly for almost 2 seasons now. One was last year's Rose Bowl, was that "one good game" also? The deal about VY is when he has the ball you just know he isn't going to lose. Once Texas stopped USC on that 4th and 2 I knew Texas was going to win because the game was then in VY's hands.

Additionally, like with Reggie Bush, every team that plays the Horns knows that the key is containing Vince. They have known it for over a year. Michigan couldn't do it. Ohio State couldn't do it. And USC couldn't do it.

HJam72
01-06-2006, 09:05 AM
We all wanted to see Bush against the #1 defense. Then, Young had that great game. What did USC's defense rank? That's what I'd like to know because it would help a little in judging Young's performance.

Marcus
01-06-2006, 09:18 AM
I'm about to jump into the "hype these guys then trade the pick" bandwagon.
Well, if you DO jump into it, don't be surprised to find Bob McNair behind the steering wheel and Charlie Casserly riding shotgun. But fan/media pressure will FORCE them to pull over and get out with PO'd looks on their faces.

This, in the end, is how I think this thing is going to play out. They are not going to be able to do what they think is best for the team.

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