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Texan in Japan
01-05-2006, 04:15 PM
After the Rose Bowl, my son and I talked about who we could trade Carr to if VY did come out and we took him #1.

I'm interested in what ya'll think...I've got to head to work, but will post our thoughts later.

Any ideas?

Sportsfan
01-05-2006, 04:18 PM
They'd probably get some good players for him. According to some of J. McClains sources there are reportedly a bunch of teams that have shown interest in Carr, but its not even worth talking about now since Casserly already stated that Carr is staying.

zeplin
01-05-2006, 04:21 PM
CARR IS STAYING SO FORGET VY. It just not going to happen!!

Grid
01-05-2006, 04:22 PM
your gonna pay the 8 million extension so you can trade him? doesnt sound very smart. If you DONT pay the extension he is a free agent and you cant trade him.

michaelm
01-05-2006, 04:26 PM
As far as I remember, Casserly said they were going to pick up the option on Carr's contract and also that Lienart wouldn't be with the Texans next year.
This doesn't preclude signing Carr and then trading him...
Also, this was all before VY lit the world on fire, and at the time it seemed a lot more likely that VY wasn't coming out.
If he comes out, I will allow the Texans a mulligan with their draft strategy...

UGA
01-05-2006, 04:29 PM
your gonna pay the 8 million extension so you can trade him? doesnt sound very smart. If you DONT pay the extension he is a free agent and you cant trade him.

if im not mistaken a team that picked him up in the trade would be on the hook for the contract.

we could get a 1st rounder for Carr... he is thought of pretty well by many teams since he's young, tough and has a live arm.

he could be traded to the Jets. they arent getting Bush, Leinert or Young with their pick and they need a young qb for the future since Chad "whiffle ball" Pennington has a glass shoulder.

Chaft
01-05-2006, 04:34 PM
I doubt Carr would fetch a 1st rounder in a trade due to the base salary in his contract per year. It's $5 million. That's a lot of money considering this $5 million figure was negotiated before Carr was signed as a rookie. The salary would be appropriate for a Pro Bowler at QB. 2nd round pick max.

Also, the Texans would get decimated next year with the cap hit from the acceleration of the option bonus. No 2nd round pick is worth that much.

Hookem Horns
01-05-2006, 04:37 PM
Casserly already stated that Carr is staying.

The bigger problem is Casserly is staying. That loser shouldn't even be here making any decisions.

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2006, 04:58 PM
:redtowel: Carr to the Raiders for Robert Gallery . I hope this does'nt get me another - mark .

awtysst
01-05-2006, 05:04 PM
After the Rose Bowl, my son and I talked about who we could trade Carr to if VY did come out and we took him #1.

I'm interested in what ya'll think...I've got to head to work, but will post our thoughts later.

Any ideas?

If we want Vince Young and I am sayign IF we do here is what we oughta do:

We sign Carr to a two year deal and have Vince SIT for the season. During that time we showcase Carr and show off his prowess. At the end of the season we then dangle Carr to teams that need a QB. We can likely pick up a second rounder for Carr if he can have a good season. Perhaps some team would be desperate enough to give up a first. I would let Vince sit and learn the system and then let him go at it in 07. But then again, my name is not Charlie Casserly or Mr. McNair so...:twocents:

ledzeppelin229
01-05-2006, 05:27 PM
It won't happen. The front office views Carr as a viable option, and they view his relative lack of consistent success as being due to his coaching. They will give him at least one, probably two more years, before shopping him around.

Even if it did, and I am not sure how the money works (MorKnolle? Care to enlighten?), but I believe some of that 8 mil would be guaranteed bonus money. As it is, right now, he is receiving guaranteed bonus money that we would have to eat in a trade.

There are several teams that would kill to put this guy on their roster, but because of his relative lack of statistical success, I doubt if any one would give up a whole lot for him, at this point in his career. His potential is there, but inevitably, he will be viewed as damaged goods that come at the risk of imminent breakdown, unless he turns it around here first.

The problem with giving him another chance is that if he doesn't succeed after new coaching and a better line, the pool of current excuses will have dried up and his trade value will have diminished. Casserly and them, if they keep Carr, BETTER BE CONVINCED those are the real problems. If Casserly gives him another chance to succeed to save a little more face ala Tony Hollings, and screws this franchise over even more...well, I would not want to be Charley Casserly.

CaptainPatriot
01-05-2006, 05:42 PM
They'd probably get some good players for him. According to some of J. McClains sources there are reportedly a bunch of teams that have shown interest in Carr, but its not even worth talking about now since Casserly already stated that Carr is staying.

Here in lies are problem (cASSerly)! How is it he still here? With his 3rd round draft picks formula!:brickwall

bubbajaxonbrown
01-05-2006, 05:52 PM
This is a dumb dream but...

Trade Carr to NO for their pick since noone wants to go there. They're as desparate for a QB as we are to get rid of damaged goods. We now have the top 2 picks in the draft. Pick Bush #1, Young #2 and start over with a new coach. It would be like getting another shot at expansion.

I know this will not happen b/c Casserly wouldn't want to admit any of his #1 picks were wrong. Unfortunately we're riding Carr all the way until it's either too late or he is an MVP. But it sure is fun to imagin a Young/Bush backfield to move forward with (especially with this OL).

Honoring Earl 34
01-05-2006, 06:22 PM
:redtowel: Its always better to trade a player a year early rather than a year late . If the Texans are going to keep Carr they better do it quick( bonus ) .

bigcarlos
01-05-2006, 07:33 PM
a 3rd round sounds fair

Doom Capers
01-05-2006, 07:38 PM
I could see Carr going to the Raiders, Dolphins, or even Redskins and doing pretty well.

HJam72
01-05-2006, 07:50 PM
But, how could we not take young? This guy is a once in a century QB. Look what he did. He can outrun speeding locomotives and leap over tall buildings in a single bound. He can do everything Bush could do before the Rose Bowl when he lost his powers. :)

Texan in Japan
01-06-2006, 04:17 AM
If we want Vince Young and I am sayign IF we do here is what we oughta do:

We sign Carr to a two year deal and have Vince SIT for the season. During that time we showcase Carr and show off his prowess. At the end of the season we then dangle Carr to teams that need a QB. We can likely pick up a second rounder for Carr if he can have a good season. Perhaps some team would be desperate enough to give up a first. I would let Vince sit and learn the system and then let him go at it in 07. But then again, my name is not Charlie Casserly or Mr. McNair so...:twocents:

That is certainly one possibility if we used the CIN approach and if he has success then his value in a trade would be higher, if we still decided to trade him.

Texan in Japan
01-06-2006, 04:33 AM
I've always been pro-Carr, while my son has never liked him much. IMHO his value is higher now because of the following...

- He's proven to be almost indestructable; no QB has taken the beatings David has and he keeps coming back...seems Jets, Rams, etc. could really appreciate that attribute

- He's got great physical tools

- He's a solid citizen

- He's survived despite, questionable coaching, line play and supporting cast

- His stats aren't really that bad

Put all of that together and market him to places like New York (Jets), Miami, Oakland, Arizona, St. Louis, Green Bay, Tampa Bay and New Orleans. See who comes up w/best package. Again, IMHO I think he's worth gambling a mid-to-late 1st pick. I mean if Drew Henson was worth a 3rd, c'mon. If we could get a high 2nd from one of those teams with a TBD pick in 07 (say 1-4) then I'd be happy to add VY and send David to a fresh start.

I really don't want to dump Carr, but VY just seems to have the total pkg. The way he hangs in against the rush and ALWAYS makes the big play. He's just a pure WINNER.

Now I understand that we need much more to make us competitive and believe that DC's value could help us fill some more holes.

For example, we could send Carr, Morency to ARZ for their 1st and change. Gives them possibly two starters and allows them to address other needs. There are many possibilities. Many times we don't appreciate what we've got...there are far worse QBs to have than DC, but VY just seems special.

Texan in Japan
01-06-2006, 08:45 PM
Found this piece and thought it was well laid out. Guy makes very good marketing points for VY, but also sets an intriguing trade scenario for Carr.

http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/youngCarr.htm

CARR HEADING WEST IF YOUNG DECLARES?

dtran04
01-06-2006, 09:32 PM
Thats pretty good speculation showing some thought into it but I doubt that happens. The cap hit we would take is HUGE. Although that is a scenario that would help both sides I think. David Carr might be too much of a pretty boy to be a Raider though. heh. He would have the opportunity to be in a system that fits him and I think he could flourish there. But then again, he has that same chance of doing well here with a new coach. Who knows.....I don't want to be the one making the decisions.

DRAMA
01-06-2006, 10:17 PM
:redtowel: Carr to the Raiders for Robert Gallery . I hope this does'nt get me another - mark .


Forget the bonus, just pull a MADDEN 2006 - F-tag him and then we're DONE! :)

edo783
01-06-2006, 10:29 PM
The Raiders are like 30 million OVER the cap. They can't afford squat.

Hervoyel
01-06-2006, 10:44 PM
:redtowel: Its always better to trade a player a year early rather than a year late . If the Texans are going to keep Carr they better do it quick( bonus ) .

I think that goes more like "It's always better to trade a player even if it kills your cap if you've just seen a local guy who plays the exact same position as that player win an exciting bowl game"

If the Reggie Bush love was over the top then the Vince Young love is just getting crazy-stupid.

Oh yeah, and anybody who does a deal with the Raiders for anything is friggin crazy. Send David Carr to the Raiders and he'll be in the Pro Bowl before we break .500 and that's a promise. Every time I see my team (Oilers then Texans) deal with Al Davis I cringe.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2006, 10:46 PM
I think that goes more like "It's always better to trade a player even if it kills your cap if you've just seen a local guy who plays the exact same position as that player win an exciting bowl game"

If the Reggie Bush love was over the top then the Vince Young love is just getting crazy-stupid.

Yeah everyone has focused their man crush on VY after Bush embarrased them at the big dance.

Honoring Earl 34
01-06-2006, 10:51 PM
:redtowel: In any sport if you trade a guy a year early he has more value . A hitter bats 300 and your offered a really good deal but wait I'll hold him and maybe I'll get a better deal and he hits 230 ....OUCH .

Texan in Japan
01-06-2006, 11:18 PM
We haven't faired well with OAK deals, but the piece does lay out the scenario pretty well and OAK wouldn't be the only team interested.

Napa Auto Parts
01-06-2006, 11:43 PM
In All Honesty the way David carr has played the most we could get for him would be a fourth rounder may be a 3rd rounder if casserly was the other teams GM.:twocents:

TexanBacker93
01-07-2006, 01:28 AM
This is a dumb dream but...

Trade Carr to NO for their pick since noone wants to go there. They're as desparate for a QB as we are to get rid of damaged goods. We now have the top 2 picks in the draft. Pick Bush #1, Young #2 and start over with a new coach. It would be like getting another shot at expansion.

I know this will not happen b/c Casserly wouldn't want to admit any of his #1 picks were wrong. Unfortunately we're riding Carr all the way until it's either too late or he is an MVP. But it sure is fun to imagin a Young/Bush backfield to move forward with (especially with this OL).

It actually wouldn't happen because a)teams won't give up a #1 for a 4 year vet QB that hasn't come into his own. b)the Texans won't take the cap hit that will come with trading him.

If they decide to go another route, he will just not be given the extension.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-07-2006, 01:30 AM
It actually wouldn't happen because a)teams won't give up a #1 for a 4 year vet QB that hasn't come into his own. b)the Texans won't take the cap hit that will come with trading him.

If they decide to go another route, he will just not be given the extension.

I just said it was dumb...........???????????????/

TexanBacker93
01-07-2006, 01:33 AM
You said it was a dumb dream because Casserly wouldn't be smart enough to do it. I'll admit he's shown questionable ability, but that's not the reason a trade won't happen.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-07-2006, 01:37 AM
You said it was a dumb dream because Casserly wouldn't be smart enough to do it. I'll admit he's shown questionable ability, but that's not the reason a trade won't happen.

No, that was just my cheap shot at CC! Noone would give up a chance at Young for Carr at this point. Not even the #32.

texan279
01-07-2006, 02:04 AM
In All Honesty the way David carr has played the most we could get for him would be a fourth rounder may be a 3rd rounder if casserly was the other teams GM.:twocents:

So we would get less for Carr than we did for Drew Henson? And no, I am not implying Carr is worth 8 1st round picks or anything...

sakebomb
01-07-2006, 06:54 AM
I'm pretty sure that we have to give Carr the option before trading him. If that's the case we would get nailed with a huge cap hit.

common_fan
01-07-2006, 07:14 AM
let's trade Carr to the....Longhorns....:yahoo:

Hottoddie
01-07-2006, 01:35 PM
Found this piece and thought it was well laid out. Guy makes very good marketing points for VY, but also sets an intriguing trade scenario for Carr.

http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/youngCarr.htm

CARR HEADING WEST IF YOUNG DECLARES?

It's a good thing some of the posters on this board are not the GM of the Texans.

I like the guy's trade scenario. However, there are some other scenarios that I believe could play out, if we drafted Young.

1) Mark Berman (Fox26 Sports) suggested, the other night, that if we were unable to work a suitable trade for Carr in time, that we could decline to pick up his $8 million option & place the Franchise Tag on him. While we would never be able to get 2) #1 picks for him, doing that would allow us to continue shopping him around for the best deal possible.

2) With New Orleans(#2), Tennessee(#3), NY Jets(#4), Oakland(#6 or 7), Miami(#16), & possibly Detroit(#9) or Arizona(#10) all needing a QB, there should be some serious interest in a player like Carr. Everyone in the league knows about Houston's blocking problems. Carr has proven to be very tough & durable. He's got a strong & very accurate arm to go along with a great pair of wheels. I truely believe that we could get a #1 pick for him. I could see us doing a trade something like this:

I think it would take Carr & one of our 3rd round picks to get one of the #2-4 picks in this draft. I doubt New Orleans would do it, because I hear that he's a cheap owner, but Tennessee & the Jets might.

The Oakland, Detroit, & Arizona picks might require us to throw in a 4th & possibly a future later round pick (#5-7).

3) A third scenario that I could see happening is that we get a #1 pick next year. That'd give us two #1 picks in next year's draft, which could come in real handy for trading up & getting Adrian Peterson, if he comes out. For all the Bush lovers, there's your Franchise back. Peterson has the size to run between the tackles & speed to get around the corner.

4) And, of course, there'll be several trade possibilities involving us taking back a matching salary, while picking up some extra draft picks. I believe I read an article a while back, that the Jets were rumored to be willing to offer their #1 pick & John Abraham for Drew Brees. I'm not positive that these were the exact terms of the trade rumor. But, if it were true, I'd have to see if they'd be interested in Carr for a similar trade.

ATX
01-07-2006, 01:42 PM
Phillip buchanon went for a 2nd and 3rd rounder. I think Carr can do alot better than that. I'd be willing to bet a team would give up a mid first rounder for Carr easy.

MorKnolle
01-07-2006, 02:18 PM
Phillip buchanon went for a 2nd and 3rd rounder. I think Carr can do alot better than that. I'd be willing to bet a team would give up a mid first rounder for Carr easy.

That was Casserly making that trade on this end after listening to the Raiders garbage about how he was a good CB and not researching him properly, no one is going give up a 1st round pick for David Carr, maybe a 2nd rounder but that's $8 million against our cap for a 2nd round pick.

Napa Auto Parts
01-07-2006, 02:49 PM
So we would get less for Carr than we did for Drew Henson? And no, I am not implying Carr is worth 8 1st round picks or anything...




Yes other teams never saw drew stink it up in the nfl thats one advantage we had. who in their right mind would even give us a first for carr:twocents:

Texan in Japan
01-08-2006, 02:33 AM
It's a good thing some of the posters on this board are not the GM of the Texans.

I like the guy's trade scenario. However, there are some other scenarios that I believe could play out, if we drafted Young.

1) Mark Berman (Fox26 Sports) suggested, the other night, that if we were unable to work a suitable trade for Carr in time, that we could decline to pick up his $8 million option & place the Franchise Tag on him. While we would never be able to get 2) #1 picks for him, doing that would allow us to continue shopping him around for the best deal possible.

2) With New Orleans(#2), Tennessee(#3), NY Jets(#4), Oakland(#6 or 7), Miami(#16), & possibly Detroit(#9) or Arizona(#10) all needing a QB, there should be some serious interest in a player like Carr. Everyone in the league knows about Houston's blocking problems. Carr has proven to be very tough & durable. He's got a strong & very accurate arm to go along with a great pair of wheels. I truely believe that we could get a #1 pick for him. I could see us doing a trade something like this:

I think it would take Carr & one of our 3rd round picks to get one of the #2-4 picks in this draft. I doubt New Orleans would do it, because I hear that he's a cheap owner, but Tennessee & the Jets might.

The Oakland, Detroit, & Arizona picks might require us to throw in a 4th & possibly a future later round pick (#5-7).

3) A third scenario that I could see happening is that we get a #1 pick next year. That'd give us two #1 picks in next year's draft, which could come in real handy for trading up & getting Adrian Peterson, if he comes out. For all the Bush lovers, there's your Franchise back. Peterson has the size to run between the tackles & speed to get around the corner.

4) And, of course, there'll be several trade possibilities involving us taking back a matching salary, while picking up some extra draft picks. I believe I read an article a while back, that the Jets were rumored to be willing to offer their #1 pick & John Abraham for Drew Brees. I'm not positive that these were the exact terms of the trade rumor. But, if it were true, I'd have to see if they'd be interested in Carr for a similar trade.

A recent article in the Sporting News talks about the bad QB play in the NFL. Given the need for good QBs, I think a strong case/marketing campaign can be made for Carr. I certainly think we could get a #1 for him and if we're able to get multiple team interested in bidding, maybe more.

Wolf
01-08-2006, 07:06 PM
First it was Carr for Ricky Williams and a pick or two (if I remember)


http://www.nlscouting.com/Spotlights/youngCarr.htm


One look at Carr's resume will show that the four-year starter has thrown just 48 touchdowns against 53 interceptions, but that over the past two years his ratio has improved to 30:25, while he has completed over 60% of his passes. He's also been sack-and-fumble prone, losing 15 fumbles and being sacked 208 times, an average of 52 per year. On the plus side, he has very good mobility, gaining over 1,000 yards rushing in his career, terrific toughness and durability, as he has started 59 of 60 career games, and the arm strength to throw the long ball with impressive touch. He completed 69% of his passes on second down this year, but an inconsistent ground attack caused his percentage to slip on third down. The most impressive part of his stat line is that between the opponents' 19-and-goal line (red zone) he threw eight touchdowns against just one interception.

So, now that we know the background on Carr and his contract status… where could the Texans find an ideal trading partner? Well, it would have to be a team that needs a starting quarterback, has a few high picks or young prospects, and finally the cap room to accept both Carr, and give him a new long-term contract. Where would we find such a place, easy, the Oakland Raiders. The Raiders will likely release veteran quarterback Kerry Collins, thus clearing out over $12 million dollars in cap space, secondly, Carr's arm strength, mobility and the fact that he would be returning to the West Coast, a place he knows and has very fond memories, since he grew up in Bakersfield, California before starring at Fresno State, definitely plays into what the Raiders desire in a future signal caller.

The Raiders would likely have to part with their 2006 second round choice (#39), which would give the Texans three of the Top-40 picks (#1, #33, #39) and a total of five choices on day one, as well as a potential young starting player along the lines of defensive back Nnamdi Asomugha, wide receiver Doug Gabriel or defensive lineman Tommy Kelly, as well as a conditional-type 2007 draft choice, possibly a third-or-fourth rounder that could convert into a second round choice based on Carr's playing time with the Raiders in 2006

ArlingtonTexan
01-08-2006, 07:09 PM
This is not even a rumor, but total speculation by one guy.

Hottoddie
01-08-2006, 07:11 PM
Wolf,

This was already posted in this thread. It's post #22.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=16646

Wolf
01-08-2006, 07:12 PM
true
I couldn't get the title changed after I hit submit :confused:

edo783
01-08-2006, 08:34 PM
The Raiders would make some sort of sense, but that deal is in left field. No way they give that up. POSSIBLY a second this year and MAYBE a conditional second next year that could upgrade to a 1st or maybe an additional 3 or something. Now if we were to somehow able to renegotiate his contract into something that is cap friendly......well then, we could hit some decent picks.

Hervoyel
01-08-2006, 08:47 PM
I love how the people who have a crush on Vince Young say that Carr isn't good enough, does "x" number of things wrong, and has failed but threads like this still appear with all kinds of insane scenarios for getting value out of the guy somehow.

It can't be both ways guys. Carr is either good enough and thus there's no reason to draft Vince Young or Carr isn't good enough and nobody else is going to give up anything reasonable to get him.

Carr's not going anywhere. Vince Young is going somewhere but it ain't Houston.

E-Dawg
01-09-2006, 10:45 PM
After the Rose Bowl, my son and I talked about who we could trade Carr to if VY did come out and we took him #1.

I'm interested in what ya'll think...I've got to head to work, but will post our thoughts later.

Any ideas?

David Carr is worth a lot less then people might think, but it's not that relevant. His value is somewhere between an end of 1st round and 3rd round pick. The value is not that meaningful given the Texans have 5 of the first 70 picks in this draft already. What is meaningful is the decision to go with Vince or Reggie. You got to go with Vini Vidi Vici. Figure out the financial stuff and swallow some pride Charlie.