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Marcus
01-05-2006, 12:57 AM
Can you say overhyped?

I got to see this 'future Gale Sayers' get chased down by a linebacker on the outside, stuffed on the inside, and outperformed by a better pro prospect, Lendale White. I wanted to see how he would do against some decent competition, so I could have some idea how he would do in the NFL.

I was so impressed. :rolleyes:

Trade the pick and let's get some decent players.

txnfan4eva
01-05-2006, 01:00 AM
Thank you!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone sees the light!!!!

Jack Bauer
01-05-2006, 01:00 AM
Not many on this board will want to trade the pick now. They will want to pick Vince with the number one pick!

zeplin
01-05-2006, 01:00 AM
Can you say overhyped?

I got to see this 'future Gale Sayers' get chased down by a linebacker on the outside, stuffed on the inside, and outperformed by a better pro prospect, Lendale White. I wanted to see how he would do against some decent competition, so I could have some idea how he would do in the NFL.

I was so impressed. :rolleyes:

Trade the pick and let's get some decent players.



Amen Brother
Reggie WHO?????:homer:

UzaHO
01-05-2006, 01:01 AM
You failed to mention he had 90 yards recieving. He is still in my optinion one of the more dynamic playmakers coming out of college.

Runner
01-05-2006, 01:02 AM
The Texas defense was certainly more of a challenge than Fresno State's. Leinart looked good. I'd think Young would come out now that his legacy is secure. The draft is going to be VERY interesting.

Everybody buckle your seatbelts.

houstonhurricane
01-05-2006, 01:05 AM
Seriously,

It is fine to disagree on how to use the number one pick, but are you saying that our pick should be based on one single college game? How many games of Brick's have you watched and graded? NFL scouts will evaluate Bush and others during individual workouts and combines, etc. and watch film throughout a season(s) - not on a single game. Kid has incredible burst, great hands and picked up some great blocks during UT blitzes. I don't mean to lecture, but it sounds like a somewhat uninformed argument that you are attempting to make...

Texans86
01-05-2006, 01:07 AM
LenDale White clearly showed he will be the better NFL back. He got the tough yards up the middle. I'd would take him anyday over Bush. Of course, I don't really want a running back in this draft. Hopefully he will stay for senior year and we'll see how he comes out next year.

txnfan4eva
01-05-2006, 01:09 AM
I have to give Bush his props, he is athletic, but not worthy of the number 1 pick. He just faced a top ranked team and a very good defense and didn't do much of anything. In the NFL, at RB, speed isn't everything. Look at all the great RBs in history and see how many of them were truly that fast.

NWTexan Fan
01-05-2006, 01:11 AM
Seriously,

It is fine to disagree on how to use the number one pick, but are you saying that our pick should be based on one single college game? How many games of Brick's have you watched and graded? NFL scouts will evaluate Bush and others during individual workouts and combines, etc. and watch film throughout a season(s) - not on a single game. Kid has incredible burst, great hands and picked up some great blocks during UT blitzes. I don't mean to lecture, but it sounds like a somewhat uninformed argument that you are attempting to make...

So true...as I was watching the game I KNEW that there would be umpteen threads saying "Bush Sucks!"

If you don't think Bush is right for Houston, then you don't. But to say "Gee, now that I've watched the Rose Bowl, Houston shouldn't pick him" is the most unintelligent thing I've heard.

RTP2110
01-05-2006, 01:12 AM
Reggie Bush = Tony Hollings

eriadoc
01-05-2006, 01:12 AM
I've been under the impression for some time that Bush's skill set will not translate well into the NFL at the running back position. I am not saying he's not a playmaker, but he's not going to be able to get the corner against NFL-speed defenses. He's not going to have all the open space in the NFL that he had against Oregon or Fresno State, for instance. He's going to have to run between the tackles, break some tackles, and make people miss in tight traffic. He hasn't shown he can do that, IMO (not tonight, not all year). I have been saying for a long while and tonight drives it home a bit more for me -- Bush is the next coming of Eric Metcalf. He's not an NFL running back. LenDale White's style of running translates well into the NFL and that is the back I'd like to see in Houston to complement DD (maybe not White specifically, but a 235-lb. athletic back).

PapaL
01-05-2006, 01:14 AM
272 all purpose yards 1 TD seriously sucks.

From CBS, Reggie Bush Stats:

82 rush 1 TD
89 rec
101 kickoff

To each his own.

Bubbajwp
01-05-2006, 01:15 AM
I'm not a huge bush and I dont realy care if we take him Vince or trade. But Texas was playing more DB to help control bush. Which helped L White. Also IMO Bush didnt seem to be a big part of the Trojan's offensive plans.

Bubbajwp
01-05-2006, 01:16 AM
Reggie Bush = Tony Hollings
Worst comparison of all time.
I realy hope you were being Sarcastic.

DeclanJr
01-05-2006, 01:20 AM
I don't care if it is unintelligent, after watching Reggie tonight I am convinced that we should trade the pick! Before tonight I would have said take him with the #1 pick, but things change and players come out in big games!!! Trade the pick unless Vince Young comes out...:drool:

Texans86
01-05-2006, 01:22 AM
VY is going to think tonight about coming out. He just talked about it in his interview on ESPN

houstonhurricane
01-05-2006, 01:22 AM
Right, now we need to pick up a rookie quarterback to help right the ship. Come on, let's have a serious dialogue on this...

bubbajaxonbrown
01-05-2006, 01:22 AM
I just think whomever plays better against the best opposition is the BEST. The UT Defense was the best opposition USC had seen all year. Unfortunately the Ohio State Defense was the best UT had seen all year. I have seen Young play like this week in and week out in the Big 12 and if he came out this year I would seriously push for him to be our #1 pick and focus on the future.

Johnny Utah
01-05-2006, 01:22 AM
Look at my avatar and I'll gladl'y say Reggie WHO? Trade down or bring on Vince. USC showed the faith they had in Bush by sitting him in the 2nd half.

Youngstown Colt
01-05-2006, 01:24 AM
Calm down people, it's just one game! Reggie still made his play to impact the game like he always does.

Thinking irrationally get's you Jason Babin and Buchannon. Look at the big picture, and stop acting like Bush doesn't deserve to be in the conversation of the #1 pick because one game he didn't have 300 yards.

houstonhurricane
01-05-2006, 01:26 AM
Exactly. Some of you are pretty amazing. You react to situations immediately rather than sitting back and trying to become more informed. Heck, half of you posting for Vince Young were probably screaming this a.m. that we need to trade the first pick for offensive linemen.

Bubbajwp
01-05-2006, 01:32 AM
Can you imagine a backfield of V Young, R Bush, DD.
With AJ and J Mathis.:pigfly:

Jack Bauer
01-05-2006, 01:36 AM
I still believe Bush is a TOP tier NFL RB talent. I just saw what Vince did in this game and he completely converted me. I have watched him all year, but to see what he did in this game...words just can't describe it.

eriadoc
01-05-2006, 01:37 AM
Feel free to check my posting history :) ... I have been opposed to taking Bush for as long as it's been a topic on this board. I am not saying Bush is not a great college player, or even that he didn't have a good night. I just think his style of play does not translate well to the NFL and we'd be better served taking a stud left tackle in the 1st round. The knee-jerk reactionists that came out in droves after Bush's 500+ yard game were far worse than anything I've seen here tonight. He's not a once-in-40-year talent and he's not an absolute no-brainer of a #1 overall pick. He's a very good college player who, just like many other college players, may turn out to be a bust or may not. Personally, I think he's the next coming of Eric Metcalf - a guy that made 3 Pro Bowls and even had a 1000-yd receiving year. That is not, however, a once-in-40-year talent or the "Michael Jordan of Football", etc. - whatever the hype says.

HoustonFan
01-05-2006, 01:38 AM
OK. I got to watch a full game of both squads. And I'll say I was pulling for Reggie, but still wanted UT to win.

This was obviously a bad day at the office for Reggie - though he did have a TD, and maybe had 100+ yds. Lendale White outshined him. But even w/ that being said Vince eclipsed them both together, by himself.

At the end of this game, guess what.... WE STILL HAVE THE NUMBER ONE PICK in the DRAFT!!!!!:yahoo: :ok:

How does everyone feel about getting the necessary pieces to the Texans' puzzle now???

houstonhurricane
01-05-2006, 01:40 AM
eriadoc,

that is fine and sounds like a logical analysis. however, the NFL is a business and decisions aren't made on the basis of one college game like many posters believe it should be. let's look at the film, combines, etc. of all the players we are interested in before determining whether we should trade down or who to take at number one. watching the Rose Bowl from your living room doesn't make any of us truly "informed" on these players.

Nighthawk
01-05-2006, 01:45 AM
Right, now we need to pick up a rookie quarterback to help right the ship. Come on, let's have a serious dialogue on this...

If Young comes out and no big negatives emerge between now and draft day I think we should:
(a) draft Young #1
(b) lose Carr (by trade in best case, even if if it's a bad trade)
(c) sign a nice safe free agent like Kitna (or similar) in caste you want to work Young in slowly (over a year or two).

Nighthawk
01-05-2006, 01:47 AM
Personally, I think he's [Bush] the next coming of Eric Metcalf - a guy that made 3 Pro Bowls and even had a 1000-yd receiving year. That is not, however, a once-in-40-year talent or the "Michael Jordan of Football", etc. - whatever the hype says.

From the look of it, Vince Young is the Michael Jordan of football, or as close to it as I've seen. And what's MOST interesting, given his size, accuracy, escapability, quickness, speed on the ball, etc etc) it WILL TRANSLATE directly into the NFL.

tulexan
01-05-2006, 01:49 AM
This is pretty much what I expected to happen. Reggie had an average game to his standards and everyone is calling him a bust. Everyone was expecting him to put up another 500 all purpose yards and he didn't.

He is still the best player in college football and will still be the #1 pick. We have a quarterback and we don't need to draft Vince Young so he can sit on the bench for two years while he is collecting his $50 Million dollar contract.

Someone else said this and it is true. All week we have been hearing about how we should trade down and fill all of the holes on our team. We have been hearing how we don't need a running back because we already have one that is good. We just need a line. Now Vince Young has a great game and we should draft him. What about all of the holes on our team? What about the line? Don't we already have a quarterback?

Try to have some consistency in your arguments. If you thought that we have holes on our team and that we should trade down, then you should still think that we have holes on our team and we should trade down. If you think that we already have a good running back, just that he doesn't have a line, then you should think that the situation is the same with our quarter back.

Charley Casserly or Bob McNair could care less about the University of Texas. They are not going to pick a guy just because he is good and from the area.

dtran04
01-05-2006, 01:56 AM
Problem with Young is that they do not run anything resembling an NFL contract. That zone read play will never work. He's a couple years from becoming a very good QB. He definitely has the skills though.

SESupergenius
01-05-2006, 01:58 AM
Settle down, your euphoria of the Longhorns winning is overshadowing Bushes performance. He had very good numbers for the plays he was called upon to do. He had a TD so it's not like he was shutout or anything. His numbers were solid against a good defense.

rockabilly
01-05-2006, 02:01 AM
IT WAS ONE GAME.

That last pass of the game to Reggie, if the blocker was ONE more foot to the left of the sideline, Reggie would of been gone for the TD, and this thread wouldnt even be here. Sure Young played a great game...but he IS NOT COMING HERE. Reggie didnt get enough playing time to even make that much of an impact....but he still had 100 yards.

How 'Bout Them Texans???
01-05-2006, 02:02 AM
what's stopping bush from screwing up in a superbowl when he's being hyped by the media?

I like the idea of a player that shows the media that their words mean nothing, instead of dwelling upon them to the point of not living up to their unrealistic standards.

LORK 88
01-05-2006, 02:03 AM
lol, Im loving how now all of the sudden it seems Bush is out of favor on this site. I've been saying trade down all along, and Bush proved it to me. He had decent numbers, yes, but all he did on his runs is bounce them outside as fast as he could. Thats not going to work in the NFL with more speed.

Grid
01-05-2006, 02:03 AM
His numbers were alright.. though they were entirely overshadowed by Whites numbers.

What bothers me isnt that he put up alright numbers.. its the way he put them up.

his speed was not impressive.. good...but not great. He did not appear to have very good cutback ability at all.. and his running was all about making a Bline for the sideline, and hope that he could turn the corner.

The Texas defense is not as fast as MOST NFL defenses. That "run the the sidelines" crap is gonna cause alot of lost yardage.

I have seen the highlight reel.. what I didnt see from him tonight was him showing his ability to juke and pick up tough yards against a defense that didnt lay down for him.

tulexan
01-05-2006, 02:04 AM
If Reggie averaged his "horrible game" next year he would have around 4350 all purpose yards for the season.

dalemurphy
01-05-2006, 02:06 AM
Reggie Bush = Eric Metcalf...


by the way, that's not a criticism. However, it's not what you want from the #1 overall pick. I'd gladly trade the rights to Bush, Young, Leinart, and anyone else you can think of, in exchange for either of those 2 offensive lines tonight!

Jack Bauer
01-05-2006, 02:09 AM
If Reggie averaged his "horrible game" next year he would have around 4350 all purpose yards for the season.

I don't care who you are, that's funny! lol:

I think people are overreacting a little tonight! :) Bush had a fine game.

SESupergenius
01-05-2006, 02:10 AM
In the 1st quarter I saw Bush bounce to the outside because that is what the defense gave him and he ran right over a defender and took him on, something none of our current RB's do. I saw Bush at least twice go right up the middle with guys on his back. Did any of you even see his display of speed on his TD run? Come on people be a little unbiased and have some clear headed thinking.

Jack Bauer
01-05-2006, 02:14 AM
In the 1st quarter I saw Bush bounce to the outside because that is what the defense gave him and he ran right over a defender and took him on, something none of our current RB's do. I saw Bush at least twice go right up the middle with guys on his back. Did any of you even see his display of speed on his TD run? Come on people be a little unbiased and have some clear headed thinking.

Agreed. I saw the play where he ran over the defender. He is a great player!

TexanBacker93
01-05-2006, 02:16 AM
Not including kick returns Bush touched the ball 19 times for 177 yards. 9.3 yards every time he touches the ball is pretty good. White had a great game because Texas was playing to keep Bush contained and not stacking the middle. You saw at the end of the game that White could be stopped with a push in the middle. He'll have a Ron Dayne type career, but Bush was/is the better player of those 2. Does anyone really think an NFL defense gameplans to stop Domanick Davis? The Texans need other teams to fear what they can do. An offense with multiple threats causes the defenses to make mistakes and get on their heels. Bush will give the Texans that other threat.

rockabilly
01-05-2006, 02:20 AM
Not including kick returns Bush touched the ball 19 times for 177 yards. 9.3 yards every time he touches the ball is pretty good. White had a great game because Texas was playing to keep Bush contained and not stacking the middle. You saw at the end of the game that White could be stopped with a push in the middle. He'll have a Ron Dayne type career, but Bush was/is the better player of those 2. Does anyone really think an NFL defense gameplans to stop Domanick Davis? The Texans need other teams to fear what they can do. An offense with multiple threats causes the defenses to make mistakes and get on their heels. Bush will give the Texans that other threat.

Agreed. I knew as soon as Vince made that last TD, I would come home from watching the game and see all the Vince Young postings... One game does not make you.

Kyle Boller made how many TD passes a couple of games ago....does that make him Tom Brady? NO.

swtbound07
01-05-2006, 02:34 AM
the thing is, i've been against taking bush since post 1 off this offseason....my arguements that he wouldnt shine against a fast defense were met with... "wait till he runs over texas, 400 all purpose yards, he is the next gale sayers." Now that texas held him under a hundred yards on the ground we are hearing a lot of "It was just one game." If reggie goes for 400 all purpose with 2 tds people would be calling him the next coming of god. However, Vince young....you know, the most efficient passer in college football, the 1,000 rusher...goes out and puts up that 450 all purpose yard game and the mood swings to......well, he wont do that in the nfl, and, it was just one game. Im tired of the swings. Vince has been running over people all SEASON, thats why he was in new york for that little heisman trophy presentation. Im not gonna call the man the michael jordan of football, but seriously folks, its time to admit that reggie bush was overhyped, overrated, and made at least 3 BAD football decisions that i saw.

tulexan
01-05-2006, 02:39 AM
If holding a player in check means holding them to 270 all purpose yards and a touchdown, what does that say about the player?

How 'Bout Them Texans???
01-05-2006, 02:47 AM
i'd say the reason why everyone is saying "forget bush", is because vince young himself hinted at the chance of going to the draft THIS year. im sorry, but even before the texans won the "reggie bowl", or even before the media began to suck bush's balls for the whole season, i wouldnt have hesitated to say young is a better player to add to your overall lacking team than a RB would be. that's just common sense.

swtbound07
01-05-2006, 02:50 AM
If holding a player in check means holding them to 270 all purpose yards and a touchdown, what does that say about the player?

the man returned punts, and kickoffs...if i had a player who was touching the ball on EVERY FACET of the offense, i would expect at least 300 yards.....if vince young returned kicks he would have had 700 total yards...what exactly does 270 prove? That UT's Defense held gale sayers under 100 on the ground?

TexanBacker93
01-05-2006, 03:23 AM
the man returned punts, and kickoffs...if i had a player who was touching the ball on EVERY FACET of the offense, i would expect at least 300 yards.....if vince young returned kicks he would have had 700 total yards...what exactly does 270 prove? That UT's Defense held gale sayers under 100 on the ground?


6.3 yards per carry is very good. Not the 9 that he averaged during the season, but the only thing that "held" Bush under 100 yards was the fact that he only ran it 13 times.

Young had 40 passing attempts and 19 rushing attempts. That's 59 touches for 467 yards for those without an abacus.

Bush had 6 receptions for 95 yards, 13 rushes for 82 yards, and 5 kick returns for 102 yards. That's 24 touches for 279 yards. Give Bush as many opportunities as Young had and he puts up 650 yards.

I'm not sure what that proves, but I like to show off my math skills.

aj.
01-05-2006, 07:22 AM
The draft is going to be VERY interesting.

Everybody buckle your seatbelts.

Don't worry, Uncle Charley will show us the way.

Malloy
01-05-2006, 08:07 AM
Can you say overhyped?

I got to see this 'future Gale Sayers' get chased down by a linebacker on the outside, stuffed on the inside, and outperformed by a better pro prospect, Lendale White. I wanted to see how he would do against some decent competition, so I could have some idea how he would do in the NFL.

I was so impressed. :rolleyes:

Trade the pick and let's get some decent players.

I agree completely. Vs. a fast UT defense he looked sorta... human, just imagine how much more in trouble he'll be vs. a NFL defense that tackles even better.

This is not a Hate Bush thing, he's a great player. But to think that he's the saviour in pads for the Texans, that's wishful thinking at its best.

Trade down, sell out, buy new! :)

Malloy
01-05-2006, 08:11 AM
272 all purpose yards 1 TD seriously sucks.

From CBS, Reggie Bush Stats:

82 rush 1 TD
89 rec
101 kickoff

To each his own.

So based on that (yardage) we should use the number one pick on a punter because he'll get more yardage than anyone else?
Hell, Vince Young had like 450+ combined yards, take him!!...

TEXANRED
01-05-2006, 08:48 AM
Why would the Reggie supporters run and hide? Bush had 270 yards of total offense and a touchdown. In the world I live in thats pretty good. Whats your address?

Spoda
01-05-2006, 08:50 AM
[QUOTE=TexanBacker93]6.3 yards per carry is very good. Not the 9 that he averaged during the season, but the only thing that "held" Bush under 100 yards was the fact that he only ran it 13 times.


haha now that's funny..only 13 times?? maybe you should see how many times he averaged carrying the ball this year...actually don't..i'll tell you...it's 13....reggie can not carry the load in the NFL...he will have to be a flukie "line him up anywhere" kinda guy...the only thing is, he won't be faster than NFL corners...he won't even be much faster than some LB's in the NFL

take brick!!!!!!:challenge

geofb
01-05-2006, 08:52 AM
From the look of it, Vince Young is the Michael Jordan of football, or as close to it as I've seen. And what's MOST interesting, given his size, accuracy, escapability, quickness, speed on the ball, etc etc) it WILL TRANSLATE directly into the NFL.

He might be the Michael Jordon of COLLEGE football. But the NFL is a different ball game. QB's have a way of getting hurt in the NFL if they try to run like he does.

TEXANRED
01-05-2006, 08:54 AM
[QUOTE=TexanBacker93]6.3 yards per carry is very good. Not the 9 that he averaged during the season, but the only thing that "held" Bush under 100 yards was the fact that he only ran it 13 times.


haha now that's funny..only 13 times?? maybe you should see how many times he averaged carrying the ball this year...actually don't..i'll tell you...it's 13....reggie can not carry the load in the NFL...he will have to be a flukie "line him up anywhere" kinda guy...the only thing is, he won't be faster than NFL corners...he won't even be much faster than some LB's in the NFL

take brick!!!!!!:challenge
DD cant carry the load either. That why he misses 8 games a year.

Erratic Assassin
01-05-2006, 09:03 AM
Calm down people, it's just one game!

Yeah but it was a big game and UT's defense was a lot closer to what Bush will see in the NFL. If this one player can't make a difference on an absolutely great team, imagine what would happen on our sucky overmatched team.

I still don't see how drafting Bush helps our pass blocking problem. Until we fix that problem, we're going nowhere. You cannot get an outstanding LT in the later rounds and you're not going to get one in free agency either because NFL teams will hang on to them (because they are so hard to find, as we have demonstrated over the past 4 years).

chuckm
01-05-2006, 09:06 AM
Yeah but it was a big game and UT's defense was a lot closer to what Bush will see in the NFL. If this one player can't make a difference on an absolutely great team, imagine what would happen on our sucky overmatched team.


This is a great point ... but how would USC's defense relate to what Young will see in the NFL?

Spoda
01-05-2006, 09:20 AM
[QUOTE=Spoda]
DD cant carry the load either. That why he misses 8 games a year.


that's why we spent a third on morency ..took hollings in the second (supp) and should retain wells

get the picks and take brick!!!! for the love of god..he's Orlando Pace....have you watched virginia play?? after the snap with little effort he keeps his man at the LOS while everyone else is pushed back...

NederlandTexan
01-05-2006, 09:28 AM
Yeah but it was a big game and UT's defense was a lot closer to what Bush will see in the NFL. If this one player can't make a difference on an absolutely great team, imagine what would happen on our sucky overmatched team.

I still don't see how drafting Bush helps our pass blocking problem. Until we fix that problem, we're going nowhere. You cannot get an outstanding LT in the later rounds and you're not going to get one in free agency either because NFL teams will hang on to them (because they are so hard to find, as we have demonstrated over the past 4 years).

But the same hype that determined Reggie is the best all-around, is the same machine that is saying D'Brick is the shizz.

Runner
01-05-2006, 09:37 AM
[QUOTE=TEXANRED]


get the picks and take brick!!!! for the love of god..he's Orlando Pace....have you watched virginia play?? after the snap with little effort he keeps his man at the LOS while everyone else is pushed back...


Excellent! Reggie Bush is Gale Sayers and D'Brickashaw Ferguson is Orlando Pace. This smacks of the NBA always looking for the next Michael Jordan. I think these guys can all stand on their own - they certainly aren't carbon copies of anyone. Furthermore, Ferguson is NOT Pace if you look at their college careers. Pace had Heisman consideration while playing the line.

However, both will be good pros for the Texans or someone else.

TEXANRED
01-05-2006, 10:07 AM
Yeah but it was a big game and UT's defense was a lot closer to what Bush will see in the NFL. If this one player can't make a difference on an absolutely great team, imagine what would happen on our sucky overmatched team.

I still don't see how drafting Bush helps our pass blocking problem. Until we fix that problem, we're going nowhere. You cannot get an outstanding LT in the later rounds and you're not going to get one in free agency either because NFL teams will hang on to them (because they are so hard to find, as we have demonstrated over the past 4 years).
I know this has been said a few times but he touched the ball 13 times and produced 279 yards and a touchdown. Thats amazing. The Texans as a team go games with less than that. As a whole team.

Then someone posted his average a game is only 13 touches. Wasent he still averaging over 300 yards a game? Thats amazing.

Its not like Dbrick was able to get his team to the national title game.

HoustonFrog
01-05-2006, 10:09 AM
Vince Young was awesome and that was incredible but Bush is the best bet for the Texans. I saw things that impressed me. He ran hard and hit people to finish plays. When he did get in the open field his speed beat anything the Texans have. The bonehead pitch, notwithstanding, he made some awesome moves on that screen pass. They just didn't get him the ball. AND he did get most of the attention and it left Leinart with all kinds of time. LenDale was part of that too.

Spoda
01-05-2006, 10:29 AM
Vince Young was awesome and that was incredible but Bush is the best bet for the Texans. I saw things that impressed me. He ran hard and hit people to finish plays. When he did get in the open field his speed beat anything the Texans have. The bonehead pitch, notwithstanding, he made some awesome moves on that screen pass. They just didn't get him the ball. AND he did get most of the attention and it left Leinart with all kinds of time. LenDale was part of that too.

hit people?? who?? oh you mean that one play he stiff armed a corner? which linebacker did he hit hard?? which time did he grind it up the middle?? i saw huge holes and one spectacular play...he will not help this team....i keep hearing how reggie blocked well...he is a midget compared to the LB's he will have to block in the NFL..he will be blown up....

let's draft a starter that will play on key downs...anyone else notice he was not in the game on ANY critical downs?? would gayle sayer or barry sanders who he has been compared to be on the sideline with the game on the line? i think not.....OVER_RATED!!!..clap clap,clap clap clap...if we want a third down scat back or dante hall..let's draft reggie..if not let's get a legit impact every down player...IMO

tulexan
01-05-2006, 10:37 AM
I know this has been said a few times but he touched the ball 13 times and produced 279 yards and a touchdown. Thats amazing. The Texans as a team go games with less than that. As a whole team.

Then someone posted his average a game is only 13 touches. Wasent he still averaging over 300 yards a game? Thats amazing.

Its not like Dbrick was able to get his team to the national title game.


I think he actually had 19 touches. But it was still an impressive game.

FILO_girl
01-05-2006, 10:43 AM
Don't worry, Uncle Charley will show us the way. Sarcasm aside, that isn't funny. Uncle Charley gives me nightmares.

I knew when I logged on today that this board would be all about Young. Yesterday it was all about Bush. You folks are so funny, it is just like high school...who is 'in' and who is 'out'. Young owned that field last night, yet he may not be the 'answer' y'all are wishing for. Neither may Bush.

How about this. We let the season end, have the combine, do some scouting, etc and see where our worst weaknesses lie and find the BPA to fill a major weakness? If the BPA does not fill a need, trade him and cover more weaknesses. It is a long shot, but it may just work! :ok:

Spoda
01-05-2006, 10:46 AM
other than the touchdown run..(which i don't think would be in the NFL)..there was not anything impressive about bush...people are looking for hype....he was very averageyou put deangelo williams in every spot bush was in last night, how much different would it have been?? you want williams? i don't...i just can not get that fans want this tiny tiny scat back....he will split carries...and while i can't speculate on injuries...just look at him...you think dominick has injuries?? bush is smaller

take brick!!

HoustonFrog
01-05-2006, 10:49 AM
hit people?? who?? oh you mean that one play he stiff armed a corner? which linebacker did he hit hard?? which time did he grind it up the middle?? i saw huge holes and one spectacular play...he will not help this team....i keep hearing how reggie blocked well...he is a midget compared to the LB's he will have to block in the NFL..he will be blown up....

let's draft a starter that will play on key downs...anyone else notice he was not in the game on ANY critical downs?? would gayle sayer or barry sanders who he has been compared to be on the sideline with the game on the line? i think not.....OVER_RATED!!!..clap clap,clap clap clap...if we want a third down scat back or dante hall..let's draft reggie..if not let's get a legit impact every down player...IMO

What game did you watch?He didn't shy away from anyone in the open field. t wasn't like he touched it a million times. Also, when did the texas D touch Leinart?I watched Bush the whole time and he knocked people on their tail when they blitzed. Twice I saw him knock LBs into the ground. You are just peeved because of the hype. Pull your head out. I'm sure you are one of the people who wants to trade it for an O-lineman, something most top teams have filled with later rounds and free agency, and expect Charlie to work miracles?Unreal some of the thoughts in here after one game. No wonder the fans are so fair weathered. I don't think the national sports people who saw this guy play every game think he is a joke when they have seen him play in limited time.(rolling eyes). When they guy busts a 60 yard screen pass next year you will be talking about how awesome he is, I'm sure of it.

Demon
01-05-2006, 10:52 AM
I may be crazy, but I think since the Texans are basically in a "new beginning" mode, Carr hasn't produced; if we could start with Vince Young, I believe we could build a team in 3 years that would be playoff contenders. A great QB is simply the leader of a team. If Carr does well in the future, I'll regret this post. But .... decisions decision:brickwall

tulexan
01-05-2006, 10:52 AM
Sarcasm aside, that isn't funny. Uncle Charley gives me nightmares.

I knew when I logged on today that this board would be all about Young. Yesterday it was all about Bush. You folks are so funny, it is just like high school...who is 'in' and who is 'out'. Young owned that field last night, yet he may not be the 'answer' y'all are wishing for. Neither may Bush.

How about this. We let the season end, have the combine, do some scouting, etc and see where our worst weaknesses lie and find the BPA to fill a major weakness? If the BPA does not fill a need, trade him and cover more weaknesses. It is a long shot, but it may just work! :ok:


Nah, that will never work. We should rave about the most popular player each week and how he has to be on the Texans.

Spoda
01-05-2006, 10:58 AM
What game did you watch?He didn't shy away from anyone in the open field. t wasn't like he touched it a million times. Also, when did the texas D touch Leinart?I watched Bush the whole time and he knocked people on their tail when they blitzed. Twice I saw him knock LBs into the ground. You are just peeved because of the hype. Pull your head out. I'm sure you are one of the people who wants to trade it for an O-lineman, something most top teams have filled with later rounds and free agency, and expect Charlie to work miracles?Unreal some of the thoughts in here after one game. No wonder the fans are so fair weathered. I don't think the national sports people who saw this guy play every game think he is a joke when they have seen him play in limited time like you(rolling eyes). when they guy busts a 60 yard screen pass next year you will be talking about how awesome he is, I'm sure of it.

if we take reggie i will root for him ...and his 13 carries...i'm not sure which LT's that most teams have filled with later rounds you are talking about..plenty of people on these boards have shown us that the elite LT's are 1st rounders..and i guess i was watching a different game cause i saw lendell white smashing up the middle, not reggie...i saw reggie go through huuuge holes and dance to the sideline...i believe on his first run he challenged someone...i just don't see taking a guy who can't carry the load in college..won't be able to separate as a receiver in the NFL as shown when he was smothered last night...and isn't a goal line back (white 3 TDS)...he avarages 13 carries per game people..13!! oh but he returns kicks??? don't we have a pro bowler that does that? haven't we already spent enough on HBs? we have 4 that we drafted round 4 or higher....running game is not the problem...and getting 13 carries from a scat back won't help

tulexan
01-05-2006, 11:01 AM
if we take reggie i will root for him ...and his 13 carries...i'm not sure which LT's that most teams have filled with later rounds you are talking about..plenty of people on these boards have shown us that the elite LT's are 1st rounders..and i guess i was watching a different game cause i saw lendell white smashing up the middle, not reggie...i saw reggie go through huuuge holes and dance to the sideline...i believe on his first run he challenged someone...i just don't see taking a guy who can't carry the load in college..won't be able to separate as a receiver in the NFL as shown when he was smothered last night...and isn't a goal line back (white 3 TDS)...he avarages 13 carries per game people..13!! oh but he returns kicks??? don't we have a pro bowler that does that? haven't we already spent enough on HBs? we have 4 that we drafted round 4 or higher....running game is not the problem...and getting 13 carries from a scat back won't help


He actually averages 15 carries per game. That average is brought down from two games where he only had 8 carries because they were both blowouts as well.

bigTEXan8
01-05-2006, 11:04 AM
Let me try to put this to rest.


4.The dump were he took it I dont know how far but then pitched it to one of his players(that should have caught it), he was trying to make a play to help his ream win and I dont mind that, I have seen many players do that and if it would have WORKED people would be saying how great he is.

Now Vince Young great college player who is explosive.
But he is not the savior you all think he is. He either throws the ball to a wide open guy or he runs, he looks at 1 guy then runs. He will not be able to do that in the NFL. What makes Michael Vick so good is that he is not a BIG target, so when you compare him to Vick just remeber he is a Bigger target to smack.
In the NFL, ENDS do not loose contain like USC did all game, they lost contain all game long. USC gave him every little pass he wanted not one pass down field were I said to my self "wow". He averaged what 6 yards a pass. USC defense sucked today they could not tackle a cheerleader tonight.
USC D played 10 yards off the ball and Texas had all day underneath.

4) Bush could do nothing wrong on that game...please. That dump off was a moron move if I ever saw one. It wasn't the end of the game, it wasn't the 4th quarter. There was no need in the world for him to throw it back. Kieth Jackson and the other guy both reffered to it as a bonehead play, because that's what it was.

5) I thought Carroll did a piss-poor job defensively against VY. When you play a scrambler like that, you rush three, and just drop back your LBs and your DBs. When you blitz a guy like that, you play right into his hands. Now, granted, NFL DEs won't let that happen like USC did, as much, but that was just a joke.

HoustonFrog
01-05-2006, 11:08 AM
if we take reggie i will root for him ...and his 13 carries...i'm not sure which LT's that most teams have filled with later rounds you are talking about..plenty of people on these boards have shown us that the elite LT's are 1st rounders..and i guess i was watching a different game cause i saw lendell white smashing up the middle, not reggie...i saw reggie go through huuuge holes and dance to the sideline...i believe on his first run he challenged someone...i just don't see taking a guy who can't carry the load in college..won't be able to separate as a receiver in the NFL as shown when he was smothered last night...and isn't a goal line back (white 3 TDS)...he avarages 13 carries per game people..13!! oh but he returns kicks??? don't we have a pro bowler that does that? haven't we already spent enough on HBs? we have 4 that we drafted round 4 or higher....running game is not the problem...and getting 13 carries from a scat back won't help

OH REALLY!!!The New England Patriots dynasty has one second rounder and the rest are below the 2nd, free agents and waiver wire guys. The Denver Broncos has ONE 1st rounder with the 20th pick, a free agent, two 4ths and a 7th..ahem. The Redskins have one 1st rounder, a second, two 3rds and an 8th. Two of them Free Agents, includign a 20 year guy. There is zero reasons for getting a first round lineman with this high a pick if you have people who can find these guys. Also, besiders the 13 carries, which is actually 15, he also catches the ball out of the backfield, returns kicks, etc. The catches aren't in that stat. Also the most carries per average this year in the pros was 21. Did you even see him play this year?Which of those 4 wasted picks of ours is a game breaker. Almost every SB history team in our life has had a franchise back or QB. We have neither. This was shown in another post!!

Seņor Stan
01-05-2006, 11:17 AM
If Reggie averaged his "horrible game" next year he would have around 4350 all purpose yards for the season.

Can we all please agree that the "all purpose yards" is a worthless stat. You get an easy 20 on each kickoff. Not to mention that Texas kicked off about 7 times...

Go with Passing and Receiving only please.

Spoda
01-05-2006, 11:18 AM
[QUOTE=HoustonFrog]OH REALLY!!!The New England Patriots dynasty has one second rounder and the rest are below the 2nd, free agents and waiver wire guys. The Denver Broncos has ONE 1st rounder with the 20th pick, a free agent, two 4ths and a 7th..ahem. The Redskins have one 1st rounder, a second, two 3rds and an 8th. Two of them Free Agents, includign a 20 year guy. There is zero reasons for getting a first round lineman with this high a pick if you have people who can find these guys.

nobody in there right mind is talking about taking a guard or center..we are talking about a book end LT for 10 plus years....if you make me find the posts i will but the overwhelming majority of LTs are high picks...if you reaaaally think bush will be able to hop around the middle of the field that's your opinion..i am of the opinion that a LB that runs a 4.5 will snap his spine mid juke...he will fumble and then by this time next year we will be looking for a lineman and saying why won't we draft any lineman?? everyone knows our line is bad... i say take the king's ransome for reggie ..help the team not add a 3rd down screen back who might return kicks if we don't let our pro bowler do it

HoustonFrog
01-05-2006, 11:21 AM
[QUOTE=HoustonFrog]OH REALLY!!!The New England Patriots dynasty has one second rounder and the rest are below the 2nd, free agents and waiver wire guys. The Denver Broncos has ONE 1st rounder with the 20th pick, a free agent, two 4ths and a 7th..ahem. The Redskins have one 1st rounder, a second, two 3rds and an 8th. Two of them Free Agents, includign a 20 year guy. There is zero reasons for getting a first round lineman with this high a pick if you have people who can find these guys.

nobody in there right mind is talking about taking a guard or center..we are talking about a book end LT for 10 plus years....if you make me find the posts i will but the overwhelming majority of LTs are high picks...if you reaaaally think bush will be able to hop around the middle of the field that's your opinion..i am of the opinion that a LB that runs a 4.5 will snap his spine mid juke...he will fumble and then by this time next year we will be looking for a lineman and saying why won't we draft any lineman?? everyone knows our line is bad... i say take the king's ransome for reggie ..help the team not add a 3rd down screen back who might return kicks if we don't let our pro bowler do it

How are you guaranteed 10 years from a LT?None of thse guys are guaranteed. Most lineman in the playoffs right now are not 1st rounders. Only a selct few are!Herea re the LTs taken int he draft over the years. Nanme the guys who have helped the teasm to the playoffs that were taken 1st round compared to anyone else. There are a select few

http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/t.html

tulexan
01-05-2006, 11:25 AM
Can we all please agree that the "all purpose yards" is a worthless stat. You get an easy 20 on each kickoff. Not to mention that Texas kicked off about 7 times...

Go with Passing and Receiving only please.


He had 3 returns for 110 yards, not 7 for 110. They are just as important as Vince Young throwing a ball 30 yards. Just ask Jerome Mathis.

Spoda
01-05-2006, 11:42 AM
[QUOTE=Spoda]

How are you guaranteed 10 years from a LT?None of thse guys are guaranteed. Most lineman in the playoffs right now are not 1st rounders. Only a selct few are!Herea re the LTs taken int he draft over the years. Nanme the guys who have helped the teasm to the playoffs that were taken 1st round compared to anyone else. There are a select few

http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/t.html

have you even seen that link you sent?? take a look at the first rounders..all starters...everyone one would be a huuuuge upgrade for us.....do you know how many plays reggie was in on the 4th quarter?? don't look it up i'll tell you....3 plays...that's our first rounder?

HoustonFrog
01-05-2006, 11:43 AM
[QUOTE=HoustonFrog]

have you even seen that link you sent?? take a look at the first rounders..all starters...everyone one would be a huuuuge upgrade for us.....do you know how many plays reggie was in on the 4th quarter?? don't look it up i'll tell you....3 plays...that's our first rounder?

Yes I sent it after looking at it. They start and almost all the teams aren't in the playoffs. My point..there is just as big a risk as taking a tackle and geting nowhere as there is a skill guy that everyone is hyping. Robery Gallery didn't single handedly win games for a horrible Raider team. You completely ignore the great running teams and who plays for them that I posted above. How did the Patriots do it?..lol

Spoda
01-05-2006, 11:49 AM
[QUOTE=Spoda]

Yes I sent it after looking at it. They start and almost all the teams aren't in the playoffs. My point..there is just as big a risk as taking a tackle and geting nowhere as there is a skill guy that everyone is hyping. Robery Gallery didn't single handedly win games for a horrible Raider team. You completely ignore the great running teams and who plays for them that I posted above. How did the Patriots do it?..lol

our running game is good we have no pass protection..are you blind?? what is our glaring weakness?? you know it..i know it..hell espn made fun of us in a commercial last year..remember that? it's our line!!!! why replace dominick and morency for reggie?? it makes no sense when you can get 2 starters for him...if we draft reggie we bury morency and have 2 half starters at tailback...instead we could get either ngata, brick , hawk either williams and another 1st round starter next year and possibly another pick...drafting reggie does not give us another starter it replaces one who is doing fine...reggie bush played 3 plays in the 4th quarter of the biggest game of his life??? what does that say?? #1 pick?

Texas_Thrill
01-05-2006, 11:55 AM
The TRUTH of the matter is by APRIL this game will just be ONE more in game footage that scouts analyze.

Its exciting now b/c of the aftermath but that will all die out.

HoustonFrog
01-05-2006, 11:58 AM
[QUOTE=HoustonFrog]

our running game is good we have no pass protection..are you blind?? what is our glaring weakness?? you know it..i know it..hell espn made fun of us in a commercial last year..remember that? it's our line!!!! why replace dominick and morency for reggie?? it makes no sense when you can get 2 starters for him...if we draft reggie we bury morency and have 2 half starters at tailback...instead we could get either ngata, brick , hawk either williams and another 1st round starter next year and possibly another pick...drafting reggie does not give us another starter it replaces one who is doing fine...reggie bush played 3 plays in the 4th quarter of the biggest game of his life??? what does that say?? #1 pick?

No, I'm not blind. I am not sure you are reading my posts. YOU CAN fix the line through free agency and later rounds and still have the skill guy. DD is not a game breaker and is hurt. When has he ever won a game for the Texans by breaking one off?NEVER. Wells?NEVER. Morency is played in a few games. You just names off 3 top 5 guys with the picks we would get. We will get one pick, theirs, another years 1st and maybe some later round ones. Casserly has shown no problem with wasting those. We still have 4 of the top 66 even with a Bush. One game does not make a player.

TXurias
01-05-2006, 12:00 PM
R u serious....do u watch football at all? Reggie Bush was everywhere last night....we all know he's not a power runner like White is but how often did u see Bush line up at receiver? Please think before u post.

TXurias
01-05-2006, 12:07 PM
[QUOTE=Spoda]

No, I'm not blind. I am not sure you are reading my posts. YOU CAN fix the line through free agency and later rounds and still have the skill guy. DD is not a game breaker and is hurt. When has he ever won a game for the Texans by breaking one off?NEVER. Wells?NEVER. Morency is played in a few games. You just names off 3 top 5 guys with the picks we would get. We will get one pick, theirs and maybe some later round ones. Casserly has shown no problem with wasting those. We still have 4 of the top 66 even with a Bush. One game does not make a player.
Good point.....and I have a question. If we do trade down for two picks or whatever u r proposing. What r u gonna say when one of those picks is a bust/injured or whatever. Why wouldn't u take the clear cut #1 who can; run outside and give DD some rest because DD is not an ALL PRO back, line up WR and open things up for DRE and Mathis, pick up the blitz which i thought he did a pretty decent job of that last night, and also return kicks for u. My last point....think about this....by bringing Bush here the Texans will avg 7-10 points more in '06. And we can will in the holes around through FA and draft. Take a look at INDY a few years back. Great offense no defense till now.

Malloy
01-05-2006, 12:08 PM
[QUOTE=Spoda]
DD cant carry the load either. That why he misses 8 games a year.

And, when were these 8 games a year you're talking about ?

Spoda
01-05-2006, 12:19 PM
[QUOTE=HoustonFrog]
Good point.....and I have a question. If we do trade down for two picks or whatever u r proposing. What r u gonna say when one of those picks is a bust/injured or whatever. Why wouldn't u take the clear cut #1 who can; run outside and give DD some rest because DD is not an ALL PRO back, line up WR and open things up for DRE and Mathis, pick up the blitz which i thought he did a pretty decent job of that last night, and also return kicks for u. My last point....think about this....by bringing Bush here the Texans will avg 7-10 points more in '06. And we can will in the holes around through FA and draft. Take a look at INDY a few years back. Great offense no defense till now.


look, we all know nobody is a guarantee...and everyone can get hurt...and casserly can blow some picks...and IMO bush will be a huge bust or he will be dante hall...even if he is productive as what?? you think he can play wide out?? get real.. 7-10 points? where do you get that? i just find it amazing that because he can skip around like a waterbug against fresno st. that everyone thinks that his tiny little frame and those moves will translate to the NFL...the fact is we drafted a backup last year in the first round and if we take bush we will be drafting another backup...i'll say it again...in the biggest game of his life on the biggest stage...the mighty unnbelievable godsend reggie bush with all his glory was in on 3 plays in the 4th quarter last night.....he is an amazing talent...but he is simply not needed..neither is VY...and i believe whoever takes bush will regret it...the guy is tiny ..he won't be the fastest player on the field..he is not worth what we will get in return

Reggie_2006
01-05-2006, 12:38 PM
Can you say overhyped?

I got to see this 'future Gale Sayers' get chased down by a linebacker on the outside, stuffed on the inside, and outperformed by a better pro prospect, Lendale White. I wanted to see how he would do against some decent competition, so I could have some idea how he would do in the NFL.

I was so impressed. :rolleyes:

Trade the pick and let's get some decent players.
You have to reallize that Reggie had a better season than Lendale White and you cant judge him by just one game.He was not put in on thos clutch situations and I believe that if Trjans would have put in Bush in that 4th down play they would have gotten the 1st down.

cuppacoffee
01-05-2006, 01:18 PM
This is pretty much what I expected to happen. Reggie had an average game to his standards and everyone is calling him a bust. Everyone was expecting him to put up another 500 all purpose yards and he didn't.

He is still the best player in college football and will still be the #1 pick. We have a quarterback and we don't need to draft Vince Young so he can sit on the bench for two years while he is collecting his $50 Million dollar contract.

Someone else said this and it is true. All week we have been hearing about how we should trade down and fill all of the holes on our team. We have been hearing how we don't need a running back because we already have one that is good. We just need a line. Now Vince Young has a great game and we should draft him. What about all of the holes on our team? What about the line? Don't we already have a quarterback?

Try to have some consistency in your arguments. If you thought that we have holes on our team and that we should trade down, then you should still think that we have holes on our team and we should trade down. If you think that we already have a good running back, just that he doesn't have a line, then you should think that the situation is the same with our quarter back.

Charley Casserly or Bob McNair could care less about the University of Texas. They are not going to pick a guy just because he is good and from the area.

Blasphemy!!! Dont you realize that UT has all the best players.:rolleyes:

royce1054
01-05-2006, 01:29 PM
Can you say overhyped?

I got to see this 'future Gale Sayers' get chased down by a linebacker on the outside, stuffed on the inside, and outperformed by a better pro prospect, Lendale White. I wanted to see how he would do against some decent competition, so I could have some idea how he would do in the NFL.

I was so impressed. :rolleyes:

Trade the pick and let's get some decent players.

where do i sign

royce1054
01-05-2006, 01:30 PM
Blasphemy!!! Dont you realize that UT has all the best players.:rolleyes:


Texas all together has the best football talent in the country. It goes
1. Texas
2. California
3. Florida
4. Ohio
5. Pennsylvania

then after that you can argue it out

cuppacoffee
01-05-2006, 01:37 PM
272 all purpose yards 1 TD seriously sucks.

From CBS, Reggie Bush Stats:

82 rush 1 TD
89 rec
101 kickoff

To each his own.


TSippers minds are made up! :yap

Please don't confuse them with any facts.:shrug:

:coffee:

tulexan
01-05-2006, 01:41 PM
Texas all together has the best football talent in the country. It goes
1. Texas
2. California
3. Florida
4. Ohio
5. Pennsylvania

then after that you can argue it out

I think that is a debatable argument. I would have to say that Florida has the best talent. How many national championships have come out of the state of Florida compared to Texas?

TheOgre
01-05-2006, 01:54 PM
I think that is a debatable argument. I would have to say that Florida has the best talent. How many national championships have come out of the state of Florida compared to Texas?

Most of the Florida players stay in Florida. The same is not true of Texas players. Count all of the OU titles because basically 2/3's of their teams are Texans. In fact, many of the Big 12 teams (Nebraska, Colorado, etc.) recruit talent from Texas. It is hard to count titles when you have players all over the country.

TEXANRED
01-05-2006, 02:16 PM
other than the touchdown run..(which i don't think would be in the NFL)..there was not anything impressive about bush...people are looking for hype....he was very averageyou put deangelo williams in every spot bush was in last night, how much different would it have been?? you want williams? i don't...i just can not get that fans want this tiny tiny scat back....he will split carries...and while i can't speculate on injuries...just look at him...you think dominick has injuries?? bush is smaller

take brick!!

This is the part where I need varification(I am at work and am blocked from most of the net) Isnt Bush at least six foot? Isnt DD 5'7? How is bush smaller?
And I must ask, how did you come to the conclusion that Bush would be unable to to block and get "blown up" by NFL linebackers?

Pscooter21
01-05-2006, 02:31 PM
I've read quite alot of the posts on this board. I must say I'm a Horns fan so i'm wanting us to take a Houston boy who will be one of the best QB's in a while. Reggie is good ,but my heart says take Vince he is better than Carr now. Let him play behind Carr for a couple of years and then bring him on, and let David go back to the west coast like the Raiders, or the Cardinals.

Later....................

Pscooter21.................

Spoda
01-05-2006, 02:38 PM
This is the part where I need varification(I am at work and am blocked from most of the net) Isnt Bush at least six foot? Isnt DD 5'7? How is bush smaller?
And I must ask, how did you come to the conclusion that Bush would be unable to to block and get "blown up" by NFL linebackers?

Davis is listed at least 20 LBS heavier...if you think because reggie is taller that makes him bigger when referring to a HB...my cats scratching post knows more than you..and it is my opinion that this little tiny scat back will not block a blitzing LB...maybe reggie has super human strenght i am not aware of

tulexan
01-05-2006, 02:41 PM
Reggie did a pretty good job picking up the blitz yesterday and actually is very strong. Last time I heard he benches over 400 lbs.

TEXANRED
01-05-2006, 03:52 PM
Davis is listed at least 20 LBS heavier...if you think because reggie is taller that makes him bigger when referring to a HB...my cats scratching post knows more than you..and it is my opinion that this little tiny scat back will not block a blitzing LB...maybe reggie has super human strenght i am not aware of
First lets keep this civil. I asked a straight up question with no sarcastic undertones, so there is no need for the scratching post comment.:challenge

Second, how many sacks did ML take yesterday? Was any Reggies fault? Some on this board have compared the longhorn D to that of an NFL, or as close to in college as you can get, to an NFL D and I thought he performed exceptional.

Third, I dont know to many guys who bench 400 lbs, so ya I would have to say super human strength.

Texas_Thrill
01-05-2006, 04:40 PM
I think he did a wonderful job for someone who seemed to be used more as a decoy. He wasn't consistenly put into the offense which I feel like a playmaker of his capability has to be kept in the game and got into the flow of the game.

I didn't see them try to get favorable match-ups for him. I was disappointed b/c I wanted to see him and VY just explode last night but to say all of a sudden he sucks is ridiculous.

Joeymousepad
01-05-2006, 10:40 PM
If the Texas D is like an NFL D, than over 6 yards per carry is amazing. not to mention 90+ yards receiving.

Joeymousepad
01-05-2006, 10:42 PM
I think he did a wonderful job for someone who seemed to be used more as a decoy. He wasn't consistenly put into the offense which I feel like a playmaker of his capability has to be kept in the game and got into the flow of the game.

I didn't see them try to get favorable match-ups for him. I was disappointed b/c I wanted to see him and VY just explode last night but to say all of a sudden he sucks is ridiculous.

There you go this is right from a Vince Young lover. Stop basing the entire draft on one game.

CITY CAT
01-05-2006, 10:50 PM
There you go this is right from a Vince Young lover. Stop basing the entire draft on one game.

Certainly Bush had a great game, but one has to clearly admit that his performance was less than what was expected.

tulexan
01-05-2006, 10:53 PM
It may have been less than what was expected, but I blame Pete Carroll for that. He had him on the side lines way too much considering that he was being pretty effective with his limited touches.

Texans86
01-05-2006, 10:59 PM
Does anyone know how many recieving yard Bush got on that last drive when Texas was in major prevent defense? That skewed those numbers a little. Also, as I'm sure has been noted several times. When USC needed a play, they gave the ball to LenDale White. Bush did well against what is the best defense he has seen, but even Texas isn't good enough to be considered an NFL defense. Many of those players will have a chance to maybe play in the NFL, but only a few will be starters.

CITY CAT
01-05-2006, 11:08 PM
Does anyone know how many recieving yard Bush got on that last drive when Texas was in major prevent defense? That skewed those numbers a little. Also, as I'm sure has been noted several times. When USC needed a play, they gave the ball to LenDale White. Bush did well against what is the best defense he has seen, but even Texas isn't good enough to be considered an NFL defense. Many of those players will have a chance to maybe play in the NFL, but only a few will be starters.

Dominic Davis could have done what Bush did. That is why I was slightly dissapointed.

texplayer2
01-05-2006, 11:08 PM
It may have been less than what was expected, but I blame Pete Carroll for that. He had him on the side lines way too much considering that he was being pretty effective with his limited touches.

Carroll seemed still a little agitated at Bush at half time with his comments as he walked off the field. That might have been some of the Sideline stuff trying to get the kid some perspective.

tulexan
01-05-2006, 11:09 PM
great time to teach him a lesson Pete.

dtran04
01-05-2006, 11:11 PM
Remember not to judge ONE game. Vincy Young haters can easily bring up the A&M game........where he basically lost the Heisman.

texplayer2
01-05-2006, 11:20 PM
Dominic Davis could have done what Bush did. That is why I was slightly dissapointed.

I don't think I have seen the speed Bush showed, on say the fumble/pitch play where he was at the 19 in no time, from DD.

TexansCanes
01-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Texas all together has the best football talent in the country. It goes
1. Texas
2. California
3. Florida
4. Ohio
5. Pennsylvania

then after that you can argue it out

just a question how are you coming up with this, are there numbers to back to this up? the only thing i know about the number of players and states they come from is for the nfl.

as for the rose bowl i saw this coming. reggie bush wasn't going to be the main guy and they were going to depend on white and leinart like they did last year. also, if you guys have watched some sc games this has happened before. in the cal game the bears defense put two or three guys on him every play and i think he had like 80 yards rushing while lendale had a big game with 3 touchdowns. if you don't want to draft bush becuase of this game then you probably didn't want to draft andre after the 02 fiesta bowl because he only had 4 catches against an nfl corner in gamble. if you don't think texas was gameplaning for when reggie was on field just look at dwayne who was running free in the secondary. this thread doesn't even matter because if anyone watched cold pizza this morning (don't know why i was) they had someone on who had talked to casserly this morning and that the texans including dan reeves says david was poorly coached and thought he was the right guy and though we can't talk about underclassmen you connect the dots. also, 13 carries and 90 yards isn't bad against an nfl style defense, don't blame reggie blame kiffen for the bad game plan. white had some good runs (noteably the straight arm to huff) but a lot of his runs where right up the middle through a big hole where he was tackled by the first ut guy that had a good shot at him, you're telling me reggie couldn't have done that. i don't know how anyone can question bush's speed after watching the td run, he got to corner and i thought he was done but he turned it on and scored. why he didn't get the ball after that play is beyond me, he is finally in his groove and you put him on the sideline, that is why usc lost the game.

tulexan
01-06-2006, 12:02 AM
I saw that too on Cold Pizza. I have to say, I never really liked the show, but it is growing on me. But on to the Texans. That guy Bob Glauber was pretty funny. His quote was great "They are happy with David Carr and won't be drafting a QB, they will be drafting a playmaking running back, you can connect the dots on who he is talking about". And then Dana Jacobsen at the end of the segment said something like "So, looks like the Texans will take Reggie Bush" and then he chimed in by saying "I never said that" to which she replied "I guess we can connect the dots". He was so adament about making sure not to say Reggie's name. I can even see Charley telling him to make sure he says playmaking running back so that they know who he's talking about.

TexansCanes
01-06-2006, 12:12 AM
I saw that too on Cold Pizza. I have to say, I never really liked the show, but it is growing on me. But on to the Texans. That guy Bob Glauber was pretty funny. His quote was great "They are happy with David Carr and won't be drafting a QB, they will be drafting a playmaking running back, you can connect the dots on who he is talking about". And then Dana Jacobsen at the end of the segment said something like "So, looks like the Texans will take Reggie Bush" and then he chimed in by saying "I never said that" to which she replied "I guess we can connect the dots". He was so adament about making sure not to say Reggie's name. I can even see Charley telling him to make sure he says playmaking running back so that they know who he's talking about.

then i could see him saying "but i can't talk about him because he is an underclassman."

Pscooter21
01-06-2006, 02:52 AM
Seriously,

It is fine to disagree on how to use the number one pick, but are you saying that our pick should be based on one single college game? How many games of Brick's have you watched and graded? NFL scouts will evaluate Bush and others during individual workouts and combines, etc. and watch film throughout a season(s) - not on a single game. Kid has incredible burst, great hands and picked up some great blocks during UT blitzes. I don't mean to lecture, but it sounds like a somewhat uninformed argument that you are attempting to make...



Vince has played well for 19 straight games. This wasn't just one night in the making. Everyone was saying Bush because no one thought a home town boy was coming out , now that this looks like a possibility it should be explored. I'm a bit biased I would like to see more players from our state stay here instead of making out of state teams better. The marketing aspects of a Vince Young are incredible, as was the addition of the Rocket to the stros. This is a win for the texans....

Later.....................

Pscooter21...............

LongBignasty1
01-06-2006, 03:26 AM
Ditto, Plus he'd be a nightmare to plan for because unlike Vick he CAN throw

Janus3
01-06-2006, 07:40 AM
Not many on this board will want to trade the pick now. They will want to pick Vince with the number one pick!

yep, that's why none of these guys are NFL scouts. gotta love the flavor of the week.

royce1054
01-06-2006, 09:02 AM
lol, Im loving how now all of the sudden it seems Bush is out of favor on this site. I've been saying trade down all along, and Bush proved it to me. He had decent numbers, yes, but all he did on his runs is bounce them outside as fast as he could. Thats not going to work in the NFL with more speed.


i agree with lork here

royce1054
01-06-2006, 09:07 AM
just a question how are you coming up with this, are there numbers to back to this up? the only thing i know about the number of players and states they come from is for the nfl.

as for the rose bowl i saw this coming. reggie bush wasn't going to be the main guy and they were going to depend on white and leinart like they did last year. also, if you guys have watched some sc games this has happened before. in the cal game the bears defense put two or three guys on him every play and i think he had like 80 yards rushing while lendale had a big game with 3 touchdowns. if you don't want to draft bush becuase of this game then you probably didn't want to draft andre after the 02 fiesta bowl because he only had 4 catches against an nfl corner in gamble. if you don't think texas was gameplaning for when reggie was on field just look at dwayne who was running free in the secondary. this thread doesn't even matter because if anyone watched cold pizza this morning (don't know why i was) they had someone on who had talked to casserly this morning and that the texans including dan reeves says david was poorly coached and thought he was the right guy and though we can't talk about underclassmen you connect the dots. also, 13 carries and 90 yards isn't bad against an nfl style defense, don't blame reggie blame kiffen for the bad game plan. white had some good runs (noteably the straight arm to huff) but a lot of his runs where right up the middle through a big hole where he was tackled by the first ut guy that had a good shot at him, you're telling me reggie couldn't have done that. i don't know how anyone can question bush's speed after watching the td run, he got to corner and i thought he was done but he turned it on and scored. why he didn't get the ball after that play is beyond me, he is finally in his groove and you put him on the sideline, that is why usc lost the game.

Well from what i can see he is a 3rd down back at best. A urlacher, freeney those type players would eat him alive being an every down back. I am not impressed at all when he play a REAL D that is not even as good a D's in the NFL. I am dissapointed in the way he played. I am also dissapointed in the way he was used because he had 1 good run. I want to see him run up the middle before i put my seal of approval on him. O ya and Texans are the best at football. I dont wanna say gods but we arent too far off with our talent we produce in the houston, dallas, FW, Austin, SA areas.

Texas_Thrill
01-06-2006, 09:34 AM
Joey I'm not a VY lover but if we are going to re-build this team I would hate to lose him.

I'm for DEFENSE myself. I just don't remember the last time a JUNIOR QB was successful in the transistion from college to qb. That Senior year seems to be really more important than folks think.

I'm also not sure that I like any of the O-line not even D-brick to consider in a top 5-10 pick.

I say trade back and pick up AJ HAWK!

Untamed Guerillaz
01-17-2006, 09:24 PM
well i said it once already VY is the man and reggie will be ok in the nfl and that it people........wake up before its to late

C Madd
01-17-2006, 10:07 PM
well i said it once already VY is the man and reggie will be ok in the nfl and that it people........wake up before its to late
Is there any logic behind this statement?