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BradK10
08-04-2004, 11:27 AM
Quincy Carter has been cut by the Cowboys.

texansfan88
08-04-2004, 11:32 AM
link?......

BradK10
08-04-2004, 11:35 AM
It was running across the bottom on ESPNnews. Said "Cowboys to cut Q. Carter"

Sorry, I know that's bad ettiquette to not post a link.

texasguy346
08-04-2004, 11:39 AM
Yeah I saw the same thing on ESPNews. It is very shocking considering that a few days ago Carter was claiming the starting spot was his. That would mean that Testaverde would be the starter.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-04-2004, 11:44 AM
HOLY CRUD! Are you serious!!!???!!! Shoot, this better not be real...

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 11:45 AM
Gotta say I really didn't see that coming. Poor poor Vinny.

WWJD
08-04-2004, 11:49 AM
The only thing I could find was he was not at the morning practice.

Dallas Morning News.

Tyr
08-04-2004, 11:56 AM
"witnesses say they saw him being driven out of the Residence Inn parking just before the start of practice. The club is not commenting on Carter's absence, but obviously will address the matter at head coach Bill Parcells' daily press conference, carried live on DallasCowboys.com at 11:30 (PDT)."

dallascowboys.com (http://www.dallascowboys.com/)

texasguy346
08-04-2004, 12:05 PM
It looks to be true. Len Pasquerelli is reporting it now on ESPN News. They're even doing a full workup on it. That means that their 3 QBs will be Henson, Romo, and Testaverde. Will Carter find a job somewhere? A few years ago when Tony Banks was headed into camp as the Cowboys starter they cut him in much the same manner, and Banks ended up with a pretty good job. Hopefully Carter will get a good oppurtunity too.

Tulip
08-04-2004, 12:06 PM
Pasquarelli is reporting it: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=1851998

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-04-2004, 12:10 PM
No, No, No, No, No. My God NOOO!!!. Yesterday I bought a freakin Carter jersey. Im shocked, I just cant bear to believe it. I'm disgusted if Parcells actually did cut him. This reminds me of when Dallas cut Banks. This has to be a screw up. We'll see at the press conference, i'll be listening live on dallascowboys.com

chicagotexan
08-04-2004, 12:13 PM
Well well well. Looks like Jerah Jonz ain't doesn't have that great an eye for talent. Did he not once call Quizzle a "Once in a lifetime talent", or something like that. Anytime Dallas falls on hard times it just brings a big smile to my face. Unfortunately I think they got a pretty good player from us in Henson. Even though he isn't ready. Oh well.. This is good for now.

texasguy346
08-04-2004, 12:15 PM
Doesn't look to be a screw up. Not unless you have another Q. Carter on the roster. Sorry about the Carter Jersey, but at least you have a nice souvenir. Seems like if they wanted to let Carter go they could have had better timing with it. Imagine what his teamates must feel like after having their starting QB cut.

Tulip
08-04-2004, 12:15 PM
I don't get it. I have no idea what they are doing.

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 12:17 PM
Is that O-line going to be able to protect vinny?????

texasguy346
08-04-2004, 12:18 PM
I think they're trying to build for the future. Essientially they're saying that they like Tony Romo better than Q. Carter. Testaverde will start this year, and Henson might start towards the end of the season if they're not in contention and perhaps can be the starter next season.

99FirehawkTA
08-04-2004, 12:20 PM
I dont see the logic in cuting him unless hes having a horrendous camp thus far. I mean, why cut the guy that helped you make it to the playoffs when no one thought you would.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-04-2004, 12:22 PM
Is that O-line going to be able to protect vinny?????
Heck yeah, ever hear of Flozel Adams?

texasguy346
08-04-2004, 12:25 PM
Wednesday, August 4, 2004


ESPN.com news services
Quarterback Quincy Carter will be released from the Dallas Cowboys, ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli has learned, and an official announcement is expected this afternoon. Carter, a four-year veteran out of Georgia, did not practice with the team Wednesday. There was no immediate word as to why the Cowboys planned to cut Carter.

Carter, 26, started all 16 games last season, when the Cowboys went 10-6 and got back in the playoffs in head coach Bill Parcells' first year with the club.

Just last week Carter said he expected to be Dallas' starter when the 2004 season opened.

"I wouldn't say it's an open competition," Carter said last Saturday, after the team's first workout. "I'm clearly the starter right now. ... The team knows who their starter is. I'm going to stand firm on that, and I'm going to be their leader."

Indeed, Carter took snaps with the first team when camp opened, and Parcells at first acknowledged that his '03 starter had the advantage.

"He has a leg up on pretty much everybody because he was the guy that played the best and started last year," Parcells told The Associated Press last week. "Obviously I have that in mind. He is in a good position to be improved. And that is what I'm looking for."

However, Parcells has also maintained that no one -- not the incumbent, not a former star like Vinny Testaverde -- is a given in the position. Former New York Yankees player Drew Henson is also competing for the starting spot.

After last season, Parcells gave Carter a list of some things he wanted the quarterback to do during the offseason. Among them was to add muscle, work on certain mechanics and footwork and get better throwing on the run to cut down his high interception total.

Carter added four pounds of muscle, getting to 219 pounds. He's a long way from the pudgy-looking 223-pounder he was when the coach arrived.

Despite the obvious changes, however, it would take time to see if Carter improved on the field the way Parcells expected.

In his first season as the full-time starter -- after splitting the first two seasons with Chad Hutchinson -- Carter threw for 3,302 yards, but had 21 interceptions and 17 touchdowns. He was intercepted at least twice six times.

Thirteen of those interceptions came when he got outside the pocket after a play had broken down.

Carter was a chosen by Dallas in the second round of the 2001 draft.


Heres the article from ESPN. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1852002)

WWJD
08-04-2004, 12:25 PM
I'll leave the coaching decisions to Bill.

He's much better at it than I am.

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 12:26 PM
Heck yeah, ever hear of Flozel Adams?
Its one this to protect Carter, having decent mobility. But Vinny is something completely different.

WWJD
08-04-2004, 12:30 PM
Who said Vinnie was going to be the starter? You never know. They might stick Henson out there or get somebody else.

jacquescas
08-04-2004, 12:36 PM
Cowboys cut Quincy carter... 12:30pm Wednesday.

I wonder why this was made?

I wonder where Carter will end up. Arizona? San Francisco?

Looks like Vinnie Testaverde is the starting quarterback in big D now.

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 12:38 PM
Little late to get anybody else with veteran starting experiance. I haven't heard much about Henson, but being a rook I would expect them to go with the vet first.

chicagotexan
08-04-2004, 12:38 PM
I dont see the logic in cuting him unless hes having a horrendous camp thus far. I mean, why cut the guy that helped you make it to the playoffs when no one thought you would.

The Cowboys made the playoff inspite of having Carter as the QB, not because they had Carter. The D played well enough to off-set much of his play. I also think they are building for the future, that's the only reason I can think of for them trading out of the 1st rd. They ended up with good picks for next year. I guess they realize they truly over-achieved last season and that they need to re-load to do it consistently.

jacquescas
08-04-2004, 12:41 PM
Carter could end up in Arizona or San Francisco. Those seem to be the 2 teams with the shakiest QB situation. If i were Carter i'd try to get my butt to Arizona where he will have Dennis Green as a coach and Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and Bryant to throw to.

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 12:44 PM
This is all just a reminder of why I love my Texans!!!!!

Jonathan
08-04-2004, 12:51 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2638378

Cowboys cut Carter after positive cocaine test
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Quarterback Quincy Carter is expected to be released by the Dallas Cowboys Wednesday after testing positive for cocaine, league sources told FOX NFL Sunday insider John Czarnecki.

Club owner Jerry Jones confirmed that Carter has been released. Cowboys coach Bill Parcells is expected to hold a regularly scheduled news conference at 11:30 a.m. PT Wednesday at the team's training camp headquarters in Oxnard, Ca.
Carter entered the league in the NFL substance abuse program and this is his second positive test, which by NFL rules would warrant a four-game fine — not a suspension.

According to an earlier broadcast report, Carter was AWOL from practice Wednesday morning, and the absence is not injury related and the Cowboys will be making an "official" statement regarding Carter after the conclusion of practice. But other broadcast reports have intimated that the Cowboys quarterback will be released, leaving Vinny Testaverde and Drew Henson to battle for the starting position.

Micky Spagnola, the station's Cowboys beat reporter, compared the situation to that of Tony Banks three years ago where Banks was absent from practice and it was announced after practice that he had been cut.

This move comes on the heels of unanimous opinions that Henson has been the best quarterback in camp thus far, which had to be at least mildly upseting to Carter, who started all 16 games for the Cowboys in 2003, leading them to a 10-6 record.

In his first season as the full-time starter - after splitting time the first two seasons - Carter threw for 3,302 yards, but had 21 interceptions and 17 touchdowns. He was intercepted at least twice in six games.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-04-2004, 12:52 PM
Carter tested positive for Cocaine. Thats the reason http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2638378

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 12:53 PM
Run Quincy Run !!!!

Fiddy
08-04-2004, 12:54 PM
Carter tested positive for Cocaine.What a loser :crazy:

chicagotexan
08-04-2004, 12:58 PM
I knew he wasn't really hurt on the field. He was just trying to snort the 50 yrd line.

gwallaia
08-04-2004, 12:58 PM
What a complete fool. Carter will not be playing with any team this season.

I guess this puts 40 year old Testaverde the starter unless Henson takes it from him. btw, Cowgirl fans, what's the scoop on Romo, never hear much about him?

Fiddy
08-04-2004, 12:59 PM
Chad Hutchinson is laughing right now....

Ihategeeks
08-04-2004, 01:01 PM
I didn't see the coke metioned, I shall delete my thread :rofl:

WWJD
08-04-2004, 01:07 PM
Well if the drug item is true they did the right thing in cutting him.

They've been there and done that.

I'm not so sure he could just go to another team if he failed a drug test.

What's the NFL position on that? Wouldn't he be suspended?

I don't think they are worried about Hutchison. He's not an NFL caliber QB.

Jonathan
08-04-2004, 01:11 PM
Well if the drug item is true they did the right thing in cutting him.

They've been there and done that.

I'm not so sure he could just go to another team if he failed a drug test.

What's the NFL position on that? Wouldn't he be suspended?



This is Quincy's 2nd offense meaning there would only be a fine. If he was to fail another test, he would have to serve a 4 game suspension.

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 01:12 PM
With all the publicity over Ricky and now Carter, I think some teams may be a little stand-offish.

LiveForTheGame
08-04-2004, 01:17 PM
Seems to be a trend this summer...the whole failing a drug test and not playing football anymore. Ricky Williams, Quincy Carter, and even Marcus Vick had problems with drugs. Who's next? Anyone want to take a guess?

WWJD
08-04-2004, 01:22 PM
I dunno. I think these guys have easy access to drugs and I suppose get involved with them thinking they are supermen and won't get caught. Naive but you know young people think they are invincible and I guess athletes moreso.

I know the NFL has a leaguewide drug policy and I guess if you take the ones that get in trouble it's a fairly low number compared to the number on the rosters.

It's a national problem too.

Kids in elementary school get offered drugs.

It's such a lose-lose proposition.

TheOgre
08-04-2004, 01:25 PM
I knew we should have gotten a conditional pick for Henson. We might have been able to get a 2nd rounder out of it if he plays a lot this season.

Ediddy73
08-04-2004, 01:25 PM
the Cowboys cutting a player for testing positive for coke? When the hell did they change THAT policy? :rofl:

WWJD
08-04-2004, 01:29 PM
When Bill Parcells hired on.

Has there been anybody on his watch that you've read about that had a drug issue?

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 01:29 PM
What about LT?

WWJD
08-04-2004, 01:37 PM
Darn. I missed seeing LT in the Cowboys uniform when he played!

I didn't clarify myself obviously. I mean since he's been Cowboys coach....

and I'm asking, not being facetious.

Has there been any COWBOY involved or fined/suspended since Parcells hired on?

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 01:39 PM
Not that I am aware of. All the crack heads are in prison or "Retired" prior to LAST season.

Blake
08-04-2004, 01:43 PM
Carter could end up in Arizona or San Francisco. Those seem to be the 2 teams with the shakiest QB situation. If i were Carter i'd try to get my butt to Arizona where he will have Dennis Green as a coach and Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and Bryant to throw to.

I think AZ is ok with their QB's.

04 King, Shaun QB 6-1 228 Tulane
12 McCown, Josh QB 6-4 213 Sam Houston State
15 Lewis, Chris QB 6-3 215 Stanford University
16 Navarre, John QB 6-6 250 Michigan

D. Green doesnt care about Carter.

Lucky
08-04-2004, 01:46 PM
Legendary coke fiend Lawrence Taylor went unchecked by Bill Parcells for years. I'm sure if Carter could play, Parcells would give him a 2nd chance as well. There's nothing in Parcells' coaching history that indicates he takes a hardline on off the field behavior.

dalemurphy
08-04-2004, 02:06 PM
When Bill Parcells hired on.

Has there been anybody on his watch that you've read about that had a drug issue?


He didn't seem too concerned about L.T. snorting it up at halftime.

StarStruck
08-04-2004, 02:50 PM
I was shocked at the news of Quincy's release, but had read enough on another board to know that whatever happened was very serious and more than likely had nothing to do with practice. I was equally surprised that the release was drug related, since he seemed to have been well grounded. However, if the reports are valid, the organization handled the situation in the best possible manner, decisive and swift, and we can now cut our losses and move forward.

With that being said, hopefully Quincy gets the assistance he needs, and even more so, young people as well as athletes, understand how addictions can rob what should be successful lives and careers. I understand because I use to be addicted to cigarettes, so I can easily advise for someone not to try any substance with the potential to be habit forming, even once.

WWJD
08-04-2004, 03:04 PM
Ok. I was wrong about Parcells. I'm not that familiar with LT and his problems because I just frankly didn't care about the Giants. But if the coach allowed it, knew about it then he was dead wrong.

Maybe he doesn't want to make the same mistake. Although there is no universe where you can compare Taylor's talent to Quincy's.

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 03:10 PM
In a talent comparison of LT to Carter there was NEVER any doubt. Although I have never liked the Cowgirls it is a shame to see a man that was in a position of leadership faulter like that.

PS.... I do like the cowgirls better that the pathetic, underachiving, choking, Oilers. Once a punk Oiler, always a punk Oiler.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 03:24 PM
No, No, No, No, No. My God NOOO!!!. Yesterday I bought a freakin Carter jersey. Im shocked, I just cant bear to believe it. I'm disgusted if Parcells actually did cut him. This reminds me of when Dallas cut Banks. This has to be a screw up. We'll see at the press conference, i'll be listening live on dallascowboys.com



That was your fault for buying a jersey of someone who wasn't for sure going to start.


This is the best Cowboys news all year. :jam:

LiveForTheGame
08-04-2004, 03:31 PM
I'm not completely up-to-date with L.T.'s career. The question I have is how many times he tested positive for cocaine?...it's hard to cut a guy that has always passed a drug test.

Austin_Texan_Fan
08-04-2004, 03:33 PM
The league was not doing drug testing in the 80's like they are today. He may never have been tested, or it may have come out "clean" if you know what I mean.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 03:36 PM
This was not a league drug test. It was a team drug test. That's why Mort said this might even be a bigger story than it is now.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 03:57 PM
I'm sorry. They do not know yet if was a league or a team test.

BradK10
08-04-2004, 03:57 PM
Under the current CBA, teams can't give their own tests. Carter can rightfully sue the Cowboys.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 04:03 PM
Under the current CBA, teams can't give their own tests. Carter can rightfully sue the Cowboys.


That's why Mort said this could turn into a big story if that is true.


I can't see them thinking they could keep this under wraps if they did test him and release him.

MikeMc
08-04-2004, 04:15 PM
I wonder if his former teammates feel the same about him as Ricky Williams' teammates did. Considering both are no longer on the team because of drug use! :headbang:

Hervoyel
08-04-2004, 04:31 PM
I dont see the logic in cuting him unless hes having a horrendous camp thus far. I mean, why cut the guy that helped you make it to the playoffs when no one thought you would.

Perhaps they don't feel that Carter helped them make it to the playoffs? I think their opinion is that they made it to the playoffs despite having Carter at QB and Parcells isn't going to put up with that for long. He's not the kind of coach who expects his QB to win games. He only expects him not to lose them. Carter has never been a Parcells type QB. He's as inconsistent as the day is long. Tuna would rather have a more limited athelete who he can rely on to do only what's expected. Hence Vinny Testeverde is going to be the starter and Henson is going to be groomed in the manner Parcells wants.

keyfro
08-04-2004, 04:55 PM
perhaps parcells told jones that look quincy isn't a starting QB in the nfl...deal with it...and they cut him...no biggy...he didn't take them to the playoffs last year their defense did...testaverde was having a great year til pennington came back from his injury and there is no reason to believe that he can't regain his form now...the defense is better with wiley replacing ekuban...and with newman getting a year of experience on his belt...the o-line looks to be in better shape...and now they have a running game and a QB that doesn't throw picks left and right

Joe Texan
08-04-2004, 05:04 PM
Carter Failed a team drug test which may or may not have been leagal but he tested positive for Cowboy Candy so Billy Tuna Canned his arse. Too Bad so sad, Not. Cowpies have problems and it starts with Jerrah Jones. Cry me a river whilst I play the worlds smallest violin.

Lucky
08-04-2004, 05:16 PM
...testaverde was having a great year til pennington came back from his injury and there is no reason to believe that he can't regain his form now...
Um no, he wasn't. Testaverde led the Jets to 9 TD drives in 7 games last year. And the Jets have more talent on offense than the cowgirls do. True, the girl offense wasn’t in good shape with Wincy Carter, averaging 18 points/game. Replacing him with a 40 year old Testaverde won’t fix anything.

edo783
08-04-2004, 05:24 PM
If, and I admit a may be a big if, the cowpies may be better with Vinny running them if he plays as well as he did last year.

Marcus
08-04-2004, 05:41 PM
So do the Tuna and JJ swallow their pride and TRY to resign the Chad (who already knows the system) or wait to see what QBs are around after the first couple of cuts?

No. After Testeverde blows out a knee in preseason, the starting job will go to Drew Henson, who then will lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl. lol: :rofl: lol:

StarStruck
08-04-2004, 05:51 PM
No. After Testeverde blows out a knee in preseason, the starting job will go to Drew Henson, who then will lead the Cowboys to the Super Bowl. lol: :rofl: lol:

Nightmarish thought having such a QB situation in a Superbowl run. The thought of getting Chad back would be more a matter of last resort that hopefully won't happen. If for some reason Chad is asked to return and Vinny is injured, then we can probably chalk this season up as 8-8 at best. I don't think I would wish that situation on the Eagles.

texasguy346
08-04-2004, 05:54 PM
I think the Cowboys are in a tough spot even if they still had Quincy as a starter. The NFC East is vastly improved from last year, and they'd do great to win 8 or 9 games with Carter. The Redskins will be much better under Joe Gibbs who only has one losing season in his NFL career (7-9), and the Eagles are much better with McNabb having TO to throw to. The Giants will be improved, but they'll still have the worse record in the division. Testaverde will struggle, no doubt, but I feel that Parcells has a better knowledge of Vinny than any other coach he's played under. Vinny's best years were with Parcells coaching the Jets, and I think Vinny will do well with Parcells in Dallas. That being said, he is still turning 41 in November, and age will be a factor. He won't put up big numbers, but he'll manage the game effectively and that is all that the Tuna asks out of his QB. This could be the year that the Texans have the best record out of the two Texas clubs.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 06:54 PM
Um no, he wasn't. Testaverde led the Jets to 9 TD drives in 7 games last year. And the Jets have more talent on offense than the cowgirls do. True, the girl offense wasn’t in good shape with Wincy Carter, averaging 18 points/game. Replacing him with a 40 year old Testaverde won’t fix anything.


He completed 62% of his passes for 1385 with 7td and 2 ints. I would argue the jets have more talent than the Cowboys did last. They also ran the same O they did when Pennington was in there and that does not fit Vinny.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 07:04 PM
Carter Failed a team drug test which may or may not have been leagal but he tested positive for Cowboy Candy so Billy Tuna Canned his arse. Too Bad so sad, Not. Cowpies have problems and it starts with Jerrah Jones. Cry me a river whilst I play the worlds smallest violin.


Hey Joe,


Considering I live here in Houston and you are fan of the year and might have some pull. Do me a favor and help keep your drunk driving Texans off the road. :headbang:

jdevall
08-04-2004, 07:09 PM
they're stuck with cruddy Testaverde at QB with Parcells kicking their only good qb off the team!

jdevall
08-04-2004, 07:11 PM
how come the 'Boys always end up in motels or caught doing drugs??????

DFAN
08-04-2004, 07:17 PM
how come the 'Boys always end up in motels or caught doing drugs??????


Name me 5 players while Cowboys that were caught for drugs or in hotel rooms.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 07:18 PM
they're stuck with cruddy Testaverde at QB with Parcells kicking their only good qb off the team!


Good QB? You must not watch to many Cowboys games.

powda
08-04-2004, 07:18 PM
:jam: i'm just loving this. i'm convinced a buddy of mine who is a huge cowboys fan just bought a q carter jersey....and now he has to put it in the closet of shame with other "dopers" like irvin, newton, lett, harper, etc....never to be worn again.

but in talking to that buddy of mine an intresting question arose...is he even talented enough to make the texans roster? i'm thinking NO. i know carter already has played enough to not be eligible for the practice squad but PERHAPS....casserly could find a loop hole to get carter in there. maybe he could hold the ball for field goals? perhaps he could serve as a drug councelor for our players on how not to @*%$ up your life? maybe we could find a new mascot postion for him?

today has been a great day... :headbang:

SESupergenius
08-04-2004, 07:21 PM
I know of 3 right off the top of my head:

Leon Lett
Michael Irvin
Peppi Zellner

Fiddy
08-04-2004, 07:25 PM
What about that offensive lineman from a couple of years ago?

DFAN
08-04-2004, 07:25 PM
:jam: i'm just loving this. i'm convinced a buddy of mine who is a huge cowboys fan just bought a q carter jersey....and now he has to put it in the closet of shame with other "dopers" like irvin, newton, lett, harper, etc....never to be worn again.

but in talking to that buddy of mine an intresting question arose...is he even talented enough to make the texans roster? i'm thinking NO. i know carter already has played enough to not be eligible for the practice squad but PERHAPS....casserly could find a loop hole to get carter in there. maybe he could hold the ball for field goals? perhaps he could serve as a drug councelor for our players on how not to @*%$ up your life? maybe we could find a new mascot postion for him?

today has been a great day... :headbang:


He is not good enough to make the Texasn roster. He would have been 3rd string on a lot of NFL rosters and 2nd on a few.


I was listening to the ticket out of Dallas when the news broke and they said there were 3 guys standing in front of them that had just bought Q jerseys few minutes before.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 07:27 PM
I know of 3 right off the top of my head:

Leon Lett
Michael Irvin
Peppi Zellner



Not Zellner. It was not his. You can believe that or not but he was not charge.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 07:29 PM
What about that offensive lineman from a couple of years ago?


If you're talking about Newton, he was not a Cowboy. He was a ex Cowboy/Panther.

Cowboys can't control players if they are playing for another team or are retired.

Fiddy
08-04-2004, 07:31 PM
I dont think it was Newton, it is someone else. This guy had marijuana problem. This is going to drive me crazy...

SESupergenius
08-04-2004, 07:33 PM
Yeah right. It was his brothers. plleeeeezzzz.

how about:
Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson and Sherman Williams

SESupergenius
08-04-2004, 07:34 PM
It was Erik Williams, wow thats 5 without even trying.

Fiddy
08-04-2004, 07:38 PM
It was Erik Williams, wow thats 5 without even trying.I think that is him. Thank you, SES. That's 5. We should do this again in the near future.

hot4SteveMcNair
08-04-2004, 07:41 PM
I'm sorry that I don't have anythng more constructive to add to the thread but.........

I knew he wasn't really hurt on the field. He was just trying to snort the 50 yrd line.

:lol: ^THAT^ was funny!!! I'm just glad that I had just put down the bottle of water I was drinking. I could have seen it coming through my nose for sure. :rofl:

SESupergenius
08-04-2004, 07:42 PM
He is not good enough to make the Texasn roster. He would have been 3rd string on a lot of NFL rosters and 2nd on a few.

Yada yada yada. It wasn't but a few months ago that Quicy led them to the playoffs, was a 60% passer blah blah blah. Funny how Cowpuke fans were rallying behind not too far back, and now don't even want to associate their backs with his name. Funny how they were selling those jerseys right up until today, even though "he was not good enough to make the Texans rosters"
lol:

Ihategeeks
08-04-2004, 07:47 PM
Cocaine is a Hell of a drug :cool:

Fiddy
08-04-2004, 07:49 PM
Cocaine is a Hell of a drug :cool: :rofl:

That is too funny....

BradK10
08-04-2004, 07:52 PM
I'm Rick James, BEOTCH!!!

Lucky
08-04-2004, 07:52 PM
I would argue the jets have more talent than the Cowboys did last. They also ran the same O they did when Pennington was in there and that does not fit Vinny.
Don't argue with me that the Jets have more talent on offense than the girls. I said as much in my post above. And why would the Jets offense not "fit" Vinny, anyway?

Say what you want about Testaverde's stats...the guy led the team to 9 total TD's in 7 starts. The Jets averaged less than 16 pts/game with Vinny as the starter. With Carter at QB, Dallas averaged over 18 pts/game. So do you really expect a year older Testaverde to go to a less talented team and put more points on the board than he did a season earlier? He's a caretaker who isn't capable of making winning plays. Who's going to make plays for Dallas? Eddie George? Keyshawn Johnson? I'm sorry, but the cowgirl offense was bad last season with Carter and there's no reason to think it will be any different with Testaverde at QB.

I take that back...I'm not really sorry. ;)

TEXANS84
08-04-2004, 07:54 PM
I was listening to the ticket out of Dallas when the news broke and they said there were 3 guys standing in front of them that had just bought Q jerseys few minutes before.

Sorry, but I almost fell out of my chair reading that. :rofl:

texasguy346
08-04-2004, 08:01 PM
There is certainly a case to be made that the Cowboys are better off with Testaverde as the QB for the time being. Parcells doesn't ask his QB to win games for him, but merely not to lose them for him. I think undoubtedly that Testaverde is better at "not losing" a game for his team than Carter ever was. I don't believe there is anyone who better understand the limitations of Testaverde than Bill Parcells, and I think he can help him be very successful. However, I don't think Vinny will become a gunslinger or a 300yard/game guy. I wouldn't discount George just yet. Parcells has a history of taking RBs who are "on the downside of their career" and squeezing out another year or two of production. All that being said, I don't believe that the Cowboys will even approach the record they had last year. They're division is much tougher, and their defense has already been dealt a blow in Woodson.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 08:01 PM
Yada yada yada. It wasn't but a few months ago that Quicy led them to the playoffs, was a 60% passer blah blah blah. Funny how Cowpuke fans were rallying behind not too far back, and now don't even want to associate their backs with his name. Funny how they were selling those jerseys right up until today, even though "he was not good enough to make the Texans rosters"
lol:


Don't confuse me with Q apologist. Ask one of your own(gr8fan)he'll tell you how I felt about Q.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 08:02 PM
Sorry, but I almost fell out of my chair reading that. :rofl:


I did too. Funny stuff!!

DFAN
08-04-2004, 08:07 PM
Don't argue with me that the Jets have more talent on offense than the girls. I said as much in my post above. And why would the Jets offense not "fit" Vinny, anyway?

Say what you want about Testaverde's stats...the guy led the team to 9 total TD's in 7 starts. The Jets averaged less than 16 pts/game with Vinny as the starter. With Carter at QB, Dallas averaged over 18 pts/game. So do you really expect a year older Testaverde to go to a less talented team and put more points on the board than he did a season earlier? He's a caretaker who isn't capable of making winning plays. Who's going to make plays for Dallas? Eddie George? Keyshawn Johnson? I'm sorry, but the cowgirl offense was bad last season with Carter and there's no reason to think it will be any different with Testaverde at QB.

I take that back...I'm not really sorry. ;)

It was a dink and dunk O. West Coast kind of. Vinny is not a WC QB. Pennington couldn't run Vinnys O that's why they changed it to fit Pennington style.


I'm arguing with a Texan fan about the Cowboys O being bad. Let's talk about Carr.

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-04-2004, 08:07 PM
Hey, I think Vinny will do great with the offense. We got Larry Allen who has been doing great in camp and in off season conditioning, we got last year's pro bowler Flozel Adams, we got tight end Witten who has also improved, we improved our recieving core with Keyshawn Johnson, we got second round pick Julius Jones, and Eddie George as a short yardage guy and as a solid backup to Jones. Vinny will probaly play a couple of seasons, then when he retires we got the now expirenced Drew Henson to take the helm.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 08:09 PM
Yeah right. It was his brothers. plleeeeezzzz.

how about:
Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson and Sherman Williams


Were they Cowboys at the time? I know for a fact Williams wasn't. Henderson admitted he was so I'll give you that one. You went old school me. Nice.

DFAN
08-04-2004, 08:11 PM
I dont think it was Newton, it is someone else. This guy had marijuana problem. This is going to drive me crazy...



I would say getting busted with 200+lbs of marijuana is a problem.

Lucky
08-04-2004, 08:13 PM
I'm arguing with a Texan fan about the Cowboys O being bad. Let's talk about Carr.
What arguement? We both agree that the Dallas offense was bad, right? What we're in disagreement is over whether it will get better or not.

Want to start a thread about Carr, be my guest. Just post it in the Bullpen.

texasguy346
08-04-2004, 08:13 PM
I'm arguing with a Texan fan about the Cowboys O being bad. Let's talk about Carr.

Competing with a 3rd year franchise who's O and D looked pretty good against the Boys in 02. At least the Texans have two things over Big D's QB situation. 1. We know who are starter is. 2. We don't have to stock up on the Ensure.

jdevall
08-04-2004, 08:23 PM
Leon Lett
Michael Irvin
Peppi Zellner
quincy of course

texan77
08-04-2004, 08:27 PM
Amen, jdevall

Amen. :rolleyes:

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-04-2004, 09:15 PM
If anyone is intrested here's the link to read the Quincy Carter press conference http://www.dallascowboys.com/news_camp_notes.cfm?id=2C9C46BF-FB02-4817-6C9CED27F3984382

scourge
08-04-2004, 09:48 PM
another cowboy with a hardcore love of marijuana is/was Mark Stepnoski (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5473) who is on the advisory board for NORML as well as President of Texas NORML. on a side note, actor Daniel Stern, Willie Nelson, Bill Maher, and writer Hunter S. Thompson are a few people of note who are also on the advisory board...

SESupergenius
08-04-2004, 09:52 PM
Thomas Henderson too

infantrycak
08-04-2004, 09:54 PM
Thomas Henderson too

And a shame too, because but for the coke, Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson would have been one of the greats of NFL history. Fanstastic athlete--horrible decision making.

Lucky
08-04-2004, 10:29 PM
And a shame too, because but for the coke, Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson would have been one of the greats of NFL history. Fanstastic athlete--horrible decision making.
His decision making got better as he got older. Henderson picked the winning numbers for a $20 million Texas Lotto jackpot a few years back.

Fiddy
08-04-2004, 10:35 PM
His decision making got better as he got older. Henderson picked the winning numbers for a $20 million Texas Lotto jackpot a few years back.That is so unfair...

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-04-2004, 11:30 PM
This article explains all http://www.dallascowboys.com/news_800.cfm?id=2CDF6A3C-EE2C-2898-0F3822C2B10B814B

StarStruck
08-04-2004, 11:51 PM
That is so unfair...

Why? He bought a $1.00 ticket, which should have the same odds as as anyone else who plays the lottery.

Joe Texan
08-04-2004, 11:58 PM
Hey D-FAN long time no see. And Marcus was caught by a Onstar cop, Too bad the Girl that hit those two in Dallas didn't have onstar or maybe he woulda got caught. He ran home to sober up you know.

Wolf
08-05-2004, 09:29 AM
rumor in Austin was that henderson was spending 100 dollars a pop on lottery tickets but who knows

I also thought I heard he won it twice but another person said he was rich twice (once with the cowboys and blew that money and somehow won it in the lottery later) but if he won it twice (like I had originally heard) ..some guys have all the luck.. well off playing pro sports and then win the lottery twice ...
and the most I have won is 3 bucks LOL

BornOrange
08-05-2004, 10:15 AM
No, No, No, No, No. My God NOOO!!!. Yesterday I bought a freakin Carter jersey. Im shocked, I just cant bear to believe it. I'm disgusted if Parcells actually did cut him. This reminds me of when Dallas cut Banks. This has to be a screw up. We'll see at the press conference, i'll be listening live on dallascowboys.com

Ouch! Remind me to never ask for your advice on the stock market. eek:

Porky
08-05-2004, 10:58 AM
The Cowboys signed two new players!

http://www.profootballtalk.com/index.2.jpg

:popcorn: lol:

WWJD
08-05-2004, 11:25 AM
I think that is true that Thomas Henderson won the lottery twice.

StarStruck
08-05-2004, 12:53 PM
The Cowboys signed two new players!

http://www.profootballtalk.com/index.2.jpg

:popcorn: lol:

Well, I guess this is another signal that I've gotten old and going blind. I swear those colors look green, and that's the wierdest looking Star I have ever seen. lol:

infantrycak
08-05-2004, 01:08 PM
His decision making got better as he got older. Henderson picked the winning numbers for a $20 million Texas Lotto jackpot a few years back.

Henderson won a $28 mil jackpot in 2000. After being reduced to present value and having taxes taken out he cleared a little over $10 mil. Haven't found anything on him winning a second time. FYI--the most money he ever made in the NFL was $175,000 in a year.

Lucky
08-05-2004, 01:17 PM
Actually Vinny had his best year in six seasons last year with a QB rating of 90.6; with 7 TD's and only 2 INT's. Our own David Carr and Tony Banks could not bust the 60's in their QB ratings.
And that QB rating got him a 2-5 record as a starter. Showing once again how some of these QB stats are meaningless without perspective. Testaverde wasn't asked to do much in that Jet offense. He didn't do much in that Jet offense. The Jets broke the 20 point barrier once in Vinny's 7 starts. That's a ratio he'll likely duplicate in Dallas.

Lucky
08-05-2004, 01:34 PM
Testaverde led the Jets to 9 TD drives in 7 games.
Carr led the Texans to 20 TD drives in 12 games.
Banks led the Texans to 8 TD drives in 6 games.

I know you don't think that Carr or Banks had good seasons. What makes Testaverde's performance better than theirs?

infantrycak
08-05-2004, 01:42 PM
Testaverde led the Jets to 9 TD drives in 7 games.
Carr led the Texans to 20 TD drives in 12 games.
Banks led the Texans to 8 TD drives in 6 games.

I know you don't think that Carr or Banks had good seasons. What makes Testaverde's performance better than theirs?

Interesting comparison Lucky. For a head's up comparison that would be:

Testaverde about 8.6 TD drives in 6 games
Carr 10 TD drives per 6 games
Banks 8 TD drives in 6 games

WWJD
08-05-2004, 01:56 PM
Vinny won't be asked to win games for the Cowboys but he will be asked not to lose them.

That's the difference between he and Quincy. QC was asked to win them and he wasn't capable.

I would say they are going into the season knowing they are underdogs for even a wildcat berth and they'll tune up Henson and see where they can take him into next year.

I don't think Vinnie is all that bad. He's a smart QB. He's certainly been successful in the right situation before.

But he's what they've got to go with.

Lucky
08-05-2004, 02:17 PM
Vinny won't be asked to win games for the Cowboys but he will be asked not to lose them.
Well, I agree with that assessment. What I'd like to know is, who will be asked to win games for the Cowboys? Eddie George? Keyshawn Johnson? A rookie 2nd round pick? They don't really have anyone to help win games on offense. The Dallas D is good, but they're not capable of dominating as the Ravens did in their Super Bowl year.

Look I give Parcells & Def. Coord. Mike Zimmer a lot of credit for beating up the lousy teams on their schedule last season. They overachieved. And I don't think Carter was a good QB, either (though Parcells had him looking like one for awhile). My point was that Dallas isn't better with Vinny Testaverde at QB over a 16 game schedule. He's immobile, and he can't make plays down the field. Not to mention, Testaverde wasn't that good in his prime.

I just think the cowgirls get a dose of reality this season. Give Henson a couple of years, that could turn around and they could be legit contenders. Not now.

WWJD
08-05-2004, 02:36 PM
I think they'll put a heavy burden on Julius Jones to begin with. The duck and dink passes..10-15 yards.

Keyshawn is a good possession receiver.

The defense can certainly keep them in games and will maybe even win one or two.

I think they'll be 8-8, middle of the pack and Henson will play alot this year.

Great coaching also counts for something.

I don't think they'll make the playoffs unless they win as many as they did last year.

I, for one, think it was inevitable that Quincy would be gone. It just happens to be sooner rather than later.

You never know what a team will do. That's why they play the games. But I guess it's fun to play armchair QB. Or coach. Or GM.

texasguy346
08-05-2004, 03:10 PM
Parcells philosophy seems to be that the team wins the game for him, and not any individual player. That's why many Parcells games aren't all that exciting to watch. It's usually a defense struggle even when he competes against teams he should be able to light up. He uses the RB to shorten the game when he's ahead, and to rest his defense. So it's not really one guy winning the game for him. It's the entire team. Whether it be his special teams on a game winning field goal, or his defense with a key turnover, or even his offense with a TD drive. You won't see Vinny be dubbed the "Comeback Senior", nor will you see Jones challenging for number of TDs in a game or season, nor will you see a Bucs style defense that could score several TDs in a season. You'll see a different hero every game, and the only MVP on the team will be Parcells. It's been said that he, alone, is worth 2 or 3 more wins a season. I don't know how much I believe that, but it is undeniable that he is more concerned with his team winning than any particular player being the star.

Lucky
08-05-2004, 03:31 PM
When Parcells won big, he had talent to work with. It's misleading to say that he's taken a bunch of scrubs and led them to a championship. Here are the QBs Parcells has had on his team in the past:

Phil Simms - Good
Jeff Hostetler - Decent
Drew Bledsoe - Good
Vinny Testaverde - ('90's version) - Decent

Then Tuna gets to Dallas and he doesn't have a decent QB. That makes his coaching job in '03 maybe one of his best ever. But even last year they faded down the stretch losing 4 of their last 6 games. Instead of getting younger and stronger, Dallas went out and picked up a bunch of 30+ year olds. Parcells can't wave a magic wand and make these guys young again. Tuna could be responsible for 2 or 3 W's and the girls could still finish at sub .500. 7-9 looks about right to me.

texasguy346
08-05-2004, 03:45 PM
I'm not saying that Vinny will lead the Cowboys to the SB or even to the playoffs. In other threads I've mentioned they'll hover around .500, and will miss out on the playoffs. Much of that is due to their tougher division rivals. I don't claim he'll make anyone younger, but Parcells does get every bit out of his players. That's something that many coaches can't claim. Look at what he did with Otis Anderson when he was with the Giants. The Texans were better last season but their record didn't really reflect how much better. The same could be true of the Cowboys. It's important to remember that even if Vinny is a detriment at his postion, which I don't believe is true, the team can still be improved as a whole.

BEERnBBQ
08-05-2004, 07:43 PM
I asked on another board if quincy may have been released due to the fact that a falied drug test gave jones an out regarding his decision to have carter as his QB. Who else did he release when they used drugs. parcells never cut, much less disiplined LT for using during games. I applaud them for making a stand, but why not try to set him up in some assistance program since he wasn't being suspended. i hope that the test wasn't used as an excuse for cutting carter so that the media, fans wouldn't attack jones, parcells for realizing that carter wasn't the answer for them

infantrycak
08-05-2004, 07:49 PM
People have repeatedly brought up LT as if that makes Parcells a hypocrit--is learning from a mistake hypocrisy? People need to understand in football, politics, whatever that hopefully until you die you are learning, which may entail changing positions. Is all learning hypocrisy?--naahhh.

pv1999
08-05-2004, 09:38 PM
Bottom line.
LT won Superbowls and QC did not.
Bill and The Cowboys organization open themselves up to be looked at as being hypocritical because of all of the dopeheads they have suited up when they were winning.
I agree that it is just a ploy to release QC without holding the bag. He may have a whole lot of "not be's" but he is the fifth most prolific QB ever to wear the star certainly he has earned a suspension rehab assignment-type deal from the 'gals.

edo783
08-05-2004, 09:47 PM
With their VERY solid defense and Vinny not doing stupid things with the ball, they should be in every game. If they can really stop the other team from scoring, Vinny & Co. should be able to put up enough to win. If Vinny goes out hurt and Drew comes in, the turn overs will go up and the ability to win will go down. Because of their division, I think they will be doing well to hit 500%. However, with that good of a "D" they could do better.

texasguy346
08-05-2004, 09:57 PM
Because of their division, I think they will be doing well to hit 500%. However, with that good of a "D" they could do better.

500%? I don't know how they could do better than 80 - 0 next season. :rofl:

In another note Carter cleared waivers. Here's the story.

Carter Clears Waivers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1852208)

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-05-2004, 11:01 PM
Just wondering, there was some talk about Coleman being arrested awhile back. What was the deal with that?

texasguy346
08-06-2004, 12:17 AM
Do you mean the DUI? He was sentenced to 3 days in jail I believe, and faced no penalty from the league.

cuppacoffee
08-06-2004, 08:49 AM
Bottom line.
LT won Superbowls and QC did not.
Bill and The Cowboys organization open themselves up to be looked at as being hypocritical because of all of the dopeheads they have suited up when they were winning.
I agree that it is just a ploy to release QC without holding the bag. He may have a whole lot of "not be's" but he is the fifth most prolific QB ever to wear the star certainly he has earned a suspension rehab assignment-type deal from the 'gals.

Bold Mine

I hadn't thought about that but you are right.
Guess the girls just didn't see any upside in keeping him. :twocents:

HowBoutThemCowboys!
08-06-2004, 03:37 PM
Do you mean the DUI? He was sentenced to 3 days in jail I believe, and faced no penalty from the league.

Oh yeah it was DUI

scourge
08-06-2004, 04:48 PM
Grievance expected on Carter's behalf (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1853462)

look at the picture they have there of Quincy... he's got a very "crackhead" pose going on :rofl:

Blu
08-09-2004, 04:55 PM
Pimped :slap: by the players union, just like they will this Saturday by the Texans! lol :headbang:

WWJD
08-09-2004, 10:24 PM
The burden of proof is on Quincy. I've heard two completely different explanations of NFL drug policies..one being the teams cannot administer their own tests and the other that the team can if they feel there is "just cause".

They may get fined, maybe lost a draft choice who knows? But in the end Quincy isn't in their plans and wasn't going to be anyway after this year.

pv1999
08-09-2004, 11:07 PM
Any drug policy that penalizes more for legal substances than illegal drugs is a joke.