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Tulip
01-03-2006, 08:49 PM
Just heard it on the way home - breaking news from David Delotti on 790.

Scott Linehan has been the OC at Miami this past year and was Minnesota's OC & QB coach for the 3 previous years.

Dolphins bio here for anyone (like me) who is unfamiliar with Linehan.

http://www.miamidolphins.com/lockerroom/coachingstaff/coachingstaff_linehan_s.asp

big homey
01-03-2006, 09:00 PM
He seems to make full use of a stud WR (Moss, Chambers) and Minnesota's offense went way down when he left. Most would cite Moss, but he hasn't made as much of an impact in Oakland.

But it seems like the only person everyone can see is Kubiak.

texan279
01-03-2006, 09:08 PM
He seems to make full use of a stud WR (Moss, Chambers) and Minnesota's offense went way down when he left. Most would cite Moss, but he hasn't made as much of an impact in Oakland.

But it seems like the only person everyone can see is Kubiak.

Read these and you'll see why I and others here want Kubiak...

Linehan

Under Linehan, the Vikings’ offensive unit ranked No. 1 overall in the NFL in 2003, finishing fourth in both passing and rushing. They followed that up with a No. 4 overall ranking in 2004, as they boasted the No. 2 passing team in the league. Last year, quarterback Daunte Culpepper put together one of the greatest passing seasons of all-time, posting the fourthhighest passer rating (110.9) and fifth-most touchdown passes (39) in NFL single-season history. In his first NFL season in 2002, Linehan directed the No. 2-ranked offensive unit and the NFL’s leading rushing attack, one which averaged 156.7 yards per game and 5.3-yards per rush attempt. In fact, in Linehan’s three seasons as coordinator, Minnesota averaged 4.7- yards per rush attempt or better each year.

Before taking over the offensive unit with the Vikings, Linehan spent the previous 13 years as an assistant at the collegiate level. His final stop was as offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach at Louisville from 1999-2001. During Linehan’s tenure there, the Cardinals went to three straight bowl games and became the first Conference USA team to capture back-toback league championships. Dave Ragone (2000-01) and Chris Redman, (1999) won the Conference Player of the Year Award in Linehan’s three seasons at the school. Both players became NFL draft choices. Linehan preceded that tenure with a five-year stint at the University of Washington, from 1994-98. He was the Huskies’ wide receivers coach for his first two seasons at the school, before also taking on the role of offensive coordinator for his final three years. In that capacity, he developed two more future NFL draft choices in quarterbacks Brock Huard and Marques Tuiasosopo.

Kubiak

Kubiak, who owns three Super Bowl rings, is one of just 15 NFL coaches to win a Super Bowl with two different franchises (San Francisco, 1994) and one of just nine to win a title with a team from each conference.
The Broncos have produced the National Football League's No. 1 offense twice during Kubiak's tenure (1996-97)—a first in franchise history—and have ranked in the top three overall in six of his 10 seasons: No. 2 in 2000 and No. 3 in 1995, 1998 and 2002 in addition to the two No. 1 rankings. The total offensive numbers produced in Kubiak's first eight years at the controls mark the most prolific eight-year totals in club annals.
The Broncos set new single-season standards for touchdowns and points scored in three consecutive seasons from 1996-98 and posted new records for yards per rush in both 1997 and '98. Denver has also scored 30 or more points in a game 68 times (including four times in postseason) in the 171 regular and postseason games since Kubiak's hire. In the 10 years that Kubiak has been at the controls of the Denver offense, the club has accumulated the most rushing yards (22,483) along with the second most points (4,045) and total yards (58,469) in the NFL.Denver has had 26 Pro Bowl selections from the offensive side of the football in Kubiak's 10 seasons as offensive coordinator and is the only team in NFL history to produce a 3,000-yard passer (John Elway), a 1,500-yard rusher (Terrell Davis) and a 1,000-yard receiver (Shannon Sharpe, '96 and '97; Rod Smith, '97) two years in a row, doing so in 1996 and '97.

IshouldbeGM
01-03-2006, 10:29 PM
all of kubiaks highlights came when elway, davis, and sharpe were around....also when rod smith and ed mcafrey were in their prime in the mid 90's!! Linehan is the here and now. Linehan made gus frerotte look like dan marino. He made use of both ronnie brown and ricky williams, we'll have bush/davis, so he knows how to use 2 running backs at the same time. He also knows how to utilize a go to reciever (chambers...we have johnson) Just look at minnesota's offense last yr compared to this yr...also look at miami's offense from last yr to this yr. In denver that is mike shanahans offense....in miami its linehans. Nick saban has no offensive playbook....this is all linehan!

OzzO
01-03-2006, 10:42 PM
Richard Justice seems to like Linehan as well RJ's article 1/3/06 (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3561235.html)

He's bright, ambitious,
articulate and strategically brilliant. No available coach is more talented. Here's betting he's the right guy to welcome Reggie Bush into the NFL and to make stars out of David Carr and Andre Johnson.

He's Miami Dolphins offensive coordinator Scott Linehan. He's where the Texans should begin their search for a new head coach.

Speaking of Bush....

... and then just like quite a few threads he goes off into a tangent about Bush and doesn't really get more into detail about Scott L. From what I've heard so far... I'm taking more a shine to Linehan over Kubiak... in case McNair was wondering.

Grid
01-03-2006, 10:59 PM
well one thing i like about linehan is that I dont see anyone talking about how he is "a bad interview".. cause if a coach cant give a good interview, then I dont see how he can lead a team.

Linehan looks like an accomplished coach.. but the lack of any titles bothers me. He is young though.. and that is a positive in my book. I want someone who will stay with us more than a handful of seasons.

texan279
01-03-2006, 11:04 PM
all of kubiaks highlights came when elway, davis, and sharpe were around....also when rod smith and ed mcafrey were in their prime in the mid 90's!! Linehan is the here and now. Linehan made gus frerotte look like dan marino. He made use of both ronnie brown and ricky williams, we'll have bush/davis, so he knows how to use 2 running backs at the same time. He also knows how to utilize a go to reciever (chambers...we have johnson) Just look at minnesota's offense last yr compared to this yr...also look at miami's offense from last yr to this yr. In denver that is mike shanahans offense....in miami its linehans. Nick saban has no offensive playbook....this is all linehan!

And Linehan's success with the Vikings came with Culpepper and Moss. And this year Minnesota had no Moss or Culpepper...

eriadoc
01-03-2006, 11:11 PM
all of kubiaks highlights came when elway, davis, and sharpe were around....also when rod smith and ed mcafrey were in their prime in the mid 90's!! Linehan is the here and now. Linehan made gus frerotte look like dan marino. He made use of both ronnie brown and ricky williams, we'll have bush/davis, so he knows how to use 2 running backs at the same time. He also knows how to utilize a go to reciever (chambers...we have johnson) Just look at minnesota's offense last yr compared to this yr...also look at miami's offense from last yr to this yr. In denver that is mike shanahans offense....in miami its linehans. Nick saban has no offensive playbook....this is all linehan!

I don't have anything against Linehan; in fact, I like the interview. I thought I'd reply to this post, however. Kubiak coached Steve Young in SF in 1994 and, while you have to think steve Young is just that good, he did have his best year ever that season, won the super Bowl, and set the passer rating record. Kubiak went to Denver and Elway finally got his super Bowl(s). Then, in the post-elway years, Kubiak turned Brian Griese into a Pro Bowl QB. Yes, that Brian Griese. Most recently, he's turned Jake Plummer into the QB that he was supposed to be coming into the NFL.

I like Kubiak because of his track record with QBs (not just Young and Elway), his knowledge of the zone-blocking scheme, his familiarity with Denver's O-line coaching style, and his willingness to stay on under Shanahan and learn more (hiw words, not mine), when he could have bailed for a HC position that might not have ended so well.

I'm OK with interviewing whoever; I just happen to know more about Kubiak and am comfortable with his qualifications.

Tulip
01-03-2006, 11:14 PM
all of kubiaks highlights came when elway, davis, and sharpe were around....also when rod smith and ed mcafrey were in their prime in the mid 90's!! Linehan is the here and now. Linehan made gus frerotte look like dan marino. He made use of both ronnie brown and ricky williams, we'll have bush/davis, so he knows how to use 2 running backs at the same time. He also knows how to utilize a go to reciever (chambers...we have johnson) Just look at minnesota's offense last yr compared to this yr...also look at miami's offense from last yr to this yr. In denver that is mike shanahans offense....in miami its linehans. Nick saban has no offensive playbook....this is all linehan!

You make a good case. I'm intrigued.

Grid
01-03-2006, 11:15 PM
wow.. that won me over eriadoc. you have single handedly sold me on Kubiak :)

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 11:26 PM
Both seem to be seasoned and well qualified. Kubiak is actually a good fit for Carr and running the west coast offense, but that depends on who the OC will be. Keep in mind that Kubiak will be the head coach, not the OC and will have a heck of lot more to deal with. Who would the Kubiaks OC be, I'm sure no one from Denver.

edo783
01-04-2006, 12:42 AM
I am liking the fact that we have a couple of REAL solid offensive guys being considered. Not sure what our record will be next year, but I bet we will be a LOT more fun to watch.

bdiddy
01-04-2006, 01:47 AM
Linehan does not have quite enough NFL experience for me. He is rumored to have feuded with Nick Sabin in Miami and may be on his way out regardless of whether he gets an HC position. I am not opposed to interviewing him but I do not think he is the best hirer. The fact that Richard Justice is kissing his butt further reenforces my opinion. Justice knows little about football (only slightly more than John McClain - the worst beat writer in the NFL), he should stick to covering the Astros.

Coach C.
01-04-2006, 07:27 AM
The feud with Nick Saban was posted in the Miami Herald i think it is. It was not really a feud just a disagreement about game management. Linehan like in Minnesota is not a big rush threat type of guy. Not saying he does not like to run the rock just he does it more sparingly than a D-coach like Saban likes. Saban wants to control the clock and Linehan is very aggressive playcaller all game long. Now some of you on the board may like that, but I say look at Minnesota's record and think about how they lost alot of games late. Linehan can put up points, but he does not help the defense out at all. I think he either lands in Oakland or back in Minnesota. Oakland being the likely spot due to his experience and the fact that Al Davis will cover his inexperience. Bottomline is Linehan does not have very much experience in the NFL.

aj.
01-04-2006, 07:33 AM
all of kubiaks highlights came when elway, davis, and sharpe were around....

And all while he worked under Shanahan (even in SF).

How will he do as 'the man,' i.e., away from the rat, not just a leader, but a leader of leaders assembling and directing his own coaching staff? I'm more okay with Gary than not, but he is an unknown entity as a head coach at any level and does not come without some risk - as all candidates will - but that's the chance you have to take with him.

That's really the only question I have, and it's more rhetorical than anything.

I have been in contact with a few members of the Denver media and they basically say the Texans would be stupid not to hire him.

nunusguy
01-04-2006, 07:41 AM
I've been in contact with a few members of the Denver media and they basically say the Texans would be stupid not to hire him.
OK. But I hope you also asked them why nobody else has extended him a HC
job offer up to now ?

aj.
01-04-2006, 07:45 AM
Sure.....and it's the same old stuff you've heard everywhere else, i.e., not feeling ready - not the right situation for his family - etc., etc. The not interviewing well thing is what McClain always pushes but the Denver guys thought less of that as a factor although they didn't totally discount it either.

My personal opinion why nobody else has extended him a HC job offer up to now is what I said above. It's the risk he carries from working only in Shannys shadow and being an unknown entity as a HC. But I guess someone has to give him that first chance, right? We can't be any worse (theoretically) than 2-14 I guess...

He's obviously been around an NFL system long enough to know what goes on. That's why I tend to focus more on the leadership things as being his critical success factors (the ability to assemble and manage his staff - in addition to being the public face and voice, team leader and motivator). There's a lot of great project engineers in my business who have no business being the chief engineer.

Coach C.
01-04-2006, 07:49 AM
OK. But I hope you also asked them why nobody else has extended him a HC
job offer up to now ?
Kubiak has been extended several HC job offers, but he has turned them down. He has been passed over jobs also, mainly because he does not interview well. Meaning his presentation to management is not the best. No managment has ever questioned his ability, but just how his type would fit with what their team is trying to do. He fits with us and the way we are built. We give him what he needs to succeed and he has proven that he can succeed with our type of talent.

aj.
01-04-2006, 08:04 AM
This "doesn't interview well" thing is getting a life of it's own and I'm growing more tired of hearing that as I am the name Reggie Bush.

If I'm the hiring manager and I know the guy can do the job better than anyone else, the interview would consist of one question and that is "when can you start?"

"Not interviewing well" has obviously translated to the interviewers as some form of reservation about his ability.

O.G.
01-04-2006, 08:26 AM
Kubiak has been extended several HC job offers, but he has turned them down. He has been passed over jobs also, mainly because he does not interview well. Meaning his presentation to management is not the best. No managment has ever questioned his ability, but just how his type would fit with what their team is trying to do. He fits with us and the way we are built. We give him what he needs to succeed and he has proven that he can succeed with our type of talent.

I totally agree with you on this one. In fact, didn't Kubiak interview for the Texans head coaching postion when we entered the league 4 years ago? Hell, we passed him over then because managment said he didn't "interview" well. Just because you can't sell yourself to management doesn't mean you aren't the right man for the job. That's just my opinion. I could also be wrong on him interviewing for the job in the past, can someone verify that for me.

O.G.
01-04-2006, 08:27 AM
This "doesn't interview well" thing is getting a life of it's own and I'm growing more tired of hearing that as I am the name Reggie Bush.

If I'm the hiring manager and I know the guy can do the job better than anyone else, the interview would consist of one question and that is "when can you start?"

"Not interviewing well" has obviously translated to the interviewers as some form of reservation about his ability.

My point exactly

Malloy
01-04-2006, 08:30 AM
I like Kubiak because of his track record with QBs (not just Young and Elway), his knowledge of the zone-blocking scheme, his familiarity with Denver's O-line coaching style, and his willingness to stay on under Shanahan and learn more (hiw words, not mine), when he could have bailed for a HC position that might not have ended so well.


Obviously a QB-maker. Thanks for the info!

Coach C.
01-04-2006, 09:01 AM
the interviewing process is seen as if this guy can convince us then he can convince the players. Not always necessarily true, but it is the outlook. And yess eriadoc Kubiak has always been good with QBs, your points on Griese and Plummer outweight Gus Ferrotte and Sage Rosenfals. I dont care if you can make a back up manage the game for you and make a couple of plays I care can you take a suppose quality QB and turn him into a pro bowler.

nunusguy
01-04-2006, 09:08 AM
I'm really more curious than anything about why Kubiack has never been
hired as a HC. I like the idea of someone with his very
broad and impressive offensive background to be our new HC: with the
likelihood of a Bush selection apparently increasing, it becomes more and more important to utilize the bevy of offensive firepower the Texans will
have assembled, not to mention just stabilizing and developing consistancy in the O unit for openers.
And I like the idea of him being from the area, something which would make him a huge sentimental favorite here in Houston and more likely to stick around in the event that he would turn out to be a success, and begin to receive the inevitable job offers and temptations to move on to other opportunities.

Coach C.
01-04-2006, 09:12 AM
I think the main reason he has never been a HC is because he has never had the right fit. That goes both ways, the jobs he wanted he was not the right fit according to managment and the jobs he was offered were not the right fit for him.

OzzO
01-04-2006, 09:19 AM
Yeah, I'm tired of the "not interview well" thought as well, from the same Justice's same article posted earlier - maybe this is what is meant....
The best coaches pay attention to details. NFL scouts say the Texans haven't done that. They say they've managed games poorly and allowed techniques to get sloppy. And for whatever reason, Capers wasn't able to get his players to sell out, to play the games with the relentlessness that's sometimes the difference between winning and losing.....

....Good coaches — like good salesmen or preachers — don't interview poorly. If a coach can't convince an owner to hire him, he's not going to convince a team to play for him.

Good coaches show up with a blueprint for winning. McNair knows this is the most important decision he has made as an NFL owner. If he makes the right call, the Texans will be competitive next season....

Maybe it's providing the answers the owner's want to hear and having the gameplan in mind of what is achievable.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2006, 09:58 AM
Lineham was the choice of Justice in yesterdays paper....so maybe it should be Kubiak..lol

SESupergenius
01-04-2006, 10:38 AM
The Head coaching position is not just an offensive coordinator anymore, he has to motivate and adjust his team in all areas of the game. If Kubiak just doesn't have HC skills then there is no reason to force it on him and "experiment" on what "potential" he has. Enough of the potential, we need a solid coach NOW.

cuppacoffee
01-04-2006, 10:58 AM
This "doesn't interview well" thing is getting a life of it's own and I'm growing more tired of hearing that as I am the name Reggie Bush.

If I'm the hiring manager and I know the guy can do the job better than anyone else, the interview would consist of one question and that is "when can you start?"

"Not interviewing well" has obviously translated to the interviewers as some form of reservation about his ability.

I guess all the re-tread coaches out there must interview well. Must be the core reason for the coaching carousel, some just can't coach well.
Capers interviewed well, Turner must interview well, etc etc.

:coffee:

SheTexan
01-04-2006, 12:30 PM
Lineham was the choice of Justice in yesterdays paper....so maybe it should be Kubiak..lol

My thoughts exactly! Justice reminds me of Dale Robertson years ago during the Oiler days. His opinion is all that counts! Whatever everyone else thinks, or wants, they want the opposite.

HoustonFrog
01-04-2006, 12:40 PM
My thoughts exactly! Justice reminds me of Dale Robertson years ago during the Oiler days. His opinion is all that counts! Whatever everyone else thinks, or wants, they want the opposite.

Yup!He pimps Casserly and basically is turning into my own local version of Skip Bayless. I think he writes just to cause drama.

bigTEXan8
01-04-2006, 12:52 PM
To tell you the truth, I could care less who our coach is. I just want someone is isn't a complete moron. I want someone who knows how to address problems teams have. I want someone who has the ***** to go for it when the time deems necessary.

vtech9
01-04-2006, 12:52 PM
The feud with Nick Saban was posted in the Miami Herald i think it is. It was not really a feud just a disagreement about game management. Linehan like in Minnesota is not a big rush threat type of guy. Not saying he does not like to run the rock just he does it more sparingly than a D-coach like Saban likes. Saban wants to control the clock and Linehan is very aggressive playcaller all game long. Now some of you on the board may like that, but I say look at Minnesota's record and think about how they lost alot of games late. Linehan can put up points, but he does not help the defense out at all. I think he either lands in Oakland or back in Minnesota. Oakland being the likely spot due to his experience and the fact that Al Davis will cover his inexperience. Bottomline is Linehan does not have very much experience in the NFL.

I must be missing something because I just don't see how his position as OC had any effect on how the Vikings defense played. That would be like saying it was Al Saunders fault that KC's defense couldn't hold a lead, or for that matter, blaming Indy's OC for the Colts defense not being able to hold onto leads before this year. Personally, I would rather have an OC that wants to keep scoring than one that wants to just get a lead and then try and run out the clock.

Coach C.
01-04-2006, 01:15 PM
That is why I said some of you would like that, personally I am a defensive minded guy and I played defense so I understand that getting some air is really important to stopping the opposing offense. Plus the more aggressive your offense is the more opportunity there would be for turnovers and putting my squad in a bad situation.

bdiddy
01-04-2006, 02:21 PM
The feud with Nick Saban was posted in the Miami Herald i think it is. It was not really a feud just a disagreement about game management. Linehan like in Minnesota is not a big rush threat type of guy. Not saying he does not like to run the rock just he does it more sparingly than a D-coach like Saban likes. Saban wants to control the clock and Linehan is very aggressive playcaller all game long. Now some of you on the board may like that, but I say look at Minnesota's record and think about how they lost alot of games late. Linehan can put up points, but he does not help the defense out at all. I think he either lands in Oakland or back in Minnesota. Oakland being the likely spot due to his experience and the fact that Al Davis will cover his inexperience. Bottomline is Linehan does not have very much experience in the NFL.

Agree completely with your assessment. Personally, I favor an offensive minded coach that likes to mix the run with the pass. To win in this league (or a division with the Colts where ball control is imperative) you have to be able to run the ball. If you need evidence look at the Eagles, they made it work for a while but you can go without a good running attack for so long. A good running game protects your quarterback as well as the defense. This is why I favor Kubiak's version of the West Coast offense over Linehan. I think Linehan is a Mike Martz type of offensive mind (though not as big of a jerk), he may be flashy but not the type of coach to build a long term consistent winner.

Coach C.
01-04-2006, 03:17 PM
bdiddy, man you bring the meat again. I could not of said it much better myself. I could not put my finger on who to compare Linehan to and now I got it. An offensive minded coach that is big time and I like as much as Kubiak is Sean Payton, I think that young kid knows his stuff.

Crazygomer
01-04-2006, 06:11 PM
I've only been hearing a little bit about this guy on the boards. Why??? I think we need a young coach and one that can back it up with a good O! I mean he did a great job in Minn and I really like what I've seen from Miami in the last few games.

aj.
01-04-2006, 07:00 PM
Linehan press conference transcript:

http://www.houstontexans.com/media/trans_detail.php?PRKey=2325

His lack of NFL experience concerns me a bit. He did will at MN but he had Culpepper and Moss. I think I'm more impressed with what he did under Saban this year at Miami than what he did in MN those three years.

Note his comments about Ragone, whom he coached at Louisville.

Yossarian
01-04-2006, 07:07 PM
If you need evidence look at the Eagles, they made it work for a while but you can go without a good running attack for so long.

I'd say the Eagles' current offensive woes have more to do with losing their #1 quarterback, running back, and wide receiver for the year than anything else...

Runner
01-04-2006, 07:10 PM
Linehan press conference transcript:


Note his comments about Ragone, whom he coached at Louisville.

Yep - Linehan would bring the bonus of competition for Carr with him...

... if we keep Rags, which I think is a given if he's the coach.

FILO_girl
01-04-2006, 08:07 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=622
Lots of background on Kubiak.

He is a Houston homeboy, which will give him a leg up in the process. That and he has a seemingly solid record of success behind him.

I have not made any preference to who gets the position, but he seems to be one very good candidate. :)

aj.
01-04-2006, 08:44 PM
He is a Houston homeboy, which will give him a leg up in the process.


The fact that he has local roots should have no bearing on the selection (from the Texans perspective). I would be very disappointed if it did.

I could understand how it might enter into Kubiak's decision to take the job if it was offered to him but that shouldn't be a factor from McNair's standpoint. I want someone who can lead this team to the playoffs and I could care less if he grew up in Navasota, Texas or Anchorage, Alaska.

Erratic Assassin
01-04-2006, 09:40 PM
Kubiak coached Steve Young in SF in 1994
Kubiak went to Denver and Elway finally got his super Bowl(s).
Kubiak turned Brian Griese into a Pro Bowl QB.
he's turned Jake Plummer into the QB

Sounds like he would make a fine QB coach. I don't think we need another Chris Palmer.