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CyberTexan
01-03-2006, 08:05 PM
I read where some of you are saying we dont need a RB , does anyone see that every year he gets hurt and is out at least 2 or 3 or more games ? he has been averageing between 1,000 to 1,200 yards a season this is average at best , those numbers are easy to get all you have to do is average 68 yards a game thats nothing in todays time Davis is a average RB period and not a very durable one at that. Dont get me wrong I like DD but hes not the answer at RB long term so why would you want to pass up on a once in a lifetime back like Bush ? some of the break away runs Davis had and got caught from behind would have been TDs for Bush easy . NO WAY you trade this pick when you have a chance to improve with a playmaker like Bush , why not keep Bush and DD for a year and try them out together give them each 15 carries a game or somthing but you dont pass up on Bush when all you have is a average RB .

HJam72
01-03-2006, 08:09 PM
It doesn't even hurt us when DD is out, because Wells does a really good job filling in. You're also ignoring the fact that Davis gets 1000 yds. a season WITHOUT playing in every game. In answer to your question, maybe DD isnt' able to carry the load, but DD and Wells can (not to mention Morency).

Having said that, I am not against taking Bush. I'm just not for it either. I want to wait and see what we can get for him and I also need to see the Rose Bowl.

Skills players are not the end-all-be-all of football.

CyberTexan
01-03-2006, 08:15 PM
Thats one of my points he's isnt durable he gets hurt alot , and Wells deffinately isnt his replacement , as much as Davis gets hurt what happens if the next injury he gets he takes all year to heal ? then we will regret not keeping Bush , we need Online help yes i agree but theres really only 2 guys on the Online I can see replacing to help and save us money and that McKinney and Weigert , the rest I think are just fine just need to be shifted around . you arent gonna pick up Oline in the Draft and have them start right away , we can replace a couple Oline in FA . Lets keep Bush , DD , and Wells get rid of Hollings

texan279
01-03-2006, 08:19 PM
Just MO, but I would much rather see DD, Morency, and Wells behind an O line that featured D'Brick and another lineman from the draft than Bush behind our O line now that featured a few linemen from later in the draft....

Bobo
01-03-2006, 08:20 PM
I read where some of you are saying we dont need a RB , does anyone see that every year he gets hurt and is out at least 2 or 3 or more games ? he has been averageing between 1,000 to 1,200 yards a season this is average at best , those numbers are easy to get all you have to do is average 68 yards a game thats nothing in todays time Davis is a average RB period and not a very durable one at that. Dont get me wrong I like DD but hes not the answer at RB long term so why would you want to pass up on a once in a lifetime back like Bush ? some of the break away runs Davis had and got caught from behind would have been TDs for Bush easy . NO WAY you trade this pick when you have a chance to improve with a playmaker like Bush , why not keep Bush and DD for a year and try them out together give them each 15 carries a game or somthing but you dont pass up on Bush when all you have is a average RB .

1200 is not "average" -- it's very good. Plus he adds a lot of reception yards -- and he'd be even better with a more effective line. Also, most RBs are out a few games each year -- that's normal. Look at Cory Dillon, for example. You seem to forget that drafting Bush doesn't improve the rushing defense, the passing defense nor does it help our defense rushing the passer. Trade the pick and you might improve all of those aspects of the game -- plus you'll still have a strong rushing game in Davis. Remember, this isn't fantasy football. This is REAL football and it doesn't just consist of people who score the TDs -- offensive lines and defenses are just as important, if not moreso.

Bobo
01-03-2006, 08:21 PM
Just MO, but I would much rather see DD, Morency, and Wells behind an O line that featured D'Brick and another lineman from the draft than Bush behind our O line now that featured a few linemen from later in the draft....

:redtowel: Here here.

CyberTexan
01-03-2006, 08:21 PM
If you guys are convinced Davis did so well just imagine what Bush could do

HJam72
01-03-2006, 08:21 PM
....we can replace a couple Oline in FA .

That's how bad teams stay bad. It's a short term answer for a long term problem. However, Bush is a great player and it all depends on what we can get for him....which will have to be a lot.

Bobo
01-03-2006, 08:23 PM
Thats one of my points he's isnt durable he gets hurt alot , and Wells deffinately isnt his replacement , as much as Davis gets hurt what happens if the next injury he gets he takes all year to heal ? then we will regret not keeping Bush , we need Online help yes i agree but theres really only 2 guys on the Online I can see replacing to help and save us money and that McKinney and Weigert , the rest I think are just fine just need to be shifted around . you arent gonna pick up Oline in the Draft and have them start right away , we can replace a couple Oline in FA . Lets keep Bush , DD , and Wells get rid of Hollings

Like I said, a RB missing a few games is normal. Bush isn't all that big either -- one of the knocks against him is he's liable to get hurt as well. What happens if HE gets hurt? This team needs help all over. I think you are straining to find a reason to draft Bush and are ignoring the obvious. And when you are straining to find a reason to do something, that means you better not do it.

texan279
01-03-2006, 08:25 PM
That's how bad teams stay bad. It's a short term answer for a long term problem. However, Bush is a great player and it all depends on what we can get for him....which will have to be a lot.

I agree, and I would almost guarantee that there would be a couple of teams willing to sell their draft for Bush. I also agree with your first statement about bad teams staying bad, like last season when we went out and upgraded our O line with Victor Riley. Unless you can sign a huge name free agent LT, which almost never happens, you usually have to get your LT through the draft.

MorKnolle
01-03-2006, 08:25 PM
Just MO, but I would much rather see DD, Morency, and Wells behind an O line that featured D'Brick and another lineman from the draft than Bush behind our O line now that featured a few linemen from later in the draft....

I definitely agree with you on this, our current OL blocking for Bush would be much less effective than a 2-3 new OL blocking for Davis, Wells, and Morency. Steve Hutchinson and LeCharles Bentley are the only OL in free agency that would be worth getting, and I can almost guarantee we can't get Hutchinson, Bentley is a 50/50 if we pursue him heavily, but beyond that we need to look to the draft for OLine help.

Bobo
01-03-2006, 08:26 PM
If you guys are convinced Davis did so well just imagine what Bush could do

I imagine they were saying the same thing when Lawrence Phillips, Curtis Enis and Archie Griffin were drafted. This team could improve in all facets of the game by trading that pick. Drafting one guy at a position you are already strong at when you have so many needs is ridiculous.

zeplin
01-03-2006, 08:27 PM
Just MO, but I would much rather see DD, Morency, and Wells behind an O line that featured D'Brick and another lineman from the draft than Bush behind our O line now that featured a few linemen from later in the draft....


Amen Brother.I want to be competitive next year not rebuilding for 4 more, and do you realize how much Bush will cost

Bobo
01-03-2006, 08:28 PM
That's how bad teams stay bad. It's a short term answer for a long term problem. However, Bush is a great player and it all depends on what we can get for him....which will have to be a lot.

I don't even see it as a short-term answer. But one thing you must consider -- there are teams out there who might want to use the overall #1 to draft a QB, not Bush. Most teams are already either solid at RB or drafted a RB in the first round in the last few years. But you have teams like the Jets and others who desperately need a QB and the pickings after Leinert are very, very slim.

Honch Delgado
01-03-2006, 08:28 PM
DD is a good back but he has durability issues. He can't get through a season without missing a handful of games. I would like to see what DD and Bush can do under a new system and coach like Kubiak. If one goes down you have the other. If a trade does happen it better be pretty spectacular ala the Walker or Williams dealings and the picks be used on players who can contribute immediately. I don't think the line needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt. It's made to look much much worse than it really is.

Bobo
01-03-2006, 08:30 PM
Amen Brother.I want to be competitive next year not rebuilding for 4 more, and do you realize how much Bush will cost

Whether the Texans draft Bush or not, this team won't be competitive for several years.

NederlandTexan
01-03-2006, 08:33 PM
An O-line that consists of two rookies will be doom to any offense. Even the stud linemen take a couple of years to pan out. Gallery was last years D'Brick and he couldn't cut it at LT in his first year. Better coaching could be the answer.:twocents:

CyberTexan
01-03-2006, 08:36 PM
just a few Free agents coming up are ( LeCharles Bentley Saints ) ( Steve Hutchinson Seahawks ) ( Kevin Shaffer, Falcons ) those are some really good names there . Just getting one and picking up a Guard in the 2nd would be enough.
DD and Bush both Handling the ball would be unbeatable

texan279
01-03-2006, 08:36 PM
An O-line that consists of two rookies will be doom to any offense. Even the stud linemen take a couple of years to pan out. Gallery was last years D'Brick and he couldn't cut it at LT in his first year. Better coaching could be the answer.:twocents:

Do you really think our O line would be that much worse with a couple of rookies? Do you remember when Hodgdon, a 5th round rookie, came in at C and did just as good a job as McKinney? Our O line is horrible, Carr gets about 1.5 seconds in the backfield and I think the zone blocking makes our O line look better than it is in run blocking...

texan279
01-03-2006, 08:38 PM
just a few Free agents coming up are ( LeCharles Bentley Saints ) ( Steve Hutchinson Seahawks ) ( Kevin Shaffer, Falcons ) those are some really good names there . Just getting one and picking up a Guard in the 2nd would be enough.

The only one I could see coming here would be Bentley and that is because of what New Orleans went through this season. It would be really hard to draw guys away from teams like the Seahawks and Falcons unless we overpaid them big time. I mean we had to overpay Wade to get him here from Miami...

Jack Bauer
01-03-2006, 08:40 PM
An O-line that consists of two rookies will be doom to any offense. Even the stud linemen take a couple of years to pan out. Gallery was last years D'Brick and he couldn't cut it at LT in his first year. Better coaching could be the answer.:twocents:

I think better coaching is the answer. Wade is better than his performance has shown in Houston. The rest of the line will improve with a new OL coach as well.

HJam72
01-03-2006, 08:42 PM
I want long term results. I don't care if a 1st round OT sucks his first year, as long as the coaches have enough sense to sit him down and let him learn in practice. Those are the dues you have to pay to have a good team in the long run. It's also possible that Bush could be a stud immediately and then be banged all to **** in 4 yrs. That's the average life-span of a RB in the NFL you know. They don't usually last.

CyberTexan
01-03-2006, 08:43 PM
Heck we have 2 overpaid linemen now we need to get rid of in Weigert and McKinney

texan279
01-03-2006, 08:45 PM
Heck we have 2 overpaid linemen now we need to get rid of in Weigert and McKinney

I'd dump Wade before Weigert...

HJam72
01-03-2006, 08:45 PM
We also have 2 overpaid RBs in DD and Hollings. One is good but overpaid and the other should be paying the Texans to get to put on a uniform. :)

So you see, we don't need Bush because we're overpaying DD. :)

real
01-03-2006, 08:56 PM
how about we trade DD...Bush,morency,wells....they could carry the load

HJam72
01-03-2006, 08:57 PM
how about we trade DD...Bush,morency,wells....they could carry the load

Good idea, but we can't because of his pay.

UGA
01-03-2006, 08:59 PM
can DD carry the load? he hasnt been able to yet for a season.

wells is nothing more then a special teams player.

hollings is a bust.

UGA
01-03-2006, 09:01 PM
I'd dump Wade before Weigert...

And you have no clue what your talking about. Wade costs more to cut then to keep. Thank Casserly.

Mckinney and Weigert are the only cuttable players of relevance. They both have to go.

texan279
01-03-2006, 09:10 PM
And you have no clue what your talking about. Wade costs more to cut then to keep. Thank Casserly.

Mckinney and Weigert are the only cuttable players of relevance. They both have to go.

I meant from a talent standpoint not strictly a financial standpoint...

UGA
01-03-2006, 09:30 PM
I meant from a talent standpoint not strictly a financial standpoint...

well the two arent exclusive in the NFL :)