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Big B Texan Fan
01-03-2006, 02:01 AM
Does anyone know of who the 7-8 teams with a head coaching vacancy is gonna interview that is African American? Every coach I've heard of has been Caucasion.
The NFL says every team that has a vacancy has to interview African Americans.
Just curious since it's a rule with consequences if not followed.

YodAa
01-03-2006, 02:06 AM
isnt greg williams black?

bigcarlos
01-03-2006, 02:06 AM
Jerry Gray will probably be interviewed by all just to comply with the rules. Hope he gets a chance, here or somewhere.

LBC_Justin
01-03-2006, 02:07 AM
MIKE SINGLETARY (sp?)

Grid
01-03-2006, 02:10 AM
Herm Edwards

tulexan
01-03-2006, 02:12 AM
Sadly most teams will just interview a token black coach or coordinator with no desire to hire them.

I understand why they have the rule and think that it is a good idea, but believe that most of the time teams just interview a minority candidate because they have to rather than because they want to. I mean some of these teams interview the most random candidate because they are black and they have to. On the other hand, without this rule, coaches like Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith, and Romeo Crennel might not have gotten the opportunity to make it in the NFL.

So I really don't know what to think.

Snapple
01-03-2006, 02:38 AM
I want someone who understands good offensive line scheme. That limits my top choices to the OCs at Denver and Kansas City, neither of which happen to be black. If they were black, I'd be all for it. But I want the guy who's most qualified to fix our problem, regardless of color.

Youngstown Colt
01-03-2006, 03:08 AM
Art Shell used to be the token black interview for a while (after his head coaching stint) teams didn't know what to do after he took his hat out of the ring

I say if someone's the best, hire them.

eric138
01-03-2006, 09:25 AM
If I had the opporunity and qualifications to be a coach of any kind in the NFL I would personally be offended if teams interviewed me because the NFL was forcing them to because of my skin color. That is f'ed up in its own. But I guess that's the way it has to be to give the good black coaches a chance.
Is there a requirement for hispanic and asian coaches?

texanfan2002114
01-03-2006, 09:28 AM
isnt greg williams black?


I hope your joking!! And if your not, no Greg Williams isn't black. He is the defensive cor. at Washinton. As far as Jerry Grey, he is black as was mentioned by McNair right after the news conference as a person they asked permission to speak to and someone the Texans will look at hard.

JfromthaTray
01-03-2006, 09:33 AM
isnt greg williams black?
Just because his last name is williams doesn't mean he's black. No he is not

bckey
01-03-2006, 09:33 AM
Sadly most teams will just interview a token black coach or coordinator with no desire to hire them.

I understand why they have the rule and think that it is a good idea, but believe that most of the time teams just interview a minority candidate because they have to rather than because they want to. I mean some of these teams interview the most random candidate because they are black and they have to. On the other hand, without this rule, coaches like Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith, and Romeo Crennel might not have gotten the opportunity to make it in the NFL.

So I really don't know what to think.

I think the rule stinks. I think in this day and age teams hire the best person for the job period. The guys you mentioned didn't get hired because of the Rooney rule. They were the best person for the job. If someone doesn't want to hire a person because of race then they aren't going to do it. Rooney rule has no effect.

Texas_Thrill
01-03-2006, 09:33 AM
Well it seems like Herm Edwards could be available.

As far as the language reads I think its you have to interview a minority candidate not so much a african-american one. I mean I feel like the rule has helped in some aspects b/c for the longest it was a hire who you know and coaches were just being recycled and left out the coaches you just mentioned.

All that said I just want a coach I can feel GOOD about.

El Tejano
01-03-2006, 09:40 AM
I mentioned before that Jeff Fisher was one of my choices because he was a player in the league and because he is a defensive coordinator that fired up his unit to play hard for him all the time. The more I think of it, getting Jerry Gray could possibly be and have the same results.

Put my list like this:

1.) Kubiak
2.) Jerry Gray
3.) Herm Edwards or Jeff Fisher if either/or are available.

JfromthaTray
01-03-2006, 09:40 AM
If I had the opporunity and qualifications to be a coach of any kind in the NFL I would personally be offended if teams interviewed me because the NFL was forcing them to because of my skin color. That is f'ed up in its own. But I guess that's the way it has to be to give the good black coaches a chance.
Is there a requirement for hispanic and asian coaches?
Are there any qualified asian or hispanic candidates?

El Tejano
01-03-2006, 09:41 AM
The one thing I fear of having a black coach is Houston fans. You heard how they treated Moon and his family in the stands when Moon was one of the first black QBs, imagine what they will do when a black man is a coach.

Also by saying this, I am not assuming a black coach will fail or be a losing one. I am saying that if he does end up making bad calls and stuff you will hear alot of bad remarks.

JfromthaTray
01-03-2006, 09:44 AM
I may be giving the city a little too much credit, but I think it's ready for a black HC, not that it will happen, but i think the city's ready.

Texas_Thrill
01-03-2006, 09:51 AM
Yea I want to give the city a little bit of credit as well but then again it would be the first african-american to head any pro franchise in Houston.

I have mixed feelings about this one.

Runner
01-03-2006, 09:55 AM
"Are we supposed to be talking about this?" - Jerry, Seinfeld

JfromthaTray
01-03-2006, 09:56 AM
Yea I want to give the city a little bit of credit as well but then again it would be the first african-american to head any pro franchise in Houston.

I have mixed feelings about this one.
Don Chaney Houston Rockets before Rudy and after Fitch

gwallaia
01-03-2006, 09:56 AM
Yea I want to give the city a little bit of credit as well but then again it would be the first african-american to head any pro franchise in Houston.

I have mixed feelings about this one.

Don Chaney- Head Coach of the Houston Rockets. 1988-1992

Texas_Thrill
01-03-2006, 09:56 AM
What do you mena are we supposed to be? I hope you're not meaning from a PC standpoint.

JfromthaTray
01-03-2006, 09:58 AM
The one thing I fear of having a black coach is Houston fans. You heard how they treated Moon and his family in the stands when Moon was one of the first black QBs, imagine what they will do when a black man is a coach.

Also by saying this, I am not assuming a black coach will fail or be a losing one. I am saying that if he does end up making bad calls and stuff you will hear alot of bad remarks.
Nothing we haven't already heard and will continue to hear until we die.

eric138
01-03-2006, 09:59 AM
Are there any qualified asian or hispanic candidates?

Dat Nguyen?
:redtowel:

Runner
01-03-2006, 10:00 AM
What do you mena are we supposed to be? I hope you're not meaning from a PC standpoint.

It's a joke. It was quote from Seinfeld when they had a discussion about race on an episode.

Just my attempt to add some humor to this board that has frequently been bogged down in doom and gloom this year.

Texas_Thrill
01-03-2006, 10:01 AM
Thanks for correcting me on that. I totally forgot about Chaney.

Texas_Thrill
01-03-2006, 10:03 AM
lol, Runner I know you were adding some humor I just couldn't remember that seinfeld episode. Good Quote though. I was getting in some Seiny last night.

All that said....obviously Texans and Houstonians take their football WAAAAY more seriously than basketball. That would be a major leap for this city.

JfromthaTray
01-03-2006, 10:04 AM
It's a joke. It was quote from Seinfeld when they had a discussion about race on an episode.

Just my attempt to add some humor to this board that has frequently been bogged down in doom and gloom this year.
The talk on the board has been a reflection of the season, it will turn positive when Mr. McNair FIRES CASSERLY!!

Htown34s
01-03-2006, 11:01 AM
Also, Bob Watson was the first black GM in baseball when he was with the Astros. He now works for the Yankees.

jaayteetx
01-03-2006, 11:05 AM
Kippy Brown is being interviewed as well. Sounds like they are trying to comply with the rules to me. They don't want a situation like what happened in Detroit when they hired Mariucci.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 11:10 AM
I think Tim Lewis should be a qualified African American coaching propect, he can run both the 4-3 and 3-4 as he was part of the Steelers and Giants, 2 programs that are notorious for defense. And trust me, that is what we need right next to a good offensive line.

ArlingtonTexan
01-03-2006, 11:27 AM
Actually answering the question.

Jerry Gray is a well qualified candidate.
Tim lewis is very qualified.
Ted Cottell is qualified.
Mike Singletary is probably a year or two ahead of schedule
Kippy Brown is a borderline at best.
Ron Rivera: Bears DC- 1st year mentioned , probably the same as Singetary
(from my understanding Hispanic candidates do qualifiy under the rule...in other words minority does not = black only)

With so many jobs, and a relative few bodies, I expect that one or two names will come out of nowhere.

CenTexNative
01-03-2006, 12:21 PM
You know it should matter what the outside of a person is. What should matter is what kind of coach they are. For that matter why aren't there any hispanic, orientals, native americans.....as head coaches in the NFL? It should not matter!!!! I just hope Houston hires a coach that can get the team back on track. He can be green for all I care. As long as he gets the job done.

SheTexan
01-03-2006, 12:27 PM
HEY!! What about a female coach!!:) Goldie Hawn reincarnated!! lol JK guys!! This board DOES need some humor!!

Honoring Earl 34
01-03-2006, 12:31 PM
:twocents: An NFL owner who does'nt give a minority a fair shot at getting a coaching job is sending a poor message to a team thats 70 % minority .

That in my mind is bad business . The owner does set the stage on the team .

tulexan
01-03-2006, 12:35 PM
Norm Chow is asian.

Texans Pride
01-03-2006, 12:57 PM
This thread scares me. . . It's got "Ticking Time Bomb" written all over it


:bomb:


GOOD LUCK EVERYONE.....KEEP IT FRIENDLY!

swtbound07
01-03-2006, 01:01 PM
Dat Nguyen?
:redtowel:


come on now.....dat nguyen? hispanic? REALLY?

CenTexNative
01-03-2006, 01:08 PM
come on now.....dat nguyen? hispanic? REALLY?
Vietnamese actually.

pv1999
01-03-2006, 01:34 PM
Actually answering the question.

Jerry Gray is a well qualified candidate.
Tim lewis is very qualified.
Ted Cottell is qualified.
Mike Singletary is probably a year or two ahead of schedule
Kippy Brown is a borderline at best.
Ron Rivera: Bears DC- 1st year mentioned , probably the same as Singetary
(from my understanding Hispanic candidates do qualifiy under the rule...in other words minority does not = black only)

With so many jobs, and a relative few bodies, I expect that one or two names will come out of nowhere.


Does it really matter?
The next coach will win some and lose more and we will quickly be at his throat saying we should have got the other guy. Everyone will change their avatar and we will start up this post next year. Some cities are just like that, remember we all wanted to fire the coach of the national league pennant champions. We are just like NU YORK and LA. There will never be another Lombardi because no one will EVER work in one place so long ever again. Bye Dom.

SnakeOilTanker
01-03-2006, 01:42 PM
wow Lombardi and Dom in the same sentence:confused:

ATX
01-03-2006, 01:47 PM
Yea I want to give the city a little bit of credit as well but then again it would be the first african-american to head any pro franchise in Houston.

I have mixed feelings about this one.


Don Cheney was coach for the Rockets and he was black. He was also coach of the year once.

tulexan
01-03-2006, 01:48 PM
Joe Gibbs could work in DC until he dies and will never be criticized because he is a god over there.

NWTexan Fan
01-03-2006, 01:48 PM
The rule is moronic...hire the best man for the job whether he is black, white or green. To have a rule as asinine as this reminds me how much I hate affirmative action. Sheesh...

chuckm
01-03-2006, 01:50 PM
Does it really matter?
The next coach will win some and lose more and we will quickly be at his throat saying we should have got the other guy. Everyone will change their avatar and we will start up this post next year. Some cities are just like that, remember we all wanted to fire the coach of the national league pennant champions. We are just like NU YORK and LA. There will never be another Lombardi because no one will EVER work in one place so long ever again. Bye Dom.


this post is laced with sarcasm but sadly enough I agree with it (except for: There will never be another Lombardi because no one will EVER work in one place so long ever again.)

jgl35
01-03-2006, 01:58 PM
Vince Lombardi Green Bay 1959-1967 Bill Cowher Pittsburgh 1992-2005 Jeff Fisher Tenn 1994-2005.

Texas_Thrill
01-03-2006, 04:11 PM
NWTexan Fan, You've got to be kidding that this rule is moronic. I'm sure affirmative action makes no sense to you. If before affirmative action nobody would even hire minority candidates or before THIS rule nobody would hire african-american coaches b/c of the belief they weren't smart enough to be a coach.

The only way to disprove that myth is to allow them the chance to show they do know their stuff. Do you really believe OLE MISS would have ever let a african-american in its door had it not been for the civil rights movement?

Oh that's right George Walllace was just going to wake up one day and realized he liked himself a ___________.

Texas_Thrill
01-03-2006, 04:11 PM
Its all love though cuz you a Texan. Just a Texan I disagree with.

Honoring Earl 34
01-03-2006, 04:19 PM
:redtowel: The problem was also that nobody would interview a minority coach . How do you learn how to interview when you can't get interviewed . That was a cop out for awhile that minority's were beaten in the interviews .

TexansFanatic
01-03-2006, 04:38 PM
isnt greg williams black?

Say hello to Gregg Williams.
http://www.buffalobills.com/photos/greggwilliams11042.jpg

Runner
01-03-2006, 04:40 PM
Great - you posted a picture with his mouth open. That will drop his stock with a lot of posters around here.

Wolf
01-03-2006, 08:10 PM
I am suprised someone hasn't mentioned Reggie Bush as coach ...err oops I mentioned it:tomato:

FILO_girl
01-03-2006, 09:51 PM
I am suprised someone hasn't mentioned Reggie Bush as coach ...err oops I mentioned it:tomato:
:D The offseason is gonna be interesting, especially with all this :sarcasm:

Runner
01-03-2006, 10:03 PM
:D The offseason is gonna be interesting, especially with all this :sarcasm:

I'm just waiting for Bush AND Young to declare for the draft. This board would explode! Bush disciples vs. Texas homers! The greatest running back ever vs. the greatest quarterback ever! I'm estimating 7.5 as the over/under on the number of posters that would suffer from apoplexy directly caused by the resulting debates/diatribes.

Texans_Chick
01-03-2006, 10:26 PM
I'm just waiting for Bush AND Young to declare for the draft. This board would explode! Bush disciples vs. Texas homers! The greatest running back ever vs. the greatest quarterback ever! I'm estimating 7.5 as the over/under on the number of posters that would suffer from apoplexy directly caused by the resulting debates/diatribes.


You did see this, didn't you on the front page of the MB?: Most users ever online was 459, 2 Days Ago at 06:53 PM. LOL.

As it is, sports talk these days is the pits. Everybody authoritatively talking about what the Texans should or shouldn't do re: head coaches, Casserly, draft etc. I don't mind a good argument supporting this position or that, but usually you can tell that someone is saying something cuz they heard it from somebody else blahditty blah, but they don't have a real good reason to support what they are saying. It is painful to listen to 610 these days.

Going back to the topic of the thread, I don't mind the Rooney rule because it is merely a reflection of the fact that the NFL because of the stakes involved and how insular it is, is the ultimate good ole boys club. Not through any maliciousness or intent these days, but rather just that people tend to want to trust and hang out with people like themselves. And when The Powers That Be tend to be white guys, it means that they tend to hire white guys, not because they are white and are guys but because traditionally the coaching ranks were filled with the white guy. Buddies of buddies.

The Rooney rule doesn't make anyone hire someone who is a minority--the best part about it is that it tends to put qualified minority candidates on team's radars. That with the hype of coaching hires, the names of qualified candidates get publicized as someone worth interviewing, and eventually, people start thinking of these assistants as possible head coaches.

The NFL is brutally peformanced based, so nobody is gonna get hired with such a high stakes thing just because of the color of their skin. But the Rooney Rule is just an acknowledgement that the good ole boy system exists and an imperfect way of getting beyond that system. No hiring system will be perfect in a world of imperfect humans.

uhcougar08
01-03-2006, 10:40 PM
Who freaking cares, the NFL should be investegated for racism. By saying you have to interview a minority person, is direct discrimination. This is a fooey rule.

Runner
01-03-2006, 10:46 PM
You did see this, didn't you on the front page of the MB?: Most users ever online was 459, 2 Days Ago at 06:53 PM. LOL.


I keep seeing new names pop up too - having the number one pick sure creates buzz. It seems I've seen a few first or second posts by new members that say:

"You are all ignorant if you don't think we should take Bush. End of discussion".

or

"Read my lips: you are all imbeciles if you don't trade Bush for multiple draft picks".

Is this supposed to be informative and well reasoned? That is why I fluctuated between "debates" and "diatribes" in my previous post and finally used both.

Grid
01-03-2006, 10:55 PM
McNair has said that he wants the teams coach to be here long term.. like Cowher. I think he actually specifically mentioned Cowher when he said it.

I think we can eventually expect to have a coach that will be here for decades.. whether the fans are screaming for his head or not.

NWTexan Fan
01-03-2006, 11:36 PM
NWTexan Fan, You've got to be kidding that this rule is moronic. I'm sure affirmative action makes no sense to you. If before affirmative action nobody would even hire minority candidates or before THIS rule nobody would hire african-american coaches b/c of the belief they weren't smart enough to be a coach.

The only way to disprove that myth is to allow them the chance to show they do know their stuff. Do you really believe OLE MISS would have ever let a african-american in its door had it not been for the civil rights movement?

Oh that's right George Walllace was just going to wake up one day and realized he liked himself a ___________.

I would agree that AA was needed at one time but it is now outdated.

I love you too and I say "Go Texans!"

Texas_Thrill
01-04-2006, 09:59 AM
TEXAN CHICK FOR PRESIDENT! lol

You articulated exactly why so many programs are in place not only in the NFL but in our society as well. You've got my vote if you run for office.

UHCOUGAR....Obviously it appears you arent even old enough to know what discrimination is b/c it probably doesn't exist in your world. Do you really believe that women and minorities would have been given the opportunities they have if it had not been for the women's right movement in the early 1900's or the civil rights movement in the 1500's through 1960's?????

pv1999
01-04-2006, 03:50 PM
The sad legacy of the whole slavery/segregation thing is that we will forever see our differences, we may look past them but we will always see them. So we should interview a FOOTBALL coach, then work out what color wins later.

So sadly, Good Ol' George Wallace was right about segregation then, now and forever. We will always be separated according to our attributes whether it be race, size, sex, income, etc... As long as we are all in agreement with taking Reggie Bush.

bigTEXan8
01-04-2006, 04:25 PM
This whole issue is incredibly touchy. Can someone answer me this: What is the minimum amount of minorities a team has to interview before making a decision?

sulli60
01-04-2006, 04:41 PM
I'd take Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy, Romeo Crommel or Herm Edwards in a heartbeat to be my coach. Getting to a HC position is tough. I wonder if they have even stricter rules for interviewing Assistant Coaches. You figure the more black position coaches and assistant coaches now the more HC's in the future. The 4 guys mentioned above put their time in for sure.

tulexan
01-04-2006, 05:01 PM
This whole issue is incredibly touchy. Can someone answer me this: What is the minimum amount of minorities a team has to interview before making a decision?


I think you could interview one and be in accordance with the rule. I think they really want you to make an effort to not only look at white candidates. But they aren't going to say that you have to interview 3 black coaches before hiring someone.

bigTEXan8
01-04-2006, 05:11 PM
I think you could interview one and be in accordance with the rule. I think they really want you to make an effort to not only look at white candidates. But they aren't going to say that you have to interview 3 black coaches before hiring someone.
Actually, I think that is the rule. Remember when Millen got fired for only interviewing like...1 or 2 black coaches?

tulexan
01-04-2006, 05:17 PM
I don't think that Millen interviewed any black coaches and if he did he made it known to the world that they were hiring Mariucci so everyone knew that all of the black coaches interviewed had zero chance of being hired.

Texans_Chick
01-04-2006, 05:53 PM
I don't think that Millen interviewed any black coaches and if he did he made it known to the world that they were hiring Mariucci so everyone knew that all of the black coaches interviewed had zero chance of being hired.


IIRC, Millen tried to set up some interviews with black assistants but they all refused because it was already clear that he was going to hire his bud Mooch.

As an aside, and completely non-related to this thread, I am glad Millen is not our GM.

FILO_girl
01-04-2006, 07:57 PM
NWTexan Fan, You've got to be kidding that this rule is moronic. I'm sure affirmative action makes no sense to you. If before affirmative action nobody would even hire minority candidates or before THIS rule nobody would hire african-american coaches b/c of the belief they weren't smart enough to be a coach.

The only way to disprove that myth is to allow them the chance to show they do know their stuff. Do you really believe OLE MISS would have ever let a african-american in its door had it not been for the civil rights movement?

Oh that's right George Walllace was just going to wake up one day and realized he liked himself a ___________.

I will keep this as nice as I possibly can. No need to flame, just an opinion.

I hate AA (Affirmative Action). I am one who would benefit from AA. I don't want to benefit from AA. I worked in WA State to get AA off the books (failed, but I was in TX by the time it went to the voters but at least I tried). In this day and age, the minorities are starting to outnumber those they supposedly oppressed from. Color is just one component to AA.

I believe color should play no part in deciding who to bring here. Houston is a coat of many colors and as diverse as the population is, anyone that is qualified will be welcome here. 'Nuff said.

HoustonFan
01-05-2006, 01:59 AM
It's sad that race is still an issue. *smh. We still have a long way to go.

uhcougar08
03-19-2006, 10:12 AM
TEXAN CHICK FOR PRESIDENT! lol

You articulated exactly why so many programs are in place not only in the NFL but in our society as well. You've got my vote if you run for office.

UHCOUGAR....Obviously it appears you arent even old enough to know what discrimination is b/c it probably doesn't exist in your world. Do you really believe that women and minorities would have been given the opportunities they have if it had not been for the women's right movement in the early 1900's or the civil rights movement in the 1500's through 1960's?????

Actually I know alot about descrimination........the fact that you have to interview someone because of the color of their skin is different proves my point. Just because you are ignorant and have blinders on, does not mean you are right. Guess what......if I am so wrong, explain to me why they got rid of affirmative action.........my point exactly. I hope this stupid rule will be abolished soon.