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YodAa
01-02-2006, 07:25 PM
then does that mean no Bush? Cause I don't recall him using a 1st round RB for any of those 1000 yard seasons.

tulexan
01-02-2006, 07:30 PM
That is Shanahan not Kubiak. Shanahan is known for his arrogance of being able to plug people into his system. Remember him picking Maurice Clarrett in the third round? Nobody will pass on Bush

ccdude730
01-02-2006, 07:32 PM
except a team that doesnt need him like houston

YodAa
01-02-2006, 07:32 PM
I hope your right, but still if we get Kubiak won't he have a similar system to Shanahan since he was his HC?

noxiousdog
01-02-2006, 07:33 PM
except a team that doesnt need him like houston

Getting compensated for him and passing on him are not the same things.

run-david-run
01-02-2006, 07:36 PM
if kubiak wants a system simillar to denver's, we will ever see Bush and DD or DD and Wells getting alot of carries. WE might see Bush get a role simmillar to Tatum Bell in the running game, plus Punt return and action as a wide receiver. If we dont go with Bush, then DD will be the primary back and wells will get a lot more carries then he gets as a #2 back this season, not a bad thing...

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 07:37 PM
I hope your right, but still if we get Kubiak won't he have a similar system to Shanahan since he was his HC?

We would likely have a similar offensive system as Denver, which I could not complain about. It sure will be a lot better than the high school system he had been running. BTW your logo is hilarious.

Getting compensated for him and passing on him are not the same things.

Very good point, as some of us have been saying in the past.

if kubiak wants a system simillar to denver's, we will ever see Bush and DD or DD and Wells getting alot of carries. WE might see Bush get a role simmillar to Tatum Bell in the running game, plus Punt return and action as a wide receiver. If we dont go with Bush, then DD will be the primary back and wells will get a lot more carries then he gets as a #2 back this season, not a bad thing...

Agreed

ccdude730
01-02-2006, 07:38 PM
well i agree with that, playing hardball with a few teams to get a better deal done.

im just against keeping him to play for us and replace our own back who just got a new deal

tulexan
01-02-2006, 07:39 PM
I hope your right, but still if we get Kubiak won't he have a similar system to Shanahan since he was his HC?


He may have a similar system, but does not mean they are the same. Kubiak may believe that having both Davis and Bush in his system will give them the best running attack in the league. He also might not have a say in it. I really have a hard time believing that McNair will let someone else take Bush when he has him right now.

trutexan67
01-02-2006, 07:45 PM
I think Vernand M, is a real good back, if he was in a denver offense he would be a pro bowl back....

Texas_Thrill
01-02-2006, 07:53 PM
if my mama was in denver she'd be a pro bowl back. You're going to make VM a pro bowler based off of what?

trutexan67
01-02-2006, 07:56 PM
if my mama was in denver she'd be a pro bowl back. You're going to make VM a pro bowler based off of what?
If he had the opportunity to play he would be a good back is all i'm saying.

GP
01-02-2006, 08:06 PM
If you were Kubiak, and McNair offers you the job with the idea of having DD, Bush, Wells, and Morency in the backfield....how do you turn down the job? No other team with HC vacancies has the kind of backfield we have.

Minnesota? No backfield to speak of. Just a bunch of No. 2's pretending to be No. 1.

Same in Green Bay.

Same in N.O., and I don't care what you say about McCallister. Who is it after that? Antowaine Smith? Pffttt...

K.C. is the MOST attractive HC locale outside of Reliant Stadium. They have a pretty good football team, IMO.

I like our chances of getting Kubiak. And I don't necessarily think that Kubiak would want more than DD, Wells, and Morency. I think Kubiak might surprise us all and go conventional wisdom with a stud OL.

I think this will go down as one of the most intriguing offseasons in NFL history. There's going to be a LOT of player movement even before the draft, IMO.

AUSTexan
01-02-2006, 08:49 PM
FYI...

I was just curious from this thread about the composition of Denver's o-line to indicate what Kubiak might do...

Denver's current o-line has one mid-late 1st round draft pick playing... the rest are from 3rd, 4th, 5th, FA.

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59 Whitley, Taylor G 6' 4" 290 02/21/80 Texas A&M FA-'05
50 Hamilton, Ben G/C 6' 4" 283 08/18/77 Minnesota D4a-'01
62 Myers, Chris G/C 6' 5" 300 09/15/81 Miami D6-'05
65 Carlisle, Cooper G/T 6' 5" 295 08/11/77 Florida D4b-'00
74 Green, Cornell T 6' 6" 315 08/25/76 Central Florida UFA(TB)-'04
72 Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 Georgia D1-'03
78 Lepsis, Matt T 6' 4" 290 01/13/74 Colorado CFA-'97
66 Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 Boston College D7c-94
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I'm not saying this says anything about our first/second round picks this year, but I thought it was interesting and that you guys might like a look (though I admit to being in the Bush camp unless a mighty offer is placed on the table).

source: www.denverbroncos.com

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=331&sort=Position

DoCt3rJ
01-02-2006, 08:54 PM
come on.. we have the best backfield out of the coaching vacancies? When healthy, Vikings..... Onterrio Smith, Moe Williams, Mewelde Moore, Michael Bennet... morency or wells will be gone, with Bush in the mix.

Bullpen Drew
01-02-2006, 09:06 PM
On ESPN, said that Texans want permission to talk to Kubiak!

Playmaker
01-02-2006, 09:17 PM
I see Morency backing up Bush in the future, DD is too injury prone and will either be shopped around or cut because of his salary....Morency is cheaper.

And McNair will make the final call on Bush, no way he lets the new coach pass up on a player that will affect attendance in the immediate future.

vtech9
01-02-2006, 10:29 PM
If you were Kubiak, and McNair offers you the job with the idea of having DD, Bush, Wells, and Morency in the backfield....how do you turn down the job? No other team with HC vacancies has the kind of backfield we have.

Minnesota? No backfield to speak of. Just a bunch of No. 2's pretending to be No. 1.

Same in Green Bay.

Same in N.O., and I don't care what you say about McCallister. Who is it after that? Antowaine Smith? Pffttt...

K.C. is the MOST attractive HC locale outside of Reliant Stadium. They have a pretty good football team, IMO.

I like our chances of getting Kubiak. And I don't necessarily think that Kubiak would want more than DD, Wells, and Morency. I think Kubiak might surprise us all and go conventional wisdom with a stud OL.

I think this will go down as one of the most intriguing offseasons in NFL history. There's going to be a LOT of player movement even before the draft, IMO.

I think KC already has their new head coach. I believe they will promote Al Saunders to replace Vermeil.

HOOK'EM
01-02-2006, 11:11 PM
Iam ready to order my authentic #25 Reggie Bush jersey right now!.............................I can hear it now..............Reggie, Reggie, Reggie!:redtowel:

Napa Auto Parts
01-03-2006, 12:59 AM
I think Vernand M, is a real good back, if he was in a denver offense he would be a pro bowl back....




They make ron dayne look like the second coming of OJ Morency would look like gayle sayers.

TexanBacker93
01-03-2006, 01:02 AM
Iam ready to order my authentic #25 Reggie Bush jersey right now!.............................I can hear it now..............Reggie, Reggie, Reggie!:redtowel:


I don't know if Hollings will be willing to give up his uniform. Then again, he should be washing Bush's car at Bubbles car wash by the time training camp opens up.

I wonder if Bush will ask for permission to wear number 5. I know it's reserved for a QB or P/K, but I think players can get special exemptions. I'd think the ability to fly, shoot lasers from his eyes, and run faster than the speed of light should give him special considerations.

YodAa
01-03-2006, 01:56 AM
I keep picturing him wearing #35

Bobo
01-03-2006, 03:26 AM
then does that mean no Bush? Cause I don't recall him using a 1st round RB for any of those 1000 yard seasons.

What it will mean is a string of double-digit losing seasons for the forseeable future.

michaelm
01-03-2006, 03:37 AM
Personally, I would like to see him buy the #34 from Morency. All of the greatest atheletes in Houston history have worn 34...

Bush could be next.

Gunbuny
01-03-2006, 04:06 AM
Fellas I honestly think that we are all speaking way too prematurely about Bush. 1.) He may not even come out (I doubt it though) 2.) I don't care how electrifying he may be in college but he hasn't faced a good defense all year, he will not have that luxury in the NFL (even the crappy NFL LB's are better than most of the good college LB's) 3.) With our crappy O-LIne, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, nor Barry Sanders would have gotten close to Jim Brown in rushing yards. They would have more likely gotten early retirement due to injury kinda like Gayle Sayers did (hey isn't he the guy who everyone keeps comparing Bush to?) Sorry my fellow Texan fans but drafting Bush with the intention of keeping him is the same thing as buying a Ferrari Engine-BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A FERRARI OR THE RESOURCES TO BUY ONE!!!!!! We need an Offensive line more than we will ever need Bush. I would rather see Brick Ferguson here than Bush. It is time to stop going bargain basement on the O-Line. The best offensive linemen are either drafted in the 1st round, or it will cost you a first round pick in trade for somebody else's developed talent. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND LETS GOOD LINEMEN LEAVE THEIR ROSTER CHEAPLY UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM (Kyle Turley). I bet Mike Sherman regrets letting them his two best offensive linemen leave via freeagency. Without a good line, the last great quarterback from the 90's (Brett Favre) made Kyle boller look like a Pro-Bowler.

ATX
01-03-2006, 05:08 AM
Houston had the 15th ranked run offense in the league this year. That was better than Indy and New England. Add Bush and a good Coordinator and we're top 10 maybe top 5. Our problem lies with with the pass blocking, which can be corrected with 1.) a new Coach, 2.) Reggie Bush, 3.) 1 or 2 new Olinemen.

mancunian
01-03-2006, 08:00 AM
He may have a similar system, but does not mean they are the same. Kubiak may believe that having both Davis and Bush in his system will give them the best running attack in the league. He also might not have a say in it. I really have a hard time believing that McNair will let someone else take Bush when he has him right now.
Imagine that both Davis and Bush in the backfield and Morency and Wells as backups. I guess we'd be running the ball a fair bit .....or maybe Davis gets used like Westbrook at the Eagles.

NederlandTexan
01-03-2006, 08:10 AM
well i agree with that, playing hardball with a few teams to get a better deal done.

im just against keeping him to play for us and replace our own back who just got a new deal

Drafting Bush doesn't mean ditching DD. Bush can play in the slot, spread wide, and we know DD can't last a whole season, so he and Reggie spell each other.

rittenhouserobz
01-03-2006, 10:08 AM
Please explain how Reggie Bush is going to stop a blitz when we are 3 and 8-15 yrds to go. These are the situations where we need help.

Of course you will say that with Reggie Bush we won't be in many 3 and long situations, but when there is a passing situation we still can't block the 4 pass rushers from the DL using our 5 OL. I believe with that with an OL of:

LT-Fergurson
LG-Whoever
C-Hogden
RG-Wiegart
RT- Pitts

Todd Wade would cost too much for the production for that matter I would probably get rid of Wiegart. We could then draft a couple guys to play gaurd that matches the new coaches philosophy.

If we draft Bush, then we are back to hoping for a FA LT which won't happen. Then we have our hopes on the draft in the 2nd round (Bush would be our 1st). Do they want to chance on getting another Chester Pitts, an above average player, but not a dominate player. I like Pitts, but I know the Texans could use a better pass blocker at LT.

A Texan
01-03-2006, 10:43 AM
My question is if Kubiak becomes the head coach, would he consider his old boss R.C. Slocum for DC? Even as a Longhorn fan, I have to admire the job, Slocum did with defenses. Kubiak worked for him for a couple of years before becoming a pro coach. I'll bet he would shape up the linebackers. It would be the 2nd time Slocum was offered an NFL job as he was invited to join Robinson with the LA Rams but chose to return to A & M as head coach instead.

z0rpAn
01-03-2006, 11:22 AM
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SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 11:53 AM
I think that it's easier to get a good solid RB in the later rounds than a great Tackle. Great tackles are usually taken in the 1st couple of rounds, something we've never done. Under Casserly if there was a year where a certain position was deemed to have a abundance of talent, Casserly would not use a pick for that position. This year there seems to be an abundance of talent at the o-line spot, My hope is to trade down a couple of spots and use extra picks to fix our oline. I figure if we trade down and get a good RB in DeAngelo Williams or Dbrick and then get someone like Scott later we'd be sitting pretty.

HOOK'EM
01-03-2006, 01:11 PM
Isnt that why Eli didnt want to go to tha Chargers, because they didnt have a o-line. I know they havent made any first round picks on any sence then. What about tha Giants thier o-line sucks.A good run game can off set that and Iam not talking about DD.

and Pitts was taken in tha second round of our first draft!

Coach C.
01-03-2006, 01:16 PM
Kubiak would be a fine coach and give me more of an excuse to sport the Maroon to Texans games and around the stadium spot. I am on the Kubiak bandwagon, but I will be happy with whomever we get. Shanahan has already given Kubiak permission to take the QBs coach, OL coach, and some other position assistants if he gets a job. Shanahan as also said that whatever team gets Kubiak gets their Coach for the next 10+ years. That is what I want.

tulexan
01-03-2006, 01:22 PM
Houston had the 15th ranked run offense in the league this year. That was better than Indy and New England. Add Bush and a good Coordinator and we're top 10 maybe top 5. Our problem lies with with the pass blocking, which can be corrected with 1.) a new Coach, 2.) Reggie Bush, 3.) 1 or 2 new Olinemen.

Exactly. You can make the argument that Joe Montana, John Elway, or Peyton Manning couldn't have any success behind our line, but not a running back because we are a decent to good running team.

Johnny Utah
01-03-2006, 01:23 PM
Please explain how Reggie Bush is going to stop a blitz when we are 3 and 8-15 yrds to go. These are the situations where we need help.


I dare any team to try to blitz the Texans when we have Reggie Bush. All we need to do is throw a screen pass to Bush and let him go. Just imagine getting Reggie in the open field with a few blockers in front of him.

After teams get burned a couple of times on blitz's, they will ease up on the pass rush to watch out for Bush. This would create more time for Carr to throw.

His game breaking ability will create all kinds of problems for defenses.

tulexan
01-03-2006, 01:24 PM
My hope is to trade down a couple of spots and use extra picks to fix our oline. I figure if we trade down and get a good RB in DeAngelo Williams or Dbrick and then get someone like Scott later we'd be sitting pretty.

Why would we trade down to get DeAngelo Williams and then take Jonathan Scott in the second round when we could pick up Reggie Bush and then take Jonathan Scott in the second round?

bdiddy
01-03-2006, 01:36 PM
Kubiak has not been hired yet, but should he be hired I think he would be a good coach.

The Texans should take Bush barring some amazing Herschel Walker like trade offer. We can get Bush with the first pick and take a quality tackle with the first pick in the second round. The tackle may be groomed at RT (thus keeping Chester at LT), and if it is shown the pick is better (or could be in the future) than Pitts move him to LT at this point.

1st Round - Reggie Bush
2nd Round - RT
3rd Round - Tight End and Defensive End/Linebacker (depending on defensive scheme implemented)
4th-7th Rounds - Draft best athletes, looking especially at O-line prospects.

phantom17
01-03-2006, 01:47 PM
Hey, don't forget we will get The NO aints 3rd round pick, which is a high pick in that round!:redtowel:

michaelm
01-03-2006, 02:04 PM
My hope is to trade down a couple of spots and use extra picks to fix our oline. I figure if we trade down and get a good RB in DeAngelo Williams or Dbrick and then get someone like Scott later we'd be sitting pretty.

Why don't we stop looking at it like we need to solve all of the problems with one pick. Or even the picks we get from trading that one pick.
Lets get one of the most highly rated college prospects of recent memory and then use the rest of our draft picks, this year's free agency... next years draft, and next years free agency to solidify our weaknesses.
For sure we won't be a playoff contender this year. So I'd hate to pass up on what could turn out to be one of the better running backs in the history of the game just because we tried to do too much too fast.
You may not agree that Bush could be one of the best ever, and you may be right, but we won't ever know that about any player until he plays in the league.
You should agree, however, that if we choose him we should be able to improve our line while he is still capable of taking advantage of it...

Texans86
01-03-2006, 02:07 PM
My question is if Kubiak becomes the head coach, would he consider his old boss R.C. Slocum for DC? Even as a Longhorn fan, I have to admire the job, Slocum did with defenses. Kubiak worked for him for a couple of years before becoming a pro coach. I'll bet he would shape up the linebackers. It would be the 2nd time Slocum was offered an NFL job as he was invited to join Robinson with the LA Rams but chose to return to A & M as head coach instead.

I think R.C. would be a great DC. He worked wonders with A&M, and I would love to hear wrecking crew at Texans games. Those guys were mean. I also want to say he's visited Texans practices before, so he may have friendships in the organization already. R.C. is a great coach and it really was unfair to see him fired after his first non winning season at A&M (I think they were 5-5 at that).

michaelm
01-03-2006, 02:11 PM
Everybody is clamoring for a franchise LT, but few teams actually have one. We can put together a better than average line with Pitts at LT IMO.
Plus D'Brick may end up being a bust...
Can anybody say Mandarich?
He was one of the most hyped players in history coming out of college... considered a sure future hall of famer. Sadly (for him), many of you will need to google him to find out who he was.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 02:15 PM
Why would we trade down to get DeAngelo Williams and then take Jonathan Scott in the second round when we could pick up Reggie Bush and then take Jonathan Scott in the second round?
For the additional picks that we've lost in the Buchanon and Babin trades. I am from the school of thought around here that our talent level is not all that great and that we should address quite a few spots on the roster without breaking the bank in Free Agency. If we trade down we should be able to get extra picks in the 2nd or 3rd rounds in this draft or the next. I am not a Bush hater, I will evaluate him more .vs Texas, particularly in his pass blocking capabilities, but there are always group of qualified RB's in every draft that can be servicable. Behind our current line I just don't see Bush doing great things. If KC can turn Larry Johnson into a running machine, then we should be able to do the same, we absolutely have to make our offensive line better and we've never draft a quality lineman in the 1st 3 rounds since our expansion year, which is unheard of.

I've seen D'Angelo play and I think he is the best all around running back in this draft, if we could take him and get extra picks, or even trade down further and get the best Guard available then that would shore up some of the miscues that Casserly has done over the last 2 drafts.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 02:20 PM
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You should agree, however, that if we choose him we should be able to improve our line while he is still capable of taking advantage of it...
I agree that Bush is a talent, but we have a great chance to trade down a little to teams like the Raiders and Jets who need a QB and might be willing to give us a fantastic deal so they can draft Leinart ahead of the Saints. If so we would be able to add depth to this team and not break the bank on another top 10 pick like we've done with Carr AJ and Drob. If New England can produce after having less than stellar draft positiioning, then so can we.

Texans86
01-03-2006, 02:25 PM
For the additional picks that we've lost in the Buchanon and Babin trades. I am from the school of thought around here that our talent level is not all that great and that we should address quite a few spots on the roster without breaking the bank in Free Agency. If we trade down we should be able to get extra picks in the 2nd or 3rd rounds in this draft or the next. I am not a Bush hater, I will evaluate him more .vs Texas, particularly in his pass blocking capabilities, but there are always group of qualified RB's in every draft that can be servicable. Behind our current line I just don't see Bush doing great things. If KC can turn Larry Johnson into a running machine, then we should be able to do the same, we absolutely have to make our offensive line better and we've never draft a quality lineman in the 1st 3 rounds since our expansion year, which is unheard of.

I've seen D'Angelo play and I think he is the best all around running back in this draft, if we could take him and get extra picks, or even trade down further and get the best Guard available then that would shore up some of the miscues that Casserly has done over the last 2 drafts.

I agree with you. I think we also need more help at OL and I like D'Angelo Williams. However, I don't think we need to draft a RB at all in this draft. We have 3 good backs in our backfield, and I think a pick could be used better than on Williams later in the first or high second.

eriadoc
01-03-2006, 03:46 PM
Everybody is clamoring for a franchise LT, but few teams actually have one. We can put together a better than average line with Pitts at LT IMO.
Plus D'Brick may end up being a bust...
Can anybody say Mandarich?
He was one of the most hyped players in history coming out of college... considered a sure future hall of famer. Sadly (for him), many of you will need to google him to find out who he was.

18 of the 32 teams currently have a left tackle that was drafted in the first round, and 17 of them were taken in the top 20. Two teams have a second round draft choice playing left tackle. Then you have teams that are playing guards at left tackle and/or grooming their future left tackle on the right side currently. All 6 tackles that made the Pro Bowl this year were drafted in the first round.

For every bust tackle you can name (Mandarich is the biggest one that comes to mind), I can name a successful 1st round tackle and two busts at running back.

Just an alternative viewpoint.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 03:52 PM
I agree with you. I think we also need more help at OL and I like D'Angelo Williams. However, I don't think we need to draft a RB at all in this draft. We have 3 good backs in our backfield, and I think a pick could be used better than on Williams later in the first or high second.
I agree with you as well and I guess I wasn't too clear on my position. Depending on where we traded down, I think we should pick best available player. I was looking at D'Angelo because I thought we would trade down in that area. If we traded down into the middle of the 1st round and picked the best avail guard, then that would be fine by me too.

michaelm
01-03-2006, 04:41 PM
18 of the 32 teams currently have a left tackle that was drafted in the first round, and 17 of them were taken in the top 20. Two teams have a second round draft choice playing left tackle. Then you have teams that are playing guards at left tackle and/or grooming their future left tackle on the right side currently. All 6 tackles that made the Pro Bowl this year were drafted in the first round.

For every bust tackle you can name (Mandarich is the biggest one that comes to mind), I can name a successful 1st round tackle and two busts at running back.

Just an alternative viewpoint.

You have a good point, but to me, the real point is that you never know. You can't run scared from a potentially franchise changing player just because there is a history of bust at the position. There is a history of bust at every position.
Who do you think has the best potential to change the franchise? Bush or a LT.
I can see both sides of the argument here, but I think the edge still goes to Bush.
Maybe we should look at it another way. I'm just feeling this out so I don't even know my own opinion just yet, but here goes...

Is the level of improvement from Bush to DD likely to be more or less than the level of improvement from a 1st round LT to an second round LT or a 1st round LT to Pitts?
I mean team wide impact. I have to admit that if we were able to find that franchise LT, he would most likely have a longer contribution to the team.

I know it's not quite that simple because Bush and DD could be used to compliment each other and the level of improvement from one to the other is not the whole story, but the question occured to me so I thought I would voice it.

I think that I ned to think about this and post again later...

Coach C.
01-03-2006, 04:48 PM
The bust argument does not work with me with Bush. He has proven that he is an athlete in college. You would expect him to be an athlete in the NFL. Will he put up the kind of numbers he does right now?Of course not, but he will be good. The argument is whether him and the other 7picks are going to be enough to change the direction of this franchise, or is the subsequent trading of Bush and the 9 or 10 picks going to cover more bases. I mean in the NFL it is understood that the draft is a crapshoot, dont you want more rolls.

michaelm
01-03-2006, 05:00 PM
I mean in the NFL it is understood that the draft is a crapshoot, dont you want more rolls.

Not if I feel that one of the rolls I give up has a higher percentage of hitting, especially if it has a higher percentage of hitting bigger than any of the other rolls... to use your analogy.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 05:03 PM
I think Texans fans should watch the USC/Texas game tomorrow as a must. We can then evaluate Bush as a collective as to whether he can perform at a higher level against a tough defense (as is normal when playing NFL talent) and whether he has the other intangibles that are needed in a NFL running back: Durability, ability to pick up the blitz, to run between the tackles and the ability to get into the endzone. Not only is Bush at center stage but there are other potential linemen that could swing our way between these two teams in the later rounds of the draft.

Coach C.
01-03-2006, 05:06 PM
ok michael M. that is a good use of the analogy. I have no problem with your opinion. the question is does Bush or Leinhart give a higher percentage. Technically Mario Wiliams or AJ Hawk would give the best percentage since it is easier to be successful on the defensive side of the ball rather than the O.

Texans86
01-03-2006, 05:13 PM
I think Texans fans should watch the USC/Texas game tomorrow as a must. We can then evaluate Bush as a collective as to whether he can perform at a higher level against a tough defense (as is normal when playing NFL talent) and whether he has the other intangibles that are needed in a NFL running back: Durability, ability to pick up the blitz, to run between the tackles and the ability to get into the endzone. Not only is Bush at center stage but there are other potential linemen that could swing our way between these two teams in the later rounds of the draft.

So who's gonna start the USC/Texas gameday thread like we do weekly with the Texans games?

eriadoc
01-03-2006, 05:19 PM
To be clear, I'm not arguing anyone will be a bust. I was just offering an alternative point to the poster I quoted.

Is the level of improvement from Bush to DD likely to be more or less than the level of improvement from a 1st round LT to an second round LT or a 1st round LT to Pitts?
I mean team wide impact. I have to admit that if we were able to find that franchise LT, he would most likely have a longer contribution to the team.

Well, I think it depends on the coaching staff. If we get Kubiak in here with a good offensive line coach, there's a possibility they can patch together much better line play than what we've seen to this point in franchise history. If that is the case, then Bush will be able to make plays and will have more immediate impact. However, the ceiling for this group of linemen, in terms of production, is still going to be much lower than that of playoff-caliber teams. Most teams of that caliber have a solid left tackle upon which to build. You never hear anything about those players, but they are responsible for Manning, Palmer, Hasselbeck, Bulger, etc. At some point, this team is going to have to get a stud left tackle. I like Pitts and I entertain the thought of him emerging as that stud, especially for the price we paid. However, I don't realistically think that's going to happen and even if I did, I don't think it's a good idea to plan on it. A rookie left tackle will take a year or two or maybe even three to develop into that franchise left tackle we need. That is the argument so many are using to oppose a 1st-round tackle selection. Two or three years from now, it will still be some variant of that argument, I'm sure. The other argument people are using is this is supposed to be the year of the offensive lineman. Well, if that's the case, then just like in the year of the running back last year, multiple left tackles will be taken in the first round. And I'm not talking about pick #32, either. The tackles that are leftover in the second round will likely grade out as second round picks. That will be why they fell (if any do). Of course, we might find our answer at tackle in Round Two, you never know. The odds are stacked against us doing so, however. So if you're a believer in playing the odds, you can't feel all warm and fuzzy about a tackle drafted at 33. Hopeful, to be sure, but not warm and fuzzy.

I firmly believe a stud left tackle will do more for the long-term prospects of this franchise than Reggie Bush will. I like Reggie Bush and I expect he'll have a productive career in the NFL. But so will Domanick Davis, Adrian Peterson, Laurence Moroney, LenDale White, or any number of backs who will come out within the next few years when we have a stud LT anchoring a much-improved line and no longer have the #1 pick overall or the necessity of that pick.

OzzO
01-03-2006, 11:03 PM
So who's gonna start the USC/Texas gameday thread like we do weekly with the Texans games?

Khari to the white telephone, please....

Bassinguy
01-13-2006, 10:43 PM
If he had the opportunity to play he would be a good back is all i'm saying.
He'll probably be a lot better once he learns that it's almost impossible to run wide on NFL defenses. Also needs to be more decisive in what hole to hit, and hit it quick.

edo783
01-14-2006, 12:41 AM
He'll probably be a lot better once he learns that it's almost impossible to run wide on NFL defenses. Also needs to be more decisive in what hole to hit, and hit it quick.

Kubiak's size 12 on his backside will convince him what to do about hitting the hole. Not only that, a rookie RB not showing courage will get him pummled. He has also said he wants to prove to his doubters that he can run inside. I look for us to use a sort of thunder and lightning with him & DD. DD more inside RB more outside, but nothing exclusive for either.

Big B Texan Fan
01-14-2006, 12:44 AM
Kubiak's size 12 on his backside will convince him what to do about hitting the hole. Not only that, a rookie RB not showing courage will get him pummled. He has also said he wants to prove to his doubters that he can run inside. I look for us to use a sort of thunder and lightning with him & DD. DD more inside RB more outside, but nothing exclusive for either.
tHAT'S MORE LIKE LIGHTNING AND LIGHTNING. A 1 1 PUNCH IF YOU WILL. IT'LL NEVER WORK