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BattleRedTexan
01-02-2006, 05:36 PM
Until recently, I had been fairly certain that the Texans will make the right decison and draft Reggie Bush.

But lately, a lot of my co-workers have been saying: "The Texans will screw it up just like the Oilers used to." Basically, A LOT of the guys that I work with think the Texans will end up drafting someone else or trading the #1 pick.

If the Texans do not draft Reggie Bush, it will be the worst decision they have ever made. The fans have tolerated this horrible season, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel because we know that we can get Reggie Bush now. The Texans can salvage this season, and make the fans happy by drafting Reggie Bush. If they "screw it up," they will make a lot of people angry and they will be making the "same old mistakes" that past Houston ProFootball teams have made.

Reggie Bush is one of those special kinds of players that only come around every once in a while. He is truely a FRANCHISE player (which some people claim that we don't have yet -- although I don't agree with that statement). Players like Reggie Bush are true "difference makers" and they are very rare. I just hope that the Texans draft Reggie Bush, then they can use the other picks to fill other necessary positions.

tulexan
01-02-2006, 05:40 PM
I don't think McNair will let them pick anyone but Reggie. He has said that he is going to have more input on decisions this year.

Overalls
01-02-2006, 05:40 PM
Every year the draft heads call some one a one of a kind type player a real difference maker.

houstonhurricane
01-02-2006, 05:43 PM
We will have plenty of time to debate the merits of Bush vs. trading down. However, we do have to reflect on how lucky we are to have this pick. It will be very interesting to see what offers we receive for the pick and to see how Bush grades out at the combines. It should be fun for all Texans fans to watch!

Tulip
01-02-2006, 05:43 PM
I see only three scenarios that would cause the Texans not to pick Bush:

1. Bush drastically drops his own draft stock due to a combine/pro-day flub, gaining too much weight, etc.

2. Bush injures himself a la Willis McGahee in the Rose Bowl.

3. Some insane GM goes Mike Ditka and offers his team's entire draft for the #1 pick.

Casserly hasn't gone wrong in the first round yet (with the Texans). I'm not overly concerned.

Holden135
01-02-2006, 05:46 PM
I see only three scenarios that would cause the Texans not to pick Bush:

1. Bush drastically drops his own draft stock due to a combine/pro-day flub, gaining too much weight, etc.

2. Bush injures himself a la Willis McGahee in the Rose Bowl.

3. Some insane GM goes Mike Ditka and offers his team's entire draft for the #1 pick.

Casserly hasn't gone wrong in the first round yet (with the Texans). I'm not overly concerned.

Agreed. We have to atleast wave the no. 1 pick in the air and see what kind of offers we get. We could find someone that gets a little crazy. You guys remember when the Cowgirls traded H. Walker for what amounted to about 3 hall of famers?

BattleRedTexan
01-02-2006, 05:48 PM
I keep hearing people question whether David Carr is a: average vs. good vs. great Quarterback.

But one thing is for sure... If the Texans get Reggie Bush, it will make

David Carr a better quarterback, and

Andre Johnson (oops, sorry) a better receiver.

A running threat like Reggie Bush, will force defenses to "worry" about Bush, and that will open up the passing game for Carr, and therefore more big Andre Johnson receptions.

We are in VERY GOOD SHAPE if we get Reggie Bush, and I look forward to next year's offense once we have him...

Overalls
01-02-2006, 05:50 PM
I keep hearing people question whether David Carr is a: average vs. good vs. great Quarterback.

But one thing is for sure... If the Texans get Reggie Bush, it will make

David Carr a better quarterback, and

Andre Owens a better receiver.

A running threat like Reggie Bush, will force defenses to "worry" about Bush, and that will open up the passing game for Carr, and therefore more big Andre Johnson receptions.

We are in VERY GOOD SHAPE if we get Reggie Bush, and I look forward to next year's offense once we have him...


Andre Owens?

BattleRedTexan
01-02-2006, 05:51 PM
Sorry

I meant Andre Johnson!

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 05:54 PM
I see only three scenarios that would cause the Texans not to pick Bush:

1. Bush drastically drops his own draft stock due to a combine/pro-day flub, gaining too much weight, etc.

2. Bush injures himself a la Willis McGahee in the Rose Bowl.

3. Some insane GM goes Mike Ditka and offers his team's entire draft for the #1 pick.

Casserly hasn't gone wrong in the first round yet (with the Texans). I'm not overly concerned.

The problem is that Casserly should be able to get the first round right. His problem is finding the right guys in 2-5. He will find a RB, etc but not any O-lineman. That is where teams like the Patriots and the old Cowboys made their mark. Larry Allen in Rd 2.

Tulip
01-02-2006, 05:57 PM
The problem is that Casserly should be able to get the first round right. His problem is finding the right guys in 2-5. He will find a RB, etc but not any O-lineman. That is where teams like the Patriots and the old Cowboys made their mark. Larry Allen in Rd 2.

Lots of teams have first round busts. He has none for the Texans, so he's actually ahead of the curve.

And Casserly has brought in some really good choices in rounds 2-5.

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 06:01 PM
Lots of teams have first round busts. He has none for the Texans, so he's actually ahead of the curve.

And Casserly has brought in some really good choices in rounds 2-5.

We will continue to disagree. Rd 1 he has done well but I think his draft picks, for the Texans needs, was horrible in Rds 2-5. People confuse getting DD or a Wells with success. DD is good but Wells is a backup. They needed O-line. All of the DBs they picked would be backups on most teams IMO. Same with Ragone. Pitts has been up and down. The #1 pick of the second round their first year was Gafney. He is a 2nd or 3rd receiver at best. WE needed O-Line..not backups at other positions!!People confuse guys that can start for this horrible team and guys who can take you to the playoffs. Look at his record of picks in Washington. He is bad.

Ibar_Harry
01-02-2006, 06:05 PM
The problem is that Casserly should be able to get the first round right. His problem is finding the right guys in 2-5. He will find a RB, etc but not any O-lineman. That is where teams like the Patriots and the old Cowboys made their mark. Larry Allen in Rd 2.

Frog you just don't get it. Casserly has been picking who the COACHING STAFF wanted not necessarily who he wanted. Listen to McNair once again. You don't pick people who your coaching staff don't want. The coaches along with the Scouting staff evaluated who they wanted and then presented that to Casserly. Casserly then proceeded to do the best he could to get that person. That includes PBUC who the coaches wanted so badly. That includes Greenwood who the coaches wanted so badly. McNair's organization has been set up utilizing a decentalized form of management. The Coaches have had a great deal of say in who has been picked and it has not been questioned a whole lot.

aj.
01-02-2006, 06:09 PM
Until recently, I had been fairly certain that the Texans will make the right decison and draft Reggie Bush.

But lately, a lot of my co-workers have been saying: "The Texans will screw it up just like the Oilers used to." .


I'd suggest giving your co-workers a little Oilers draft history lesson. With first round picks over the years that included Eddie George, Steve McNair, Brad Hopkins, Lamar Lathon, David Williams, Lorenzo White, Alonzo Highsmith, Ray Childress, Dean Steinkuhler, Bruce Mathews, Mike Munchak, Earl Campbell, and Robert Brazile, I'd say they have done pretty well.

bigbag12
01-02-2006, 06:13 PM
5 bush's and carr on the field still wont make one bit of diffenrce until we get some O linemen. with no O line brought in even with bush we will sucks for yrs to come IMO.

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 06:20 PM
Frog you just don't get it. Casserly has been picking who the COACHING STAFF wanted not necessarily who he wanted. Listen to McNair once again. You don't pick people who your coaching staff don't want. The coaches along with the Scouting staff evaluated who they wanted and then presented that to Casserly. Casserly then proceeded to do the best he could to get that person. That includes PBUC who the coaches wanted so badly. That includes Greenwood who the coaches wanted so badly. McNair's organization has been set up utilizing a decentalized form of management. The Coaches have had a great deal of say in who has been picked and it has not been questioned a whole lot.

No I do get it and it is sad!!!That is such a company line cop out. If they had kept Capers and not Casserly, the company line would have been that they didn't have the players to fit the coach. People listen to these things and take them as word. What are the supposed to say..."he is horrible too but we have a new plan." McCain, in the paper, has been talking about Casserlys new plan. Should this not have been in place since Day 1?A GMS job title is "personnel decisions." It is weakness if all the decisions are what the coach wants. If that was supposed to be the case then Capers would have been GM/coach. He still is the one presenting the trades, picks, etc and it is in his job title. The way you guys are saying it, he just sat there and did nothing for 4 years. That makes it even worse and doesn't show too well on his leadership or talent as an evaluator. The same complaints were lobbed against him in Washington.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-02-2006, 06:21 PM
Casserly hasn't gone wrong in the first round yet (with the Texans). I'm not overly concerned.

I disagree. I think spending a 1st rounder (#27) on Babin was a mistake. We could have traded the pick for a free agent LB, DL, or WR. Teams would have jumped on a 1st round. If not trade then at least pick up Michael Jenkins from Ohio State who went on the next pick to the Falcons. He would have solved that 2nd WR problem we have. He's tall and fast and would have killed with the double-teams AJ gets.

I have friends who still believe in Babin but I would have rather had Lehman (OU), Karlos Dansby (Auburn), or Dontarrious Thomas (Auburn) who all went after pick #27 in the early 2nd round. It seems like CC is always trying to prove he knows more than every other talent scout. I like the rest of his #1 picks but the Babin pick kills me every time I see Babin rush the passer unsuccessfully (every play he is in).

bigtex77
01-02-2006, 06:29 PM
I'd suggest giving your co-workers a little Oilers draft history lesson. With first round picks over the years that included Eddie George, Steve McNair, Brad Hopkins, Lamar Lathon, David Williams, Lorenzo White, Alonzo Highsmith, Ray Childress, Dean Steinkuhler, Bruce Mathews, Mike Munchak, Earl Campbell, and Robert Brazile, I'd say they have done pretty well.
It doesn't matter what else the Oilers did, because of the fact that they never won a Super Bowl some people in this town will always criticize everything about them.

Tulip
01-02-2006, 06:29 PM
I disagree. I think spending a 1st rounder (#27) on Babin was a mistake. We could have traded the pick for a free agent LB, DL, or WR. Teams would have jumped on a 1st round. If not trade then at least pick up Michael Jenkins from Ohio State who went on the next pick to the Falcons. He would have solved that 2nd WR problem we have. He's tall and fast and would have killed with the double-teams AJ gets.

I have friends who still believe in Babin but I would have rather had Lehman (OU), Karlos Dansby (Auburn), or Dontarrious Thomas (Auburn) who all went after pick #27 in the early 2nd round. It seems like CC is always trying to prove he knows more than every other talent scout. I like the rest of his #1 picks but the Babin pick kills me every time I see Babin rush the passer unsuccessfully (every play he is in).

Babin came off the bench and back from injury looking much improved, recording 2 sacks last week.

It's been very hard for me to evaluate players this season because I thought the players weren't being coached properly and the schemes chosen weren't highlighting their strengths. So I'm looking forward to what light the new HC will shed on Casserly's choices.

Ryan71780
01-02-2006, 06:32 PM
Frog you just don't get it. Casserly has been picking who the COACHING STAFF wanted not necessarily who he wanted. Listen to McNair once again. You don't pick people who your coaching staff don't want. The coaches along with the Scouting staff evaluated who they wanted and then presented that to Casserly. Casserly then proceeded to do the best he could to get that person. That includes PBUC who the coaches wanted so badly. That includes Greenwood who the coaches wanted so badly. McNair's organization has been set up utilizing a decentalized form of management. The Coaches have had a great deal of say in who has been picked and it has not been questioned a whole lot.

Casserly is the GM and is one of the primary people responsible for personnel decisions. Wether it was the coaches ideas to make the bad moves or not, Casserly should not allow it if it is a bad move. Two years in a row, the team gave up way too much for players who aren't even starters(2n & 3rd rounder for Buchanon and 2nd, 3rd &4th rounder for Babin.) They have let the wrong people go(Glenn and Sharper), overpayed free agents(Greenwood & Wade), and made bad 2-5 round picks(Gafney, Joppru, Wand, Hollings, etc.) Some of that blame has to be placed on casserly, if not most of it. The personnel decisions, not the coaching and playcalling, are why the team went from 7-9 to 2-14 with not a whole lot to look forward to next year except Reggie Bush.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-02-2006, 07:18 PM
Babin came off the bench and back from injury looking much improved, recording 2 sacks last week.

It's been very hard for me to evaluate players this season because I thought the players weren't being coached properly and the schemes chosen weren't highlighting their strengths. So I'm looking forward to what light the new HC will shed on Casserly's choices.

I've had patience with the rest of the Texans roster. I might as well give Babin 3 more years to stay healthy for an entire season and finally have a good 16 games. Don't you think waiting for a former #1 LB's 3rd season before he is productive for a full 16 games (I'm not even talking pro-bowl production, just start every game and be in the top 3 for tackles) is a little too long. Injury is always sad but football is a collision sport and staying healthy is apart of a players evaluation as well.

Tulip
01-02-2006, 07:25 PM
Don't you think waiting for a former #1 LB's 3rd season before he is productive for a full 16 games (I'm not even talking pro-bowl production, just start every game and be in the top 3 for tackles) is a little too long.

I'm not waiting for these players to develop, I'm waiting for a new coach. I think Babin could have had a great year with a different coach.

It's not just Babin. I've held off on most of my personnel evaluations. Aside from Mathis, I don't recall seeing any player live up to my expectations this year. This was a down year for players who performed well and were improving in prior years, so I can't single out Babin as especially bust-designation-worthy.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-02-2006, 07:29 PM
I'm not waiting for these players to develop, I'm waiting for a new coach. I think Babin could have had a great year with a different coach.

It's not just Babin. I've held off on most of my personnel evaluations. Aside from Mathis, I don't recall seeing any player live up to my expectations this year. This was a down year for players who performed well and were improving in prior years, so I can't single out Babin as especially bust-designation-worthy.

I respect your response but...Babin's already a BUST in my book. Let's hope I'm giving up on him too early.

BattleRedTexan
01-02-2006, 11:17 PM
Just pray that the Texans don't blow it...

If we don't draft Reggie Bush, it will come back to HAUNT us...

We are talking about a player that won the Heisman in a LANDSLIDE, and that was against a very good player in Vincent Young.

Secondly, Reggie Bush is #2 all time in Heisman trophy votes and that was after having to compete for votes against a very good Vincent Young (only one other college player in the history of the Heisman trophy had more votes than Reggie Bush).

Reggie Bush is a legitimate STAR, and a true franchise player. If people think we have "good enough" running backs, then we should draft Reggie Bush and keep him, and then trade our other "good enough" running backs and see what we can get for them.

frequentfliertx
01-02-2006, 11:43 PM
What good does it do if the Texans have both Bush and Carr?! They'll BOTH be running for their lives if they don't have a good offensive line in front of them.

HOOK'EM
01-02-2006, 11:55 PM
We can take care of tha o line in free angecy. Look at Tampa, Gruden himself said they didnt have a lot of extra money but he went out and found some guys on a budget and they are doing pretty good. i see us doing something simular to that. :redtowel: Maybe kubiak will bring a couple o linemen with him?

Tulip
01-03-2006, 12:33 AM
What good does it do if the Texans have both Bush and Carr?! They'll BOTH be running for their lives if they don't have a good offensive line in front of them.

And Domanick Davis has been running for his life when?

If there's one thing the o-line could manage prior to the last 3 weeks, it was run blocking.

Bobo
01-03-2006, 03:31 AM
Until recently, I had been fairly certain that the Texans will make the right decison and draft Reggie Bush.

But lately, a lot of my co-workers have been saying: "The Texans will screw it up just like the Oilers used to." Basically, A LOT of the guys that I work with think the Texans will end up drafting someone else or trading the #1 pick.

If the Texans do not draft Reggie Bush, it will be the worst decision they have ever made. The fans have tolerated this horrible season, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel because we know that we can get Reggie Bush now. The Texans can salvage this season, and make the fans happy by drafting Reggie Bush. If they "screw it up," they will make a lot of people angry and they will be making the "same old mistakes" that past Houston ProFootball teams have made.

Reggie Bush is one of those special kinds of players that only come around every once in a while. He is truely a FRANCHISE player (which some people claim that we don't have yet -- although I don't agree with that statement). Players like Reggie Bush are true "difference makers" and they are very rare. I just hope that the Texans draft Reggie Bush, then they can use the other picks to fill other necessary positions.

If they do what you want them to do, then the Texans definitely WILL screw it up. History is full of RBs drafted high who failed to come through, and in each case the teams ended up with years of losing seasons due to the squandered pick. Just check out Archie Griffin, Kianna Carter, Curtis Enis and Lawrence Phillips. But teams who use that pick to strengthen other positions -- including the offensive line -- end up putting dynasties together. Look at how the Broncos can put anybody behind their offensive line and succeed in their running game. Bush would be a huge blunder -- especially when you have a solid RB to begin with.

Bobo
01-03-2006, 03:34 AM
Reggie Bush is one of those special kinds of players that only come around every once in a while. He is truely a FRANCHISE player (which some people claim that we don't have yet -- although I don't agree with that statement). Players like Reggie Bush are true "difference makers" and they are very rare. I just hope that the Texans draft Reggie Bush, then they can use the other picks to fill other necessary positions.

Replace the name "Lawrence Phillips" for Reggie Bush and you will hear the exact same refrain that was repeated a few years back. You can also replace Bush's name with Curtis Enis, Kianna Carter and Archie Griffin. I've heard it all before and for the Texans to repeat the same mistake so many other teams have made in previous years would be inexcusable.

michaelm
01-03-2006, 03:42 AM
You guys remember when the Cowgirls traded H. Walker for what amounted to about 3 hall of famers?

I do, and every GM, coach and owner in the league remembers it too...

Bobo
01-03-2006, 03:57 AM
I do, and every GM, coach and owner in the league remembers it too...

Apparently Ditka didn't.

J-Storm
01-03-2006, 06:12 AM
They are gonna 'screw it up' in some way, shape or form to some Texans fans no matter what they do:
1. They take Bush - Bush haters jump on them
2. They don't take Bush - Bush lovers jump on them
3. They take Bush and a bunch of 'ordinary players' - Bush lovers and haters jump on them for the 'ordinary guys'
4. They don't take Bush but a bunch of 'ordinary players' and whoever besides Bush - See 3 + the whoever else...

It's honestly going to be a no-win situation for a lot of Texans fans either way (and the FO) 'cos we really didn't think we'd be in this position after 4 years!

BattleRedTexan
01-03-2006, 08:53 AM
Reggie Bush will make the team better, because he will FORCE defenses to focus more on the run (thus making our passing game more effective).

Yes, there will be some people that will disagree with drafting Bush, BUT

for the most part people will be happy about getting Reggie Bush. The media is already caught up in the hype of Reggie Bush.

The local media loves to talk about Reggie Bush. Not to mention that Reggie Bush is a "human highlight reel" in the national media (just watch ESPN!)

Picking Reggie Bush will be a win-win situation. Because the media will jump on board the Texans bandwagon, the hype will sell even more tickets (and that is ultimately what we want to do).

ATX_Texan
01-03-2006, 09:34 AM
Casserly is the GM and is one of the primary people responsible for personnel decisions.

That is the bottom line. I have to disagree when I hear how great Casserly did with picks like AJ, DRob, and DD. Yet, Babin and PBuc were all Capers' fault. You have to look are ALL the personnel moves that Casserly has done with the Texans. Because, at the end of the day he is responsible for everything that is done. If I go to my boss and ask him to spend money on something for the company, it is his responsibility to review the cost against the benefits of the purchase. If the cost is too high, he is responsible for not making the purchase. For that reason, Casserly is responsible for the horrible trades made for Babin and PBuc. If you look at the overall results, Casserly is a below average GM.

Tulip
01-03-2006, 11:55 AM
That is the bottom line. I have to disagree when I hear how great Casserly did with picks like AJ, DRob, and DD. Yet, Babin and PBuc were all Capers' fault.


I'm inclined to think that Babin and PBuc are Capers' fault, but not in the same way you are stating. I think Babin and PBuc weren't be coached up to their talent level. And he same thing could be said about AJ and DRob this year. Very disappointing season from almost every player.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 11:58 AM
I'm inclined to think that Babin and PBuc are Capers' fault, but not in the same way you are stating. I think Babin and PBuc weren't be coached up to their talent level. And he same thing could be said about AJ and DRob this year. Very disappointing season from almost every player.
Are you inclined to think that Hollings, Weary, TJ and whole list of other blunders are Capers's fault? I say we don't need a GM them if he doesn't make the personnel decisions and has a weak scouting staff (yes, this is Casserly's department and his personnel)