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TEXANRED
01-02-2006, 03:51 PM
Drafting Reggie Bush is the only option the Texans should take. Bush brings to the table instant national exposure, nationaly televised games so the league could show off there nice shiney new gem, a Nike contract bigger than King Jame's. There is not a coach anywhere that wouldnt love to coach Bush. Steller FA that would love to be one of Bush's team mates. All this before Bush ever straps on the pads.

I know what all of you are going to say. We have so many needs. We need a tight end, We need a left tackle, we need a number two receiver, we need another CB, so on and so on.

True, to a point.

We seem to forget that the Texans are going to have six other picks outside of the first. The first overall in the second and I do belive the first and second picks in the third(thank you New Orleans). Dont forget we still have Morency to trade, maybe we could get a second or third. Combine this with free agency where we could pick up a tight end, a receiver, a linebacker, and so on.

What this team needs is a coach with a system that fits the talent that has been assembled. For the longest I have thought the west coast would be a perftect match. Imagine a split back field with Reggie Bush and DD with AJ and Mathis running your deep to mid range patterns.

I do feel that Bush is the answer.

Last but not least, we should put Bush in #34. The greatest number in Houston history.

ATX
01-02-2006, 03:58 PM
I hope Joppru comes back next season and stays healthy. That would be huge.

texan279
01-02-2006, 04:01 PM
Drafting Reggie Bush is the only option the Texans should take. Bush brings to the table instant national exposure, nationaly televised games so the league could show off there nice shiney new gem, a Nike contract bigger than King Jame's. There is not a coach anywhere that wouldnt love to coach Bush. Steller FA that would love to be one of Bush's team mates. All this before Bush ever straps on the pads.

I know what all of you are going to say. We have so many needs. We need a tight end, We need a left tackle, we need a number two receiver, we need another CB, so on and so on.

True, to a point.

We seem to forget that the Texans are going to have six other picks outside of the first. The first overall in the second and I do belive the first and second picks in the third(thank you New Orleans). Dont forget we still have Morency to trade, maybe we could get a second or third. Combine this with free agency where we could pick up a tight end, a receiver, a linebacker, and so on.

What this team needs is a coach with a system that fits the talent that has been assembled. For the longest I have thought the west coast would be a perftect match. Imagine a split back field with Reggie Bush and DD with AJ and Mathis running your deep to mid range patterns.

I do feel that Bush is the answer.

Last but not least, we should put Bush in #34. The greatest number in Houston history.

National exposure and Nike contracts do not win Super Bowls. Bush alone cannot turn this team into a playoff contender.

HardKnockTexan
01-02-2006, 04:03 PM
National exposure and Nike contracts do not win Super Bowls. Bush alone cannot turn this team into a playoff contender.

Very true, but I do love it when I see my Texans on national TV. Especially when its about something besides us being a laughingstock.

stevo3883
01-02-2006, 04:05 PM
National exposure and Nike contracts do not win Super Bowls. Bush alone cannot turn this team into a playoff contender.


oh, but A left tackle and a 2nd round pick can?

Ill take Reggie Bush over Dbrick and 1 or 2 prospects every day of the week.

texan279
01-02-2006, 04:06 PM
oh, but A left tackle and a 2nd round pick can?

Ill take Reggie Bush over Dbrick and 1 or 2 prospects every day of the week.

I seriously doubt the Texans trade down and only get one 2nd round pick out of the deal...

tex2theend
01-02-2006, 04:10 PM
Draft Reggie number 1
Sign Wells to a long term contract (Not as expensive as DD)
Trade DD for a 2nd round pick to a team that needs RB (Jets, Niners, etc.)
Texans end up with two second rounders and two third rounders.
Take a left tackle with the first pick of the second round.
Use the other second and third round picks on a TE (Do no bank on Jouppru), OL, DB etc.

I don't think the texans will have the cap space to have a backfield with Carr, DD, Bush type salaries.

Tex2theend

Carr Bombed
01-02-2006, 04:11 PM
The texans aren't going to trade down. It is almost a 90% certainty that they are going to take bush. The other 10% is if he blows his knee in the rose bowl or if the absolute trade of the century happens, which I don't think will.

stevo3883
01-02-2006, 04:20 PM
I seriously doubt the Texans trade down and only get one 2nd round pick out of the deal...

most poeple suggest we trade down 2 spots. We could get what, a 2nd and 3rd for that?

Dbrick isnt a sure thing, and then you have 2 prospects that could turn out like Buchanon or hollings or babin.

Go with Reggie and if he somehow busts, u took a chance on a superstar prospect, if he does what most think he does, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

TEXANRED
01-02-2006, 04:30 PM
Draft Reggie number 1
Sign Wells to a long term contract (Not as expensive as DD)
Trade DD for a 2nd round pick to a team that needs RB (Jets, Niners, etc.)
Texans end up with two second rounders and two third rounders.
Take a left tackle with the first pick of the second round.
Use the other second and third round picks on a TE (Do no bank on Jouppru), OL, DB etc.

I don't think the texans will have the cap space to have a backfield with Carr, DD, Bush type salaries.

Tex2theend

Hey I like that. I was thinking we keep DD and trade Morency and lose wells to FA. With that plan we dont lose anything. In fact we gain another draft pick.

Good job.

Harrisment
01-02-2006, 04:51 PM
Draft Reggie number 1
Sign Wells to a long term contract (Not as expensive as DD)
Trade DD for a 2nd round pick to a team that needs RB (Jets, Niners, etc.)
Texans end up with two second rounders and two third rounders.
Take a left tackle with the first pick of the second round.
Use the other second and third round picks on a TE (Do no bank on Jouppru), OL, DB etc.

I don't think the texans will have the cap space to have a backfield with Carr, DD, Bush type salaries.

Tex2theend


There is no way you get a 2nd round pick for DD. Since he just got that raise last year he's not nearly attractive as a trade option for other teams. I think you'd probably get a 4th round pick for him in a trade...same that Denver got when they traded Droughns last offseason.

Johnny Utah
01-02-2006, 05:50 PM
I seriously doubt the Texans trade down and only get one 2nd round pick out of the deal...

Well, we did retain Casserly.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 06:50 PM
Draft Reggie number 1
Sign Wells to a long term contract (Not as expensive as DD)
Trade DD for a 2nd round pick to a team that needs RB (Jets, Niners, etc.)
Texans end up with two second rounders and two third rounders.
Take a left tackle with the first pick of the second round.
Use the other second and third round picks on a TE (Do no bank on Jouppru), OL, DB etc.

I don't think the texans will have the cap space to have a backfield with Carr, DD, Bush type salaries.

Tex2theend

We are not going to trade Domanick Davis, no team would offer us a 2nd round pick for him and that would be $7 million against our cap. As for the previously mentioned option of trading Morency, at this point I doubt we'd get a 4th round pick for him since he's barely played this year.

I don't think we'll find a OT in the 2nd round that would become our future starting LT, most good ones are drafted in the 1st round and although there are a lot of good OL in this draft, a lot of teams need OL help and there aren't a lot of other star players available so I think a lot of the good OL could be drafted in the 1st round, at least most of the good OT prospects, not to mention we really need to bring in at least two offensive linemen this year and I don't want to start having to reach on finding one in the 3rd round to come start for us next year.

I agree that the contracts for Carr, Bush, and Davis (not to mention Andre and then the numerous players we've overpaid for in the past few years) will be somewhat hard to have together, but we're already stuck with all of those contracts except for Bush, and he's not that much of an upgrade over our current RBs.

most poeple suggest we trade down 2 spots. We could get what, a 2nd and 3rd for that?

Dbrick isnt a sure thing, and then you have 2 prospects that could turn out like Buchanon or hollings or babin.

Go with Reggie and if he somehow busts, u took a chance on a superstar prospect, if he does what most think he does, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Any player can bust, but the likelihood of a top OT prospect and an addition two 2nd round picks all busting vs. a single RB getting injured and/or busting is remote.

CITY CAT
01-02-2006, 07:08 PM
Who would be willing to trade with us, SF and NYJ can't afford to let go of 4 or 5 players. We don't want extra draft picks either, who knows what CC will do with them.:challenge

TEXANRED
01-02-2006, 07:16 PM
I don't think we'll find a OT in the 2nd round that would become our future starting LT, most good ones are drafted in the 1st round and although there are a lot of good OL in this draft, a lot of teams need OL help and there aren't a lot of other star players available so I think a lot of the good OL could be drafted in the 1st round, at least most of the good OT prospects, not to mention we really need to bring in at least two offensive linemen this year and I don't want to start having to reach on finding one in the 3rd round to come start for us next year.

Bush, he's not that much of an upgrade over our current RBs.



Any player can bust, but the likelihood of a top OT prospect and an addition two 2nd round picks all busting vs. a single RB getting injured and/or busting is remote.
I might be the only one on this board who thinks this but I really like Pitts as our starting left tackle. Leave him there. He's fine. Did you see how he controlled freeney when he started this year? He is solid, durable, dependable. When Riley was demoted and Pitts started instantly we got better. I think we should draft a right tackle in the second and defense the rest of the way.

Bush, not an upgrade? So you dont think bush could stay healthy and play for an entire season?

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 07:22 PM
I might be the only one on this board who thinks this but I really like Pitts as our starting left tackle. Leave him there. He's fine. Did you see how he controlled freeney when he started this year? He is solid, durable, dependable. When Riley was demoted and Pitts started instantly we got better. I think we should draft a right tackle in the second and defense the rest of the way.

Bush, not an upgrade? So you dont think bush could stay healthy and play for an entire season?

I think Pitts is a capable LT, but we definitely need a RT too and it would be good to draft one that could compete with Pitts for our LT spot in the future rather than another Todd Wade that is just average.

Bush is not that much of an upgrade at all, he is faster than Davis but that is it, and I don't know if he can stay healthy for an entire season. Davis' problem this year was he was overworked certain games (22 carries in the first half of the Colts game here was what started his problems). I don't think Bush could sustain that kind of workload either, not many people can. I think Davis can stay healthy if he actually got a break at some point during games rather than being in for 95% of the plays, which is the entire reason we brought in Morency and have kept Wells and that Bush would have the same problems that Davis has had if he is used in the same way, so I think if our next coach uses our current RBs more intelligently that Davis will not have any injury problems either.

CITY CAT
01-02-2006, 07:32 PM
I think Pitts is a capable LT, but we definitely need a RT too and it would be good to draft one that could compete with Pitts for our LT spot in the future rather than another Todd Wade that is just average.

Bush is not that much of an upgrade at all, he is faster than Davis but that is it, and I don't know if he can stay healthy for an entire season. Davis' problem this year was he was overworked certain games (22 carries in the first half of the Colts game here was what started his problems). I don't think Bush could sustain that kind of workload either, not many people can. I think Davis can stay healthy if he actually got a break at some point during games rather than being in for 95% of the plays, which is the entire reason we brought in Morency and have kept Wells and that Bush would have the same problems that Davis has had if he is used in the same way, so I think if our next coach uses our current RBs more intelligently that Davis will not have any injury problems either.

Bush isn't much of an upgrade? I don't remember DD winning the Heisman or 3 national championships at LSU. I love DD, and I think he needs some help.

Tulip
01-02-2006, 07:41 PM
I might be the only one on this board who thinks this but I really like Pitts as our starting left tackle. Leave him there. He's fine. Did you see how he controlled freeney when he started this year? He is solid, durable, dependable. When Riley was demoted and Pitts started instantly we got better.

I'm with you. I never thought Pitts should have been moved from LT last year.

They actually got it right this year moving Pitts back to LT, moving McKinney to LG and moving Hodgdon into the Center position. Too bad injuries didn't allow it to last long.

tulexan
01-02-2006, 07:52 PM
Bush is definitely an upgrade over Davis. He is faster, has better moves, a better receiver, and a better blocker.

swtbound07
01-02-2006, 07:54 PM
he isnt any of these things yet....he hasnt played a down in the nfl but he is an upgrade over a 1000 yard back?

HJam72
01-02-2006, 07:56 PM
I'm with you. I never thought Pitts should have been moved from LT last year.

They actually got it right this year moving Pitts back to LT, moving McKinney to LG and moving Hodgdon into the Center position. Too bad injuries didn't allow it to last long.

I agree with all of that, but I don't think that Pitts is a real LT. He's just the best that we have right now. He is a real, legitimate RT. McKinney needs to play guard, guard, guard. He has no business playing center and it really irks me that he's been doing it ALL this time. :brickwall Furthermor, Capers and company jerked Pitts from LT and made him a guard just when he was developing at OT so they could bring in the ROOKIE Seth Wand, who is NOW probably the second best tackle we have, but sits on the bench.

More than all of that, they changed the PASS blocking scheme before the start of year 3 at the same time that they changed to zone blocking. Our running game has not improved at all (DD's first year was before the change), but our pass protection has sunk into oblivion. Maybe Kubiak can fix that problem somehow. If we don't get Kubiak (not that I've made up my mind about coaches yet), then we really need to trash the whole blocking scheme and get back to basics.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 07:59 PM
Bush isn't much of an upgrade? I don't remember DD winning the Heisman or 3 national championships at LSU. I love DD, and I think he needs some help.

As has been duly noted on this board, winning a Heisman doesn't translate much to NFL success, and winning national championships has a lot more to do with their surrounding team than just him.

Bush is definitely an upgrade over Davis. He is faster, has better moves, a better receiver, and a better blocker.

The only reason he would be a better receiver is because he is faster. I wouldn't say he has better moves, he can execute a juke at a higher speed but he can't run through tackles as well at all. Davis isn't a good blocker, but I have yet to see anything in him that says he is a better blocker than Davis.

he isnt any of these things yet....he hasnt played a down in the nfl but he is an upgrade over a 1000 yard back?

Exactly.

tulexan
01-02-2006, 07:59 PM
All of those attributes except for maybe better blocking have nothing to do with NCAA or NFL. Reggie isn't going to go from a 4.28 40 time to a 4.5 40 time for no reason. His juking abilities and running instincts aren't going to change. His hands aren't going to go from soft to stone once he gets drafted either. And I bet if you put the two on the field together Reggie would make Domanick Davis look like what he is, a 4th round running back.

HJam72
01-02-2006, 08:09 PM
It all comes down to what is offered for that pick. I can't say I would take him or trade it. All I know is I wouldn't spend the #1 on Ferguson or Winston, despite how badly I want one of those guys. I just hope they don't go nuts and take Leinhart or Vinson with the #1. :penalty:

big homey
01-02-2006, 08:40 PM
I don't think we should draft Reggie OR D'Brick.:thud:

Pitts is legit at LT, and Wiegert can actually hold down the right side. When I watch the games, most of the pressure comes from the inside, amongst our backup guards and sorry center. We can find both of those positions in the middle rounds.

So what do we do with the first rounder anyway? We trade down first (but not too far) and take A.J. Hawk. I'm watching the Fiesta Bowl right now and can testify that this guy is the real deal, and I wonder why he didn't win the Butkus award (maybe Polunzsky is that good). He can help this defense by moving around and wreaking havoc. If we don't get Hawk, then maybe the other guy could work, pending the Orange Bowl.

In the 2nd we could pick up Scott, Jean-Giles, or the best TE on the board and shore up the weak spots on the line. Plus, I hear LeCharles Bentley and Steve Hutchinson are coming in FA.

Just my :twocents: .

royce1054
01-02-2006, 09:02 PM
Bush is definitely an upgrade over Davis. He is faster, has better moves, a better receiver, and a better blocker.

how do you know that. Did he do that in his rookie season. If this is your opinion then its kool but you should write that. Until he plays and proves it then he could be a Kajana Carter or another bust so pls add IMO at the end of your statement.

Carr Bombed
01-02-2006, 09:08 PM
There is no way we are taking AJ Hawk with the first pick. lb isn't our biggest need and we are about to bring in a offensive minded coach, we are going offense with the first pick

royce1054
01-02-2006, 09:17 PM
There is no way we are taking AJ Hawk with the first pick. lb isn't our biggest need and we are about to bring in a offensive minded coach, we are going offense with the first pick


neither is RB. If we go off what u said then we will go OL

Carr Bombed
01-02-2006, 09:36 PM
neither is RB. If we go off what u said then we will go OLWe wont go OL with the first pick, because there isn't a clear cut #1 who is worthy of a high #1 selection. I'm not sold on D'Brick, he can't knock people back and off the line and think we can find similar talent in the 2nd round. So you take the BPA and that is Bush.

big homey
01-02-2006, 09:45 PM
There is no way we are taking AJ Hawk with the first pick. lb isn't our biggest need and we are about to bring in a offensive minded coach, we are going offense with the first pick
We don't need a RB either, and just because a coach leans toward one side of the ball doesn't mean the other side is ignored. Despite Capers, we still got Carr and AJ.

Carr Bombed
01-02-2006, 09:54 PM
We don't need a RB either, and just because a coach leans toward one side of the ball doesn't mean the other side is ignored. Despite Capers, we still got Carr and AJ. That is completely different circumstances, but in a way your argument actually supports mine. Carr was taken to be the FRANCHISE player with the first pick in the draft (sounds familiar) and it had nothing to do with who was coach. AJ was drafted to give him a legit threat, because we all know Bradford wasn't Rice. All of these choices were chosen when we had a veteren defense, before all the injuries in 2003 accured. Again we have the top pick in the draft and agian the texans will take another FRANCHISE player. We will be able to take a top quality OLman in the 2nd and bringing in a new Line coach will do wonders for this team.

big homey
01-02-2006, 10:02 PM
That is completely different circumstances, but in a way your argument actually supports mine. Carr was taken to be the FRANCHISE player with the first pick in the draft (sounds familiar) and it had nothing to do with who was coach. AJ was drafted to give him a legit threat, because we all know Bradford wasn't Rice. All of these choices were chosen when we had a veteren defense, before all the injuries in 2003 accured. Again we have the top pick in the draft and agian the texans will take another FRANCHISE player. We will be able to take a top quality OLman in the 2nd and bringing in a new Line coach will do wonders for this team.
I still don't see a reason to draft Bush, and we need SOMEBODY to help our ridiculous defense.

Carr Bombed
01-02-2006, 10:09 PM
We have 4 picks in the first 67 picks and some of those picks are going to the defense, but this team isn't going to be fixed in one draft. We should take the best player to establish a solid core and then build around them. All I know is a backfield with DD and Bush would be scary and a threat like bush would take pressure off your qb and your wrs.

LBC_Justin
01-02-2006, 10:12 PM
I hope Joppru comes back next season and stays healthy. That would be huge.I think about this constantly. This guy if he stays healthy could be the missing link.

Bush & Joppru
better than
LT and Antonio Gates?

A guy can dream.

big homey
01-02-2006, 10:13 PM
But wouldn't it help more to get a top-quality defender rather than spending the pick on someone we don't need and then getting a player of lesser caliber on D?

Also, what do you think of Jimmy Williams? We need a real #2 corner, but he seems questionable at the top of the draft.

Carr Bombed
01-02-2006, 10:18 PM
Nothing will your defense more like a great running game that can put points on the board and bush might be able to protect our defense until we are able to plug some holes. I would like to have another top flight cb, but don't think we would be able to take one high, I do see us taking one with one of our 3rd round picks

LBC_Justin
01-02-2006, 10:24 PM
Any player can bust, but the likelihood of a top OT prospect and an addition two 2nd round picks all busting vs. a single RB getting injured and/or busting is remote.
From what I have been hearing O-lineman are the most likely to Bust and are the least likely to have an immediate impact.

But I will the be the first to agree that a great Line on both sides of the ball is required to be good.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 11:29 PM
From what I have been hearing O-lineman are the most likely to Bust and are the least likely to have an immediate impact.

But I will the be the first to agree that a great Line on both sides of the ball is required to be good.

Actually OLinemen generally are about the least likely to be a bust. Many times they don't come on and become dominant LTs in their first year but they can come in and make immediate impacts.

TEXANRED
01-02-2006, 11:33 PM
I still don't see a reason to draft Bush, and we need SOMEBODY to help our ridiculous defense.
Hopefully when we get a new HC he will install the 43. I have said this all year, a D line made up of Peek, Babin, TJ, Smith, would be a productive scary line. Lets face it, Peek and Babin couldnt cover a baby's butt with a diapar. What they do have is a motor and a nose for the football. Put those two back down in the three point stance and tell them to sick the qb. Then you have Orr and Wong and then we could pick up a FA linebacker to play the other side.

What this team has never ever had is a decent saftey. I dont think there are any coming out this year but you never know.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 11:38 PM
Hopefully when we get a new HC he will install the 43. I have said this all year, a D line made up of Peek, Babin, TJ, Smith, would be a productive scary line. Lets face it, Peek and Babin couldnt cover a baby's butt with a diapar. What they do have is a motor and a nose for the football. Put those two back down in the three point stance and tell them to sick the qb. Then you have Orr and Wong and then we could pick up a FA linebacker to play the other side.

What this team has never ever had is a decent saftey. I dont think there are any coming out this year but you never know.

Peek will need to gain at least 10 lbs. to become a full-time DE again but I wouldn't be overly opposed to it, although if we do switch to a 4-3 I'd think about drafting someone like Mario Williams in the 1st round. Unfortunately Greenwood is locked in with a pretty hefty contract so he and Wong are a lock to be here next year, and I think Orr is a good OLB too so those three would be a decent LB crew. I'd definitely like to see Greenwood out of there but it's not a very viable option right now.

TEXANRED
01-02-2006, 11:50 PM
I'd definitely like to see Greenwood out of there but it's not a very viable option right now.
I would too. I guess Cass will blame that on capers as well.

Couldnt we tell Greenwood we moved and change the locks on the door?

royce1054
01-03-2006, 06:14 AM
We wont go OL with the first pick, because there isn't a clear cut #1 who is worthy of a high #1 selection. I'm not sold on D'Brick, he can't knock people back and off the line and think we can find similar talent in the 2nd round. So you take the BPA and that is Bush.


thats wasnt what was said. You said by NEED. which is OL, LB, CB, TE. BPA might be Bush but do you really think drafting another running back will help this team. Davis has a hard contract to deal. We wont get value for him that makes trading him dumb. Then if you keep him and dont use him thats a waste of money. So if he splits time with Bush we have like what 70 Mil locked up between 2 players thats what 10-15 mil a year. Thats too much to have locked up on RB's not including the money we fork out for Carr.

MorKnolle
01-03-2006, 11:24 AM
I would too. I guess Cass will blame that on capers as well.

Couldnt we tell Greenwood we moved and change the locks on the door?

I wish it were that simple, there are a couple players I would like to do that to.

PrivateG
01-03-2006, 01:51 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/college_football/20051208-9999-1s8reggie.html

Reggie In 06

Bullpen Drew
01-03-2006, 02:26 PM
Looks like Reggie wouldn't mind coming to Houston..

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/01/3uscnotes.html

HOOK'EM
01-16-2006, 11:32 PM
Just get BUSH:redtowel:

texplayer2
01-17-2006, 12:02 AM
Just get BUSH:redtowel:

If the world ain't listening then change it.
:)

HOOK'EM
01-17-2006, 12:19 PM
Like I said, just get BUSH!:redtowel:

HOOK'EM
01-18-2006, 05:51 AM
,,,,,,,,,,just do it!:redtowel:

dat_boy_yec
01-31-2006, 10:46 PM
^what he said.