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Marcus
01-02-2006, 02:33 PM
I keep reading this same tired old line from many of you that . . . Capers was fired because he lost the respect of the players.

Um . . excuse me but nothing could be further from the truth. He had the utmost respect of the players every season he's been here. And they admired him this season for staying calm and level-headed despite the circumstances, and that's why they continued to play hard for him.

He got fired because they didn't win. Period.

Texans Pride
01-02-2006, 02:35 PM
I agree Marcus, lack of respect was the only thing I didn't hear from the players. If anything, they gained more respect for him for his toughness through this season (see David Carr's quote in this morning Chronicle).

Tulip
01-02-2006, 02:39 PM
Agreed. Player quotes from today:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3559727.html

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3560183.html

houstonhurricane
01-02-2006, 02:39 PM
Totally agree. I am pretty amazed how this team remained committed to Capers even after it became apparent he would be gone after the season was over. That certainly says alot about Caper's character and also how mature most members of the team are.

the wonger need food
01-02-2006, 03:09 PM
They have never lost respect for him as a person, but as a coach he lost them last season when it started to become apparant that his system (playing not to lose, keeping the score close) would not produce results. Go back and read the quotes from Sharper and Walker last year when the slide started.

Marcus
01-02-2006, 04:13 PM
They have never lost respect for him as a person, but as a coach he lost them last season when it started to become apparant that his system (playing not to lose, keeping the score close) would not produce results. Go back and read the quotes from Sharper and Walker last year when the slide started.

That's absolute crap wonger. I read and heard those quotes. You have no idea who they were directing their comments at. Get your facts straight!

aj.
01-02-2006, 04:25 PM
I keep reading this same tired old line from many of you that . . . Capers was fired because he lost the respect of the players.

Um . . excuse me but nothing could be further from the truth. He had the utmost respect of the players every season he's been here. And they admired him this season for staying calm and level-headed despite the circumstances, and that's why they continued to play hard for him.

He got fired because they didn't win. Period.

I don't think that Capers ever lost the team respect-wise, but it's clear to me that the players lost confidence in his system.

(what's scary is I hit reply after reading the first post and didn't see Wonger's post until after I posted mine)

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 04:28 PM
I don't think that Capers ever lost the team respect-wise, but it's clear to me that the players lost confidence in his system.

I have no clue though how McNair expects people to respect any decision Charlie will make. I think McNair even has some confidence issues after this decision.

run-david-run
01-02-2006, 05:01 PM
the one positive is that cass will be on a very short leash. antoher loosing season like this one and he should be on the road, looking for a job. hopefully this means he will get his head out of the sand and FINNALLY address the O-line. only took 215 sacks!!!!

the wonger need food
01-02-2006, 07:39 PM
That's absolute crap wonger. I read and heard those quotes. You have no idea who they were directing their comments at. Get your facts straight!

So who, in your opinion, were these quotes directed at?

Malloy
01-02-2006, 08:43 PM
I keep reading this same tired old line from many of you that . . . Capers was fired because he lost the respect of the players.

Um . . excuse me but nothing could be further from the truth. He had the utmost respect of the players every season he's been here. And they admired him this season for staying calm and level-headed despite the circumstances, and that's why they continued to play hard for him.

He got fired because they didn't win. Period.

I absolutely agree. He never lost the players and to be honest, Capers never lost me as a fan.

GL with whatever you do in the future Dom! :)

Texas_Heat
01-02-2006, 11:09 PM
You can't lose what you never had, he never had respect from this team this year

Marcus
01-02-2006, 11:37 PM
I guess some of you wouldn't know respect, or how to be respectful, if it was fed to you through a straw. But you got the being pathetic bit down cold.:thumbdown :loser

the wonger need food
01-03-2006, 09:18 AM
I guess some of you wouldn't know respect, or how to be respectful, if it was fed to you through a straw. But you got the being pathetic bit down cold.:thumbdown :loser

So Marcus, if Sharper and Walker's statements were not directed at the coaching staff, who were they intended for?

Everyone thinks Capers was a first-class guy and has a lot of respect for him as a person... he just wasn't a good coach for this team. Let's not forget that he played a big part in turning this team into the NFL's worst.

gtexan02
01-03-2006, 10:25 AM
Do you know how easy it is to say that you respect a guy after he just got fired for the 5th time (i don't know how many, but its been a lot). Around week 10, Carr said he'd like Capers to stay and liked playing for him. He wasn't telling the truth, he was being sportsmanlike and a good politician. A player can't go out and say that they never respected their coach, etc, or they get labeled a T.O. headcase. The team DID NOT respect Capers this season. He was like their pushover father, who they could have choose to listen to or not. We need someone who is going to make the players ACCOUNTABLE. That is the only way to gain their respect. Capers has always been a LOSER. He will be forever cursed with a losing record. We need someone with a WINNING mindset

GP
01-03-2006, 10:37 AM
"I guess some of you wouldn't know respect, or how to be respectful, if it was fed to you through a straw. But you got the being pathetic bit down cold. " -- Marcus

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This coming from the guy who in another thread said I needed to have my *** kicked. :challenge

You need anger management classes, bro.

Capers doesn't need you to defend him, OK?

You and SheTexan running around this board berating everyone for being "disrespectful" as if you are the message board parents is getting very sad and very t-i-r-e-d. And I wouldn't have to do this publicly if the board mods would respond to my "alert" on Marcus' call for violence against me. I guess the board rules are open to interpretation.

The sappy, fake tears for a HC who should have had the DIGNITY to dismiss himself about four games into the season is so frustrating.

Now, back to the TOPIC of this thread:

Capers was coddled by the players. They had respect enough to not throw him overboard, and THAT'S what should be celebrated. But if you think they respected him out of his achievements, you're wrong.

And last time I checked, the SB is won by winning and not by having a good 'ole grandfatherly HC who hands out lollipops after the game.

Nice guy. But a bad HC for this team and its personnel.

GP
01-03-2006, 10:41 AM
And for some of you who are mourning Capers and berating anybody who dares to critique him during this time of national mourning and reflection....

Think about this:

Where are your tears for the players Casserly drafted and/or acquired who got plugged into Capers' poor 3-4 and even worse offensive style?

That's FOUR years of wasted time for NFL players who already have a small window to begin with.

So boo-hoo-hoo. Cry me a river for poor 'ole Dom The Valiant.

It was his ship, and we went down with it. Quit using it as a way to exalt yourself as some all-feeling and all-respectful person while you try to humiliate us for being glad that a new HC is on his way into the organization.

Marcus
01-03-2006, 10:46 AM
Again, it's apparent that you don't know what 'respect' means. You can fault Capers philosophy and his schemes all you want in other threads.

Players, including Sharper, may have grumbled about the staff's gameplans, schemes, or whatever. How could they not if the team is losing, and they want to win? Sure they are going to ***** and complain.

But up until the last minute of the last game of the season, they continued to play hard, and tried to win the game. None of the players mailed it in. And that was in response to how Capers kept his cool, and didn't fly off the handle, and go into some knee-jerk tirade like some fans did. Yeah, he didn't win, and that's why he was fired. That's the way it works in the NFL.

But this idea that they didn't win because Capers lost the respect of the players is total ignorant BS.

the wonger need food
01-03-2006, 10:52 AM
But this idea that they didn't win because Capers lost the respect of the players is total ignorant BS.

Dude... you just don't get it. No one has said that they don't respect Capers as a person. He's a fine, upstanding person and everyone recognizes this. What we (and the current player's are starting to say now that he's gone) are saying is that they lost respect for him as a coach/game planner/strategist.

Marcus
01-03-2006, 11:01 AM
"I guess some of you wouldn't know respect, or how to be respectful, if it was fed to you through a straw. But you got the being pathetic bit down cold. " -- Marcus

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This coming from the guy who in another thread said I needed to have my *** kicked. :challenge

You need anger management classes, bro.

Capers doesn't need you to defend him, OK?

You and SheTexan running around this board berating everyone for being "disrespectful" as if you are the message board parents is getting very sad and very t-i-r-e-d. And I wouldn't have to do this publicly if the board mods would respond to my "alert" on Marcus' call for violence against me. I guess the board rules are open to interpretation.

The sappy, fake tears for a HC who should have had the DIGNITY to dismiss himself about four games into the season is so frustrating.

Now, back to the TOPIC of this thread:

Capers was coddled by the players. They had respect enough to not throw him overboard, and THAT'S what should be celebrated. But if you think they respected him out of his achievements, you're wrong.

And last time I checked, the SB is won by winning and not by having a good 'ole grandfatherly HC who hands out lollipops after the game.

Nice guy. But a bad HC for this team and its personnel.

Geez.......

How embarassing. The guy has alzheimers or some sort of dimentia.

:embarrass

Like I said in the other thread. Case closed.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 11:01 AM
Dude... you just don't get it. No one has said that they don't respect Capers as a person. He's a fine, upstanding person and everyone recognizes this. What we (and the current player's are starting to say now that he's gone) are saying is that they lost respect for him as a coach/game planner/strategist.
LOL, what are you thinking that the playes are going to say that is their fault? Other than Peek I've seen hardly anyone step up and be man enough to say that they just didn't make the plays.

Texans Horror
01-03-2006, 11:01 AM
About who lost the respect of the players...I'm thinking the good ole grandfatherly Capers might have lost some, but not as much as the old wizard Gargamel, err...Pendry:

http://kisrael.com/journal.aux/2005.02.19.gargamel.jpg

Marcus
01-03-2006, 11:03 AM
"I guess some of you wouldn't know respect, or how to be respectful, if it was fed to you through a straw. But you got the being pathetic bit down cold. " -- Marcus

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This coming from the guy who in another thread said I needed to have my *** kicked. :challenge

You need anger management classes, bro.

Capers doesn't need you to defend him, OK?

You and SheTexan running around this board berating everyone for being "disrespectful" as if you are the message board parents is getting very sad and very t-i-r-e-d. And I wouldn't have to do this publicly if the board mods would respond to my "alert" on Marcus' call for violence against me. I guess the board rules are open to interpretation.

The sappy, fake tears for a HC who should have had the DIGNITY to dismiss himself about four games into the season is so frustrating.

Now, back to the TOPIC of this thread:

Capers was coddled by the players. They had respect enough to not throw him overboard, and THAT'S what should be celebrated. But if you think they respected him out of his achievements, you're wrong.

And last time I checked, the SB is won by winning and not by having a good 'ole grandfatherly HC who hands out lollipops after the game.

Nice guy. But a bad HC for this team and its personnel.

Geez.......

How embarassing. The guy has alzheimers or some sort of dimentia.

:embarrass

Like I said in the other thread. Case closed. And yes, you do deserve to have your *** kicked.

Marcus
01-03-2006, 11:11 AM
Dude... you just don't get it. No one has said that they don't respect Capers as a person. He's a fine, upstanding person and everyone recognizes this. What we (and the current player's are starting to say now that he's gone) are saying is that they lost respect for him as a coach/game planner/strategist.

How do you know they lost respect for him as a coach/game planner/strategist? How do you know they didn't buy into it, but couldn't do it? By what Sharper said?

I know. I know. Give the players a pass. Absolve them of all the blame. None of it was their fault. yadda yadda yadda :listening

the wonger need food
01-03-2006, 11:35 AM
How do you know they lost respect for him as a coach/game planner/strategist? How do you know they didn't buy into it, but couldn't do it? By what Sharper said?

I know. I know. Give the players a pass. Absolve them of all the blame. None of it was their fault. yadda yadda yadda :listening

There are many player quotes out there that call the coaching into question, I just don't have time to find them all. The most telling...

Jamie Sharper - "Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games."

Dunta Robinson - "I do think the scheme played a part in what happened. We've been in a 3-4 defense since Day 1. Sometimes, the players don't always fit the scheme."


Nobody gets a pass. From McNair to the girls that ride around the parking lot in those scooter thingies, everyone in the organization has played a hand in the downfall. Your contention in this thread is that the players did not lose respect for Capers as a coach and I strongly disagree.

How many players have said that if Capers were given more time they could turn it around? Zero... which tells me that they have no faith in him as a coach. As a person, he'll probably get a Christmas card (can I use this or should it be holiday card?) from 90% of them.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 11:50 AM
"I wanted to carry him off on my shoulders," center Steve McKinney

"I feel bad that we didn't play the way we needed to on the football field," nose tackle Seth Payne

Go ahead and spin that. And Walker said that Capers was a good coach and will easily find a new job.

gtexan02
01-03-2006, 03:31 PM
Like I said before, of course they have nice things to say about him NOW THAT HES BEEN FIRED. Where were the nice messages earlier in the season? Where were the votes of confidence earlier? There were NONE, because the players completely lost respect for him as a coach. If they critiqued him during the season, they get labeled TO. they knew that he couldn't coach them to the playoffs, and so lost the fire that they played with. i cannot believe anyone would say that Texas were playing with fire in their eyes. Have you completely forgotten the season? A lot of times it looked like the defense didn't even car what happened

Runner
01-03-2006, 03:33 PM
About who lost the respect of the players...I'm thinking the good ole grandfatherly Capers might have lost some, but not as much as the old wizard Gargamel, err...Pendry:

http://kisrael.com/journal.aux/2005.02.19.gargamel.jpg


That is pretty funny. He does remind me of Pendry.