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Big B Texan Fan
01-02-2006, 12:09 PM
Why would he say that "we're not drafting Leinert" in the Bob Allen post game interview. What if we're intending on trading down or at least going to entertain offers. We've just cut what teams will offer us in 1/2.

Then there's the possibility of Bush getting hurt like McGahee did in his Championship game against the Buckeyes. Then what do we got?

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. :brickwall

The draft is all about smokescreens and deception and trying to get the most out the team you would like to trade with if trading is what is intended.

This absolutely pisses me off.

Casserly, if you read this, go back to draft school and re-study the chapter on "The art of keeping your mouth shut". I thought you were smarter than that.

:bag:

texan279
01-02-2006, 12:11 PM
Why would he say that "we're not drafting Leinert" in the Bob Allen post game interview. What if we're intending on trading down or at least going to entertain offers. We've just cut what teams will offer us in 1/2.

Then there's the possibility of Bush getting hurt like McGahee did in his Championship game against the Buckeyes. Then what do we got?

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. :brickwall


The draft is all about smokescreens and deception and trying to get the most out the team you would like to trade with if trading is what is intended.

This absolutely pisses me off.

Casserly, if you read this, go back to draft school and re-study the chapter on "The art of keeping your mouth shut". I thought you were smarter than that.

:bag:

Probably because it is known without saying, especially if Carr stays...

Big B Texan Fan
01-02-2006, 12:13 PM
Probably because it is known without saying, especially if Carr stays...
Then it should go without saying then.

Old saying: You can say nothing and appear to be stupid, or open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Tulip
01-02-2006, 12:14 PM
Because the Texan's aren't. And everyone and their brother knows they aren't going to draft him.

I think it's fine to let our intentions to be known. Either we're going to have this deal inked ahead of time, a la David Carr, or other teams are going to be on notice that Reggie Bush is not going to fall down the draft board. If a team wants him, they will need to have their huge offers ready.

OzzO
01-02-2006, 12:15 PM
Although it would be interesting to bring in another QB in a later round (hidden gem) to be the future #2, possibly groomed #1 if Ragone doesn't prove his worth - just a thought... and yeah, I know we have other needs.

True, Casserly needs to keep quiet, even if it is the obvious answer... maybe he's just giddy about keeping his job for at least another year.

texan279
01-02-2006, 12:16 PM
Because the Texan's aren't. And everyone and their brother knows they aren't going to draft him.

I think it's fine to let our intentions to be known. Either we're going to have this deal inked ahead of time, a la David Carr, or other teams are going to be on notice that Reggie Bush is not going to fall down the draft board. If a team wants him, they will need to have their huge offers ready.

Exactly, he's basically telling the teams that want Leinhart if you want him come get him. There could be a huge huge race up the board for the teams wanting Bush or Leinhart, and we could easily get two drafts for one by trading down.

ArlingtonTexan
01-02-2006, 12:18 PM
A good smokescreen has the possibility of happening. Assuming that the Texans give Carr an extension then everyone will know that any Leinert talk is junk. If they have intentions of trading down, using Bush as the false token is more than enough.

The snake oil sales bit is the one thing that I trust Casserly to do pretty well. Heck, he just sold an otherwise pretty astute businessman that he deserves to keep a job.

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 12:19 PM
Then it should go without saying then.

Old saying: You can say nothing and appear to be stupid, or open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Especially since Carr's option hasn't been announced. You can still get teams wanting that spot out of fear of losing their targeted player to someone else.

nunusguy
01-02-2006, 12:19 PM
They have obviously made the decision to pick up Carr's option, which will
happen months beffore the Draft. So what's the point of BSing about it ?

houstonhurricane
01-02-2006, 12:23 PM
Honestly, Casserly looked extremely relieved in that interview. He knew that he escaped the axe and now has the first pick in each round of the draft.

ArlingtonTexan
01-02-2006, 12:23 PM
They have obviously made the decision to pick up Carr's option, which will
happen months beffore the Draft. So what's the point of BSing about it ?

Exactly, My favorite sales manager from one of my earlier lives pet saying was, "Don't be afraid to address the obvious."

Tulip
01-02-2006, 12:23 PM
They have obviously made the decision to pick up Carr's option, which will
happen months beffore the Draft. So what's the point of BSing about it ?

Exactly. If you try to tease something you obviously aren't going to do, you lose credibility, which may make it tougher to negotiate with other teams.

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 12:25 PM
Exactly. If you try to tease something you obviously aren't going to do, you lose credibility, which may make it tougher to negotiate with other teams.

It doesn't matter. It isn't the fact thay we might take him , etc, it is the fact that we want as many teams as possible talking to us. You can always take a QB and then trade him like what was done with Eli. If that was the case then other teams wanting Leinart would want that spot.

SheTexan
01-02-2006, 12:29 PM
Why would he say that "we're not drafting Leinert" in the Bob Allen post game interview. What if we're intending on trading down or at least going to entertain offers. We've just cut what teams will offer us in 1/2.

Then there's the possibility of Bush getting hurt like McGahee did in his Championship game against the Buckeyes. Then what do we got?

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. :brickwall

The draft is all about smokescreens and deception and trying to get the most out the team you would like to trade with if trading is what is intended.

This absolutely pisses me off.

Casserly, if you read this, go back to draft school and re-study the chapter on "The art of keeping your mouth shut". I thought you were smarter than that.

:bag:


Go take a nerve pill or something! what TICKS me off is people who call other people STUPID, when they don't know what the hell they are talking about in the first place. Leave the draft up to the professionals! That's what they get paid for!!

Tulip
01-02-2006, 12:31 PM
It doesn't matter. It isn't the fact thay we might take him , etc, it is the fact that we want as many teams as possible talking to us. You can always take a QB and then trade him like what was done with Eli. If that was the case then other teams wanting Leinart would want that spot.

And when we pick up Carr's option before the draft, under no circumstances will anyone believe that we are picking Matt Leinhart. There's nothing to be gained for the Texans by pretending to keep the Leinhart option open.

tulexan
01-02-2006, 12:33 PM
Well apparently scouts are having some doubts about Leinart so I don't know if there are going to be tons of teams racing to draft him. The Saints will draft him because he will fall to them, but I don't think teams are going to give up a lot to get him.

Tulip
01-02-2006, 12:34 PM
Well apparently scouts are having some doubts about Leinart so I don't know if there are going to be tons of teams racing to draft him. The Saints will draft him because he will fall to them, but I don't think teams are going to give up a lot to get him.

That's another good point.

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 12:49 PM
And when we pick up Carr's option before the draft, under no circumstances will anyone believe that we are picking Matt Leinhart. There's nothing to be gained for the Texans by pretending to keep the Leinhart option open.

I don't agree. It doesn't matter as long as we have that pick. Lets say the Jets wanted to deal and the draft was laying out where D'Brick or someone the Texans wanted would fall in their lap. They want Leinart before the Saints can grab him. We can take Leinart for them and then get their pick, etc. That is what happens. You just don't say we won't take him. You just don't talk at all. IMHO

Tulip
01-02-2006, 12:57 PM
I don't agree. It doesn't matter as long as we have that pick. Lets say the Jets wanted to deal and the draft was laying out where D'Brick or someone the Texans wanted would fall in their lap. They want Leinart before the Saints can grab him. We can take Leinart for them and then get their pick, etc. That is what happens. You just don't say we won't take him. You just don't talk at all. IMHO

If some team wants to draft above the Saints because they think they Saints want Leinhart and won't trade, then it doesn't matter if we say we want Leinhart or not. What matters is that the Saints want him, not that we want him.

The Texans won't take Leinhart and then trade him. They may trade the pick, but they aren't going to do a draft-and-trade with him. They'd only do that with someone they are perfectly willing to keep.

El Tejano
01-02-2006, 01:00 PM
Does anybody remember back when we drafted Carr that we said we were going to draft Carr. It was because we have the first pick and nobody is in front of us to divert our draft intentions. Smoke Screens are only good if say we have the #3 pick and want the same guy as the #4 pick.

Runner
01-02-2006, 01:05 PM
I was wondering what minutiae we'd obsess about once the games were over. Now I know.

We should start a poll: How many games will we lose in the next 5 years due to the fact that Casserly leaked valuable information and therefore diluted the talent we would have acquired this off-season had he kept quiet?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say 0.

barzilla
01-02-2006, 01:20 PM
Why would he say that "we're not drafting Leinert" in the Bob Allen post game interview. What if we're intending on trading down or at least going to entertain offers. We've just cut what teams will offer us in 1/2.

Then there's the possibility of Bush getting hurt like McGahee did in his Championship game against the Buckeyes. Then what do we got?

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. :brickwall

The draft is all about smokescreens and deception and trying to get the most out the team you would like to trade with if trading is what is intended.

This absolutely pisses me off.

Casserly, if you read this, go back to draft school and re-study the chapter on "The art of keeping your mouth shut". I thought you were smarter than that.

:bag:

1. Everyone knows we won't take Leinert.
2. Teams that want Leinert might still offer a bundle to trade up because they know the Saints might want him. It's not necessarily about what we want, but what the team under us wants.
3. How do we know Leinert will be the number rated QB anyway?
4. Even if Leinert is the best QB is he really that exciting a prospect?

ArlingtonTexan
01-02-2006, 01:24 PM
I don't agree. It doesn't matter as long as we have that pick. Lets say the Jets wanted to deal and the draft was laying out where D'Brick or someone the Texans wanted would fall in their lap. They want Leinart before the Saints can grab him. We can take Leinart for them and then get their pick, etc. That is what happens. You just don't say we won't take him. You just don't talk at all. IMHO

You trying to make the Manning/San Deigo situation too much like normal business. Remember, Manning said he did not want to go to the Chargers and the other teams called the Chargers bluff. Draft and trades in the NFL are a major exception not rule. The texans are the last team in the league that needs to try to get too cute in this draft.

Hottoddie
01-02-2006, 01:26 PM
Perhaps Casserly's message is directed towards Tennessee. He's just stating the obvious out loud, we're not taking Leinart, but New Orleans probably will. If Vince Young should choose to stay in school, make us an offer to swap picks (#1 for #3), so that you can jump ahead of New Orleans.

In my opinion, if we trade out of the #1 pick, then Bush was never our intended target. If he is, then we'll have him signed before the draft, just like we did with Carr. Unless something major goes wrong, I'm putting my money on D'Brick being our #1 choice. After all, how many reports have we read that had McNair wanting us to upgrade the OL to protect Carr? D'Brick is considered by many experts to be a Walter Jones type of LT. That has to have the organization, & Carr, drooling.

McNair is a smart business man. He knows that winning will bring the fans & their dollars out to the games. While Bush might be a quick fix, he won't be the long term solution. So, while everyone is screaming for us to draft Bush, McNair is looking to build a solid foundation to keep us on top for many years to come. Look at all the top teams. How many of them are always there at the end of the season? Take a look at their OL/DL's. They're all solid. The flashy RB's & WR's are usually the finishing touches for a team making a run at the Super Bowl.

Dime
01-02-2006, 01:27 PM
1. Everyone knows we won't take Leinert.
2. Teams that want Leinert might still offer a bundle to trade up because they know the Saints might want him. It's not necessarily about what we want, but what the team under us wants.
3. How do we know Leinert will be the number rated QB anyway?
4. Even if Leinert is the best QB is he really that exciting a prospect?

Honestly, I dont believe anyone would trade us for Leinert. Why? Everyone knows Bush is going to go first. That being said, they would have to pay us for a Bush pick just to pick up Leinhart. They more then likely will deal with who ever is number 2 (which would be cheaper) and deal there.

BradK10
01-02-2006, 01:27 PM
Does anybody remember back when we drafted Carr that we said we were going to draft Carr. It was because we have the first pick and nobody is in front of us to divert our draft intentions. Smoke Screens are only good if say we have the #3 pick and want the same guy as the #4 pick.

well said

tulexan
01-02-2006, 01:28 PM
1. Everyone knows we won't take Leinert.
2. Teams that want Leinert might still offer a bundle to trade up because they know the Saints might want him. It's not necessarily about what we want, but what the team under us wants.
3. How do we know Leinert will be the number rated QB anyway?
4. Even if Leinert is the best QB is he really that exciting a prospect?


Exactly. Just because he is Matt Leinart does not mean that teams are going to give up everything to get him. Remember that the teams at the top of the draft are the ones who have the biggest needs and usually are in a state of rebuilding. Leinart might have lost his mystique this year now that Reggie Bush has blown by him as a prospect. I have heard that some scouts have him ranked as the 4th best player in the draft behind Bush, D'Brick, and Hawk.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 02:24 PM
Everyone that is somewhat involved with the NFL knows that we're not drafting Leinart and that Carr is our man at QB, and anyone wanting to trade up with us will do so anyways, whether they are looking for Bush or Leinart. The Saints are almost guaranteed to take Leinart at #2 so anyone that really wants him would maybe be looking to trade with us so they can draft him at #1, or else any team wanting Bush will be willing to trade up to #1 to draft him.