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CITY CAT
01-01-2006, 10:11 PM
I personally don't. It is not a crime to have 2 good RBs instead of 2 good WRs which is the usual championship formula.

real
01-01-2006, 10:13 PM
with reggie we have a good RB and good WR...So we'd have two good RB's and two good WR's..

texplayer2
01-01-2006, 10:17 PM
I think one or two of our backs should be packing, but I don't think it should be DD. Depth is good.

CITY CAT
01-01-2006, 10:18 PM
They both would be the perfect compliments to each other. DD can run between tackles and Bush can take it to the outside. They also are both excellent recievers out of the backfield.

El Tejano
01-01-2006, 11:01 PM
Let's take a look at the Larry Johnson and Preist Holmes situation. KC fans hated the pick of Larry Johnson. They had Priest already, they didn't need him. However it has paid off huge for them.

I think Davis will enjoy it actually. He seems to be such a team player that if this includes wins he is all for it. Plus this means he has less chance of being hurt next season especially after surgery.

beerlover
01-01-2006, 11:13 PM
DD is signed to a pretty large contract I doubt along with his injury track record he will be traded. Wells however is a free agent & therefore the more likely candidate :)

Iceblink
01-01-2006, 11:39 PM
The only reason you'd consider dropping Davis would be for the cap, and I think there are lots of guys with healthy salaries that aren't productive who should go first. Adding a #1 pick's salary hit will require some cap management, but a 2-14 team shouldn't have trouble finding guys who didn't play well.

run-david-run
01-02-2006, 12:04 AM
The only reason you'd consider dropping Davis would be for the cap, and I think there are lots of guys with healthy salaries that aren't productive who should go first. Adding a #1 pick's salary hit will require some cap management, but a 2-14 team shouldn't have trouble finding guys who didn't play well.
The cap is why we WONT drop DD. No matter what happens in the offseason, DD will be there, because it would cost us $7M to get rid of him:brickwall

tulexan
01-02-2006, 12:28 AM
We will keep Davis and not sign Wells. Next year we will arguably have the best running attack in the league with the two headed monster of Davis and Bush.

Coach C.
01-02-2006, 12:40 AM
You gotta think about it the way the Texans will. Bush is a great talent, but are we really going to tie up 12+ million a year on our backfield. They will not. It is just not good business. And it will eventually put us in a Titans like situation. The argument of LJ and Priest is moot, because LJ was not getting as much as Bush will or DD for that matter so he is what you call a discount.

David's Busted Carr
01-02-2006, 12:53 AM
AFTER we draft Reggie Bush, I'm all for trading DD if we can find a taker. I'd trade him for a 2nd round pick (whether it's this year or next year).

Wells would be a better compliment to Bush b/c he is a much better pound it out type back much like Len Dale White is at USC now. And we could resign him for peanuts compared to what they just gave DD.

Davis is a poor man's Bush. No reason to have him around when you have THE REAL DEAL!!! :redtowel:

Grid
01-02-2006, 12:59 AM
if we are careful about it I would think that we can manage DD and Bush for the next 3 seasons... then keep the best of the two and trade the other.

ATX
01-02-2006, 02:51 AM
You gotta think about it the way the Texans will. Bush is a great talent, but are we really going to tie up 12+ million a year on our backfield. They will not. It is just not good business. And it will eventually put us in a Titans like situation. The argument of LJ and Priest is moot, because LJ was not getting as much as Bush will or DD for that matter so he is what you call a discount.

Yeah, but Davis isn't getting as much as Holmes either. LJ will get the payday if he plays like he played this season.

ATX
01-02-2006, 02:53 AM
AFTER we draft Reggie Bush, I'm all for trading DD if we can find a taker. I'd trade him for a 2nd round pick (whether it's this year or next year).

Wells would be a better compliment to Bush b/c he is a much better pound it out type back much like Len Dale White is at USC now. And we could resign him for peanuts compared to what they just gave DD.

Davis is a poor man's Bush. No reason to have him around when you have THE REAL DEAL!!! :redtowel:

Why not keep all 3. Wells is cheap and above average 3rd string back and also plays special teams. I see us, if we take Bush, having Bush, Davis, Wells, and Morency. We'd just run it down everyone's throats all season long.

CITY CAT
01-02-2006, 01:03 PM
Why not keep all 3. Wells is cheap and above average 3rd string back and also plays special teams. I see us, if we take Bush, having Bush, Davis, Wells, and Morency. We'd just run it down everyone's throats all season long.

Don't forget we still have a 6'5 reciever in Andre Johnson.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 01:51 PM
Why not keep all 3. Wells is cheap and above average 3rd string back and also plays special teams. I see us, if we take Bush, having Bush, Davis, Wells, and Morency. We'd just run it down everyone's throats all season long.

That is an interesting idea, but why are we going to draft Bush ($55 million) and keep Davis ($20+ million) to have them take just over half of our carries and split time with another two RBs?

dat_boy_yec
01-02-2006, 02:17 PM
I don't know where everybody get's their stats from so I guess I should ask. 1st picks are usually quartebacks. Smith, Carr, Palmer, Manning, Vick, Couch etc. etc. Even last yr. when there was a good crop of running backs a qb was taken first. Isn't the quarterback also the highest paid position. How much of a difference is there between what the average QB makes and what an average RB make. How do you work that out. If we traded 1st for 2nd pick with New Orleans how would that affect his contract, I'm sure the Saints would pass on Bush in favor of Leinart. I dunno all the speculation on his contract is just that speculation. We don't know how much he would ask for or if he would prove difficult to negotiate with. For all we know he could settle for a much lesser amount of money then we could speculate. I don't think the money should be an issue at this point.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 02:43 PM
Bush will get at least $50 million as the #1 pick, we have to pay a QB probably $55 million as a #1. A RB at the #2 pick will get paid a decent amount less, but I doubt the Saints will swap picks with us since they know we're not getting Leinart, unless possibly if we're entertaining serious offers from other teams looking to trade up and grab Leinart before the Saints can.

Fiddy
01-02-2006, 03:54 PM
Davis got a big contract and no one will trade something of value for him and if we cut him, we lose him for nothing. Davis is staying for a couple more years.

BradK10
01-02-2006, 03:58 PM
Don't forget we still have a 6'5 reciever in Andre Johnson.

he's GROWN 2 inches since we drafted him?

Peldon
01-02-2006, 04:00 PM
he's GROWN 2 inches since we drafted him?

At this rate he'll be 7' 5" by the time he retires.

PapaL
01-02-2006, 04:02 PM
Davis got a big contract and no one will trade something of value for him and if we cut him, we lose him for nothing. Davis is staying for a couple more years.

This is true. I see both guys hanging around for awhile. No reason why we cant sign Wells and get rid of Hollings. Wells has proved himself to be worthy of being on this team.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-02-2006, 04:03 PM
Does anyone know what kind of cap hit we would take if we cut DD? Don't forget, we will probably cut Coleman, Walker and possibly P-Buc which would free up around $10 million this year. We'll have enough cap room to hold both RB for 1 more season and then we can entertain thoughts of DD's future.

ArlingtonTexan
01-02-2006, 04:05 PM
From an on the field perspective, the best for the team is to impliment a system where both DomDavis and Bush are utilized. The weakness of DomDavis is durability and a potential concern of Bush. Bush's value is a multi-use tool not standing behing the QB taking 30 handoffs.

There should be a decent amount of times in a game where they are on the field together. the Bush thing is not a either Bush or Davis, but Bush and Davis issue.

PapaL
01-02-2006, 04:05 PM
Does anyone know what kind of cap hit we would take if we cut DD? Don't forget, we will probably cut Coleman, Walker and possibly P-Buc which would free up around $10 million this year. We'll have enough cap room to hold both RB for 1 more season and then we can entertain thoughts of DD's future.

PBuch probably will NOT get cut. He is still on his rookie contract and doesnt cost us mush of anything (besides a roster spot). With a possible change in schemes, he might be better next year.

Fiddy
01-02-2006, 04:09 PM
This is true. I see both guys hanging around for awhile. No reason why we cant sign Wells and get rid of Hollings. Wells has proved himself to be worthy of being on this team. You are forgetting about the guy that had over 100 all-purpose yards yeserday in Morency.

PapaL
01-02-2006, 04:16 PM
You are forgetting about the guy that had over 100 all-purpose yards yeserday in Morency.

I figured it was a given that he would be on the team.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-02-2006, 04:23 PM
PBuch probably will NOT get cut. He is still on his rookie contract and doesnt cost us mush of anything (besides a roster spot). With a possible change in schemes, he might be better next year.

I agree. You're probably right. I like him alot but he has underperformed thus far b/c we handed him a starting spot instead of making him earn the spot. Hell, we even cut Glenn b/c we had confidence in him. I think the new coach may want to wash his hands of any previous bad transactions made while prior to now, that's all. Personally, I love his potential for playmaking ability.

I hope your right and he has his chance in a scheme more suited for all of our D-Backfield.

Texans Pride
01-02-2006, 04:25 PM
No way do the Texans even think about letting DD go.
Having a 1, 2, punch is much better than having a 1, fizzle, fizzle
Teams covet having two good/great backs. . . I can't see us being any different.

vtech9
01-02-2006, 04:25 PM
I figured it was a given that he would be on the team.
You might be figuring too much...Morrency has said that if the Texans draft Bush, he wants to be traded.

PapaL
01-02-2006, 04:26 PM
I agree. You're probably right. I like him alot but he has underperformed thus far b/c we handed him a starting spot instead of making him earn the spot. Hell, we even cut Glenn b/c we had confidence in him. I think the new coach may want to wash his hands of any previous bad transactions made while prior to now, that's all. Personally, I love his potential for playmaking ability.

I hope your right and he has his chance in a scheme more suited for all of our D-Backfield.

I see it as he's not going to cost us much, keep him for the year and if he still sucks under the new HC, then he will get his walking papers ala Matt Stevens.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-02-2006, 04:27 PM
Guys, don't forget, if all of the hype about Kubiak is true we will need at least 4 GOOD RB. Kubiak played and coached under Shanahan's run-first style pro offense. Running that much causes injury after injury to RBs and we will need the depth to run the ball 70% of the time (especially behind this OL).

PapaL
01-02-2006, 04:29 PM
You might be figuring too much...Morrency has said that if the Texans draft Bush, he wants to be traded.

What leverage does he have? What is a bench/3rd/4th string guy going to do? He's not popular enough to pull T.O. and kill the team inside out. He can ask all wants from the end of the bench.

vtech9
01-02-2006, 04:59 PM
What leverage does he have? What is a bench/3rd/4th string guy going to do? He's not popular enough to pull T.O. and kill the team inside out. He can ask all wants from the end of the bench.
:challenge Basically, what you are saying is that Morrency doesn't matter...he was only a 3rd round pick so he doesn't matter. He would basically be a wasted pick. I think Morrency has talent, and can be a great RB, but he can't do it if he is sitting on the end of the bench and not being used.

Personally, I don't want Bush. IMHO, we have all of the RB's we need. We can definately use the draft picks we would aquire by trading the 1st pick or by drafting Bush and then trading him like the Chargers did with Eli. I have the sinking feeling that drafting Bush would cause alot of resentment from several Texans players.:twocents:

run-david-run
01-02-2006, 05:04 PM
You gotta think about it the way the Texans will. Bush is a great talent, but are we really going to tie up 12+ million a year on our backfield. They will not. It is just not good business. And it will eventually put us in a Titans like situation. The argument of LJ and Priest is moot, because LJ was not getting as much as Bush will or DD for that matter so he is what you call a discount.
you must also consider that the chiefs do not have money tied up with the 1st overall pick and the 3rd overall pick on their offense. that is some serious money. By the way, if we really want a small-built, reallyt fast "playmaker" just wait a year and draft Tedd Ginn, just saw him take a flip pass 70 yds on ND's D...

run-david-run
01-02-2006, 05:09 PM
Does anyone know what kind of cap hit we would take if we cut DD? Don't forget, we will probably cut Coleman, Walker and possibly P-Buc which would free up around $10 million this year. We'll have enough cap room to hold both RB for 1 more season and then we can entertain thoughts of DD's future.
Dude, DD would cost us from 5-7 M to cut, not sure. Walker is also more expensive to cut then keep, he is signed for a while. Colman is gone. P-Buch only cost 1M to keep, he will stay for at least a year, depending if he is worthy of a new contract... cutting all the people you listed above would make us lose money, it would not free any up...

run-david-run
01-02-2006, 05:13 PM
:challenge Basically, what you are saying is that Morrency doesn't matter...he was only a 3rd round pick so he doesn't matter. He would basically be a wasted pick. I think Morrency has talent, and can be a great RB, but he can't do it if he is sitting on the end of the bench and not being used.

Personally, I don't want Bush. IMHO, we have all of the RB's we need. We can definately use the draft picks we would aquire by trading the 1st pick or by drafting Bush and then trading him like the Chargers did with Eli. I have the sinking feeling that drafting Bush would cause alot of resentment from several Texans players.:twocents:
i like bush as a player and seems like a great guy, someone who wants to be the best and is willing to work as hard as possible to be great, but the way our team is built, i think that we can use the pick in a better place. we have the possibility to revamp our entire O-line in one offseason, next year we go and fix the D. If we make a goal and stick with it, we can turn our fortunes around really quickly...

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 05:24 PM
Does anyone know what kind of cap hit we would take if we cut DD? Don't forget, we will probably cut Coleman, Walker and possibly P-Buc which would free up around $10 million this year. We'll have enough cap room to hold both RB for 1 more season and then we can entertain thoughts of DD's future.

We put up a thread before about the cap situation with our players, and the cap hit for Davis is about $7 million, but either way there's no way we'd cut Davis. I can see us cutting Coleman, Buchanon would be free to cut but only has one year left on his contract so I think he'll stay, and I think Walker will stay with his contract problem. I'll see if that thread is still on the active board or else I'll repost it.

bubbajaxonbrown
01-02-2006, 05:51 PM
We put up a thread before about the cap situation with our players, and the cap hit for Davis is about $7 million, but either way there's no way we'd cut Davis. I can see us cutting Coleman, Buchanon would be free to cut but only has one year left on his contract so I think he'll stay, and I think Walker will stay with his contract problem. I'll see if that thread is still on the active board or else I'll repost it.


I read the origional post. It was very informative. I was mistaken b/c of a thread I was on last night implied cutting those 3 would save that amount. I don't remember if it was on this forum or not but if these figures are correct then it was wrong. Either way, great post.

Hervoyel
01-02-2006, 09:36 PM
You gotta think about it the way the Texans will. Bush is a great talent, but are we really going to tie up 12+ million a year on our backfield. They will not. It is just not good business. And it will eventually put us in a Titans like situation. The argument of LJ and Priest is moot, because LJ was not getting as much as Bush will or DD for that matter so he is what you call a discount.


Well, see coach you gotta think about it the way the Texans will. Bush is a great talent and if we have to tie up 12+ million a year on our backfield we'll make it work. The Chiefs are able to pay Larry Johnson and Priest Holmes without going bankrupt. The Lions somehow found a way to pay Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, and Mike Williams and they're not in cap hell.

No situation is permanent and no, the LJ/Priest situation is not moot. Watch and see what happens to one of them this offseason or next year. They'll take Bush because he's got "terrific franchise back" written all over him (hype or not) and they don't believe that they need the plethora of picks that a trade down will give them. They think Pitts is the LT answer. They'll tie that money up in their backfield long enough to be sure Bush was what they thought he was and for Domanick's cap number to come down and then they'll try to move one of them (likely Davis if things go as planned) or one will sign elsewhere (again, likely Davis).

They'll only have to coexist for a couple of years. Three at the most.

Hervoyel
01-02-2006, 09:53 PM
You might be figuring too much...Morrency has said that if the Texans draft Bush, he wants to be traded.

People in hell want ice water if I'm not mistaken. 3rd round rookie running backs demanding trades make me laugh. He needs to learn whatever lesson it was that Jonathan Wells learned if he jumps up demanding a trade.

If we take Bush it's going to be

Bush
Davis
Morency/Wells

Tony Hollings goes home. Wells might sign with someone else. he's put up good numbers in his time here. Morency might factor into some kind of trade IF the Texans want to do that.

HOOK'EM
01-02-2006, 10:06 PM
Yeah it will work GREAT, look at Miami with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams.

CITY CAT
01-03-2006, 01:39 AM
Why does it make sense to trade down and put a bunch of brainless rookies out there? That is what the Arizona Cardinals did. If we do that then we will be botton dwellers for a while.

Bobo
01-03-2006, 02:10 AM
I personally don't. It is not a crime to have 2 good RBs instead of 2 good WRs which is the usual championship formula.

It sure is when you are hurting at so many other positions.