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thetexanator
01-01-2006, 10:02 PM
heres our last ditch effort to do as much as we can(or as little) and try to get our voices heard!

if you want him gone, only two words are necessary..................................


FIRE CASSERLY!!

Wharton
01-01-2006, 10:02 PM
Fire Casserly!!

bigcarlos
01-01-2006, 10:03 PM
Fire Casserly:redtowel:

real
01-01-2006, 10:06 PM
Fire Casserly!!
:redtowel:

daveebarb
01-01-2006, 10:06 PM
Fire Casserly!!:redtowel:

houstonhurricane
01-01-2006, 10:10 PM
Fire Casserly! :redtowel:

Johnny Utah
01-01-2006, 10:11 PM
What I want to know is why he is selling his house if he is not getting fired.

Tulip
01-01-2006, 10:12 PM
What I want to know is why he is selling his house if he is not getting fired.

His house has been on the market for well over a year.

TexasJedi
01-01-2006, 10:13 PM
Quick someone grab the Fire Casserly soap!

Nighthawk
01-01-2006, 10:13 PM
Let him go, please.

GP
01-01-2006, 10:19 PM
He's not selling his house.

It's available for a future third round pick. (get it?)

Porky
01-01-2006, 10:20 PM
Fire Casserly! :redtowel:

Ditto!:redtowel:

HoustonFrog
01-01-2006, 10:32 PM
I want Casserly gone so bad and even had my letter to the Chronicle printed in the paper about him. The guy has ruined more picks. If you trade away the #1 for multiple picks, he isn't the guy to do the picking for you. The drafts over the years have been horrible.

TexanDave
01-01-2006, 10:38 PM
Fire Casserly! :redtowel:

Meisterman
01-01-2006, 10:43 PM
Fire Him! :redtowel:

GoBlue
01-01-2006, 10:53 PM
I'm not a big CC guy, but how bad have his picks been besides Babin, Hollings, and maybe Travis Johnson.
Obviously Buchanon is his biggest blunder
Joppru- not his fault

If you look at other teams 1st round picks the last few years, most other teams have made much worse picks in the first round:

Lions- Charles Rodgers and Joey Harrington (both aweful)
Saints- Jonathan Sullivan (who?)
Cleveland-Kellen Winslow (head case) and Braylon Edwards (slow to develop?)
Arizona- Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace in 2003 (I last saw these guys sacking groceries)

Say what you will about CC- he just shouldn't be allowed to pick in the 2nd round (see Joppru, conditional pick for Hollings, traded pick for Buchanon)

He rocks in the 1st, 3rd and 4th rounds- 1-Carr, AJ, DRob 3- Pitts, 4- DD

Just some musings to chew on...

LoneStarState
01-01-2006, 10:55 PM
FIRE CASSERLY!!!!!!!!!!!! :redtowel:

Texas_Heat
01-01-2006, 10:59 PM
FIRE CASSERLY:redtowel:

HoustonFrog
01-01-2006, 11:08 PM
I'm not a big CC guy, but how bad have his picks been besides Babin, Hollings, and maybe Travis Johnson.
Obviously Buchanon is his biggest blunder
Joppru- not his fault

If you look at other teams 1st round picks the last few years, most other teams have made much worse picks in the first round:

Lions- Charles Rodgers and Joey Harrington (both aweful)
Saints- Jonathan Sullivan (who?)
Cleveland-Kellen Winslow (head case) and Braylon Edwards (slow to develop?)
Arizona- Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace in 2003 (I last saw these guys sacking groceries)

Say what you will about CC- he just shouldn't be allowed to pick in the 2nd round (see Joppru, conditional pick for Hollings, traded pick for Buchanon)

He rocks in the 1st, 3rd and 4th rounds- 1-Carr, AJ, DRob 3- Pitts, 4- DD

Just some musings to chew on...

WRONG. Look at this and see where he succeeded. Barely anywhere. He took 3 DBs in early rounds one year and not one is on the team. The same guy that gave up multiple high picks for Jason Babin? The same guy that gave up multiple high picks for Buchanan?The same guy that took Jabar Gafney with the #1 pick of the 2nd round. The same guy who took 3 dbs in rounds 2-3 one year and NONE of them are on the team anymore. The same guy who took backup QBs and RBS in the 2nd and 3rd round yet skipped the O-line. The same guy that passed on Derrick Johnson and took Travis Johnson when they traded down?He is horrible and has ruined this team. Just go through the years

http://www.drafthistory.com/years.html

God of Wine
01-01-2006, 11:10 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Amberlybutterfly/mk4.gif

FIRE CASSERLY!

vtech9
01-01-2006, 11:14 PM
FIRE CASSERLY:redtowel:
FIRE CASSERLY...

all I can say is that I do not want Casserly involved in any more personnel decisions, neither selecting coaches nor players. He needs to be shown the door.

GoBlue
01-01-2006, 11:21 PM
WRONG. Look at this and see where he succeeded. Barely anywhere. He took 3 DBs in early rounds one year and not one is on the team. The same guy that gave up multiple high picks for Jason Babin? The same guy that gave up multiple high picks for Buchanan?The same guy that took Jabar Gafney with the #1 pick of the 2nd round. The same guy who took 3 dbs in rounds 2-3 one year and NONE of them are on the team anymore. The same guy who took backup QBs and RBS in the 2nd and 3rd round yet skipped the O-line. The same guy that passed on Derrick Johnson and took Travis Johnson when they traded down?He is horrible and has ruined this team. Just go through the years

http://www.drafthistory.com/years.html
What are you talking about with the DBs? Vontez Duff is the only one no longer with the team. CC Brown and Glenn Earl are starters. He IS QB happy- no doubt. But who else has had one 4th rounder with multiple 1000 yd seasons (DD) and another going to the Pro Bowl?
Again, I really don't feel strongly one way or the other, but the NFL Draft is far from an exact science and all things considered CC has been OK or even what I might call "fundamentally sound"

spyder66
01-01-2006, 11:25 PM
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Have we FIREd CASSERLY yet?!

HoustonFrog
01-01-2006, 11:31 PM
What are you talking about with the DBs? Vontez Duff is the only one no longer with the team. CC Brown and Glenn Earl are starters. He IS QB happy- no doubt. But who else has had one 4th rounder with multiple 1000 yd seasons (DD) and another going to the Pro Bowl?
Again, I really don't feel strongly one way or the other, but the NFL Draft is far from an exact science and all things considered CC has been OK or even what I might call "fundamentally sound"


My bad, misspoke on who was still there. They still are only servicable in my book and why would they be taken there with quality mid-round picks when you knew you needed O-line help?I will never find Casserly fundamentally sound. They guy wasn't even good before and had the benefit of Bethard's help. After Bethard left and Casserly took over he ran another franchise into the ground.

keyfro
01-01-2006, 11:49 PM
in my mind he has to be fired due to his inability to bring in talent to surround carr with...that includes o-lineman...his overall lack of drafting talented o-lineman or bringing in o-lineman who are worth their pay is his undoing

Wolf
01-02-2006, 12:10 AM
such a funny thread ... all I have heard for the last 4 years is fire Casserly...fire Palmer..

where was the fire Fangio or Fire Pendry talk.. oh wait never has happened..

yeah Casserly has made some blunders (basically if he is guilty of anything it is taking too many projects for my liking) but that was a boom or bust deal.

I guess I see talent on the squad but no direction.. I really feel the coaching staff is the blunders (not saying Casserly was perfect) but they have done some questionable things

Grid
01-02-2006, 12:11 AM
Ive been screaming fire Fangio for a while now :D

I would have been screaming fire Pendry but I had to make sure he wasnt any good first.. hes not.. FIRE PENDRY! hehe

rockabilly
01-02-2006, 12:12 AM
FIRE CASSERLY

Wolf
01-02-2006, 12:15 AM
to me if Casserly is guilty of something .. it is not drafting to the philosophy of the coach.. Carr #1 overall .. AJ #3 overall. yet we run Capers style: keep it close with defense (I am laughing on that) and control the clock with running the football.. so why did we draft a talented WR and a Qb...we could have started Banks..used Gaffney at #2 and drafted OL and RB

HJam72
01-02-2006, 12:17 AM
So, we should draft Bush and keep Capers? :tomato:

kenneth24
01-02-2006, 12:23 AM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Amberlybutterfly/mk4.gif

FIRE CASSERLY!
looking for a fatality are we?:sarcasm:

BWPaint
01-02-2006, 01:23 AM
If I produced results in the same manner as CasserBLY, I would have to fire myself...or I would have to shutdown my business...

to keep this man as GM is simply the most ignorant decision Bob Mcnair can make.....not stupid, but ignorant... if he does not release him, he (Big Bob) is ignorant to the NFL and basic business practices (which his past and obvious record contradicts), PERIOD...

...but it ain't my money...it's just my 2 sense

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 10:11 AM
If I produced results in the same manner as CasserBLY, I would have to fire myself...or I would have to shutdown my business...

to keep this man as GM is simply the most ignorant decision Bob Mcnair can make.....not stupid, but ignorant... if he does not release him, he (Big Bob) is ignorant to the NFL and basic business practices (which his past and obvious record contradicts), PERIOD...

...but it ain't my money...it's just my 2 sense


AGREED!

Texas_Heat
01-03-2006, 12:19 AM
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Have we FIREd CASSERLY yet?!
You'll Have to wait a year for that one :thud: :thud:

Playmaker
01-03-2006, 12:30 AM
I think I've nailed Cass's problem all these years...he listens too much to his coaches and never makes himself fully accountable for all personnel decisions...if your the GM and you have final say so then YOU draft the players YOU want. Sure, listen to the coaches input for position needs but please don't let them dictate which specific player to get *cough*Babin*cough*. You and your scouts evaluate talent, coaches develop them. Plain and simple.

Please no more Heath Shuler/NorvTurner blame game crap.

mean mark8
01-03-2006, 12:49 AM
I think Reeves was brought in to evaluate Casserly as Capers' future was certain at the time. I believe Reeves will have a lot of input regarding how Casserly works over the next 4 months and evaluate what he sees for McNair. While Casserly is not getting fired right now, I believe the jury is still out for McNair regarding the viability of retaining Casserly indefinitely. I think Reeves has looked at the films, the system, and the dimensions under which Casserly was working and determined that Casserly was picking personnel to fit the coaches' philosophy. Now, Casserly is going to have to put up or leave town. He is going to be involved in picking the new regime and will have no excuses if the product fails. I know he was involved in picking Capers as well, but I think a lot of what went into that decision was also McNair's, they wanted someone who had started a franchise from scratch. I expect the Texans will have to show marked improvement in 2006 or Casserly will be gone.:twocents:

FILO_girl
01-03-2006, 12:59 AM
Mr. McNair,

You have done step 1. Step 2 is even more critical to execute (oh that hurt). Fire Casserly.
Firing gets easier as you have to do it. I know letting Dom go was hard, but it will be much easier when you do it to Charlie. The time has come, advance to Step 2. Do not wait another year. Dan should be telling you just about the same thing.

:redtowel:

Tulip
01-03-2006, 01:11 AM
Do not wait another year. Dan should be telling you just about the same thing.

If Dan had told him the same thing, McNair would have fired Casserly today too.

Hervoyel
01-03-2006, 01:32 AM
I have no stomach for headhunting right now. All season long I wanted the Dom Capers regime gone and I've got what I wanted. Watching him get fired isn't any fun though. I never thought it would be fun. I just thought it was necessary.

Why don't we spend a little while hoping that Dan Reeves and Bob McNair did the right thing? Why not try and take an optimistic approach to this for a change. 2005 is over so lets see what happens. Clearing out the coaches but leaving the GM says that we've got some talent. Man I hope we don't end up firing the GM after 2006. that will mean that we had bad coaching AND no talent. I just sat through 2-14. I don't want to see it again. I don't want to be sitting here next year talking about the Texans playing the "Vince Young Bowl" or anything like that.

Aren't you guys sick of demanding that people be fired yet? I know I am and I'm the guy who made the pink bar of soap avatar in the first place. Enough is enough.

LBC_Justin
01-03-2006, 02:03 AM
WRONG. Look at this and see where he succeeded. Barely anywhere. He took 3 DBs in early rounds one year and not one is on the team. The same guy that gave up multiple high picks for Jason Babin? The same guy that gave up multiple high picks for Buchanan?The same guy that took Jabar Gafney with the #1 pick of the 2nd round. The same guy who took 3 dbs in rounds 2-3 one year and NONE of them are on the team anymore. The same guy who took backup QBs and RBS in the 2nd and 3rd round yet skipped the O-line. The same guy that passed on Derrick Johnson and took Travis Johnson when they traded down?He is horrible and has ruined this team. Just go through the years

http://www.drafthistory.com/years.html
Here is the problem.

Personally I wouldn't care if Casserly was fired. A change might be a good thing.

But let's get the facts straight. Casserly has not done that bad of a job with our drafts and I don't see anyone that would be a significant upgrade standing around to improve on him. If you really look at the other teams drafts there are lots of botched picks and busts. That is the nature of the game. Very few teams have a really great draft like the Cowboys did last year. Heck, CC really wanted Demarcus Ware who the Cowboys took right before our pick. (Who by the way looks much better than Derrick Johnson did this season.)

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/texans.html
Not as bad as you think.

In another thread I looked at Dan Reeves late round draft picks while he was in Atlanta, because someone said he was great at finding probowlers and great players in late rounds. His picks didn't look any better than CC, you could even argue CC did a better job, fourth round and beyond. (I didn't compare the first three rounds.) Jerome Mathis <-(probowler!!) and DD were huge steals for the fourth round. Oh and don't get me started on what a great pick Drew Henson was...a six round pick that we traded almost right away for a 3rd round pick. CC Brown and Faggins are servicable starters which is more than you can expect from 6th round picks, usually all you get in the 6th round is depth.

Just so you know you don't get many starters from the sixth round and beyond.

Travis Johnson...the jury is still out. He plays a position that takes a little more time before it yeilds fruit. (I agree I am not excited about his play this year.)

Jason Babin, you guys are right he was not worth what we gave up for him. But he is starting to show flashes of being a gamer and from what I hear was fighting injury most of the year. I hope next year he has a break out year.

Bottomline: We have not had the best drafts in the league. But I can understand why we are holding onto CC. But I expect him to be on a short lease and if things don't go well fast next year, he will be gone very very quickly.

:redtowel: GO TEXANS!!!!!:redtowel:

I JUST WANT US TO WIN!!!!!!!!

touttail
01-03-2006, 08:29 AM
Charlie must go!!!

Bobby 119C

ATX_Texan
01-03-2006, 08:48 AM
I think I've nailed Cass's problem all these years...he listens too much to his coaches and never makes himself fully accountable for all personnel decisions...if your the GM and you have final say so then YOU draft the players YOU want. Sure, listen to the coaches input for position needs but please don't let them dictate which specific player to get *cough*Babin*cough*. You and your scouts evaluate talent, coaches develop them. Plain and simple.

I agree with this guy. A great team has a GM and coach on the same page when it comes to the players that they want to draft. I think the match of Capers and Palmer was not a good fit and it showed in the way the draft was run. On offense, they drafted play makers without considering the OL. They further diluted the offense by over paying for defensive players (Babin and PBuc).

The other problem with Casserly and his supporters are that they always give him all the credit for the picks like AJ, DD, and DRob, but they place all the blame on the busts for the head coach forcing his hand. If that is the case, we better hope that the new coach is also a better GM than Capers.

JfromthaTray
01-03-2006, 09:54 AM
Casserly has given the Texans their own version of the Killer B's
Boselli
Benny(Joppru)
Babin
Buchannon
and they have all killed us. His personnel decisions have been as bad as his hair. FIRE HIM!! he should have been gone before Capers when Reeves was hired.

Texans_Chick
01-03-2006, 10:09 AM
I have no stomach for headhunting right now. All season long I wanted the Dom Capers regime gone and I've got what I wanted. Watching him get fired isn't any fun though. I never thought it would be fun. I just thought it was necessary.

Why don't we spend a little while hoping that Dan Reeves and Bob McNair did the right thing? Why not try and take an optimistic approach to this for a change. 2005 is over so lets see what happens. Clearing out the coaches but leaving the GM says that we've got some talent. Man I hope we don't end up firing the GM after 2006. that will mean that we had bad coaching AND no talent. I just sat through 2-14. I don't want to see it again. I don't want to be sitting here next year talking about the Texans playing the "Vince Young Bowl" or anything like that.

Aren't you guys sick of demanding that people be fired yet? I know I am and I'm the guy who made the pink bar of soap avatar in the first place. Enough is enough.

Amen brother.

Most of the picks that people point to as busts it is too early to tell with yet.

And for those who fault CC for PBuc, I have to say there are any number of y'all who woulda been mad had we stayed pat with an aging Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman in our secondary. They saw something in Pbuc that they thought they could coach up, and at this point it looks like they were wrong. In any business, you take some risks--some pay off, others don't. Nature of the beast.

And for those who fault him for the Oline, you can go through all the hindsight drafts all you want, but since our franchise has existed, 2006 is prolly the first really good draft for linemen. When we first were in existence, Boselli passes the physical but Roaf doesn't--thus changing history. And in this last offseason, Pace just was using us to get his deal done.

CC's had his hits, and he has had his misses, but generally, when I have heard him speak about past draft stuff, what he is saying makes sense. It really does take time to acquire players and depth, especially now that teams understand the free agent market better and have planned for it. (This was not the case when the Jags and Panthers came into the league).

Until we get better, we will continue to overpay for FA because players careers are short, and you need to be paid extra to risk being on a doormat team for your career.

I think people need to take a chill pill, get out of reflexive complaint mode, and hope we get to enjoy football next year. With what a real team looks like. Personally, I think if we have a good season next year it is a total bonus--usually, it is fair to start seeing results two years after a coaching change.

BTW, I reallly think that unless someone gives us the moon, sun and sky, we will have Reggie Bush here next year. For those of you who are CC haters but love Bush, I think because Casserly is on thinish ice these days or short leash or whatever sort of non-powerful analogy you want to make, he would be hard pressed to give up on Bush because Bush is such a popular pick.

The Chronic is selling it hard, the hype machine is selling it hard, etc. If CC was in more a position of strength and had all the confidence in him of the owner, he might be more tempted to sell a trade down. But I betcha we get Bush just because the popularity of that pick is overwhelming to the general public and it is an easy marketing sell.

Sorry if I just rained on the latest lynch mob....I just haven't seen a really good case made for why Casserly has to go, and who the supergenius is out there that is gonna replace him. It is hard to evaluate Cass because of him getting the picks the coaches want, but it just is what it is.

(BTW, is it just me but do y'all get bummed seeing all the pointless basketball scores scroll at the bottom of the screen--college basketball is the pits until March. How many days until the draft and training camp and the beginning of the season?????)

JfromthaTray
01-03-2006, 10:28 AM
Raiders would have taken a 5th round pick for p-buc and any raider fan knows that he refuses to tackle and has trouble in coverage, all cc had to do was watch a little game film. I've been calling for coleman to be benched since last year and I thought glenn needed to be replaced in the lineup by faggins but kept on the team to help mentor d-rob and faggins.

HoustonFrog
01-03-2006, 10:32 AM
Sorry if I just rained on the latest lynch mob....I just haven't seen a really good case made for why Casserly has to go, and who the supergenius is out there that is gonna replace him. It is hard to evaluate Cass because of him getting the picks the coaches want, but it just is what it is.

Texan Chick, where I don't agree with you about Casserly the one point you made that I do agree with is that there is no one else to hire. If there were, he'd be gone. I think his drafts, concerning the Texans needs, have been horrible. I'm sorry but other scouting departments found O-lineman in the middle rounds and on waiver wires while we picked 3 DBs in a row and extra RBs and QBs. The guy pulled the same stuff in Washington except his 1st round picks stunk also. The guy has yet to show any sense when it comes to personnel. And for all the people saying that it is the coaches pick...well that makes even more of a case against him that he doesn't have the wherewithall to stand up for what he thinks when he is the PERSONNEL guy. The way it seems to me is they need to find a coach who has some moxy with personnel too. John McClain said on 610 this morning that they still think Charlie is in limbo as for making decisions on his own.

FILO_girl
01-03-2006, 10:52 AM
If Dan had told him the same thing, McNair would have fired Casserly today too.

Did you note the 'should' in my post? :)

jaayteetx
01-03-2006, 10:58 AM
Fire Casserly!

Jack Bauer
01-03-2006, 11:04 AM
I have no stomach for headhunting right now. All season long I wanted the Dom Capers regime gone and I've got what I wanted. Watching him get fired isn't any fun though. I never thought it would be fun. I just thought it was necessary.

Why don't we spend a little while hoping that Dan Reeves and Bob McNair did the right thing? Why not try and take an optimistic approach to this for a change. 2005 is over so lets see what happens. Clearing out the coaches but leaving the GM says that we've got some talent. Man I hope we don't end up firing the GM after 2006. that will mean that we had bad coaching AND no talent. I just sat through 2-14. I don't want to see it again. I don't want to be sitting here next year talking about the Texans playing the "Vince Young Bowl" or anything like that.

Aren't you guys sick of demanding that people be fired yet? I know I am and I'm the guy who made the pink bar of soap avatar in the first place. Enough is enough.


I know Texans_Chick has already said this, but this is the best post I have read in several days. Let's look to 2006 with optimism!

Tulip
01-03-2006, 11:52 AM
Did you note the 'should' in my post? :)

It's hard to understand tone, but to me your "should" sounded more like "I anticipate Dan is telling you this very thing - listen to him."

GoneTexan
01-03-2006, 12:01 PM
Sorry Charlie, you're not the Big Tuna as advertised (you just stink and it is getting worse). So Dan, what are you going to do with the stench? :penalty:

Porky
01-03-2006, 01:07 PM
Hey Hey Hey Casserly's gonna stay. ho ho ho, casserly's gotta go.

I would give him a C+ on the picks he has actually selected and a C- on the drafts overall. His 2nd rounders are nothing short of a disaster, and the 3rd isn't much better. To his credit, the 1st, 4th and 6th rounds have produced some gems. He has tried to be too cute in the use of his picks, often trading away picks on a whim, and trying to hit on some small school guys too early, ie Wand, and blows picks on unneeded positions, like backup QB, when we have more pressing needs.


In FA and trades, I would give him a D-. The Pburnt trade alone should have been enough to fire him. We way overpaid for a proven reject. Giving up 2 valuable 1st day picks and in essence Aaron Glenn is inexcusable. On that basis alone, he should be in the unemployment line. The Babin trade was a disaster too. This guy has been involved in more disasters than the captain of the Titanic, but he somehow retains his job, while Capers is thrown overboard.

Wrong, Mr. Mcnair. The fans want and deserve better. :twocents:

LBC_Justin
01-03-2006, 01:20 PM
Sorry if I just rained on the latest lynch mob....I just haven't seen a really good case made for why Casserly has to go, and who the supergenius is out there that is gonna replace him. It is hard to evaluate Cass because of him getting the picks the coaches want, but it just is what it is.

Texan Chick, where I don't agree with you about Casserly the one point you made that I do agree with is that there is no one else to hire. If there were, he'd be gone. I think his drafts, concerning the Texans needs, have been horrible. I'm sorry but other scouting departments found O-lineman in the middle rounds and on waiver wires while we picked 3 DBs in a row and extra RBs and QBs. The guy pulled the same stuff in Washington except his 1st round picks stunk also. The guy has yet to show any sense when it comes to personnel. And for all the people saying that it is the coaches pick...well that makes even more of a case against him that he doesn't have the wherewithall to stand up for what he thinks when he is the PERSONNEL guy. The way it seems to me is they need to find a coach who has some moxy with personnel too. John McClain said on 610 this morning that they still think Charlie is in limbo as for making decisions on his own.

You can argue and certainly question CC's decision in Houston but the guy has a history of doing great things with personnel.

Maybe you should read his bio:
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/front_office_detail.php?PRKey=33

I just want to win. If that means no CC fine. So be it. But let's no go crazy and chop heads off just for the sake of chopping heads off.

HoustonFrog
01-03-2006, 01:27 PM
You can argue and certainly question CC's decision in Houston but the guy has a history of doing great things with personnel.

Maybe you should read his bio:
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/front_office_detail.php?PRKey=33

I just want to win. If that means no CC fine. So be it. But let's no go crazy and chop heads off just for the sake of chopping heads off.

WRONG, his history, on his own, is terrible. They about had to run him out of Washington. His best years were with Bobby Bethard over his shoulder. On his own he made horrible 1st round picks and really ran them into the ground.

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/slant/slant58.html

LBC_Justin
01-03-2006, 01:49 PM
Hey Hey Hey Casserly's gonna stay. ho ho ho, casserly's gotta go.

I would give him a C+ on the picks he has actually selected and a C- on the drafts overall. His 2nd rounders are nothing short of a disaster, and the 3rd isn't much better. To his credit, the 1st, 4th and 6th rounds have produced some gems. He has tried to be too cute in the use of his picks, often trading away picks on a whim, and trying to hit on some small school guys too early, ie Wand, and blows picks on unneeded positions, like backup QB, when we have more pressing needs.


In FA and trades, I would give him a D-. The Pburnt trade alone should have been enough to fire him. We way overpaid for a proven reject. Giving up 2 valuable 1st day picks and in essence Aaron Glenn is inexcusable. On that basis alone, he should be in the unemployment line. The Babin trade was a disaster too. This guy has been involved in more disasters than the captain of the Titanic, but he somehow retains his job, while Capers is thrown overboard.

Wrong, Mr. Mcnair. The fans want and deserve better. :twocents:

These decisions are not as bad as you think. Hardly Blown picks
To CC's credit the pick of "back up" QB's is some of the best picks he has made.

We have only picked 3 back up QBs in the draft in 4 years.
1. Drew Henson (late 6th round: 192nd overall pick)
2. Dave Ragone (late 3rd round: 88th overall pick)
3. B.J. Symons (very very late 7th round: 248th overall pick...basically in the "play the lottery" section of the draft)

using this chart (which most GMs use a form of when doing draft day trades):
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pvc.gif
we used pick values of
Ragone: 150 points
Henson: 15.6 points
Symons: 0.8 points

Traded Henson to Dallas for the 78th overall pick worth: 200 points

So in drafting those "Back up QB's" we ended up with a solid back up in Ragone (who kicked butt last year in NFLE).
And we ended up with an extra 3rd round pick. (Casserly created this pick and then, it was sent to the Raiders in the B-puc deal. Yes it sucks that the pick is gone but look at it this way, it was Casserly's wheeling and dealing that got us that pick in the first place. Who knows p-buc might still work out. Most of his problems are mental not physical and he has been coached by Capers and Turner, not exactly the cream of the crop.)


In conclusion: YES we do need to draft several O-lineman this draft. Just to make us fans feel we are at least making an effort to protect our QB if nothing else.

GO TEXANS!!!!

Stay positive!!!

phan1
01-03-2006, 02:17 PM
Ditto!:redtowel:

Ditto for me too. Casserly is much more at fault than Capers.

HoustonFrog
01-03-2006, 02:22 PM
LBC, thje problem is that the Henson pick wasn't a throw away pick. They gave up the pick to get Henson. A 3rd rounder is a high pick. He then wasted it on Buchanan. That is all on him. It wasn't an spare pick to throw away. It was a pick for a guy he took with another pick.

LBC_Justin
01-03-2006, 02:34 PM
LBC, thje problem is that the Henson pick wasn't a throw away pick. They gave up the pick to get Henson. A 3rd rounder is a high pick. He then wasted it on Buchanan. That is all on him. It wasn't an spare pick to throw away. It was a pick for a guy he took with another pick.It was a 6th round pick we gave up to get Henson. The chance of getting a starter with a 6th round pick is probably about 20 to 1....maybe 10 to 1 at best.

run-david-run
01-03-2006, 02:37 PM
fire casserly

ATX_Texan
01-03-2006, 03:07 PM
So in drafting those "Back up QB's" we ended up with a solid back up in Ragone

If Ragone is a solid back up, why has he only appeared in one game during his entire career with the the Texans? If the NFL Europe MVP cannot beat out Tony "Turnover" Banks, is it really that great?

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 03:29 PM
It was a 6th round pick we gave up to get Henson. The chance of getting a starter with a 6th round pick is probably about 20 to 1....maybe 10 to 1 at best.
The chance of Casserly screwing up this traded pick: 2-1 Priceless.

Hervoyel
01-03-2006, 03:29 PM
If Ragone is a solid back up, why has he only appeared in one game during his entire career with the the Texans? If the NFL Europe MVP cannot beat out Tony "Turnover" Banks, is it really that great?

In whose eyes does he have to beat Tony Banks out? Joe Pendry's? Seth Wand got benched in favor of Victor Riley. Derrick Armstrong can't even get off the bench and all he does is catch the ball every single time it gets within reach of him. Corey Bradford is firmly locked in as our other starting wideout.

There are a number of good reasons why Ragone may not be "all that" but the fact that he can't advance on our team in spite of the fact that a lousy player is starting in front of him isn't one of those reasons.

Our coaches couldn't spot a diamond in a goats... never mind.

NederlandTexan
01-03-2006, 03:36 PM
These "FIRE......." posts have gotten out of hand. Enough already.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 03:37 PM
I thought the philosophy was working, bring in some veterans on the defense and start with that base, the draft offensive talent and let them groom. We were increasing our wins every year until now because we let go of Sharper, Coleman, McCree, and Wright and didn't really have rookies that we groomed to replace them. We also didn't add good quality veterans to our offense to help them along. If you call Banks, Wade, Riley and Bruener our good quality veterans then you must fall in line with Casserly's thinking.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 03:38 PM
These "FIRE......." posts have gotten out of hand. Enough already.
fire Casserly.

ATX_Texan
01-03-2006, 03:59 PM
In whose eyes does he have to beat Tony Banks out?

If Casserly drafted a quaterback that the coaching staff would not play, then he is a wasted draft pick. It would have been better to draft a player the staff actually would use. But wait, I thought Capers was the guy telling Casserly who to draft. My bad, I keep forgetting that Casserly only was responsible for the good players like AJ and DD.

Runner
01-03-2006, 04:13 PM
If you call Banks, Wade, Riley and Bruener our good quality veterans then you must fall in line with Casserly's thinking.

Hmmm. Interesting list of names - I wouldn't lump them together though.

Banks - For as much playing time as he gets I'd have Ragone at 2nd string, but I'm judging that PT in hindsight so that's really not fair. I'm not big on Banks, but it is hard for any veteran QB to mentor a young one from the bench.

Wade - Cost aside, I really think he was a quality verteran when he got here, but he has seriously regressed - place the blame for the regression where you like.

Riley - I think he was added to be an upgrade over Marcus Spears and therefore was intended to see very little PT unless it was an emergency. I don't think Casserly could have guessed Pendry would name him the best darn LT on the team and watch him get obliterated game after game at LT and then move him to guard when even Pendry himself couldn't stand seeing him at LT anymore.

Breuner - I think he has been a quality veteran for what he was intended for; Joppru's injuries color the evaluation of Breuner. If Joppru was our all around tight end and Breuner the bruiser, he'd be thought of highly right now.

HJam72
01-03-2006, 04:16 PM
I have no stomach for headhunting right now. All season long I wanted the Dom Capers regime gone and I've got what I wanted. Watching him get fired isn't any fun though. I never thought it would be fun. I just thought it was necessary.

Why don't we spend a little while hoping that Dan Reeves and Bob McNair did the right thing? Why not try and take an optimistic approach to this for a change. 2005 is over so lets see what happens. Clearing out the coaches but leaving the GM says that we've got some talent. Man I hope we don't end up firing the GM after 2006. that will mean that we had bad coaching AND no talent. I just sat through 2-14. I don't want to see it again. I don't want to be sitting here next year talking about the Texans playing the "Vince Young Bowl" or anything like that.

Aren't you guys sick of demanding that people be fired yet? I know I am and I'm the guy who made the pink bar of soap avatar in the first place. Enough is enough.

Fire Hervoyel! :)

HJam72
01-03-2006, 04:24 PM
It is going to be really interesting to see what happens with a new coaching staff. Will they bench Bradford? Who will start in his place? Mathis? Armstrong? What WILL they think of Carr? Will Ragone get more of a shot? How much will Orr play? What kind of performance will we get out of Babin and Peek? Who will start on the O-line and at what positions? Will they use more man-to-man coverage and, if so, then how much better will Buchannon and D-Rob be? Is Glenn Earl the answer? What's going to happen with CC Brown and how much longer will Coleman last?

If we don't get Kubiak, what blocking scheme will we use (I think this is huge)? I don't even want to get into 4-3 or 3-4.

It is possible that we're wrong about Casserly, because I have no doubt that our recently released coaching staff was clueless. I just hope that McNair keeps Cass on a somewhat shorter leash, as he has said he will.

Coach C.
01-03-2006, 04:40 PM
If it is Kubiak his offseason would go something like....

Bradford,McKinney, Coleman gone. Orr, Peek resigned to one-year Orr gets the mid and Peek gets the low. If they want Peek they have to give us a 3rd rounder and no one will do that. Gaffney and AJ are the starters, and Mathis is the 3rd receiver. We will also bring in someone. Carr is our guy and he is gonna be freakin sweet. We are gonna play man to man and use D-Rob like Bailey he will cover whoever the best WR on the other team. Depending on the DC will determine the switch, but denver runs a 4-3 with some 3-4. CC Brown and Glen Earl are the starters, but a rookie S plays into the picture. The offseason we sign LeCharles Bentley and he becomes one of the three prongs on our anchor. Pitts and rookie are the other two. After that he takes these guys to training camp and beats the hell out of them. He comes to a press conference and says we played soft and this year we are gonna play like we have balls. Enjoy the season. Would go more indepth but just tired of typing. Add on as you see fit.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 05:07 PM
If it is Kubiak his offseason would go something like....

Bradford,McKinney, Coleman gone. Orr, Peek resigned to one-year Orr gets the mid and Peek gets the low. If they want Peek they have to give us a 3rd rounder and no one will do that. Gaffney and AJ are the starters, and Mathis is the 3rd receiver. We will also bring in someone. Carr is our guy and he is gonna be freakin sweet. We are gonna play man to man and use D-Rob like Bailey he will cover whoever the best WR on the other team. Depending on the DC will determine the switch, but denver runs a 4-3 with some 3-4. CC Brown and Glen Earl are the starters, but a rookie S plays into the picture. The offseason we sign LeCharles Bentley and he becomes one of the three prongs on our anchor. Pitts and rookie are the other two. After that he takes these guys to training camp and beats the hell out of them. He comes to a press conference and says we played soft and this year we are gonna play like we have balls. Enjoy the season. Would go more indepth but just tired of typing. Add on as you see fit.
If we go to a 4-3 then it will probably be Orr, Wong and Geenwood to be linebackers. They need to draft an ILB, another positions they failed to address.