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htsone
01-01-2006, 07:12 PM
2003 - Palmer - Team in playoffs - Won Division
2004 - Manning - Team in playoffs - Won Division
2005 - Smith - Work in progress - Team Doubled Texans win total
2002 - Carr - Number 1 pick again - Utter humiliation of fans - Coach and (hopefully) GM canned with extreme prejudice and without remorse

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Wharton
01-01-2006, 07:16 PM
Given what I saw today, Smith is a bust, just like Carr!

rmartin65
01-01-2006, 07:55 PM
I dont think Carr is a bust. I want to see if a real coaching staff can do something with him.

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2006, 07:56 PM
Given what I saw today, Smith is a bust, just like Carr!

I agree that smith has little hope in the NFL, but Carr has tons of hope and he is able to put it together when he is on his feet.

abbest
01-01-2006, 08:01 PM
I dont think Carr is a bust. I want to see if a real coaching staff can do something with him.I agree. Carr is not bad at all just in a bad scheme. Joe Montana would stink in this situation

HJam72
01-01-2006, 08:05 PM
I agree. Carr is not bad at all just in a bad scheme. Joe Montana would stink in this situation

No, he wouldn't stink, but he WOULD get hurt and sit on the sideline a lot.

Snapple
01-01-2006, 08:14 PM
Don't just stop with four years. Courtney Brown is one of the worst number one picks ever. And don't forget about Ki-Jana Carter, Tim Couch, and probably some other #1 busts from the last decade I forgot about.

God of Wine
01-01-2006, 08:23 PM
Since 1980.............

1980 Billy Sims
1981 George Rogers
1982 Kenneth Sims
1983 John Elway
1984 Irving Fryar
1985 Bruce Smith
1986 Bo Jackson
1987 Vinny Testaverde
1988 Aundray Bruce
1989 Troy Aikman
1990 Jeff George
1991 Russell Maryland
1992 Steve Emtman
1993 Drew Bledsoe
1994 Dan Wilkinson
1995 Ki-Jana Carter
1996 Keyshawn Johnson
1997 Orlando Pace
1998 Peyton Manning
1999 Tim Couch
2000 Courtney Brown
2001 Michael Vick
2002 David Carr
2003 Carson Palmer
2004 Eli Manning

Double Barrel
05-24-2006, 12:18 PM
Put Manning/Palmer/Smith on a brand new expansion team, and I bet they suck, too. :ok:

The mistake was getting a rookie QB and putting him behind an untested o-line composed of whatever players we could cobble together. We should have picked a journeyman QB to take the first couple of years of hits until the team started to get some depth. Then, and only then, get a franchise QB in the draft.

I think if Carr was drafted to an already established team, he would have realized his potential much sooner than he could on an expansion team. But that's just my own opinion. I don't think it's fair (or realistic) to compare him to teams that were already gelling and building years before their QB drafts.

Trap_Star
05-24-2006, 12:21 PM
Put Manning/Palmer/Smith on a brand new expansion team, and I bet they suck, too. :ok:

The mistake was getting a rookie QB and putting him behind an untested o-line composed of whatever players we could cobble together. We should have picked a journeyman QB to take the first couple of years of hits until the team started to get some depth. Then, and only then, get a franchise QB in the draft.

I think if Carr was drafted to an already established team, he would have realized his potential much sooner than he could on an expansion team. But that's just my own opinion. I don't think it's fair (or realistic) to compare him to teams that were already gelling and building years before their QB drafts.

Good stuff DB....:ok:

OzzO
05-24-2006, 12:44 PM
Jan '06 thread?

It's ALIVE!!! It's ALIIIIIIIVE!!!! </mad scientist voice>

Not sure what point htsone was trying to make with the original post though. I think DB rebutted nicely though.

Exascor
05-24-2006, 01:13 PM
Although it's hindsight for me, I've felt the same as DB about the QB situation for a while now. Carr has flaws but they are exagerated by being on an expansion team (not to mention a poorly coached team with weak talent).

Tex Trenches
05-24-2006, 01:44 PM
Carr can see clearly now that Dom is gone, he can see all obstacles in his way. :yahoo:

ojthecat
05-24-2006, 01:46 PM
Kubiak's system will have the DL playing all out when they are in the game this will require a large amount of rotation to keep the line fresh they all will be playing a large number of plays.

RWBinJax
05-24-2006, 03:18 PM
As a Jaguar fan, I believe Carr is a good to great QB. You must have the supporting cast.

Remember, Steve Young was a bust in Tampa Bay, with no help. When he want to San Francisco, what happened?

YoungTexanFan
05-24-2006, 03:57 PM
As a Jaguar fan, I believe Carr is a good to great QB. You must have the supporting cast.

Remember, Steve Young was a bust in Tampa Bay, with no help. When he want to San Francisco, what happened?

Thanks, I think Byron Lewftwhich is a below average to average QB who happens to play on a very solid team with a good coaching staff.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
05-24-2006, 04:03 PM
Since 1980.............

1980 Billy Sims
1981 George Rogers
1982 Kenneth Sims
1983 John Elway
1984 Irving Fryar
1985 Bruce Smith
1986 Bo Jackson
1987 Vinny Testaverde
1988 Aundray Bruce
1989 Troy Aikman
1990 Jeff George
1991 Russell Maryland
1992 Steve Emtman
1993 Drew Bledsoe
1994 Dan Wilkinson
1995 Ki-Jana Carter
1996 Keyshawn Johnson
1997 Orlando Pace
1998 Peyton Manning
1999 Tim Couch
2000 Courtney Brown
2001 Michael Vick
2002 David Carr
2003 Carson Palmer
2004 Eli Manning

There are at least 10 busts on this list. If you count Jackson's short career at least 11.

Double Barrel
05-24-2006, 04:41 PM
Jan '06 thread?

It's ALIVE!!! It's ALIIIIIIIVE!!!! </mad scientist voice>

Man, I didn't even catch that this thread was over 4 months old! :francis:

real
05-24-2006, 04:46 PM
There are at least 10 busts on this list. If you count Jackson's short career at least 11.

Who are you counting...I count 8

mexican_texan
05-24-2006, 04:49 PM
Jan '06 thread?

It's ALIVE!!! It's ALIIIIIIIVE!!!! </mad scientist voice>

Not sure what point htsone was trying to make with the original post though. I think DB rebutted nicely though.
New guys are like Jesus...they can resurrect old threads.

:chicken:

Kaiser Toro
05-24-2006, 05:07 PM
Zombie threads only have one motive and that is to eat brains.

OzzO
05-25-2006, 08:19 AM
New guys are like Jesus...they can resurrect old threads.

:chicken:

Now THAT'S funny.

Edit.... oops, I just bumped up the thread from the dead again didn't I?

SESupergenius
05-25-2006, 09:11 AM
2003 - Palmer - Team in playoffs - Won Division
2004 - Manning - Team in playoffs - Won Division
2005 - Smith - Work in progress - Team Doubled Texans win total
2002 - Carr - Number 1 pick again - Utter humiliation of fans - Coach and (hopefully) GM canned with extreme prejudice and without remorse

hts
This is good, now follow along with his logic an re-read the sentence: "Team in playoffs" Get it, TEAM IN PLAYOFFS. Team game.

Bobo
05-25-2006, 03:18 PM
I dont think Carr is a bust. I want to see if a real coaching staff can do something with him.

Carr is far from a bust, but it has nothing to do with the previous coaching staff. That's nothing but a red herring as well as an out-and-out fairytale. The fact is, the team was young and inexperienced -- which could be said for just about any expansion team throughout history. Capers got just about everything out of them that he could have. When the team gets more playing time under its belt, then Carr will do OK. He'll never be Peyton Manning, but remember -- Trent Dilfer took the Ravens to a SB victory.