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Marcus
01-01-2006, 06:55 PM
Let's get this show on the road.

Don't let me down, CC, you old horse trader you!

CITY CAT
01-01-2006, 07:00 PM
It's not happening Marcus, give it up!!!!!!!!!1:tv:

God of Wine
01-01-2006, 07:01 PM
Please don't trade and pass up Bush.......:twocents:

GP
01-01-2006, 07:02 PM
My thoughts exactly.

Losing the way we did ensures that there'll be no more "Texans are tanking on purpose" talk.

Now we FOR SURE have Reggie at the number one, and we can pretty much name our price to all the other teams behind us.

If Reggie's draft stock stays where it's at or even rises...then we'll get a whole bunch of help in a hurry.

berkman17
01-01-2006, 07:03 PM
now i just hope reggie doesn't pull a willis mcgahee in the rose bowl

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 07:07 PM
this is going to be the longest continuous arguement in message board history....can we get the draft behind us and part as friends?

Hervoyel
01-01-2006, 07:07 PM
Someone needs to do a poll. We now have the #1 pick, so what do you want to do with it?

Personally I select Reggie Bush with the first pick in the draft, then bundle my 2 and one of my 3's for a lower first round pick which I use on a LT. Then I take a TE or a LB in the 3rd.

That's just me though.

UzaHO
01-01-2006, 07:08 PM
Keep it! Bush in '06:ok:

UzaHO
01-01-2006, 07:10 PM
I htink there will be plenty of talent in the 2nd rnd of the draft. We would have the #1 pick there too. There would not be a D'brickshaw, but you could find a starter as long as its not Casserly picking.

abbest
01-01-2006, 07:10 PM
I just can not believe the insanity of those who want to trade away the #1 pick. For Whom? We have A Need For Someone Who Can Score! Lineman don`t score and a #1 pick shouldn`t be wasted on them. Pass on Bush And Watch him become the next best back in the NFL. How many times have we watched Dominick Davis get tackled from behind. That won`t happen with Bush. We Want Bush!!! WE WANT BUSH!!!!!!!

PapaL
01-01-2006, 07:11 PM
Someone needs to do a poll. We now have the #1 pick, so what do you want to do with it?

Personally I select Reggie Bush with the first pick in the draft, then bundle my 2 and one of my 3's for a lower first round pick which I use on a LT. Then I take a TE or a LB in the 3rd.

That's just me though.

Now that is VERY do-able. Lets just not trade with TEN again.

ThaShark316
01-01-2006, 07:12 PM
Don't trade that pick unless your wowed by a deal...period.

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 07:12 PM
I say trade the pick for a lower first rounder and pick D'Braksaw. Who knows, Reggie Bush could end up like Ki'Jana Carter, keep following the hype!!!!

Coach C.
01-01-2006, 07:13 PM
Bush will be tackled man. Get off the Reggies Man Juice and see him for what he is. He is an excellent athlete, but he is not the greatest thing since sliced bread. Think about it has not even put up the numbers Marshal Faulk did in college. Will he be a good football player. I think so, but to automatically think that he will break tackles and score on every other play or whatever is just assinine. Come on people you guys know football act like it.

Hervoyel
01-01-2006, 07:13 PM
I just can not believe the insanity of those who want to trade away the #1 pick. For Whom? We have A Need For Someone Who Can Score! Lineman don`t score and a #1 pick shouldn`t be wasted on them. Pass on Bush And Watch him become the next best back in the NFL. How many times have we watched Dominick Davis get tackled from behind. That won`t happen with Bush. We Want Bush!!! WE WANT BUSH!!!!!!!

I don't think it's insanity, I think it's just a different approach to fixing the team. One thing we should all keep in mind as this debate grows into the inevitable 8000 pound gorilla that it's destined to be is that we all want the same thing and that's a better Texans team.

We just disagree on how to get there.

Tulip
01-01-2006, 07:13 PM
now i just hope reggie doesn't pull a willis mcgahee in the rose bowl

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has been thinking about that.

I say we pick Bush unless one of the GMs calls Casserly with a Ditka-esque trade offer.

Goldeagle
01-01-2006, 07:13 PM
Please don't trade and pass up Bush.......:twocents:

Please pass up Bush and fill the needs we have (which are a lot starting with coach and General Manager).

HJam72
01-01-2006, 07:14 PM
Don't trade that pick unless your wowed by a deal...period.

I think at least one team will WOW us.

Paragon Blue
01-01-2006, 07:15 PM
Someone needs to do a poll. We now have the #1 pick, so what do you want to do with it?

Personally I select Reggie Bush with the first pick in the draft, then bundle my 2 and one of my 3's for a lower first round pick which I use on a LT. Then I take a TE or a LB in the 3rd.

That's just me though.
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abbest
01-01-2006, 07:16 PM
I say trade the pick for a lower first rounder and pick D'Braksaw. Who knows, Reggie Bush could end up like Ki'Jana Carter, keep following the hype!!!!What if `BRICK happens to be a remake of Seth.

abbest
01-01-2006, 07:20 PM
Bush will be tackled man. Get off the Reggies Man Juice and see him for what he is. He is an excellent athlete, but he is not the greatest thing since sliced bread. Think about it has not even put up the numbers Marshal Faulk did in college. Will he be a good football player. I think so, but to automatically think that he will break tackles and score on every other play or whatever is just assinine. Come on people you guys know football act like it.I am saying Bush will score on every touch.Bush on the field will make defenses respect the run more and open up the pass. Carr and Johnson are thrilled now.

abbest
01-01-2006, 07:21 PM
I am saying Bush will score on every touch.Bush on the field will make defenses respect the run more and open up the pass. Carr and Johnson are thrilled now.I mean Bush will not score on every touch.

Hervoyel
01-01-2006, 07:26 PM
I say trade the pick for a lower first rounder and pick D'Braksaw. Who knows, Reggie Bush could end up like Ki'Jana Carter, keep following the hype!!!!


Brick could end up like Tony Mandarich. If you're going to be wary of the hype you should keep in mind that there's not a guy projected to go in the first 10-15 picks who doesn't have a bunch of hype surrounding him.

Any choice you make can blow up in your face. Not making one because it might blow up in your face is foolish and timid.

I personally want to pick Reggie but I can absolutely see the point of people wanting to trade the pick. I don't agree but I see where they're going. Anyone who doesn't want to pick him because of some other back who got hurt or didn't carry his team to six Super Bowls has no case.

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 07:26 PM
What if `BRICK happens to be a remake of Seth.



It'll cost less then a mistake with Bush.

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 07:28 PM
what about a guy who doesnt want to pick him because i think he himself wont be a good back in the nfl.....i just watch him in the games and think....bust. I think he wont survive at his weight, and his particular style of running doesnt strike me as highly effective. Im just saying i'd rather have lendale white as my back than reggie bush

Capster67
01-01-2006, 07:29 PM
I would love us to get a deal along the lines of what Dallas got from Minnesota a while ago for Herschel Walker. We have SOOOOOO many needs (O line, Linebacker, Tight End, etc) that one person is not going to make a difference. Would hate to draft Bush and have him get hurt right away behind a weak line.

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 07:29 PM
Another thing, if the Texans really truly wanted another RB, Edge will be available, Alexander, Ricky Williams might(even though hes a nut job), or just trade the pick for someone that is already established so they can take a chance to see if Reggie is going to live up to being the next Walter Peyton.

Hervoyel
01-01-2006, 07:29 PM
It'll cost less then a mistake with Bush.


An even worse argument than the first one. Since we're going for a cost effective draft with big savings why don't we trade all of our first day picks for their equal value in 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders? That way we could save a bunch of money and bring 137 guys to camp! We're bound to find a bunch of hidden gems in there right?

Grid
01-01-2006, 07:30 PM
With our Zone Blocking scheme.. Bush may do REALLY well.. but he isnt exactly NECESSARY for us to have an effective running game.

With the picks we could get for Bush, we could possibly jump start this team into contention.

I would be happy whichever way we went.

HJam72
01-01-2006, 07:30 PM
It really does concern me that he is too tall and thin for a runningback. He better be ready for a pounding in the NFL--you run sweeps and the linebackers are there waiting for you. :brickwall

Erratic Assassin
01-01-2006, 07:31 PM
Lineman don`t score and a #1 pick shouldn`t be wasted on them.

You could line up Terrell Owens on one side and Randy Moss on the other and they wouldn't be able to do squat behind our line. The play would be busted half a second after the ball is snapped. When are people (I'm talking to you Casserly) going to appreciate the fact that a good offensive line is a prerequisite for winning?

Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, and Emmitt Smith all get the credit for Cowboys' success, but people forget that the 'boys had one of the best offensive lines in the league during those years. An offensive line that averaged 300 lbs. was unheard of at the time. They were busting holes that you could drive a semi through.

You build a house on a solid foundation. You must build your line FIRST, then build the rest on top of it. You can't skip that crucial first step and expect anything but losing. If the past 4 years haven't taught us that, nothing will, we are hopeless.

Hervoyel
01-01-2006, 07:31 PM
what about a guy who doesnt want to pick him because i think he himself wont be a good back in the nfl.....i just watch him in the games and think....bust. I think he wont survive at his weight, and his particular style of running doesnt strike me as highly effective. Im just saying i'd rather have lendale white as my back than reggie bush


I understand that. "Not sold on him" is a valid argument IMO. Again I don't agree but I can accept that as a reason for not wanting to pick him. Ultimately it matters only whether or not the Texans are sold on him.

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 07:31 PM
An even worse argument than the first one. Since we're going for a cost effective draft with big savings why don't we trade all of our first day picks for their equal value in 4th, 5th, and 6th rounders? That way we could save a bunch of money and bring 137 guys to camp! We're bound to find a bunch of hidden gems in there right?


I'm just saying that I don't see Bush worthy of being a number 1 pick and breaking the bank.

Coach C.
01-01-2006, 07:32 PM
I want to point out that I have never said that Bush is not a good player, do I believe all the hype no, have I watched his games and heard what NFL scouts say about him yes. Is he the best player to come out in a long time? No. He is a damn good player, but comparing him to a franchise QB you take the QB everytime. He will be exciting to watch something like Marshal Faulk or Brian Westbrook. That is talent, but we have bigger issues than Reggie Bush. Understand that we can score points we have before, Hell last year we put up points, but what we cant do is block, have a offensive system that makes people respect us, or play defense. See these are issues that cause teams to lose. Pick Reggie or not I personally would say not and get the farm, the farmers wife, and the farmers daughter for him and build this damn Texans farm the right way.

Johnny Utah
01-01-2006, 07:40 PM
Bottom line is you take a chance on greatness. Expert scouts are saying he is one of the highest rated prospects ever. If there is any possibility that this player could be the next Barry Sanders or Gale Sayers you take him. We can always take a D'Brickashaw who has a chance to become one of the better left tackles in the league, or a AJ Hawk who has a chance to become one of the best middle linebackers in the league. But, how often do you have a chance to draft a running back who could become one of the best ever?

abbest
01-01-2006, 07:42 PM
Another thing, if the Texans really truly wanted another RB, Edge will be available, Alexander, Ricky Williams might(even though hes a nut job), or just trade the pick for someone that is already established so they can take a chance to see if Reggie is going to live up to being the next Walter Peyton.Ummm Walter Payton was a gem that wasn`t expected to be that great like Dominic Davis but Walter Payton was no Earl Campbell either. or Barry Sanders

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 07:44 PM
Are these "Expert scouts" the same ones who rated Jason White to be a good QB, or Joey Harrington, or Mike Rozier(if you remember him). I don't believe these so called expert scouts, they do the same thing we do, they look at the players, their games, practices and stats and comment on whether or not they should be a high pick or low pick. The only difference between them and us is they get paid to do it.

Coach C.
01-01-2006, 07:45 PM
Johnny Utah if you actually believe that Bush is even comparable to Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders you are sadly mistaken. Both guys put up better numbers in college. I dont want to hear how some kid that has never laced up a cleat in an NFL game compares to HOFers. Compare him to players now, but to some of the greatest players not just RBs to play the game please. Next he will be bigger than the greatest player to play the game Jerry Rice. Or is he already. What a F-ing joke...

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 07:45 PM
Ummm Walter Payton was a gem that wasn`t expected to be that great like Dominic Davis but Walter Payton was no Earl Campbell either. or Barry Sanders


Exactly, he WASN'T expected to be that good. Count how many RB's that were drafted in NFL history in the top 5 who are Hall of Famers!!!!!

mean mark8
01-01-2006, 07:46 PM
What are we gonna' do with our plethora of 2nd and 3rd round backs on this team that can't get on the field and Bush too? I've said in another thread that Bush reminds me of "Rocket" Ismail. The "Rocket" could do everything from anyplace on the field but had an average NFL career. Remember Ismail had blazing speed and tremendous cutting ability. He even played at running back some for the Irish. I think Bush will be something to watch but I don't think he is going to be able to change a team. Let's face it, he even splits time in college. If he was "all that," why would you split carries between him and another back. I could see getting a breather once in awhile, but he and White get about even carries. Maybe that will work between him and DD, but is that worth a #1 overall pick? If we don't get another great offer for the 1st pick, I guess we have to take him, but I'd really be looking for a trade.

texplayer2
01-01-2006, 07:47 PM
With the first pick in the draft the Houston Texans select Reggie Bush.:cool:

HJam72
01-01-2006, 07:50 PM
You never know. We may get a better trade from somebody wanting Leinhart. I'm just glad we are numero uno. You want to make absolutely sure you get what you want? YOU COME TO US. :redtowel:

Johnny Utah
01-01-2006, 07:51 PM
Johnny Utah if you actually believe that Bush is even comparable to Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders you are sadly mistaken. Both guys put up better numbers in college. I dont want to hear how some kid that has never laced up a cleat in an NFL game compares to HOFers. Compare him to players now, but to some of the greatest players not just RBs to play the game please. Next he will be bigger than the greatest player to play the game Jerry Rice. Or is he already. What a F-ing joke...

Per touches those guys don't compare to him.

If you watch film Bush's running style is compariable to Sayers because of his ability to cut on a dime and field vision. Everyone has their own opinion, but people who get paid the big bucks say he has HOF potential.

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 07:54 PM
Per touches those guys don't compare to him.

Everyone has their own opinion, but people who get paid the big bucks say he has HOF potential.


People who get paid the big bucks also said Curtis Enis, Ki-Jana Carter, Lawrence Phillips, and Tim Biakabutuka just to name a few were going to be HOFers!

Johnny Utah
01-01-2006, 07:57 PM
People who get paid the big bucks also said Curtis Enis, Ki-Jana Carter, Lawrence Phillips, and Tim Biakabutuka just to name a few were going to be HOFers!

Those guys never had the rating that Bush has.

abbest
01-01-2006, 07:57 PM
You know we have talent here already on offense just that we were coached by stooges from the stone age. Imagine when Gary Kubiak becomes head coach and you will see the production from the offense putting up COLTS-like numbers.Having a weapon like Bush to go along DC,AJ,DD,Mathis etc. we see a significant difference. I not talking SuperBowl in 2006 but very soo very soon.

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 07:59 PM
Those guys never had the rating that Bush has.

Not all, but yes.

Texans_Chick
01-01-2006, 08:15 PM
Here are some thoughts:

1. Interested in seeing how Bush does in the Rose Bowl. Would be nice to see him against real speed. I am non-whelmed with USC's competition this year. Also interested in seeing if the injury/need surgery rumors are true.

2. Generally speaking, I am not terribly interested in amassing lots of picks this year. Our team is really young enough already. But if someone is gonna offer us a crazy deal for Bush, it might be good to take. It would be hard for anyone to live up to Bush's hype. Also, if we are gonna take him, we best get his deal set up before the draft happens--no holdouts.

3. I wanna see what FAs we can attract. Part of that may have to do with what coach we get. We need someone that peeps want to play for.

4. Not sure there is a top 10 LT in the draft despite the hype.

5. Gonna root for whoever we get.texanpride




BTW, John Lopez can eat dirt re: Babin. Nice game Jason.

Goldeagle
01-01-2006, 08:27 PM
It'll cost less then a mistake with Bush.



VERY TRUE!!!!


For those saying Brick could end up like Seth, Reggie could end up like Hollings.

BattleRedGuy
01-01-2006, 08:44 PM
We have four of the first 66 picks in the draft. If we don't trade, I would expect nothing less than these 4 playing significant minutes beginning in week 1.

stevo3883
01-01-2006, 08:50 PM
VERY TRUE!!!!


For those saying Brick could end up like Seth, Reggie could end up like Hollings.


LOL I can promise you that there is no possible way Reggie Bush will end up like Tony Hollings.

thats the most ridiculous thing I have EVER heard. Hollings is one of the biggest busts I have ever seen as he has not contributed anything to this team.

Texans_Chick
01-01-2006, 09:01 PM
LOL I can promise you that there is no possible way Reggie Bush will end up like Tony Hollings.

:penalty:

You have violated one of the jinx rules. You can't say no way that X player can be a bust because there are an infinite number of ways that they can be.

Maurice Clarett has an arrest warrant in connection with allegedly robbing some folks last night. Did anyone foresee that as he was winning a National Championship?

All it takes is somebody landing funny on Bush during a practice, or deciding to take up motorcycle riding or smoking dope or any number of fluke or nonfluke things.....

Do not mess with jinxes. Do not mess with the NFL gods. Do not mess with fate.

The draft game is about talent, evaulation of talent and a whole heck of a lot of luck.

I'm just trying to keep an open mind.

(Though my opinion is that no matter what the deal, we will get Bush because the Chronic guys are making it difficult to do otherwise, and because of marketing reasons--if the general public believes something is the way to go, it is really hard to buck that, no matter what the reasons).

stevo3883
01-01-2006, 09:26 PM
:penalty:

You have violated one of the jinx rules. You can't say no way that X player can be a bust because there are an infinite number of ways that they can be.

Maurice Clarett has an arrest warrant in connection with allegedly robbing some folks last night. Did anyone foresee that as he was winning a National Championship?

All it takes is somebody landing funny on Bush during a practice, or deciding to take up motorcycle riding or smoking dope or any number of fluke or nonfluke things.....

Do not mess with jinxes. Do not mess with the NFL gods. Do not mess with fate.

The draft game is about talent, evaulation of talent and a whole heck of a lot of luck.

I'm just trying to keep an open mind.

(Though my opinion is that no matter what the deal, we will get Bush because the Chronic guys are making it difficult to do otherwise, and because of marketing reasons--if the general public believes something is the way to go, it is really hard to buck that, no matter what the reasons).


you're talking about a freak injury.

I was obviously talking about Reggie Bush being a total failure performance wise like Hollings.

of course every player could suffer a career ending injury at any moment.... thats a given.

But saying there is a chance Bush ends up like hollings is the most ridiculous outlandish statement I have ever heard. Any shred of common sense shouts that there is a 0% chance of him never seeing the field .

Texans_Chick
01-01-2006, 09:45 PM
you're talking about a freak injury.

I was obviously talking about Reggie Bush being a total failure performance wise like Hollings.

of course every player could suffer a career ending injury at any moment.... thats a given.

But saying there is a chance Bush ends up like hollings is the most ridiculous outlandish statement I have ever heard. Any shred of common sense shouts that there is a 0% chance of him never seeing the field .


You see, you can think those things but you best not type them. It is a jinx. It is tempting fate. It is angrying up the football gods. I've been a sports fan long enough that I have a list of sports jinxes a mile long. There are things you cannot say and there are jinxes so bad that you cannot even think them. ("Wow, against the Rams, we are finally going to get a huge blow out win. This is great!")

Hollings-Bush isn't a great comparison because the type of expectations built for THE #1 Draft choice, THE Prez who had a game named after him--the Bush Bowl, etc etc--well that fellow is gonna have some serious hype and contract to have to live up to. Quite frankly, I dint have big expectations for Hollings--where we picked him up in the supp draft, he was just like a lagniappe to me--if he turned out good, nice for us, if not so what.

It ain't easy being a rookie in the NFL. Especially one that is maybe not playing with the best O line in the league. And maybe one who might be a little tweener for his position. I'm not saying he is gonna be a bust, but I wouldn't try to jinx him either.

Let's hope for no hold out. Or freak injury. Or criminal mischief. Or any nearly infinite number of things that have derailed no miss guys in the past.

I am not just talking about your post. I know it is against logic, and reason and jubilant dancing about getting yet another Texans loss, but my jinx worrying self is afraid of this #1 pick and all the hype around it. It is like the hype is gonna curse it.

Injuries are not freaky in football, BTW. It is probably more freaky not to get injured as a RB.

TEXANS84
01-01-2006, 09:52 PM
This draft is so deep in offensive lineman, you've got to stick with Bush at #1. A runningback by committee is never a bad thing to have. Plus look at the versatility of Domanick: Although he's great when he's 100%, how often does that happen? Very rarely.

GoBlue
01-01-2006, 09:59 PM
NOBODY ever said Biakabatuka or Enis were heade to the HOF. Ki-Jana Carter was over hyped but also played in a weakened Big Ten (see Ron Dayne).

Athleticism is athleticism, no matter what conference you play in. And Champions are champions, at any level.

One player can make a big difference- what would the colts be without Manning? Seahawks without Alexander? Patriots without Brady? Chargers without LT?

CajunTexan
01-01-2006, 10:24 PM
With the first pick in the draft the Houston Texans select Reggie Bush.:cool:

I see no other alternative for the Texans than this take. The Bush hype has only just begun and the final weekend in April is a long time from now, but can you hear the talking heads if we trade this pick?

I don't think Reggie is the second coming of anyone, but our current front office has not displayed the ability to make a trade for more picks and do anything worthwhile with them. If Bush has a great Rose Bowl, which I hope he does in a losing effort, and shows his skills at the combine, there would be no way we could not take him.

CITY CAT
01-01-2006, 10:25 PM
Mcnair has made it clear that he wants Bush, how can u blame him.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 01:14 PM
Mcnair has made it clear that he wants Bush, how can u blame him.

When has McNair ever made it clear he wants Bush? He still isn't even allowed to publically comment on drafting Bush because Bush has not officially declared for the draft, and Casserly and others in the organization have made it pretty clear they don't see how you can spend the #1 pick on a part-time player.

CITY CAT
01-02-2006, 01:39 PM
When has McNair ever made it clear he wants Bush? He still isn't even allowed to publically comment on drafting Bush because Bush has not officially declared for the draft, and Casserly and others in the organization have made it pretty clear they don't see how you can spend the #1 pick on a part-time player.

Through the chronicle, and when has Casserly shown his reluctance to spend a #1 pick on a "part time player".

Go to foxsports.com then click on the race for reggie link. Also ESPN sources have indicated that Mcnair will have a tough time passing on Bush.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 02:03 PM
Through the chronicle, and when has Casserly shown his reluctance to spend a #1 pick on a "part time player".

Go to foxsports.com then click on the race for reggie link. Also ESPN sources have indicated that Mcnair will have a tough time passing on Bush.

Casserly said that about a month ago on a 610 radio interview, and I have heard from other sources within the team that drafting Bush is not their #1 scenario.

humbleone
01-02-2006, 02:06 PM
You could line up Terrell Owens on one side and Randy Moss on the other and they wouldn't be able to do squat behind our line. The play would be busted half a second after the ball is snapped. When are people (I'm talking to you Casserly) going to appreciate the fact that a good offensive line is a prerequisite for winning?

Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, and Emmitt Smith all get the credit for Cowboys' success, but people forget that the 'boys had one of the best offensive lines in the league during those years. An offensive line that averaged 300 lbs. was unheard of at the time. They were busting holes that you could drive a semi through.

You build a house on a solid foundation. You must build your line FIRST, then build the rest on top of it. You can't skip that crucial first step and expect anything but losing. If the past 4 years haven't taught us that, nothing will, we are hopeless.

Good post...spot on the point of the matter.

Honoring Earl 34
01-02-2006, 02:13 PM
:tv: I posted this trade already on another thread but here it is .

Raiders get Carr and 1st pick .

Texans get 06 and 07 1st round picks
06 2nd and 3rd round picks
Robert Gallery and Doug Gabriel

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 02:41 PM
:tv: I posted this trade already on another thread but here it is .

Raiders get Carr and 1st pick .

Texans get 06 and 07 1st round picks
06 2nd and 3rd round picks
Robert Gallery and Doug Gabriel

How does this trade help us? I doubt the value of the draft picks evens out, plus signing Carr and trading him would hit us with $8 million dead cap plus we don't get a QB out of the deal and will have to look to draft one at the #6/7 pick, plus Carr is a good QB if we surround him with competent coaches and talent.

Honoring Earl 34
01-02-2006, 02:53 PM
:redtowel: Gallery , better LT prospect than anybody in this draft . Gabriel a 2nd WR. Best BPA with the 6th pick this year . Two high 1st round picks next year ( Vince Young or Brady Quin ) . Two seconds and three 3rds this year . We'd be much better off .

CITY CAT
01-03-2006, 01:27 AM
Casserly said that about a month ago on a 610 radio interview, and I have heard from other sources within the team that drafting Bush is not their #1 scenario.

Neither was going 2-14. Also, a month ago, meaning before the Fresno State game and before Bush won the Heisman.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-03-2006, 02:12 AM
Does anyone really trust Casserly with extra picks if we were to trade down?

ATX
01-03-2006, 02:29 AM
Does anyone really trust Casserly with extra picks if we were to trade down?


That's easy....Nope

royce1054
01-03-2006, 05:25 AM
Well i do think since we have the 1st pick in the draft say we do plan to go after Bush we could use that as a push to get some top OL FA's to come here. If i was a hutchinson or a Bentley knowing that they have Carr, Johnson, Davis, Bush, Mathis, and Gaffney... pplus Pitts isnt doing all that bad at T and weigert and wade are doing good. Plus Hodgdon is coming off an injury. I would think a top FA gaurd would love to come here. If we sign say a Hutchinson or a Bentley then by all means take Bush. We need to use that as a lure to get him. I think alot of people that want Bush arent looking at it this way. I think they are just seeing Bush but dont understand what it takes to make it happen. Just taking Bush without upgrading the O-line is pointless. Then we could take a Giles or a McNeil, or Setterstrom or someone like that in the 2nd for depth. But signing the FA is a mandatory for this pick to happen. I wish Justice and McClain would bring this out in their collumns because they SHOULD know.

Dont be sad if we do trade down if we dont sign any OL FA's. Either way we are getting a benefit. We should of never let sharper and Glenn go. Plus Wong is coming off an injury. Orr, Peek, and Babin are all UFA or RFA's. So before i say we go 1 way or the other i wanna see what happens in FA. I think that will decide who we take.

MorKnolle
01-03-2006, 10:30 AM
Does anyone really trust Casserly with extra picks if we were to trade down?

Casserly has done pretty good in the draft, his main problem has been negotiating trades for NFL players we don't need (Buchanon) or trading back into the draft to get Babin when we didn't need to trade up to get him (some blame to Capers for wanting him that much, much blame to Cass and whoever else involved for not realizing he'd last another 10 picks and for giving up so much for him) and in signing free agents/resigning players (Wade, Greenwood to huge contracts, Coleman, Walker, Payne, etc. to huge extensions).

CITY CAT
01-03-2006, 10:52 AM
Casserly has done pretty good in the draft, his main problem has been negotiating trades for NFL players we don't need (Buchanon) or trading back into the draft to get Babin when we didn't need to trade up to get him (some blame to Capers for wanting him that much, much blame to Cass and whoever else involved for not realizing he'd last another 10 picks and for giving up so much for him) and in signing free agents/resigning players (Wade, Greenwood to huge contracts, Coleman, Walker, Payne, etc. to huge extensions).

Travis Johnson over Derrick Johnson????:confused:

MorKnolle
01-03-2006, 10:57 AM
Travis Johnson over Derrick Johnson????:confused:

Well, I have to believe they thought Derrick would be available at #16 when they made that trade, despite them saying they wanted TJ all along. I don't understand why they wouldn't just get DJ or one of the OTs, but I still think they anticipated getting DJ at #16. That was a blunder, but I put that in with the trade mistakes since I think it was their intention to draft DJ.

Honoring Earl 34
01-03-2006, 11:23 AM
:redtowel: I wonder if you have better chance of 1 player (Bush ) becoming a star or getting a good return on three or four picks ?

If Bennie Joppru caught 75 passes for 14 TDs and 1000 yds . would he be rookie of the year or comeback player of the year ?