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jacquescas
01-01-2006, 06:36 PM
We have it
lets start it
what do we do

I'm for taking bush

PapaL
01-01-2006, 06:44 PM
Lets start contract negotiations right now.

chuckm
01-01-2006, 06:46 PM
are you kidding me????? we need a kicker ..... :brickwall

Shaunny66
01-01-2006, 06:47 PM
I think Houston isn't going to Draft Reggie. They might Trade out for better linemen. :fans: :loser

UzaHO
01-01-2006, 06:49 PM
Wow. Even when they were in the lead, i knew they would find a way to blow it.... I hope this years draft will be better. Lord knows we have excellent draft position.

ThaShark316
01-01-2006, 06:50 PM
Texans will draft Bush, IMO.

bigcarlos
01-01-2006, 06:50 PM
:yahoo: We need a QB

CITY CAT
01-01-2006, 06:55 PM
Team sources have already indicated that they will draft Bush

PapaL
01-01-2006, 06:56 PM
Team sources have already indicated that they will draft Bush

Got a link, some reference to this?

Coach C.
01-01-2006, 06:58 PM
LCROD that is untrue. Team sources have not said either way. they have acknowledged that he is a good talent, but they are evaluating options and waiting till they see all the players in the draft.

Shaunny66
01-01-2006, 06:59 PM
I hear that Vince Young isn't going to the Pros after his Senior year. Believe it or not?:homer:

PapaL
01-01-2006, 07:02 PM
LCROD that is untrue. Team sources have not said either way. they have acknowledged that he is a good talent, but they are evaluating options and waiting till they see all the players in the draft.

Hence why I'm asking for some facts. Should be a good offseason.

The Preacher
01-01-2006, 07:34 PM
Of course you act like you're taking Bush so someone will sell you the farm for him. He has a shrine out west worth a dynasty of players if they play their cards right. He's good but pro football is not the pac 10. They tackle and when the blocking isn't there he will get tackled. Football is the quintessential team sport. This is not Danny Manning's Kansas team where one guy can carry an average supporting cast. Every facet of the team is crucial and the Texans could fill 20% of their starting 22 with high quality players if they deal right.

RiotCommander
01-01-2006, 07:37 PM
If we don't fix the problems on the O-Line it wont matter if Reggie Bush is the next Jim Brown. We are still going to lose a lot of games.

tulexan
01-01-2006, 07:47 PM
The line didn't look that bad today.

7thSaint
01-01-2006, 07:54 PM
ESPN reported that the team said they would take Bush.

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 07:55 PM
ESPN reported that the team said they would take Bush.

espn=never wrong?

7thSaint
01-01-2006, 07:56 PM
With the first pick in the 2006 NFL draft the Houston Texans select USC RB Reggie Bush...... Music to my ears

texplayer2
01-01-2006, 07:56 PM
If we don't fix the problems on the O-Line it wont matter if Reggie Bush is the next Jim Brown. We are still going to lose a lot of games.

It won't matter if we pick a lineman because we won't have anyone left to run behind this stellar line we will have with one decent pick at lineman. Maybe this years linemen will prove scouts wrong and we will pick the next Mike Munchak and live happily ever after.:rolleyes:

Reggie Bush

7thSaint
01-01-2006, 07:59 PM
By the way all you that dont believe in Bush. Just shut up and enjoy the show. And dont forget to kiss it when your provin wrong.

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 08:01 PM
i will be the first in line for bush crow if he turns out to be a stud....but i want it on record that if he turns out to be a bust, i was calling it from the start

Johnny Utah
01-01-2006, 08:03 PM
i will be the first in line for bush crow if he turns out to be a stud....but i want it on record that if he turns out to be a bust, i was calling it from the start

Fair enough. Just as long as you don't cheer against him when he becomes a Texan. :)

RiotCommander
01-01-2006, 08:08 PM
The line didn't look that bad today.


Oh yes, the two worst teams in the league (as far as records go) playing, and our line has a good game. Phew I guess we can put that issue to bed eh? Are you kidding?

I would take a great O-line over a great running back anyday. Who do you thinks opens those holes for them anyway. We already have DD, I would rather fix the line, and hope he remains healthy. Its a risky chance I will admit, but so is ignoring the O-line as we have been doing.

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 08:09 PM
Fair enough. Just as long as you don't cheer against him when he becomes a Texan. :)

i dont cheer against ANY of the texans....i Was in a sports bar for hours cheering for a texans victory. Once you put on the colors, i cheer for you till my voice gives out, and that includes phillip buchanon. I just dont want him wearing the jersey to begin with.

texplayer2
01-01-2006, 08:13 PM
Oh yes, the two worst teams in the league (as far as records go) playing, and our line has a good game. Phew I guess we can put that issue to bed eh? Are you kidding?

I would take a great O-line over a great running back anyday. Who do you thinks opens those holes for them anyway. We already have DD, I would rather fix the line, and hope he remains healthy. Its a risky chance I will admit, but so is ignoring the O-line as we have been doing.

If we could get a whole o-line, I might agree, but it won't happen. DD has not remained healthy for awhile. He is a good playmaker, but we need more.

HJam72
01-01-2006, 08:15 PM
i cheer for you till my voice gives out, and that includes phillip buchanon.

Ok, that's going to far, you :homer:



:)

HJam72
01-01-2006, 08:16 PM
DD has not remained healthy for awhile. He is a good playmaker, but we need more.

Yeah, like Wells and Morency, lol. People, this team does better when Wells is in the game anyway.

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 08:19 PM
Ok, that's going to far, you :homer:



:)

lol...okay so maybe thats a slight exaggeration, but you get my point.

tulexan
01-01-2006, 08:24 PM
Oh yes, the two worst teams in the league (as far as records go) playing, and our line has a good game. Phew I guess we can put that issue to bed eh? Are you kidding?

I would take a great O-line over a great running back anyday. Who do you thinks opens those holes for them anyway. We already have DD, I would rather fix the line, and hope he remains healthy. Its a risky chance I will admit, but so is ignoring the O-line as we have been doing.


Actually the Niners have a pretty good front seven. Their major problem on defense is their secondary.

Goldeagle
01-01-2006, 08:33 PM
Trade down, get an OT, get some extra picks, try to grab Huff from Texas and try to fill SO MANY NEEDS we have.

tulexan
01-01-2006, 08:37 PM
According to the Houston Chronicle, Capers is going to be fired and Casserly is going to stay because Dan Reeves has said that the problem on the team is not the players.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3559136.html

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2006, 08:39 PM
i will be the first in line for bush crow if he turns out to be a stud....but i want it on record that if he turns out to be a bust, i was calling it from the start


i have the same feelings. I have been calling bush a bust waiting to happen since the begining, and will continue to do so. I will eat my crow if he is good, but I want it known that i have been against bush from the begining. When he does bust, i want to recognized as being one of the first to call it, even before the season.

real
01-01-2006, 08:45 PM
I'm not clear on how you guys determine who is going to be a bust and who's not at this stage in time... I dont know of any mathematical equations that would even come close to helping you guys figure this out...Having said that...Why my friends, if you have seen him play, do you think he'll be a "BUST"????

NederlandTexan
01-01-2006, 08:46 PM
This debate will go on from now until draft day. The pundits don't agree on what Houston should do with the first pick. Is there a wrong way to go? You are either a " Draft Bush Guy ", or " Trade for Picks Guy". There are valid reason to do both. Here's hoping we choose right.

tulexan
01-01-2006, 08:47 PM
I don't know why so many people are quick to call him a bust, yet call D'Brick or Eric Winston great prospects?

real
01-01-2006, 08:50 PM
exactly tulexan...I have seen all three play, and Bush has been the most dominant by far...That is why i am puzzled that so many would call him a Bust, he's not a lock...no one is...but to automatically call him a bust is crazy

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 08:54 PM
im not saying he is automatic, but im also not saying that dbrick will be a god among o-lineman...im just saying, i think reggie has the highest potential to be a bust at this point. From what i've seen, i dont think he has a chance to suceed in the nfl. As to how i arrive at that conclusion, i watch games, i read scouting reports, and i insert my own opinions and football knowledge. reasonable men can differ, and my opinion is that bush will fail. You think he will suceed....time will tell, and your opinion is no more valid than mine.

LikeABoss
01-01-2006, 08:54 PM
and hope he remains healthy.

And that's his #1 problem right there, the dude can't stay healthy. He is not as durable like some people on this board want's to believe.

I say draft Reggie Bush @ 1 and worry about getting o-lineman through free agency and later rounds of the draft.

My :twocents:

real
01-01-2006, 08:58 PM
I haven't stated my opinion actually...Im just asking how you came to the conclusion he will be a bust...I see you mentioned scouting reports and yada yada yada....well let me ask you this...since reggie, in your words, "is most likely to be a bust,"...Who has the best chance to suceed ? And by the way the fact that you think he is the most likely to be a bust is just insane...

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 09:04 PM
I haven't stated my opinion actually...Im just asking how you came to the conclusion he will be a bust...I see you mentioned scouting reports and yada yada yada....well let me ask you this...since reggie, in your words, "is most likely to be a bust,"...Who has the best chance to suceed ? And by the way the fact that you think he is the most likely to be a bust is just insane...

and if I'm right?? am i still insane then, or am i some kind of psychic. Im sure people were predicting the downfall of kijana carter before he was drafted, just like people predicted lebron would never make it in the nba. Now in one of those instances, the "crazy" predicter was right, and in one of those instances he was wrong. Now as to your question, who in my opinion has the best chance to suceed, i'll give you a couple of names i feel will be sucesses. (Note, some players might not come out this year) DBrickashaw Ferguson, Lendale White, Ernie Simms, AJ Hawk. I also happen to think Matt Leinhart wont be that good in the NFL, but i've never had to make that point because nobody on this board is clamoring for him.

tulexan
01-01-2006, 09:12 PM
From what i've seen, i dont think he has a chance to suceed in the nfl. As to how i arrive at that conclusion, i watch games, i read scouting reports, and i insert my own opinions and football knowledge. reasonable men can differ, and my opinion is that bush will fail.


Why can't he succeed? What makes him a complete bust and a guy of similar build Tiki Barber, one of the best running backs in the league? I've heard all of the "reasons" as to why he will fail and very few of them are reasonable. People argue that he is too small, but they say that Laurence Maroney who is only listed at 10 lbs heavier has the prototypical build of a running back. This is also before Reggie Bush will be working with an NFL strength coach and eating a proper diet. He could easily and will probably be the 10-15 pounds heavier by the time he takes his first snap in the NFL. Then they say that he can't carry the ball 25-30 times a game. I'll admit that orginally I was one who said that and he proved me wrong. Well the times that he has carried the ball 25-30 times in a game he has had over 250 yards each time. And how many running backs consistently carry the ball 25-30 times a game? 3 players in the modern era have had 400+ carries in a season which average to 25 carries per game. Then they say that Reggie Bush has all of these big holes that he runs through, but fail to recognize that our team is a very good run blocking team and gives Domanick Davis several big holes to run through each game.

Please tell me why he won't have a chance to succeed in the NFL because I don't understand you're reasoning.

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 09:16 PM
first of all, yes, i think he is too small. Other people have suceeded in the nfl being undersized, you are correct. However, Tiki and Warrick are most definitely the exception, not the rule. Here is most of my reasoning, take it for what its worth. Reggie Bush is not the type of running back that can run between the tackles. He is most suited to making one quick cut, getting outside and then outrunning everyone. The NFL game is much faster than the college game, and Bush wont be able to suceed unless he becomes able to run both inside and outside, and become a complete back. I dont think he is big enough or versatile enough to be an NFL running back.

LikeABoss
01-01-2006, 09:17 PM
Why can't he succeed? What makes him a complete bust and a guy of similar build Tiki Barber, one of the best running backs in the league? I've heard all of the "reasons" as to why he will fail and very few of them are reasonable. People argue that he is too small, but they say that Laurence Maroney who is only listed at 10 lbs heavier has the prototypical build of a running back. This is also before Reggie Bush will be working with an NFL strength coach and eating a proper diet. He could easily and will probably be the 10-15 pounds heavier by the time he takes his first snap in the NFL. Then they say that he can't carry the ball 25-30 times a game. I'll admit that orginally I was one who said that and he proved me wrong. Well the times that he has carried the ball 25-30 times in a game he has had over 250 yards each time. And how many running backs consistently carry the ball 25-30 times a game? 3 players in the modern era have had 400+ carries in a season which average to 25 carries per game. Then they say that Reggie Bush has all of these big holes that he runs through, but fail to recognize that our team is a very good run blocking team and gives Domanick Davis several big holes to run through each game.

Please tell me why he won't have a chance to succeed in the NFL because I don't understand you're reasoning.

You won't ever get a solid reason from none of these Bush haters, so you shouldn't even waste your time.

My :twocents:

real
01-01-2006, 09:19 PM
first of all, yes, i think he is too small. Other people have suceeded in the nfl being undersized, you are correct. However, Tiki and Warrick are most definitely the exception, not the rule. Here is most of my reasoning, take it for what its worth. Reggie Bush is not the type of running back that can run between the tackles. He is most suited to making one quick cut, getting outside and then outrunning everyone. The NFL game is much faster than the college game, and Bush wont be able to suceed unless he becomes able to run both inside and outside, and become a complete back. I dont think he is big enough or versatile enough to be an NFL running back.

What do u mean by succeed? Will he do the same thing as he did in college? Probably not...Will he be able to compete with the top 12 backs in the leauge probably so...To me that is succeeding

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 09:20 PM
You won't ever get a solid reason from none of these Bush haters, so you shouldn't even waste your time.

My :twocents:

Do i come off as a "Bush hater" who fails to make coherent points or argues without logic? Am i blindly repeating "Bush stinks!" at every opportunity? Because if thats how im being perceived after all of the posts i've made then i will just stop talking....

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 09:21 PM
What do u mean by succeed? Will he do the same thing as he did in college? Probably not...Will he be able to compete with the top 12 backs in the leauge probably so...To me that is succeeding

What im predicting by saying he will bust is that he will either be out of the league within 2 years by significant injury, never have a 1,000 yard season, and have a subpar YPC average.

real
01-01-2006, 09:27 PM
well it's obvious that you are just a Bush basher to say with such authourity what he will and won't do...The reason I say this is because, he has been the best back in College this year, and yes you can make cases for others but I think the general consensus it that Bush has been the most dominant... Now for you to say that he definitely will be a bust, when you don't have any hard evidence, sounds like you are either trying to make yourself believe that, or that is what you are hoping for...which one is it? You stated above significant injury...what evidence do you have to support that he may have a significant injury, or is this just something that you are throwing out because you are a Bush basher and to some degree you would like to see that happen...

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 09:37 PM
well it's obvious that you are just a Bush basher to say with such authourity what he will and won't do...The reason I say this is because, he has been the best back in College this year, and yes you can make cases for others but I think the general consensus it that Bush has been the most dominant... Now for you to say that he definitely will be a bust, when you don't have any hard evidence, sounds like you are either trying to make yourself believe that, or that is what you are hoping for...which one is it? You stated above significant injury...what evidence do you have to support that he may have a significant injury, or is this just something that you are throwing out because you are a Bush basher and to some degree you would like to see that happen...

thats sort of the definition of a prediction isnt it? Saying what you think someone will or wont do? I think he will suffer a significant injury because i think he is undersized. I dont wish ill on any man, im not going to be upset if he doesnt get hurt, thats a ridiculous thing to say. Just because i dont think he will be a good nfl player and you do doesnt mean your right and im wrong. Nobody has any "hard evidence" on what will happen. Thats why they are called PROSPECTS. You dont have any hard evidence that he will be the next gale sayers, yet you dont jump on people when they say that. Dont bash me just because your not fond of my opinion

tulexan
01-01-2006, 09:39 PM
Injuries come to players of all sizes. Cedric Benson, who proved that he can carry the load and had an "NFL body" had a season ending injury in one of the first games that he played in. Deuce McAlister, one of the best backs in the league, and certainly not small by any means, has had bad injuries the past two seasons. Ahman Green had a bad injury, but he isn't that small. Tiki Barber hasn't had many injuries and he isn't that big. Warrick Dunn isn't that big and he hasn't had too many bad injuries. But Reggie Bush for some reason will be injury prone even though he has no history of injuries.

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 09:43 PM
Injuries come to players of all sizes. Cedric Benson, who proved that he can carry the load and had an "NFL body" had a season ending injury in one of the first games that he played in. Deuce McAlister, one of the best backs in the league, and certainly not small by any means, has had bad injuries the past two seasons. Ahman Green had a bad injury, but he isn't that small. Tiki Barber hasn't had many injuries and he isn't that big. Warrick Dunn isn't that big and he hasn't had too many bad injuries. But Reggie Bush for some reason will be injury prone even though he has no history of injuries.


That is a very valid point, and i will grant you, i could be wrong, but in my head the path goes something like this
bush=undersized back
Undersize= more susceptible to injury
therefore bush=probably gonna be injured

I didnt do any vast amount of research into his injury history to arrive to that conclusion, and you are right, players of all sizes go down. Even removing that portion of my arguement, my original points about reggie still stand

real
01-01-2006, 09:48 PM
once again, I never said that he will be a good player, I think he has the right ingredients to become one, but I never threw out hypothetical situations as to why I think this... Once Again I ask where is your evidence, where are your hard facts that point to him not getting 1,000 yrds, him getting hurt...???? where have you seen a lacking in him??? You haven't...You stated something obvious, he is small...So are some of the better backs in the leauge....All I am saying is, yes they are prospects, and since all we have to judge them off of is what weve seen thus far, what makes D'brick or winston more durable than reggie...And they've both had injury problems...You are making a guess, and yes that is fine, even if you don't have the evidence to support your theory...And since you are making these guesses against him with nothing backing you besides" he is small" I think you are just a Bush basher....

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 09:52 PM
once again, I never said that he will be a good player, I think he has the right ingredients to become one, but I never threw out hypothetical situations as to why I think this... Once Again I ask where is your evidence, where are your hard facts that point to him not getting 1,000 yrds, him getting hurt...???? where have you seen a lacking in him??? You haven't...You stated something obvious, he is small...So are some of the better backs in the leauge....All I am saying is, yes they are prospects, and since all we have to judge them off of is what weve seen thus far, what makes D'brick or winston more durable than reggie...And they've both had injury problems...You are making a guess, and yes that is fine, even if you don't have the evidence to support your theory...And since you are making these guesses against him with nothing backing you besides" he is small" I think you are just a Bush basher....

dont forget cant run between the tackles....thats an important piece of it too.

real
01-01-2006, 09:55 PM
See thats what I mean... Does he not have success in between the tackles, or is it that he just has had so much success outside, that "we" want to label him an "outside" runner...I've seen him do it all, and I haven't really seen a lacking...

swtbound07
01-01-2006, 10:01 PM
See thats what I mean... Does he not have success in between the tackles, or is it that he just has had so much success outside, that "we" want to label him an "outside" runner...I've seen him do it all, and I haven't really seen a lacking...

I guess we should agree to disagree. Nothing i've seen of him has shown me that he is worth all of the hype he has, but im not an nfl scout by any means. I could be wrong, god knows i've been wrong before (sean taylor). Im just putting my opinion out there in a sea of reggie bush lovers.

tulexan
01-01-2006, 10:02 PM
http://www.houstonprofootball.com/draft/2006/images/PICTURE_bushr.gif http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/09/22/2002513521.jpg http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/gene_menez/10/02/heisman.watch/t1_reg2_si.jpg

He doesn't look that small to me. He may have been listed at 200 at the beginning of the season, but could easily be 205 or even 210 right now. The guy benches over 400 pounds, he isn't a frail back who is going to have a career ending injury the first time he gets hit.

CITY CAT
01-01-2006, 10:03 PM
Bush is a solid 200 pounds and does have some power. However why will he have to carry the ball 25-30 times a game when we have DD,


Domanick Davis=LenDale White???:cool:

real
01-01-2006, 10:04 PM
I guess we should agree to disagree.

agreed...besides Im tired of :fight:

PapaL
01-01-2006, 10:21 PM
What did DD do in college to make anyone think he would be an ok RB in the NFL? Nothing at all. The guy didnt even have the talent to start, he shared the load and then was drafted to be what? A Return man. So you can make the same argument that he didnt run in between the tackles, which in my opinion isnt a valid argument. A player can only run the plays that are called. Look at Bush's body of work, your telling me he NEVER ran in between the tackles? If so, then its a valid point. (Which I highly doubt)

For all the draft a linemen people. You can bet we will take someone with our second pick, which remember is still a player rated as worthy of being of a 1st round pick. There are only 32 picks in the first round, and hundreds of players fighting for one of those 32 picks.

If DD, and Wells, who combined did nothing in college compared to Bush, have success behind our O-Line, which is middle of the league in rushing, what would make believe that an obviously more talented player couldnt do the same or better?

To each his own though.

tulexan
01-01-2006, 10:29 PM
I don't understand this either. Why are people who weren't graded too high by scouts and didn't have the same success that Reggie had in college more likely to be successful than someone with the success that Reggie is having?

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2006, 10:51 PM
I don't understand this either. Why are people who weren't graded too high by scouts and didn't have the same success that Reggie had in college more likely to be successful than someone with the success that Reggie is having?

less preasure, more of name to make for themselves.

just a thought.

YoungTexanFan
01-01-2006, 10:53 PM
I guess we should agree to disagree. Nothing i've seen of him has shown me that he is worth all of the hype he has, but im not an nfl scout by any means. I could be wrong, god knows i've been wrong before (sean taylor). Im just putting my opinion out there in a sea of reggie bush lovers.

you weren't wrong on sean taylor. He is easily top 5 F/S in the NFL. When you wanted him on our team, look who we had this season: Colemen.

You were not wrong in your thinking, you were just thinking ahead of everyone else.

scourge
01-02-2006, 01:50 AM
as much as i'd like to see bush as a Texan, I personally think the smart thing to do would be trade out of the top spot a few places down and also get a 1st round for next year. Kind of like the Chargers did with Manning(sort of). One of the teams, such as the Saints and Jets would probably jump at the chance to get someone who was hyped up way more than Eli was. That way we still have a good chance to grab Ferguson in the 1st and possibly Winston in the 2nd. And still have an extra 1st next year.

But knowin Casserly, we'll probably take Bush and then trade the rest of our 1st day picks for a low 1st rd pick on a guy who just tore his acl. either that, or trade the rest of them for some jerk like Fred Ex.

big homey
01-02-2006, 01:57 AM
I've been really fickle about what the team should do with the #1, so I've decided that I'll wait to see Reggie against a real team before I start playing GM. I think what happens depends a lot on who'll be coaching the team next year.

Let the offseason begin.

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 01:23 PM
as much as i'd like to see bush as a Texan, I personally think the smart thing to do would be trade out of the top spot a few places down and also get a 1st round for next year. Kind of like the Chargers did with Manning(sort of). One of the teams, such as the Saints and Jets would probably jump at the chance to get someone who was hyped up way more than Eli was. That way we still have a good chance to grab Ferguson in the 1st and possibly Winston in the 2nd. And still have an extra 1st next year.

But knowin Casserly, we'll probably take Bush and then trade the rest of our 1st day picks for a low 1st rd pick on a guy who just tore his acl. either that, or trade the rest of them for some jerk like Fred Ex.

I doubt the Saints would trade up for Bush since they have Deuce McAllister, and they are sitting on the #2 pick and will likely take Leinart to replace Aaron Brooks, of course since McAllister missed over half the year, missing more games this year than Domanick Davis did in all three of his years, so according to some people on this board he must be injury-prone so they should look for an immediate replacement for him. That aside, the Jets, 49ers, or maybe the Packers could trade up for Bush, but I doubt the 49ers will be looking to trade off a bunch of their picks to move up from the #6/7 slot to the #1 as they are in the rebuilding process and would need to come up with a big offer to make fair value on the trade.

PapaL
01-02-2006, 01:33 PM
I doubt the Saints would trade up for Bush since they have Deuce McAllister, and they are sitting on the #2 pick and will likely take Leinart to replace Aaron Brooks, of course since McAllister missed over half the year, missing more games this year than Domanick Davis did in all three of his years, so according to some people on this board he must be injury-prone so they should look for an immediate replacement for him. That aside, the Jets, 49ers, or maybe the Packers could trade up for Bush, but I doubt the 49ers will be looking to trade off a bunch of their picks to move up from the #6/7 slot to the #1 as they are in the rebuilding process and would need to come up with a big offer to make fair value on the trade.

What do you prefer, a guy who gets hurt once and misses half a season, or a guy thats game time descion every week and you never know if he's going to be in the line up?

Deuce has gone down once, DD goes down once every 2-3 games.

dat_boy_yec
01-02-2006, 01:50 PM
as much as i'd like to see bush as a Texan, I personally think the smart thing to do would be trade out of the top spot a few places down and also get a 1st round for next year. Kind of like the Chargers did with Manning(sort of). One of the teams, such as the Saints and Jets would probably jump at the chance to get someone who was hyped up way more than Eli was. That way we still have a good chance to grab Ferguson in the 1st and possibly Winston in the 2nd. And still have an extra 1st next year.


Ok, I can agree with your reasoning as far as the pick next yr. The thing I dont get is why would you even consider Winston in the second (don't think that'll happen) if you get D'brick in the first. That doesn't really make sense, if the Texans have so many holes why would they use 2 picks to fill 1 hole?

MorKnolle
01-02-2006, 02:09 PM
What do you prefer, a guy who gets hurt once and misses half a season, or a guy thats game time descion every week and you never know if he's going to be in the line up?

Deuce has gone down once, DD goes down once every 2-3 games.

But Deuce's one serious injury has cost him more games than all of Davis' minor injuries combined, so obviously he is injury-prone in the logic of some people on this board. Some people keep bringing up that Eric Winston will not be a sufficient OT because he tore his ACL two years ago, despite the fact that he's recovered and looks quite good, but obviously a star RB tearing his ACL is no big deal and he'll be fine, while Davis' injury this year means he can't be a starting RB when his injury was a result of being overworked rather than splitting time with his backups that were brought in to help him shoulder the work load.

LikeABoss
01-02-2006, 02:44 PM
What do you prefer, a guy who gets hurt once and misses half a season, or a guy thats game time descion every week and you never know if he's going to be in the line up?

Deuce has gone down once, DD goes down once every 2-3 games.

The Saints just gave Deuce a contract worth about $60 mill right before the season started, we are not drafting a RB with our first pick that's for sure.

JDizzle
01-02-2006, 02:56 PM
dont forget cant run between the tackles....thats an important piece of it too.

This is one of the silliest arguments I've heard. So what he doesn't run it up the gut every time he runs the ball? Why dig a hole with a pitchfork?

Btw, several of his big runs this year have come between the tackles. The one against Fresno St. that's made every highlight reel was run between the tackles.

I don't care if he runs through or around guys to get to the end zone, as long as he gets there.

CITY CAT
01-02-2006, 06:39 PM
This is one of the silliest arguments I've heard. So what he doesn't run it up the gut every time he runs the ball? Why dig a hole with a pitchfork?

Btw, several of his big runs this year have come between the tackles. The one against Fresno St. that's made every highlight reel was run between the tackles.

I don't care if he runs through or around guys to get to the end zone, as long as he gets there.

Well Said JD:)

TheOgre
01-03-2006, 10:02 AM
I believe in Bush. If we drafted him, I wouldn't be upset.

I just happen to believe that 4 picks (including a few slots lower and a 2007 1st) would help this talent deprived team more.

I'll be happy either way.

MorKnolle
01-03-2006, 10:43 AM
I believe in Bush. If we drafted him, I wouldn't be upset.

I just happen to believe that 4 picks (including a few slots lower and a 2007 1st) would help this talent deprived team more.

I'll be happy either way.

I am with you, I can't honestly say I'd be upset if we drafted Bush, assuming we actually use him and Davis and everyone else together effectively. That said, I also think that bringing in more draft picks and/or veteran players by trading that pick away would benefit this team a lot more.

CITY CAT
01-03-2006, 10:54 AM
I am with you, I can't honestly say I'd be upset if we drafted Bush, assuming we actually use him and Davis and everyone else together effectively. That said, I also think that bringing in more draft picks and/or veteran players by trading that pick away would benefit this team a lot more.

Mcnair fired Capers but kept CC, indicating that he doesn't believe talent is the problem of this team.

MorKnolle
01-03-2006, 11:02 AM
Mcnair fired Capers but kept CC, indicating that he doesn't believe talent is the problem of this team.

Keeping Casserly doesn't mean he thinks he has done a great job, as he said yesterday he thinks the good decisions have outnumbered the bad decisions in regards to personnel moves. By firing Capers and keeping Casserly, he is saying more that he thinks we do have some talent but the coaching staff was not able to get them to play to the level they should, not that we have Super Bowl caliber talent and don't need to add any more good players. I think the biggest problem with our team was not Capers himself but the coaching staff that was aroudn him that did not develop the players properly, and then the horrendous offensive and defensive systems we were running. Sure Capers oversees all of that and should have stepped in, but I don't think he was directly the problem in coaching. That said, coaching was our #1 problem this year, not saying that our player personnel is great, but we do have more talent than what our team played like this year, and that falls on the coaching staff.

Coach C.
01-03-2006, 11:10 AM
I agree Mork, by no means did it seem like McNair is completely sold on Casserly. Also you said earlier about getting Bush is right on in my opinion. He is a great player and may be great in the pros also, but I would like to see more talent on the team. 3 talented players or 5 talented players is the way I read it. 3 if we draft Bush and 5 if we trade the picks. Think about it this way. In the San Diego trade they lost a franchise QB more important than Bush anyday, but they gained a QB, KR, DL, rookie of the year OLB, WR. I mean it is proven that if you can swindle some team into going after Bush hard we can get some serious players. Think about this next year. Let's say we trade with ohh Packers. Favre retires and they suck top 5 pick next year plus our pick. We could be looking at a slew of talented individuals including some of the best young RBs to come out since last year. It just makes since to trade the pick away for the right price.

tulexan
01-03-2006, 11:16 AM
The San Diego trade with New York was different because they were looking for a QB and Rivers and Manning were neck and neck on who is better. It wasn't that they were looking for a quarterback and then got a tackle or a line backer with the next pick. Now you could say something about the San Diego trade with Atlanta because they traded a QB for a RB, but they had neither a RB or a QB so they could "settle" for LaDainian Tomlinson.

beerlover
01-03-2006, 11:25 AM
In my Mock the only trade I messed around with was the Texans pick going to the NY Jets in exchange for their #1 this year along with their 2nd & 3rd rounders and next years 2nd rd. pick this according to the Draft Pick Value Chart and the fact that the Jets want Bush & Bush is on record saying that he would love to play in NY.

There may be another suitor willing to cough up more for Bush (Raiders?) but I feel the Jets would be the best fit & most viable trading partner. Its not a slam dunk that very many teams would be able or willing to make the blockbuster type of trade you guys are calling for, but best of luck anyways :)

Coach C.
01-03-2006, 11:52 AM
Beer I dont want a blockbuster deal just a fair trade value. I think alot of people are wanting to trade and stay in the top 5. I say take the best trade we have. I brought up the Packers just because they would be a good next year 1st rounder to have if Favre retires. SF or Oakland would be great though. They are gonna go after a hot coach and a big time O-coordinator to upgrade that high priced offense. I think Al Davis is just crazy enough to put togeter some package to get Bush, but that is only if he wants him. I think a 1st, 2nd, and next years 1st, 4th is the right trade value. This would be my starting asking price and then we can haggle from this start point.

MorKnolle
01-03-2006, 02:44 PM
Al Davis would be one to offer a ludicrous trade, but I'm not sure how much they'd want him after bringing in LaMont Jordan last year.