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tiger713
01-01-2006, 05:03 PM
Jan. 1, 2006, 4:30PM
Sources: Casserly to stay, Capers to exit

By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
SAN FRANCISCO – Coach Dom Capers’ firing has been a foregone conclusion for weeks, but sources close to owner Bob McNair said today that general manager Charley Casserly will return to the Texans and remain in charge of the personnel department.

Capers’ firing will be made official Monday morning and announced at an afternoon news conference at Reliant Stadium.

Two sources said that McNair also will announce that Casserly will return, putting to rest speculation around the country that he might be fired or might ask to buy out the last year of his contract.

Keeping Casserly in the same capacity means he’ll also figure prominently in the search for Capers’ replacement, as he did when Capers was hired as the first coach of Houston's expansion team.

When asked before Sunday’s game against the 49ers at Monster Park if Casserly definitely will return, McNair declined to comment. He said he had meetings scheduled with Capers and Casserly on Monday and that it wouldn’t be appropriate to comment until after he met with them.

However, the sources close to McNair said today that the owner had already met with Casserly and informed the general manager that he wanted him to return and that Casserly had agreed. Casserly also declined comment.

When McNair hired former NFL coach Dan Reeves as a consultant to evaluate talent that had been acquired by Casserly, there was speculation within the organization that the general manager wouldn’t want to stay after the season.

McNair and Reeves had several meetings last week. Reeves has been watching tape of Texans’ games and telling McNair what he thinks about the players.

Reeves had been out of football for two years until McNair called to ask for his help. When Reeves was introduced, he said he would consider a return to coaching if the right situation came along. McNair has said time and again that Reeves is a friend and consultant he trusts to give him an honest opinion about the Texans’ talent.

Obviously, Reeves said enough good things about the talent to convince McNair that Casserly wasn’t the problem.

Once it becomes official Monday that Casserly will return and that Capers is gone, the Texans have to turn their attention to the coaching search.

The Texans are expected to interview, among others, Washington assistant head coach/defense Gregg Williams, Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, Pittsburgh offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt, Buffalo defensive coordinator Jerry Gray, Chicago defensive coordinator Ron Rivera and possibly New York Giants defensive coordinator Tim Lewis.

The Texans also are expected to interview one or two college head coaches with NFL experience.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3559136.html

BigDTexansFan
01-01-2006, 05:09 PM
John McClain just a few weeks ago said Dan Reeves would be head coach of Texans, I think John Mclain needs to swear of writing when he celebrates New Years with just a tad too much liquid refreshment....:pigfly:

Goldeagle
01-01-2006, 05:56 PM
IF CASSERLY IS HERE NEXT YEAR I REFUSE TO GO TO ANY DANG GAMES, OR EVEN TUNE IN TO GAMES!!

CASSERLY IS THE BIGGEST EFFING JOKE FOR A GM AND SHOULD BE REPLACED YESTERDAY!

Im so tired of his usual B.S.

"Well if you draft an offensive lineman, it will take 3 years to develop him so he wont help you now."

3 years later:

"Well if you draft an offensive lineman now, it will take you 3 years to develop him so he wont help you now."

NO ******* CASSERLY!!!!! THAT IS WHY THIS WHOLE DANG CITY KNEW TO DRAFT AN OL AFTER THE 3rd GAME OF THE FIRST FREAKING SEASON!

Marcus
01-01-2006, 06:50 PM
Something tells me that aj's season tickets and PSLs just went up for sale.

Meisterman
01-01-2006, 06:52 PM
Fire Casserly! Clean House!

This guy is has been sitting on McNair's lap too long. I don't trust him and the talent on this team is a joke.

txnfan4eva
01-01-2006, 06:55 PM
Hire Me, I Can't Do Any Worse Than Casserly Has!!!!!!

Tulip
01-01-2006, 06:55 PM
I called it!

I had a feeling that Reeves was brought in to find out how deep McNair should cut. As much as McClain was disgusted by McNair's "slap in the face" to Casserly, I thought Reeves would be the one to save Casserly's job.

As someone who has really come to believe, over the last half of the season, that personnel was NOT the problem, I am very pleased with this outcome. Casserly has made no more mistakes than any general manager would after 4 years. He doesn't even have any first round busts as Texans' GM.

Erratic Assassin
01-01-2006, 07:03 PM
"Well if you draft an offensive lineman, it will take 3 years to develop him so he wont help you now."

3 years later:

"Well if you draft an offensive lineman now, it will take you 3 years to develop him so he wont help you now."

Awesome! You nailed it on the head! As long as Casserly is our GM we will be 3 years away from the playoffs. The sooner we ****-can Casserly the sooner we can start the road to recovery.

aj.
01-01-2006, 07:03 PM
Something tells me that aj's season tickets and PSLs just went up for sale.

Thanks for thinking of me, but through rain or sleet or snow or Charley Casserly, I will always be there....

Given Casserly's faults, he still hasn't mooned a wedding party in Buffalo so he's not the absolute worst I've seen - although he's close. If this rumor is true, I cringe over what draft day might bring. If CC stays, the head coaching field of candidates just a lot smaller. And with Casserly only having one year remaining on his contract, what kind of loyalty will the new head coach have to his new boss unless he is extended as well?

Nighthawk
01-01-2006, 07:04 PM
There's a POLL on the msg board where you can say whether you think keeping Casserly is a good idea or a mistake.

Goldeagle
01-01-2006, 07:15 PM
Awesome! You nailed it on the head! As long as Casserly is our GM we will be 3 years away from the playoffs. The sooner we ****-can Casserly the sooner we can start the road to recovery.

Amen!

Perhaps Casserly can go get another old veteran who teams are not signing to shore up our OL

aj.
01-01-2006, 07:32 PM
...and furthermore, if my boss hires a consultant to review my performance and I don't find out about it until the day of a very public press conference announcing the same, and since I have more than an ounce of pride and nads and confidence in my ability to take my skills elsewhere, I would have the letter of resignation on the bosses desk the next day. If I take the slap in the face and play the blame game to keep my job in those circumstances, then what's that say about me?

Meisterman
01-01-2006, 07:41 PM
If Casserly stays...then he needs a towel to wipe off his brown nose.

Porky
01-01-2006, 07:43 PM
If this is true, this really sucks. We need to totally clean house. Dumb and Dumber both need to go yesterday. Major disapointment...and I agree with AJ - the list of major-league candatites just dwindled. Mcnair just doesn't get it, and I am afraid we won't go far until he actually gets a clue.

TexanDave
01-01-2006, 09:31 PM
I hope this isn't true. Casserly needs to go.

HoustonFrog
01-01-2006, 09:34 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!I'd rather have Casserly gone than Capers and they both are bad. What is he thinking?He will ruin this years draft completely.

Hookem Horns
01-01-2006, 10:15 PM
Dumb and Dumber both need to go yesterday.

Always cool to have my avatar quoted. :) If Casserly is not fired just wait to see what my next avatar ends up being.

COOL V
01-01-2006, 10:22 PM
As much as I can't stand Capers, I would rather have him as coach then Casserly stay as GM. He is the reason we stink, all the draft picks given up and the so called talent he has picked up in doing so. He'll wind up selecting a punter for the first overall pick or trade it for a punter or something genius like that.

GoBlue
01-01-2006, 10:26 PM
I called it!

I had a feeling that Reeves was brought in to find out how deep McNair should cut. As much as McClain was disgusted by McNair's "slap in the face" to Casserly, I thought Reeves would be the one to save Casserly's job.

As someone who has really come to believe, over the last half of the season, that personnel was NOT the problem, I am very pleased with this outcome. Casserly has made no more mistakes than any general manager would after 4 years. He doesn't even have any first round busts as Texans' GM.
Excellent point- many other teams have failed miserably in the first round and remain pathetic for years (see: Detroit). Aside from maybe T Johnson CC hasn't missed yet in round 1

Honoring Earl 34
01-01-2006, 10:34 PM
:ok: CASSERLY'S BACK ... EXCELLENT . AL DAVIS

Grid
01-01-2006, 10:34 PM
true.. he hasnt.. but he has also ignored our problems at Oline.. traded away lots of picks for Babin and Buchanan.. and has failed repeatedly to find playmakers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Still.. he isnt totally inept.. and it will be interesting to see what he does with our picks in this draft.

Bush, I think, is almost a lock as the #1 pick. If he ruines our 2nd and 2 3rds.. im gonna picket reliant.

Im tired of seeing Olinemen we COULD have had go to other teams and put up great performances.

3 words for ya Casserly

Max
Jean
Gilles

HoustonFrog
01-01-2006, 10:38 PM
Excellent point- many other teams have failed miserably in the first round and remain pathetic for years (see: Detroit). Aside from maybe T Johnson CC hasn't missed yet in round 1


How can you guys even think anything Casserly has done is serviceable? Teams become good drafting in Rds 2-5. The Texans have missed badly with way too many of them. Especially considering WHO he took in those rounds, knowing we need O-line. Just go through the list, including the trades and expansion draft. Casserly would be fired for his performance in any other job.

http://www.drafthistory.com/years.html

SESupergenius
01-01-2006, 10:54 PM
He''ll be back and then select Reggie Bush to give us Bush, Davis, Morency, and Hollings, and possibley Wells. Nice. We then would have another high priced rookie on our team. Great. There are going to be some really p.o'd fans come draft time and next season when we finish 5-11. I guess he takes credit for all the good he's done for this team and Capers takes blame.

Grid
01-01-2006, 11:07 PM
eh.. his record in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round isnt TERRIBLE.. if you dont count the times when he traded the picks away.

problem is he keeps trading the dang picks and we dont HAVE middle round picks.

But.. Jabar Gaffney, Chester Pitts, Seth Wand(I still think could play RT), Antwan Peek, Jerome Mathis, Domanick Davis, Jonathen Wells, Glenn Earl.. these are our middle round picks.

The busts are Charles Hill and Fred Weary

Dave Ragone.. hes on the fence but im leaning towards bust with him

Bennie Joppru could very well be a bust but I dont blame that one on Casserly.

Vernand Morency is on the fence as well.. but I think he will be a contributor.


Really.. his record in the draft is pretty good, IF you dont count the trades. Its the traded draft picks, and boneheaded FA moves that give him the bad rep.

If McNair has a shorter leash on Casserly now.. and keeps him from making any big trades in the draft, and makes sure that the players we sign in FA are thoroughly scouted beforehand.. I think Casserly can still be a real good GM for us.

Gilly
01-01-2006, 11:11 PM
Maybe he will try to draft his new coach with the first pick.
FIRE THIS CLOWN and give us something to be proud of.

HJam72
01-01-2006, 11:11 PM
eh.. his record in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round isnt TERRIBLE.. if you dont count the times when he traded the picks away.

problem is he keeps trading the dang picks and we dont HAVE middle round picks.

But.. Jabar Gaffney, Chester Pitts, Seth Wand(I still think could play RT), Antwan Peek, Jerome Mathis, Domanick Davis, Jonathen Wells, Glenn Earl.. these are our middle round picks.

The busts are Charles Hill and Fred Weary

Dave Ragone.. hes on the fence but im leaning towards bust with him

Bennie Joppru could very well be a bust but I dont blame that one on Casserly.

Vernand Morency is on the fence as well.. but I think he will be a contributor.


Really.. his record in the draft is pretty good, IF you dont count the trades. Its the traded draft picks, and boneheaded FA moves that give him the bad rep.

If McNair has a shorter leash on Casserly now.. and keeps him from making any big trades in the draft, and makes sure that the players we sign in FA are thoroughly scouted beforehand.. I think Casserly can still be a real good GM for us.

I'm glad you said that because I've been thinking it for most of this year. We've got guys on this team that looked really bad in the past that will start to come of age soon and a new coaching staff will help tremendously. Besides, we've had players in the wrong positions--like McKinney playing center and Wand playing LT. I still want D'Brick or Winston though and would plan to EVENTUALLY put Pitts at RT. Obviously, I want a center as well.

Wolf
01-01-2006, 11:12 PM
how is Ragone a bust when he plays behind Carr?
I guess we ought to say Morency is a bust also because he plays behind DD

Grid
01-01-2006, 11:18 PM
Didnt say he was a bust.. said I was leaning towards bust.

and im leaning towards bust because he hasnt done anything to cement himself as the #2 QB.. and when he HAS played..he hasnt been impressive. Even in preseason.

SESupergenius
01-01-2006, 11:18 PM
eh.. his record in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round isnt TERRIBLE.. if you dont count the times when he traded the picks away.

problem is he keeps trading the dang picks and we dont HAVE middle round picks.

But.. Jabar Gaffney, Chester Pitts, Seth Wand(I still think could play RT), Antwan Peek, Jerome Mathis, Domanick Davis, Jonathen Wells, Glenn Earl.. these are our middle round picks.

The busts are Charles Hill and Fred Weary

Dave Ragone.. hes on the fence but im leaning towards bust with him

Bennie Joppru could very well be a bust but I dont blame that one on Casserly.

Vernand Morency is on the fence as well.. but I think he will be a contributor.


Really.. his record in the draft is pretty good, IF you dont count the trades. Its the traded draft picks, and boneheaded FA moves that give him the bad rep.

If McNair has a shorter leash on Casserly now.. and keeps him from making any big trades in the draft, and makes sure that the players we sign in FA are thoroughly scouted beforehand.. I think Casserly can still be a real good GM for us.
Grid none of those guys are big play makers, except for DD and Capers was in on that one when he coached the Senior Bowl where DD played.

Grid
01-01-2006, 11:20 PM
You arent necessarily supposed to get playmakers in the 2nd-4th round. You are supposed to get the backbone of your team. meaning.. starters, quality depth.. things of that nature. All those guys who dont make it on the highlight reel, but are just as important as the guys who are.

Sure you want to get a playmaker out of the middle rounds now and again.. and we have... but for the most part what you are looking for is solid contributors.

Wolf
01-01-2006, 11:25 PM
Didnt say he was a bust.. said I was leaning towards bust.

and im leaning towards bust because he hasnt done anything to cement himself as the #2 QB.. and when he HAS played..he hasnt been impressive. Even in preseason.
sorry, misread ya.. My problem with the coaching staff was that when Carr struggled, they left him in. Why not get Banks in there to get some gamefilm on how to run this offense on a gameday situation? As we can see our practices dont' mean nothing given our defense is so pourous. Carr is probably "book smart" as far as how our offense goes, but "common sense" smart (i.e. feel for the rush/making the right reads) ... he just has to watch himself make the mistakes instead of seeing a different perspective (i.e. maybe banks fun the drills).. and preseason game film..well that doesn't help much ..too much vanilla defenses/offenses being played

SESupergenius
01-01-2006, 11:26 PM
You arent necessarily supposed to get playmakers in the 2nd-4th round. You are supposed to get the backbone of your team. meaning.. starters, And that is the mentality that Casserly has been feeding us for years now, especially quoting statistics about later rounders making the team blah blah blah. That kind of thinking lead us to blow our load on Buchanon, jump on Joppru, Hollings, and Babin, and trade away valuable picks.

SESupergenius
01-01-2006, 11:27 PM
sorry, misread ya.. My problem with the coaching staff was that when Carr struggled, they left him in. Why not get Banks in there to get some gamefilm on how to run this offense on a gameday situation? As we can see our practices dont' mean nothing given our defense is so pourous. Carr is probably "book smart" as far as how our offense goes, but "common sense" smart (i.e. feel for the rush/making the right reads) ... he just has to watch himself make the mistakes instead of seeing a different perspective (i.e. maybe banks fun the drills).. and preseason game film..well that doesn't help much ..too much vanilla defenses/offenses being played
I totally agree but Carr had the better talent. But this actually goes back to the bigging when Carr should have sat the bench for a while and let a veteran QB show him the ropes. I hated the trial by fire.

Grid
01-01-2006, 11:29 PM
.... and your philosophy is what SES? Get a playmaker in every round?

your right..thats a much better philosophy.. ill file it right next to communism in my "ideas that look good on paper but dont work in the real world" folder.

Grid
01-01-2006, 11:32 PM
I agree with ya Wolf.... I think our current coaching staff has been way to loyal to the "starters" .. they have had tunnel vision and because of that, they have neglected to "unearth" the talent that we have on the team. I mean.. look at what it took just to get some playing time for our 2nd and 3rd string LBs. YEARS without a pass rush and it took injuries and a 2-14 season for someone to finally say "hey, why dont we play Orr/Anderson/Polk"

Armstrong is riding the pine.. Mathis hasnt had enough time at WR.. Ragone has had no playing time..

I cant wait for our new coaching staff. I think once some new guys come in and reevaluate our talent.. we are gonna see a new and much more effective look next season.

beerlover
01-01-2006, 11:33 PM
the season is over, thought I'd something more to say :brickwall

GREAT PINK CASSERLY FLOYD

Tulip
01-01-2006, 11:37 PM
I cant wait for our new coaching staff. I think once some new guys come in and reevaluate our talent.. we are gonna see a new and much more effective look next season.

My sentiments exactly.

SESupergenius
01-01-2006, 11:39 PM
.... and your philosophy is what SES? Get a playmaker in every round?

your right..thats a much better philosophy.. ill file it right next to communism in my "ideas that look good on paper but dont work in the real world" folder.
My philiosophy isn't so much mine, it's what most solid GM's do. Do some good scouting and know the players available. Don't get cute and outthink yourself. I can safely say they didn't do that with Buchanon or Hollings. He has a gambler mentality and doesn't do his due diligence. We need a solid GM that knows how to draft in every round. Simply really, but go ahead and file that under "makes sense" along with rest of the class that thinks Casserly is awesome after not getting a solid line for 4 years. Nice.

dtran04
01-01-2006, 11:40 PM
Just be glad we don't have a GM like Matt Millen.

Grid
01-01-2006, 11:52 PM
I didnt say he was great :).. I said he was servicable and may do a pretty good job if McNair keeps him on a shorter leash.

We have done well with the players we DID draft in the middle rounds. As I said.. the problem has been Casserly trading away picks.. and making boneheaded FA moves. We seem to agree on that.. and that it needs to stop. Hopefully McNair intends to do that.

The only point I was making was that when Casserly DOES use the draft picks to draft players.. his record is pretty good.

Tulip
01-01-2006, 11:57 PM
NFL.com is reporting Capers out, Casserly in, according to what sources have told the AP.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/HOU/9134554

dalemurphy
01-01-2006, 11:59 PM
Look, once you get past the 1st round, the draft has much more to do with our scouting department than it does with the GM. Casserly didn't draft Faggins, Dom Davis, Pitts, Shantee Orr, etc... because he personally scouted him. Nor did he draft Babin, Charles Hill, Weary, Milford Brown, etc... because he personally scouted them. I'm more concerned that the scouting department gets a good look and an overhaul. I'm also glad that Capers and Casserly won't be working together anymore because their collaberation was a failure. They worked together on personnel decisions like Babin, Sharper and Glenn's release and who knows what else. These decisions have been total missteps. Perhaps the next coach/GM relationship will yield better results.

My main criticisms of Casserly have been:
1. his lack of leadership in revamping the offense and removing Chris Palmer before this season.
2. Tony Hollings
3. Phillip Buchanan
4. The release of Aaron Glenn and Jamie Sharper

However, he's done some things right as well:
1. all the 1st round picks!
2. cap management
3. Drew Henson
4. Dom Davis, Jerome Mathis and a host of other solid mid/late round picks.

It's impossible to accurately grade the talent on the team when it is full of youth that has spent their short NFL careers with a coaching staff that is being fired because we all agree they haven't done their job. So, while I'm concerned about Casserly's abilities as a GM, I'm comforted that our owner is patient enough to evaluate him by allowing him one more draft and another shot at hiring a coaching staff.

aj.
01-02-2006, 02:27 AM
However, he's done some things right as well:
1. all the 1st round picks!
2. cap management


My Pomeranian could have tapped the floor twice with her paw to come up with Carr and AJ. Dunta was a good pick. Babin a costly incomplete. TJ? Maybe he'll find his niche as a 4-3 tackle.

Dan Ferens is as much in charge of the contracts and cap management as Casserly. Do you call the Walker, Wade, Smith, Greenwood, Wong, et al., contracts sound cap management?

No one knows what Bobby Grier's scorecard looks like but we do know this: Casserly has final call on all personnel moves, including draft picks.

Guess I'll need a new avatar....dammm

bigtex77
01-02-2006, 02:32 AM
My Pomeranian could have tapped the floor twice with her paw to come up with Carr and AJ.
I just spit coke on my keyboard, thanks.

Grid
01-02-2006, 02:36 AM
AJ.. i gotta disagree with Carr and AJ being easy picks. Maybe not as hard as a 2nd or 3rd round decision.. but we COULD have ended up with Harrington instead of Carr.. and we COULD have ended up with Charles Rogers instead of Andre Johnson.

It aint necessarily rocket science.. but even if it wasnt a HUGE decision.. you have to at least give him credit for taking the right ones.

aj.
01-02-2006, 02:38 AM
Your welcome.

... not to say that Carr isn't the most costly incomplete himself..

aj.
01-02-2006, 02:41 AM
AJ.. i gotta disagree with Carr and AJ being easy picks. Maybe not as hard as a 2nd or 3rd round decision.. but we COULD have ended up with Harrington instead of Carr.. and we COULD have ended up with Charles Rogers instead of Andre Johnson.

It aint necessarily rocket science.. but even if it wasnt a HUGE decision.. you have to at least give him credit for taking the right ones.

How could the Texans have ended up with Rogers? He was gone when the Texans picked and since the Texans needed a playmaker WR ....hmmmm .....who's left on the board but that guy from Miami. Arf arf. Yap yap...

Grid
01-02-2006, 02:42 AM
heh.. thats true..we couldnt really have ended up with Rogers.. but after the draft I think everyone confirmed that we wanted Johnson over Rogers.

Course.. we would say that about anyone we drafted.. but still.

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 08:38 AM
Grid none of those guys are big play makers, except for DD and Capers was in on that one when he coached the Senior Bowl where DD played.

Agreed. How is that list "pretty good." They start because the team is horrible. They aren't top of the line guys. AGAIN, the problem is he took alot of those guys in the middle rounds the last two years...when we needed O-lineman. How is that smart?

houstonhurricane
01-02-2006, 08:47 AM
Let's face it, Casserly is a large part of the problem. How in the heck can we be sitting here about to fire Capers and give Casserly a "free pass?" He is responsible for hiring the coaching staff, scouting and drafting the players and overall management of this franchise. He has simply stunk. And for anyone that still wants to trade our Reggie slot for additional picks, do you really trust Casserly with those additional picks? Seriously...

bckey
01-02-2006, 02:02 PM
If the Texans keep Casserly you can thank Dan Reeves. Maybe Reeves talked up Casserly to McNair thinking he would be the next head coach making Casserly his boss. Just a thought.

aj.
01-02-2006, 02:18 PM
Latest tidbit from Sportsradio 610 is that not only will Casserly be retained, he's going to have his contract extended for a few years. This is some depressing sht.

CowboysTexansFan
01-02-2006, 02:47 PM
No kidding. Ideally, if Casserly had to stay, he wouldn't have his contract extended. I'm not at all comfortable with Casserly remaining in charge of our personnel department. Oh well.

aj.
01-02-2006, 03:10 PM
They backtracked slightly on that a few minutes ago and said he could be extended beyond next year if things appear to turn around in '06. That's hardly news.

Ryan
01-02-2006, 04:06 PM
IF CASSERLY IS HERE NEXT YEAR I REFUSE TO GO TO ANY DANG GAMES, OR EVEN TUNE IN TO GAMES!!

CASSERLY IS THE BIGGEST EFFING JOKE FOR A GM AND SHOULD BE REPLACED YESTERDAY!

Im so tired of his usual B.S.

"Well if you draft an offensive lineman, it will take 3 years to develop him so he wont help you now."

3 years later:

"Well if you draft an offensive lineman now, it will take you 3 years to develop him so he wont help you now."

NO ******* CASSERLY!!!!! THAT IS WHY THIS WHOLE DANG CITY KNEW TO DRAFT AN OL AFTER THE 3rd GAME OF THE FIRST FREAKING SEASON!

the only problem with that now is that he instead of trading the 1st round draft pick will probably draft an ol first overall.

HoustonFrog
01-02-2006, 04:10 PM
the only problem with that now is that he instead of trading the 1st round draft pick will probably draft an ol first overall.

There is no way you can do that. You can find O-lineman in free agency and in the middle round. You are wasting a pick if you take an O-lineman so high.

Jack Bauer
01-02-2006, 05:09 PM
I am depressed! They should have both been fired.

bigbag12
01-02-2006, 05:14 PM
woohoo, 1/2 the problems fixed. now we will just suck 1/2 as bad:rolleyes:

Ryan71780
01-02-2006, 05:48 PM
Casserly is the GM and is one of the primary people responsible for personnel decisions. Wether it was the coaches ideas to make the bad moves or not, Casserly should not allow it if it is a bad move. Two years in a row, the team gave up way too much for players who aren't even starters(2n & 3rd rounder for Buchanon and 2nd, 3rd &4th rounder for Babin.) They have let the wrong people go(Glenn and Sharper), overpayed free agents(Greenwood & Wade), and made bad 2-5 round picks(Gafney, Joppru, Wand, Hollings, etc.) Some of that blame has to be placed on Casserly, if not most of it. The personnel decisions, not the coaching and playcalling, are why the team went from 7-9 to 2-14 with not a whole lot to look forward to next year except Reggie Bush.

Marcus
01-02-2006, 05:51 PM
Will the moderator please put this into one of the other 25 Casserly threads? This is getting rediculous.

Tulip
01-02-2006, 05:56 PM
Why is Casserly keeping his job?

Because McNair and Reeves aren't as smart as all of the keyboard owners/managers here on this board.

I am still entertaining theories as to why the Texans offense fell off this season with no major personnel subtractions - and how this can be blamed on Casserly. I'm listening. Really, I am.

Ryan71780
01-02-2006, 06:12 PM
I called it!

I had a feeling that Reeves was brought in to find out how deep McNair should cut. As much as McClain was disgusted by McNair's "slap in the face" to Casserly, I thought Reeves would be the one to save Casserly's job.

As someone who has really come to believe, over the last half of the season, that personnel was NOT the problem, I am very pleased with this outcome. Casserly has made no more mistakes than any general manager would after 4 years. He doesn't even have any first round busts as Texans' GM.

Casserly is the GM and is one of the primary people responsible for personnel decisions. Wether it was the coaches ideas to make the bad moves or not, Casserly should not allow it if it is a bad move. Two years in a row, the team gave up way too much for players who aren't even starters(2n & 3rd rounder for Buchanon and 2nd, 3rd &4th rounder for Babin.) They have let the wrong people go(Glenn and Sharper), overpayed free agents(Greenwood & Wade), and made bad 2-5 round picks(Gafney, Joppru, Wand, Hollings, etc.) Some of that blame has to be placed on casserly, if not most of it. The personnel decisions, not the coaching and playcalling, are why the team went from 7-9 to 2-14 with not a whole lot to look forward to next year except Reggie Bush.

Tulip
01-02-2006, 06:18 PM
Casserly is the GM and is one of the primary people responsible for personnel decisions. Wether it was the coaches ideas to make the bad moves or not, Casserly should not allow it if it is a bad move. Two years in a row, the team gave up way too much for players who aren't even starters(2n & 3rd rounder for Buchanon and 2nd, 3rd &4th rounder for Babin.) They have let the wrong people go(Glenn and Sharper), overpayed free agents(Greenwood & Wade), and made bad 2-5 round picks(Gafney, Joppru, Wand, Hollings, etc.) Some of that blame has to be placed on casserly, if not most of it. The personnel decisions, not the coaching and playcalling, are why the team went from 7-9 to 2-14 with not a whole lot to look forward to next year except Reggie Bush.

Yes, you posted that exact same post 3 posts ago. Thanks.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 06:23 AM
Because McNair and Reeves aren't as smart as all of the keyboard owners/managers here on this board.

I am still entertaining theories as to why the Texans offense fell off this season with no major personnel subtractions - and how this can be blamed on Casserly. I'm listening. Really, I am.
Shoot, that is easy. They didn't upgrade the oline, moved Riley to LT and switched the continuity of the offensive line around. It's the 4th year in a row the oline has been changed and Casserly not providing Capers with upgrades. Add to that we still have no upgrade at TE, 2nd reciever and our RB's can't pick up the blitz.

Tulip
01-03-2006, 11:02 AM
Shoot, that is easy. They didn't upgrade the oline, moved Riley to LT and switched the continuity of the offensive line around. It's the 4th year in a row the oline has been changed and Casserly not providing Capers with upgrades. Add to that we still have no upgrade at TE, 2nd reciever and our RB's can't pick up the blitz.

You're making a great case for similar offensive production, but not worse. Not much worse. What you are describing that could make the offense worse are personnel decisions made by the coaches.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 11:36 AM
You're making a great case for similar offensive production, but not worse. Not much worse. What you are describing that could make the offense worse are personnel decisions made by the coaches.
the shifting of the offensive line around accounted for many more sacks than last year and we had to fire our Offensive Coordinator and install a simplistic quick pass offense. Riley was brought in as our upgrade for the offensive line as was a street free agent at the end of the season. There you have it.

TheOgre
01-03-2006, 11:48 AM
Dan Reeves must have seen talent on this team and a lack of coaching/good schemes. That is the only explanation for why Casserly is still here. If Casserly has done some solid drafting but Caper's staff has mismanaged/misued that talent, then I can see why he was retained. I don't necessarily think that is the case, but apparently Reeves does.

SESupergenius
01-03-2006, 11:52 AM
Dan Reeves must have seen talent on this team and a lack of coaching/good schemes. That is the only explanation for why Casserly is still here. If Casserly has done some solid drafting but Caper's staff has mismanaged/misued that talent, then I can see why he was retained. I don't necessarily think that is the case, but apparently Reeves does.
Then explain why McNair is holding Casserly's hand through all of the decisions that will be made in the next few months? It's not like he has complete confidence in Casserly if he has to hire outside consultants and is getting more involved in the process. Casserly hired Capers as well, so if Capers is all the bad then that one is on him as well. Why is Casserly getting such a free ride, I don't get it.

rafterticket
01-03-2006, 12:08 PM
Charlie Casserly has given our first round and two third choices to Miami for Ricky Williams!

Hervoyel
01-03-2006, 12:17 PM
Then explain why McNair is holding Casserly's hand through all of the decisions that will be made in the next few months? It's not like he has complete confidence in Casserly if he has to hire outside consultants and is getting more involved in the process. Casserly hired Capers as well, so if Capers is all the bad then that one is on him as well. Why is Casserly getting such a free ride, I don't get it.

I think Bob has now gone through the experience of standing before a room full of reporters and not having any of the answers to their questions. He's not going to let it happen again. I think this 2-14 campaign blindsided Bob McNair to some extent and the interview he gave to the Chronicle is evidence of that fact. The team reached a point where they were losing so often that he had to go looking for answers on his own and what he learned clearly shocked him.

McNair is holding Casserly's hand because he's going to know about everything that happens from here on out. He's moved past the point where he's going to sit in his office, sign checks, and smile and nod when his minions tell him what's going on. He's going to see for himself what's going on and his coach and GM had better not mind stopping to explain it all to him.

Now is the scary part IMO. We learn this year whether our owner has Jerry Jones like inclinations. We learn if he has anything in common with Bud Adams. We're going to learn more about Bob McNair as an owner this year than we've learned in all the years up till now.

I think what we've seen so far bodes well for the future. He fired Dom and he fired the staff but he didn't do one of those great Bud-type purges.

aj.
01-03-2006, 12:19 PM
Casserly's wings have been clipped a bit based on some of McN's comments yesterday (the part about draft day decisions - extending powers of the head coach), McN making the decision on who the new coach will be, not to mention the Reeves consultant gig. Plus, CC is in his last year of his contract so this could be McN's way of transitioning him out after '06 unless this thing really gets turned around unexpectedly. The question for the next year will be "what record will save CC?"