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Tulip
12-29-2005, 10:47 PM
Of course, technically Kwame Cavil was his first Longhorn junior to declare, but he doesn't count. Mack refused to renew his scholarship after the suspension scandal during the 1999 bowl season.

So, here's Vince Young. 2nd place in Heisman voting. Leads NCAA with a 160+ passer rating. About to start in the Rose Bowl for the national championship.

First he was definitely coming back. Then he had "somewhat" made his decision. And today, during halftime of the Holiday Bowl, he said he hasn't even "sat down with his family" about his options.

To me, he is the Mack Brown/Texas player most likely to bolt before his senior season. Perhaps winning the championship would be the catalyst for choosing the NFL, and losing would make him want to stay and prove himself next year. Perhaps he's waiting for for some certainty that he will be a top 5 pick this year before he declares.

This kid is special. I give him credit for changing Mack Brown for the better. He is great to watch in person, and I only had that opportunity during his freshman season. He's the only QB with whom Mack Brown has put his complete faith and trust.

Part of me wants Vince Young to come out now and prove to the naysayers that he's ready and part of me wants to watch him make those awesome connections with Limas Sweed for another year and continue to make Mack Brown look like a genius.

Another reason I'd like him to stay is because I am jealous that some other NFL team is going to get him and I'd rather watch him play for my home college team for another year than play for some NFL competitor that may only visit Reliant every 6 or 8 years.

I guess, amongst my ramblings, my discussion questions are:

1. Do you think Vince Young will declare for the draft?

2. Do you want him to?

CenTexNative
12-29-2005, 10:53 PM
I for one think that Vince will be back for his senior year. So far everything I have read or heard that came from either him of his family say that he will be back. So that's what I am basing my opinion on.

tulexan
12-29-2005, 11:04 PM
I think that he will come back after Texas is embarrassed by USC just like Oklahoma was last year.

CenTexNative
12-29-2005, 11:09 PM
I think that he will come back after Texas is embarrassed by USC just like Oklahoma was last year.
I very seriously doubt that it will be an ebbarrasment. I expect it to be a very good game. The better team will win. In this case I hope it's the Longhorns. It is usc then so be it. At least they made it to the championship game.

tulexan
12-29-2005, 11:12 PM
This is an overhyped game. The media forgets that last year Oklahoma was #2, undefeated, and the game had 4 of 5 heisman finalists. USC's starting offense only played 3 quarters and they are even better this year.

profan
12-29-2005, 11:18 PM
If Vince just lights up the Rose Bowl with some type of record performance in the passing game, if the usc qb stinks it up, texas wins by a large margin, and then if it appears he may be the top qb selected, or at least drafted in the top 3, then i say he will go. That being said, i don't think he will set any kind of passing records, i think he will play a good game, but so will the usc qb. I think texas may win, but not by a blowout. If i had to put money on it, i would say vince young stays.

beerlover
12-29-2005, 11:26 PM
The only money that makes any difference will be the money left on the table if Vince stays :read:

Tulip
12-29-2005, 11:31 PM
This is an overhyped game. The media forgets that last year Oklahoma was #2, undefeated, and the game had 4 of 5 heisman finalists. USC's starting offense only played 3 quarters and they are even better this year.

I'd like to watch the shows you've been watching. I've seen the media repeatedly disregard Texas as some kind of tiny speedbump en route to USC's annoited Sears trophy.

awtysst
12-29-2005, 11:34 PM
Vince Young will stay in college.

The reason is that even if he declares he will not be the number one pick. He is likely not to be even a top 5 pick. Bush is likely the consensus top pick and leinart would be the top QB taken.

Next year's draft will be far friendlier to Young. Bush and leinart will have graduated and Young figures to be the preliminary Heisman contender. Adrian Peterson signifigantly underperformed this year so he will may not pose much of a challenge. I think it makes more sense for VY to stay in college an extra year.

tulexan
12-29-2005, 11:35 PM
I believe it is the ADT trophy now. And this game is being heralded as one of the best national championships in several years. People forget that last year was the exact same situation with Oklahoma.

Tulip
12-29-2005, 11:38 PM
People forget that last year was the exact same situation with Oklahoma.

Except that Texas has more talent than Oklahoma did last year and arguably has more talent than USC this year.

MorKnolle
12-29-2005, 11:46 PM
Except that Texas has more talent than Oklahoma did last year and arguably has more talent than USC this year.

I'm not sure I could say Texas has more talent than Oklahoma did last year and I haven't seen evidence yet that Texas is more talented than USC, but we'll find out on Wednesday.

Huge
12-30-2005, 12:22 AM
Justin Blalock is another he may have to worry about losing.

tulexan
12-30-2005, 12:26 AM
How does Texas have more talent than Oklahoma did?

They had a Heisman winning quarterback. Regardless if he was a bust in the NFL, he was still a great college quarterback.

They had the best running back in college football last year. He was also a Heisman finalist.

They had a first round pick wide receiver.

They had a great offensive line.

They had one of the best punt returners in college football.

They had a pretty good defense. Remember they shut out Texas last year?


Now on to USC...

They have a Heisman winning quarterback

They have a Heisman winning running back

They have another running back who had 20 touchdowns

They have not one, but 2 great receivers

They have one of the top tight ends in college football

They have a great offensive line

Huge
12-30-2005, 12:38 AM
Texas has a better secondary.
Texas has a better QB.
Texas has a better OL.
Texas has a better TE.
Texas has better depth.

That's how they have more talent this year than Oklahoma had last year.

YoungTexanFan
12-30-2005, 12:49 AM
Texas has a better secondary.
Texas has a better QB.
Texas has a better OL.
Texas has a better TE.
Texas has better depth.

That's how they have more talent this year than Oklahoma had last year.

I'm fairly indifferent twoards either side.

My unbiased oppinion:

USC has a better QB
USC has a better RB combo
O-line is even
USC has a better TE
USC has better WR's
USC has depth like you would not believe.
USC has a top tier return man
USC has the better punter and place kicker (field position battle)
Texas has a better secondary
Neither side really has any standout LB's.
Texas has the better D-line
USC has the better coach
USC has more offensive weapons (Choices)
Texas has the ball in their "playmaker's" hands every snap
USC's "playmaker" touches it under 20 times per game.

that is my quick evaluation for those still not completly familiar or looking for an outsiders opinion. I like neither Texas or USC, but recognize their talent.

Huge
12-30-2005, 01:01 AM
To be clear, my "evaluation" was a comparison of '05 Texas and '04 Oklahoma.

MorKnolle
12-30-2005, 10:13 AM
Texas has a better secondary.
Texas has a better QB.
Texas has a better OL.
Texas has a better TE.
Texas has better depth.

That's how they have more talent this year than Oklahoma had last year.

OU-UT comparisons:
Not sure about the secondaries of the two schools.
Jason White was a better college QB than Vince Young, look at the stats between the two if you want.
OU had a pretty stout OL last year, one 1st rounder from last year and another that will be an early 2nd rounder this year plus other solid ones as well.
UT's TE is probably better.
I don't think Texas has any better depth than Oklahoma did last year, plus OU's defense was probably better.

OU's draft picks in '05 draft:
Jamaal Brown, OT, Rd.1 #13 (#13) New Orleans
Mark Clayton, WR, Rd. 1 #22 (#22) Baltimore
Brodney Pool, FS, Rd. 2 #2 (#34) Cleveland
Mark Bradley, WR, Rd. 2 #7 (#39) Chicago
Dan Cody, DE, Rd. 2 #21 (#53) Baltimore
Brandon Jones, WR, Rd. 3 #33 (#96) Tennessee
Antonio Perkins, CB, Rd. 4 #2 (#103) Cleveland
Donte Nicholson, SS, Rd. 5 #5 (#141) Tampa Bay
Michael Hawkins, FS, Rd. 5 #31 (#167) Green Bay
Lance Mitchell, ILB, Rd. 5 #32 (#168) Arizona
Wes Sims, OG, Rd. 6 #3 (#177) San Diego
That's 11 draft picks from last year, six in the first day of the draft, not to mention Heisman winner Jason White at QB, Adrian Peterson (will be a stud in the NFL in two years) and KeJuan Jones at RB, Dusty Dvoracek at DT (should make the NFL as a mid rounder), and Davin Joseph (likely be a 2nd round pick this year), plus any others that are receiving NFL attention.

MorKnolle
12-30-2005, 10:18 AM
Just an FYI on QB comparisons:

Vince Young '05:182/285-63.9%-2769-26/10
Jason White '04:278/390-65.4%-3205-35/9

White had a higher completion percentage and a much better TD/INT ratio, not to mention the year before (White's Heisman season) he had another 40TD/10INTs, so you can't say Young is a better college QB than Jason White. Unlike White, I think Young will be a good NFL player, but in terms of college QBs and their ability to run their respective teams I'd have to give the nod to Jason White if anything.

The Preacher
12-30-2005, 10:42 AM
USC's defense lost some guys to the pros and got lit up by Fresno. If Texas has any resemblance of a D they should win. If I were a gambling man I would take those points in a heartbeat.

Interesting fact the SEC has six teams in the top twenty in scoring defense.
The Pac 10 has zero.
The Big 12 has one-Texas

You think that skews their stats?

The Pac 10 plays five bowl games. Three are over with one TD wins over #43Rutgers and #51 BYU. Tough bowl schedule there but their record won't show the cupcakes.

The Big 12 has played well with half their bowl schedule over even though the SEC is yet to play a game.

Yeah I'm an SEC guy but don't worry about humility I'm a Vol and Texans fan.

Just saying these two conferences haven't really put up much of a test for either USC or Texas and these two schools are hardly as elite as they're hyped to be. Just two good teams from weak conferences that don't play defense.

Happy New Year

Huge
12-30-2005, 10:57 AM
OU-UT comparisons:
Not sure about the secondaries of the two schools.
Jason White was a better college QB than Vince Young, look at the stats between the two if you want.
OU had a pretty stout OL last year, one 1st rounder from last year and another that will be an early 2nd rounder this year plus other solid ones as well.
UT's TE is probably better.
I don't think Texas has any better depth than Oklahoma did last year, plus OU's defense was probably better.
The difference between the two secondaries is the largest gap of any of the areas I mentioned.

Jerome Harrison (Washington State) had more yards and more TDs than Reggie Bush. Does this make Harrison the better college RB? They even played in the PAC-10 together so their competion was very similar.

OU's OL was pretty stout but Texas' is still better.
Blalock = Jamaal Brown
Scott = Joseph
Allen > any Sooner
Studdard > any Sooner
Sendlein = any Sooner

I actually think the TEs would be pretty close.

As far as their depth, look at how average Oklahoma is this year. The "depth" that they had last year is what is playing this year. And this year they've had their heads kicked in quite a bit.

Just an FYI on QB comparisons:

Vince Young '05:182/285-63.9%-2769-26/10
Jason White '04:278/390-65.4%-3205-35/9

White had a higher completion percentage and a much better TD/INT ratio, not to mention the year before (White's Heisman season) he had another 40TD/10INTs, so you can't say Young is a better college QB than Jason White. Unlike White, I think Young will be a good NFL player, but in terms of college QBs and their ability to run their respective teams I'd have to give the nod to Jason White if anything.
See the Harrison/Bush statistical comparison again and then tell me I can't say Vince is a better college QB than White.

As for their ability to run their team, Vince could run OU's offense from last year and would put up similar numbers as White (especially with 4 NFL bound WRs). Think White could run Texas' offense this year and put up numbers like Vince?

Texas_Thrill
12-30-2005, 11:06 AM
I'd like to see him stay just to IMPROVE his abilities as a Passer. Holding a clipboard is great but playing is better. I really don't remember the last JUNIOR QB to come out and be successful.

Which to me shows those who stay longer and PLAY have better experience reading defenses and just throwing the ball. Not a sure thing but a better prospect for me.

I want to see him return and that way IF carr runs into an accident next year we can start over with him. :ok:

MorKnolle
12-30-2005, 11:07 AM
The point in comparing the two teams is that I think Jason White did as good of a job of running OU's offense last year as Vince Young is doing with UT this year, plus he was a Heisman winner and had played in a national championship game before and had all that added experience. As for the OL comparison:

Blalock = Jamaal Brown
Scott = Joseph
Allen > any Sooner
Studdard > any Sooner
Sendlein = any Sooner


Scott and Joseph are probably pretty even, but I don't think Blalock is as good as Jamaal Brown, Brown was the first OL taken in last year's draft at #13, and I haven't heard Blalock being mentioned as that good. As for the others, I haven't seen enough games of OU last year or UT this year and paid enough attention to them to make a good comparison.

tulexan
12-30-2005, 11:12 AM
Unfortunately you are wrong.

Jerome Harrison has 17 total touchdowns. Reggie Bush has 18 total touchdowns. Jerome Harrison averaged 191.5 all purpose yards per game for 2106 total yards for the season. Reggie Bush averaged 217.6 all purpose yards per game for 2611 total yards for the season. Jerome Harrison averaged 6.2 yards per carry. Reggie Bush averaged 8.9 yards per carry.

Jerome Harrison didn't have a statistically better season than Reggie Bush.

Huge
12-30-2005, 11:13 AM
I'll just say I think the Rose Bowl will be a lot closer than 55-19.

Huge
12-30-2005, 11:19 AM
Unfortunately you are wrong.

Jerome Harrison has 17 total touchdowns. Reggie Bush has 18 total touchdowns. Jerome Harrison averaged 191.5 all purpose yards per game for 2106 total yards for the season. Reggie Bush averaged 217.6 all purpose yards per game for 2611 total yards for the season. Jerome Harrison averaged 6.2 yards per carry. Reggie Bush averaged 8.9 yards per carry.

Jerome Harrison didn't have a statistically better season than Reggie Bush.
Unfortuately you're including Bush's KO/Punt return yards when you're discussing "all purpose" yards which has nothing to do with being a RB.

And I ask this question in a previous thread and wasn't surprised that it was ignored: If Williams and Bush swapped teams where Bush was the focal point in Memphis and Williams had the luxury of talent that would take off pressure, do you think their stats would swap as well?

Do I think Bush is a better "player" than Williams? Yep. But he's not the better RB.

Statistically, Cody Hodges had a much better year than Matt Leinart...
Cody Hodges - 4,042 yards, 30 TDs
Leinart - 3,450 yards, 27 TDs

Does this mean Hodges was the better QB?

tulexan
12-30-2005, 11:28 AM
Cody Hodges plays in a gimmick offense.

You include return yards because they have them. That is what makes Reggie Bush so dangerous is that he is very versatile. This is what I and a lot of other people on this board have been trying to explain for the past few weeks. He isn't just a running back, he is an offensive playmaker.

Coach C.
12-30-2005, 11:45 AM
Reggie Bush will be getting 50+ million bucks. I doubt you see him on many returns. He will get his touches similar to how the Rams used Marshal Faulk or how the Buccaneers used Warrick Dunn early in his career.

Huge
12-30-2005, 11:57 AM
Cody Hodges plays in a gimmick offense.

You include return yards because they have them. That is what makes Reggie Bush so dangerous is that he is very versatile. This is what I and a lot of other people on this board have been trying to explain for the past few weeks. He isn't just a running back, he is an offensive playmaker.
What difference does it make what system they're in if you're going to include all the yards "because they have them"?

Some might say Hodges' system allows him to put up superior numbers. Is that any different than saying Bush's return yards allows him to put up superior all purpose numbers?

I simply said Williams was the best RB in the draft. I fail to see what KO/Punt return yards has to do with that.

run-david-run
12-30-2005, 03:13 PM
I'm fairly indifferent twoards either side.

My unbiased oppinion:

USC has a better QB
USC has a better RB combo
O-line is even
USC has a better TE
USC has better WR's
USC has depth like you would not believe.
USC has a top tier return man
USC has the better punter and place kicker (field position battle)
Texas has a better secondary
Neither side really has any standout LB's.
Texas has the better D-line
USC has the better coach
USC has more offensive weapons (Choices)
Texas has the ball in their "playmaker's" hands every snap
USC's "playmaker" touches it under 20 times per game.

that is my quick evaluation for those still not completly familiar or looking for an outsiders opinion. I like neither Texas or USC, but recognize their talent.
Overall Vince is better then Leinart, esspecially in the Texas offense.
Counting Vince, Texas' running game is more productive.
Dave Thomas is used a lot more then Byrd
USC does have better receivers, but UT's are underrated
Reggie is averaging a whole 15 yds per return, one of the lowest averages in college football, really top tier... Aaron Ross is one of the top return men in football, esspecially punts.
This game WILL NOT be a field position battle, field goals will lose the game, not win them
Secondary is better for UT.
I think UT's linebackers are better, Aaron Harris is pretty good, plus the better D-line makes them more effective.
Carroll has experiance here, I'll give you that one
Sometimes a lot of options is a bad thing. Give me Vince having a chance to make a play on every snap, Reggie will only touch the ball about 15-18 times...

This is a very good matchup, as you can probably see, Im a UT fan, going there next year, but it should not be anywhere as bad as the Ok/USC game last year.

Hook 'Em Horns

Blake
12-30-2005, 03:44 PM
Just an FYI on QB comparisons:

Vince Young '05:182/285-63.9%-2769-26/10
Jason White '04:278/390-65.4%-3205-35/9

White had a higher completion percentage and a much better TD/INT ratio, not to mention the year before (White's Heisman season) he had another 40TD/10INTs, so you can't say Young is a better college QB than Jason White. Unlike White, I think Young will be a good NFL player, but in terms of college QBs and their ability to run their respective teams I'd have to give the nod to Jason White if anything.

Thats the thing, right there. White was one dimensional, while Young is not. You cant compare these 2 QB's, and not talk about Vince's yards, and TD's on the ground.

Vince wont stand in once place all game for USC to pin their ears back and blitz all game.

BattleRedGuy
12-31-2005, 12:16 PM
Back to the original question.

Tom Hicks will make sure Vincent Young is back next year:)

CowboysTexansFan
12-31-2005, 12:29 PM
I'm not a fan of either UT or USC, but I generally agree with YoungTexanFan's analysis.

NO WAY is Young better than Leinert at QB. Young is clearly a better athlete, but Leinert is far superior as a passer. Young should stay in college to refine his passing skills, which need a lot of work. To those who'd want Young to be drafted by the Texans, I say--NO FRICKIN' WAY!!!

Bush and White are going to run all over UT.

USC wins a blowout.

beerlover
12-31-2005, 01:02 PM
I'm not a fan of UT or Texas but how can you say its going to be a blowout? USC needed a miracle to beat ND & have come out flat in the 1st half all season & never played a team close to the caliber of UT. As a matter of fact I'll go out on a limb and predict that USC forges a hole so deep that this time they won't be able to climb out of it :goodnight

Huge
12-31-2005, 02:18 PM
I'm not a fan of either UT or USC, but I generally agree with YoungTexanFan's analysis.

NO WAY is Young better than Leinert at QB. Young is clearly a better athlete, but Leinert is far superior as a passer. Young should stay in college to refine his passing skills, which need a lot of work. To those who'd want Young to be drafted by the Texans, I say--NO FRICKIN' WAY!!!

Bush and White are going to run all over UT.

USC wins a blowout.
"Far superior" as a passer? In what aspect? Is his arm strength "far superior"? I disagree. Both have above average arms. Is his accuracy "far superior"? I disagree. Better accuracy but not by leaps and bounds.

But could you say Vince is a far superior runner? I would and wouldn't lose sleep over making that comment.

Remember, we're comparing college football QBs...not NFL prospect QBs. In that regards, Texas is every bit at least equal with USC in that department and better than what Oklahoma was last year.

Honoring Earl 34
12-31-2005, 03:49 PM
:twocents: I think it comes down to Pete Carroll has a Super Bowl ring as a Defensive Cordinator and was an NFL Head Coach . I think he'll expose Vince to why he's not ready for the NFL .

disaacks3
12-31-2005, 06:36 PM
Just an FYI on QB comparisons:

Vince Young '05:182/285-63.9%-2769-26/10
Jason White '04:278/390-65.4%-3205-35/9

White had a higher completion percentage and a much better TD/INT ratio, not to mention the year before (White's Heisman season) he had another 40TD/10INTs, so you can't say Young is a better college QB than Jason White. Unlike White, I think Young will be a good NFL player, but in terms of college QBs and their ability to run their respective teams I'd have to give the nod to Jason White if anything. I'm anything but a big Vince Young fan, but where are their rushing stats to compare?

Tulip
12-31-2005, 11:14 PM
I'm not sure how Leinhart could be a FAR SUPERIOR passer when Vince has the highest passer rating in the NCAA.

I wouldn't argue with someone saying that Leinhart is better. But "far superior" is a stretch.

BattleRedGuy
01-01-2006, 02:00 PM
I'm not sure how Leinhart could be a FAR SUPERIOR passer when Vince has the highest passer rating in the NCAA.
I wouldn't argue with someone saying that Leinhart is better. But "far superior" is a stretch.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&sort=rat&season=3&year=2005&group=80

I do not know if this includes bowl games.

Haams
01-01-2006, 02:17 PM
As far as Vince leaving...he's gone. I wish he would stay (and I think another year of college would be good for him) but the real hype will start on thursday. Let's not compare him to Leinart, let's compare him to a former #1 pick who plays a similar style named Mike Vick.

VINCE YOUNG 2005
Pass: 182-285 (63.9%) 2,769 yds 26 TD's 10 INT's
Rush: 850 yds (6.3 avg) 9 TD's

MICHAEL VICK 2000
Pass: 97-179 (54.2%) 1439 yds 9 TD's 7 INT's
Rush: 636 yds (5.6 avg) 9 TD's

The two things that don't even show up in the stats is that unlike Mike Vince is a big boy not prone to injury. Also, those stats of Vince's include him playing the 4th quarter of only 2 games this year.

As far as the game goes...
UT will win and I'll tell why.

#1: Vince Young's Legs. If you've watched any Texas football this season you've seen how focused Vince is on his passing. We've been blowing people out and he has the highest passer rating in the country, we couldn't afford to let him get hurt. Against USC we will pull out all the stops and look for Vince to have over 150 yards with his feet.

#2: Jamaal Charles. He is clearly the best running back on the team (among a whole crew of talented backs). I believe we have been not playing him on purpose because we didn't need to and we didn't want USC to get a good look at him. Look for Charles to get the bulk of the carries and go for well over 100 yards.

#3: The Texas defense. This is the real kicker. Our defense is hands down better than USC's. They're good enough that they'll score on us, but they will have to work at it. USC's defense doesn't have the potential to make us work as hard (and with our powerfull O-Line and strong running game I'm expecting the USC D to be pretty worn down when crunch time rolls around.)

#4: Special Teams. USC has Reggie Bush, how many kicks has he blocked? Our special teams get off to blocking kicks and they do it as well as anybody ever, we've got a few good return men also.

You heard it first here: TEXAS 66 USC 42

P.S. - In all the hype about USC's offense let's not forget that UT led the nation in scoring this season (and yes, by led the nation I mean they scored more points than USC.) In all the hype about Reggie Bush let's not forget that Texas was third in the nation in rushing yards while USC was 5th.

P.S.S. - Did you know that in 3 seasons Reggie Bush has not fumbled the ball? Wow.

Texans86
01-01-2006, 02:45 PM
As far as Vince leaving...he's gone. I wish he would stay (and I think another year of college would be good for him) but the real hype will start on thursday. Let's not compare him to Leinart, let's compare him to a former #1 pick who plays a similar style named Mike Vick.

VINCE YOUNG 2005
Pass: 182-285 (63.9%) 2,769 yds 26 TD's 10 INT's
Rush: 850 yds (6.3 avg) 9 TD's

MICHAEL VICK 2000
Pass: 97-179 (54.2%) 1439 yds 9 TD's 7 INT's
Rush: 636 yds (5.6 avg) 9 TD's

The two things that don't even show up in the stats is that unlike Mike Vince is a big boy not prone to injury. Also, those stats of Vince's include him playing the 4th quarter of only 2 games this year.

P.S. - In all the hype about USC's offense let's not forget that UT led the nation in scoring this season (and yes, by led the nation I mean they scored more points than USC.) In all the hype about Reggie Bush let's not forget that Texas was third in the nation in rushing yards while USC was 5th.

P.S.S. - Did you know that in 3 seasons Reggie Bush has not fumbled the ball? Wow.

And did you know that the only reason the Mike Vick did come out his Junior year is because the Texans said they would take him first in the draft the next season and make him their franchise quarterback. He didn't want to be a QB here. On a complete side note that has nothing to do with football, P.S. means post script, so P.S.S. is technically incorrect, it's P.P.S. for post-post script. Not criticizing, just pointing it out. It really means nothing.

Haams
01-01-2006, 02:50 PM
And did you know that the only reason the Mike Vick did come out his Junior year is because the Texans said they would take him first in the draft the next season and make him their franchise quarterback.

Actually I didn't know that. As far as technicalities go, he was a third year sophomore.:cool:

Tulip
01-01-2006, 08:37 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=pass&sort=rat&season=3&year=2005&group=80

I do not know if this includes bowl games.

It does. He had a 215.51 passer rating at the Insight Bowl. Vince Young had the highest passer rating before the bowl season started.

Huge
01-01-2006, 09:01 PM
Vince is more comparable to Randall Cunningham than Mike Vick.

PrivateG
01-02-2006, 04:29 AM
You have to remember Jason White had 5 or 6 years in the same offense and Vince was in a new offense this year. Plus everyone forgets that USC had a very good defense last year. Has anyone seen their defense this year. I havent. When you let teams like Arizona State score 28, Washington score 24, and Fresno State score 42. Many of these games were last minute wins. Or the other team choked it away. But this should be a very good game since its the #1 scoring team Vs the #2 scoring team
Team Offensive Leaders
TEAM G YDS YPG RUSH RYPG PASS PYPG PTS PTS/G
1. Texas 12 6203 516.9 3285 273.8 2816 234.7 611 50.9
2. USC 12 7054 587.8 3171 264.3 3792 316.0 600 50.0

And on defense
Team Overall DEFENSE Leaders
Team YDS YPG RUSH YDS RUSHYPG PASS YDS PASSYPG PTS PTS/GM
5. Texas 3367 280.6 1496 124.7 1871 155.9 175 14.6
27. USC 4136 344.7 1408 117.3 2728 227.3 256 21.3

These stats were found at http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/statsTeam

Should be the best game of the bowl season this year.

Hook Em Horns
Bush in 06

PrivateG
01-02-2006, 04:30 AM
You have to remember Jason White had 5 or 6 years in the same offense and Vince was in a new offense this year. Plus everyone forgets that USC had a very good defense last year. Has anyone seen their defense this year. I havent. When you let teams like Arizona State score 28, Washington score 24, and Fresno State score 42. Many of these games were last minute wins. Or the other team choked it away. But this should be a very good game since its the #1 scoring team Vs the #2 scoring team
Team Offensive Leaders
TEAM G YDS YPG RUSH RYPG PASS PYPG PTS PTS/G
1. Texas 12 6203 516.9 3285 273.8 2816 234.7 611 50.9
2. USC 12 7054 587.8 3171 264.3 3792 316.0 600 50.0

And on defense
Team Overall DEFENSE Leaders
Team YDS YPG RUSH YDS RUSHYPG PASS YDS PASSYPG PTS PTS/GM
5. Texas 3367 280.6 1496 124.7 1871 155.9 175 14.6
27. USC 4136 344.7 1408 117.3 2728 227.3 256 21.3

These stats were found at http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/statsTeam

Should be the best game of the bowl season this year.

Hook Em Horns
Bush in 06

CenTexNative
01-03-2006, 02:42 PM
All this talk about Vince Young leaving is funny to me. There has been nothing said by Vince Young, his family, UT Athletics or the local, Austin, news media indicating that Vince will be leaving. So until I hear something definate The only thing I wish for Vince Young is a win in the Rose Bowl. I'll wait and see what he has to say AFTER the game. Y'all can have fun hemming and hawing about it all y'all want. laters......

MorKnolle
01-03-2006, 03:27 PM
Vince's family had actually been talking with agents some, but that is about all that has been said about him coming out. If UT wins tomorrow I wouldn't be surprised if he comes out, but I still expect him to stay in school either way.

CenTexNative
01-03-2006, 05:00 PM
USC will beat Texas. Sorry to all of you fellow in-staters, but this one is going to the visiting team.
And that they might. IT still should not take away from the heck of a season the Horns have had. But IF...big IF..I were a betting man, I would put my $$$ on the Horns. usc has nto faced a defense like that of TEXAS. And as far as I am concerned it's defense that wins big games.

Huge
01-03-2006, 06:52 PM
USC will beat Texas. Sorry to all of you fellow in-staters, but this one is going to the visiting team.
You're half-right (Texas is the visiting team). :)

Grid
01-03-2006, 07:00 PM
I think Lienart's stock will slide a bit before the draft. If Vince Young entered the draft.. he would probably end up going #2 overall.

Course.. that means he would be going to the Saints.. so staying at Texas may be a better idea.