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Huge
12-28-2005, 09:56 PM
What's the point of this?

I'll give you an example of why I ask: I'm watching the Alamo Bowl between Nebraska and Michigan (though this happens on the NFL as well) and the RB from Nebraska breaks off a pretty big run to the 19 yd line then takes a late hit out of bounds. The personal foul, normally a 15 yard penalty, is only marked off as "half the distance to the goal line" giving the Huskers 10 yards on the penalty. Next play, personal foul face mask...marked off 4 yards.

After back-to-back personal fouls, the Huskers are only given 14 yards in penalties in what would normally be 30 yards. Next play, Nebraska gets called for holding and is backed up 10 yards.

Why should Nebraska be punished because they were inside their 20 yd line? If it's a 15 yard penalty, why not spot the ball on the 5 yard line? After the 2nd personal foul, why not spot the ball on the 1?

Same thing with going the other way. If you committ a 10 yard penalty, why are you only backed up 5 just because you're on the 10? Why not move them back to the 1 yd line?

Okay...just had to get that off my chest. If anybody has a reasonable explanation, I'd love to hear it.

mexican_texan
12-29-2005, 01:15 AM
because you can't give a 15 yard penalty on the 14-yard line. Don't know why it starts at the 20, but think of it in the mind of the defense. Red Zone yards are the hardest to get, anyway. Great game, by the way. Even though the only player I thought I knew from Nebraska was Brian Calhoun. And he plays for Wisconsin.

Huge
12-29-2005, 06:56 AM
But if you're on the 14, why does a penalty that would normally be 15 yards become a 7 yard penalty? Why not permit the maximum allowable yards for the penalty (in this example, 13 yards putting the ball on the 1)?

MorKnolle
12-29-2005, 11:59 AM
I understand why defensive penalties are half the distance, but I have wondered why offensive penalties aren't double the distance from the goal rather than their normal amounts (i.e. an offensive holding call on the 6 yard line only moves it back to the 12 rather than to the 16) to counteract the diminishing defensive penalties. The current system does seem to favor the defense. Oh well, I guess that's just what the creators of football decided it should be.

NinerPheen
12-29-2005, 01:16 PM
Yeah, thats a retarded rule. If your on Defense and the other team is on the 4 with 1st and goal, you might as well kick someone in the head on the next play, or flat out tackle him by his face mask. You can hurt the other team as much as you want and you wont lose more than a yard or two. 15 yard personal fouls that are comitted inside the 10 should be automatic TD's, otherwise theres no real punishment. And Personal fouls from outside 10 should either mark off the alloted yardage or take it to the one. First and goal from the 4 aint much different than first and goal from the 2. And its totally worth it when you can do whatever you want to the other team. This should only be for personal fouls though, you cant give TD's for encroachment.

mexican_texan
12-29-2005, 02:02 PM
remember, the forward pass used to be illegal. some rules are newer than you think. Right now, the only rules that should be changed is the one that ejects you and gives you a $15,000 fine: touching the ref. And the NFL overtime rules should be like the college football OT.

MorKnolle
12-29-2005, 03:35 PM
remember, the forward pass used to be illegal. some rules are newer than you think. Right now, the only rules that should be changed is the one that ejects you and gives you a $15,000 fine: touching the ref. And the NFL overtime rules should be like the college football OT.

I would like to see some system in the NFL of giving both teams a chance to score in OT, but starting teams on the 35 yard line each time (like they do in college) would be too easy in the NFL. I'd maybe change it so if the team receiving the kickoff scores, the other team has a chance to score as well and tie/win the game, at least for the first time, but once both teams have a full possession, the first team to score and break the tie wins. I doubt anything like that will ever be implemented into the NFL.

Speedy
12-29-2005, 08:02 PM
What's the point of this?

I'll give you an example of why I ask: I'm watching the Alamo Bowl between Nebraska and Michigan (though this happens on the NFL as well) and the RB from Nebraska breaks off a pretty big run to the 19 yd line then takes a late hit out of bounds. The personal foul, normally a 15 yard penalty, is only marked off as "half the distance to the goal line" giving the Huskers 10 yards on the penalty. Next play, personal foul face mask...marked off 4 yards.

After back-to-back personal fouls, the Huskers are only given 14 yards in penalties in what would normally be 30 yards. Next play, Nebraska gets called for holding and is backed up 10 yards.

Why should Nebraska be punished because they were inside their 20 yd line? If it's a 15 yard penalty, why not spot the ball on the 5 yard line? After the 2nd personal foul, why not spot the ball on the 1?

Same thing with going the other way. If you committ a 10 yard penalty, why are you only backed up 5 just because you're on the 10? Why not move them back to the 1 yd line?

Okay...just had to get that off my chest. If anybody has a reasonable explanation, I'd love to hear it.That actually makes a lot of sense, Huge. At least for personal fouls anyway. You commit a PF inside the 20, automatic 1st and goal at the 5. Commit it inside the 10, 1st and goal at the 1. But for the 5 and 10 yard non personal foul penalties, I think they should just stay with half the distance.