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HomeBred_Texan
12-26-2005, 03:19 PM
If anyone is interested, this kid is an awesome running back as far as production goes. He is on TV, ESPN now playing Akron. He has No O-Line to run behind, sound familiar? But has put up some extreme numbers. He is projected a first round draft pick in this year's draft...

sprtsfanatic
12-26-2005, 03:52 PM
If anyone is interested, this kid is an awesome running back as far as production goes. He is on TV, ESPN now playing Akron. He has No O-Line to run behind, sound familiar? But has put up some extreme numbers. He is projected a first round draft pick in this year's draft...

Not very impressive thus far....been watching the game from the start...not much to write home about in any case.:tv:

Huge
12-26-2005, 04:02 PM
Best RB in the draft.

Holden135
12-26-2005, 04:53 PM
He is not the best RB in the draft. The level of competition he has ran against is very minimal. Im not saying he isn't a first rounder i just don't think he is the best in the draft.

Bubbajwp
12-26-2005, 04:59 PM
He is not the best RB in the draft. The level of competition he has ran against is very minimal. Im not saying he isn't a first rounder i just don't think he is the best in the draft.
His team is not very talented either.

YoungTexanFan
12-26-2005, 04:59 PM
He is not the best RB in the draft. The level of competition he has ran against is very minimal. Im not saying he isn't a first rounder i just don't think he is the best in the draft.


Maroney is the best back available.

Huge
12-26-2005, 05:03 PM
He is not the best RB in the draft. The level of competition he has ran against is very minimal. Im not saying he isn't a first rounder i just don't think he is the best in the draft.
So if you put Reggie Bush on Memphis' team, his numbers would be that much better than what Williams has done? Keep in mind Williams is coming up on the NCAA record for most career 100 yard games.

Huge
12-26-2005, 05:04 PM
And speaking of "minimal competition", have you seen the rush defenses that Bush has played against this year?

YoungTexanFan
12-26-2005, 05:08 PM
And speaking of "minimal competition", have you seen the rush defenses that Bush has played against this year?

Amen!! :tv:

beerlover
12-26-2005, 05:51 PM
DeAngelo is the best senior RB in the draft. I'll reserve final judgement until all the eligible prospects have declared their intentions:twocents:

rmartin65
12-26-2005, 06:01 PM
He is a good back.

Goldeagle
12-26-2005, 06:18 PM
Just another back we DONT need to draft

nunusguy
12-26-2005, 06:45 PM
Best RB in the draft.
He may very well be. With that big West Coast PR machine out in LA going 24/7 for RB, a dang good RB could get lost in the blizzard of hype coming
from out West.
But on the subject of RBs in the Draft, the guy on 610 said this morning we should draft Bush because he could break long runs that DD couldn't. Jeez,
you don't have to expend the #1 overall in the NFL college Draft to get a
RB with break-away speed, just have to do a little scouting. Look at Willie Parker, the guy the Steelers brought down here this past fall as their main RB. He is really fast, true break away threat and was signed by the Steelers last year as an undrafted FA out of college. They are out there, just gotta dig for them.

MorKnolle
12-26-2005, 08:41 PM
I think DeAngelo Williams is the best pure RB in the draft, Bush probably has higher overall potential and is a better athlete, but Williams is a better pure RB, and he is built more like a prototypical NFL RB (listed as 5-10, 217 lbs). He now owns the NCAA career record with 34 games of 100+ yards, and I thought I heard earlier in the week that he holds the career record for total yards from scrimmage (not sure on this one but I think I remember hearing that).

SESupergenius
12-26-2005, 11:59 PM
DeAngelo Williams is a workhorse and is the best everydown back in college football. I like players that come from these types of schools and excel, ala LT and Marshall Faulk. I think he belongs in that class. Please Casserly take your head out of your ***** and trade down for this pick and get some needed talent at other positions with your extra picks.

Scooter
12-27-2005, 12:15 AM
probably the best NFL running back in the draft.

YoungTexanFan
12-27-2005, 12:24 AM
probably the best NFL running back in the draft.

quite possible, but maroney and white will give him a run for best "overall RB"

Scooter
12-27-2005, 01:03 AM
quite possible, but maroney and white will give him a run for best "overall RB"

brutal honesty (which most will see as insanity), i'm not overly impressed by either USC running back. white i think has the most potential in the pro's because i see him as a DD type back. not necessarily having breakaway speed, but the ability to break arm tackles and carry defenders ... he'd probably excell on teams like pittsburgh, new england, houston, etc. where as bush can make the secondary miss but bit takes impeccable blocking from USC's linemen to get to the outside (nobody ... but NOBODY does this perfectly against pro defenses ... the closest is KC & Denver). the contingent that i maintain makes these two guys is a stellar offense and a stupidly perfect front 6. both have serious potential because of their physical gifts at the Pro level, but i'm taking a wait & see approach.

maroney i havent seen, so i cant comment either way on him.

Texas_Thrill
12-27-2005, 08:38 AM
Yea well what's the word on White? Is he coming out or not?

Williams is a good back with exceptional vision. He's also a pretty good receiver. He does have the break-away speed. Though I'm not sure we trade back that far to pick up a rb if we have the #1 pick we might as well get bush.

Holden135
12-27-2005, 09:50 AM
Williams you have to remember is very injury prone. He missed a few games here and there throughout his career. He is kinda like Davis with his injuries, he doesn't break any bones or tear any ligaments but he will miss a few games. I think Maroney has the body and size to be an every down back in the nfl. I also think Maroney's size and power will propel him to being a better rb than williams in the nfl because he will be able to get the tough yards that deangelo can't. I still think Deangelo will be a solid back, maybe like a warrick dunn.

SESupergenius
12-27-2005, 10:07 AM
I don't "dislike" Bush, I think he's going to be a very exciting back, we will know even more when he goes against a pretty decent defense. It's just that we might have an opportunity to trade down and pick up additional picks and still recieve a quality back. Those additional picks would help heal the wounds from our previous 2 drafts where we traded away valuable picks and recieved no depth. Casserly/Capers biggest flaw in the draft plan was that they shot for playmakers but if one of the playmakers goes down, that's like 3 people going down with the lost draft picks. In this scenario at least we could make up some of last years 2nd and 3rd round giveaways by negotiating a trade down for someone that really wants Bush or Lienart.

It all may end up that we get the 5th pick anyways if we beat the 49rs, which I think is going to happen. So with the 5th pick we's better get D'Brick or Williams.

El Tejano
12-27-2005, 10:37 AM
I don't "dislike" Bush, I think he's going to be a very exciting back, we will know even more when he goes against a pretty decent defense. It's just that we might have an opportunity to trade down and pick up additional picks and still recieve a quality back. Those additional picks would help heal the wounds from our previous 2 drafts where we traded away valuable picks and recieved no depth. Casserly/Capers biggest flaw in the draft plan was that they shot for playmakers but if one of the playmakers goes down, that's like 3 people going down with the lost draft picks. In this scenario at least we could make up some of last years 2nd and 3rd round giveaways by negotiating a trade down for someone that really wants Bush or Lienart.

It all may end up that we get the 5th pick anyways if we beat the 49rs, which I think is going to happen. So with the 5th pick we's better get D'Brick or Williams.
I agree with this as I don't think many people will be wanting to negotiate if we don't get #1 or #2. But say we get the #2 then we can trade down and get perhaps another #1 and get Deangelo Williams. Get our stud OL with the first #1 and then DWill with the second #1.

DWill has the speed to bust it. He is like a JWells with more speed. He certainly would make for a powerful one two combo with DD. I think DD would play harder but wouldn't mind it as long as we win football games.

Or what the heck, lets make sure Morency is good too.

beerlover
12-27-2005, 10:43 AM
Those additional picks would help heal the wounds from our previous 2 drafts where we traded away valuable picks and recieved no depth. Casserly/Capers biggest flaw in the draft plan was that they shot for playmakers but if one of the playmakers goes down, that's like 3 people going down with the lost draft picks. In this scenario at least we could make up some of last years 2nd and 3rd round giveaways by negotiating a trade down for someone that really wants Bush or Lienart.

you bring up another interesting point. I guess besides trading away valuable picks for projected playmakers (Boseli, Babin & Buchanon)we assisted theJaguars (divisional foe) along with the Titans to rebuild from poor cap management (the Raiders we just gave them two high picks to rebuild a terrible defense that we have to play once a year).

Hervoyel
12-27-2005, 10:48 AM
I don't "dislike" Bush, I think he's going to be a very exciting back, we will know even more when he goes against a pretty decent defense. It's just that we might have an opportunity to trade down and pick up additional picks and still recieve a quality back. Those additional picks would help heal the wounds from our previous 2 drafts where we traded away valuable picks and recieved no depth. Casserly/Capers biggest flaw in the draft plan was that they shot for playmakers but if one of the playmakers goes down, that's like 3 people going down with the lost draft picks. In this scenario at least we could make up some of last years 2nd and 3rd round giveaways by negotiating a trade down for someone that really wants Bush or Lienart.

It all may end up that we get the 5th pick anyways if we beat the 49rs, which I think is going to happen. So with the 5th pick we's better get D'Brick or Williams.

That might very well be the best way I've seen "your side" (nothing more than lack of a better term meant by that) state that position to date. That was very concise and you said your piece without coming across with an "If you don't agree with me then you're stupid" tone which too many of us (on both sides) have had for the past couple of weeks.

I'd like to say that I don't "dislike" the idea of trading down and getting more picks and I am looking forward to seeing Bush run against another good defense when they play Texas. It's simply not possible to know too much about this guy if there's a chance we may take him with the top pick and he's run against too few really good defenses IMO. It's fine to be excited about what he can do (I know I am) but I'd be more comfortable taking him #1 with some more evidence. Can't have too much of that.

On the trade down I have seen several really interesting ideas posted here. I don't know how many of them are practical but I think that the top pick could bring us additional and significant help. I would not be even a little bit sad to see us pass on Bush if I felt confident that we got true value for him. I confess my biggest concern about holding the top pick is that there's a chance (right now at least) that the same guy (Casserly) who made all those bad deals before might be the one "wheeling and dealing" our #1 overall pick and that we may find ourselves watching Reggie Bush running wild for some other team while we wonder what in the hell Casserly was thinking when he used the picks he got on some more questionable players.

I just mostly want to know that the picks will be used wisely. I realize there's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft but man, it's not asking too much I think to want our GM to just go make some straightforward picks that make sense to more people than just himself. It's almost like I want them to take Bush because I think it would be harder for Casserly to screw that up than whatever sleight of hand the fool might try to pull. He seems to outsmart himself as often (or more) than he does anyone else.

Once we get past this last game, know where we draft, and see what's happening with our GM and coaches then I'll have a better idea how I'm going to feel about this draft. If Casserly is gone or at least has someone else who's input equals his in the draft then I'd feel much safer about trading Bush's rights. For me at least it's about not trusting our front office to do this right.

MorKnolle
12-27-2005, 11:27 AM
I agree with this as I don't think many people will be wanting to negotiate if we don't get #1 or #2. But say we get the #2 then we can trade down and get perhaps another #1 and get Deangelo Williams. Get our stud OL with the first #1 and then DWill with the second #1.

DWill has the speed to bust it. He is like a JWells with more speed. He certainly would make for a powerful one two combo with DD. I think DD would play harder but wouldn't mind it as long as we win football games.

Or what the heck, lets make sure Morency is good too.

I think Davis and Morency will make a good RB tandem and Wells is there for short-yardage situations. I don't think our coaches currently use our RB trio well at all. DeAngelo is not like Wells, DeAngelo is 5-10 217 lbs., Wells is 6-1 255. Wells is a big, bruising back (I'd like him to be more of a bruiser and lower his shoulder and pound thru people more often). I see Williams as a RB much like Morency with a little more speed and a little more willing to hit the holes hard rather than dancing around like Morency does, but Davis, Morency, and Williams are all similar RBs. I also don't see us being able to trade down and pick up two very high 1st round picks to get our top OL and DeAngelo, as he will probably be a top 5-10 pick and we will likely need to take our OL in that range too, and I don't see any way we can get two top 10 picks. I'm not sure I'd draft Williams anyways, he should be a great RB but I see him as another RB very similar to the ones we already have and therefore is not at all a necessary addition to the team.

El Tejano
12-27-2005, 03:28 PM
The way I see it is if we can draft somebody that means Tony Hollings gone, I am all for it.

MorKnolle
12-27-2005, 04:36 PM
The way I see it is if we can draft somebody that means Tony Hollings gone, I am all for it.

That is hardly a reason to spend the #1 overall pick and $50 million on Reggie Bush or trade down and use a #4-8 pick and $25-30 million on DeAngelo Williams, we could cut Hollings anyways or go out and find a 5th rounder to "replace" his very valuable role on the roster.

MikeMc
12-28-2005, 12:52 AM
Wow, and it took watching him on Nat'l TVfor you to realize I knew something about DeAngelo!

He reminds me so much of LT coming out of TCU. "Small" school RB tearing up the field, and all of the doubters saying he is too small and from a small school with bad comp.

If any of you really watched the Motor City Bowl, I think you saw the best RB in the draft. Anyone that carries the ball 300 times in college and still avg 6 ypc is a tough RB. Bush has yet to break 200 carries a season (90, 143, 187 carries in 03, 04, 05).

And as for DW, it's not the yards he is getting, it's how he is getting the yards.....tough running, inside & outside despite having an awful OL and 9 men in the box.

SESupergenius
12-28-2005, 10:03 AM
My aren't you high on yourself, I've been watching him for 2 seasons now, and actually he was on TV quite a bit this year. I wouldn't put him in the LT class but I totally agree with your assessment of him and him being the complete package. He may slide however when he goes to the combine because he's not a rediculously fast back, I think he was clocked somewhere in the 4.5 range. From what I've seen from him so far this year is that he is a workhorse that can take on a load and come back from injuries, which most backs will have when they carry that big of a load. He catches the ball out of the backfield well and runs either between the tackles or bounces it outside.

Kaiser Toro
12-28-2005, 10:27 AM
Deangelo is one of the top 3 backs in the draft this year. This has hardly been news all year.

MikeMc
12-28-2005, 11:38 AM
No, just that no one on here gave me any cred for explaining that DW is as good a back as RB. Most just had the idea that it is Reggie Bush or bust. I basically said, trade down...still get a great RB (if that is what the Texans do) and have some extra picks.

Yes, he is rather durable...came back from a broken leg at end of last season to reach back to back 1900+ yards rushing and 18 TDs.

mexican_texan
12-29-2005, 12:32 AM
He is better than Bush. I'm the one that thought Cedric Benson wasn't a good RB, and I'm a Longhorn fan. I know RBs .He can play with absolutely no run blocking. Bush has one of the best lines and the best blocking i have ever seen. Williams, unlike Bush, carries his team. Bush doesn't get the necessary carries, LenDale White gets them. Williams IS the Memphis Tigers. Bush is the most overrated player EVER. Still want him, though, as long as he keeps working out with LT.

MikeMc
12-29-2005, 09:54 AM
You still want Bush even though you just said he is the most overrated RB???

And you say you know RBs? Well why would you want the most overrated RB instead of the best RB?

How about, if the Texans are going to get a RB, they get the best fit for their system......DeAngelo Williams.... I mean Memphis had a poor OL (replaced 4 starters after 2004) and the Texans have a very poor OL. Bush would not know what happened if he came into this situation....he'd get clombered!

He would be no better than a change of pace RB (because he could not carry the ball more than 15 times w/o getting injured), and why pay $50mil for that...look at when SD got Michael Turner.....late rounds! I doubt they paid $500k for him!

tulexan
12-29-2005, 09:59 AM
Williams, unlike Bush, carries his team. Bush doesn't get the necessary carries

You must have missed the Notre Dame, Fresno State, and UCLA games.

mexican_texan
12-29-2005, 01:07 PM
You must have missed the Notre Dame, Fresno State, and UCLA games.
You must have not seen #21. He was the one breaking tackles, not going around them.

Bush is highly overrated, but any back that works out with LT has the work ethic and endurance to be a back in the NFL.

mexican_texan
12-29-2005, 01:07 PM
Yes, I wanted the Heisman to go to VY.

Bullpen Drew
12-29-2005, 03:55 PM
Best RB in the draft.

I wouldn't go that far, he wasn't a Heisman finalist...I don't think they played any top 25 teams?

MikeMc
12-29-2005, 04:53 PM
I used to work out with LT, should I be a NFL quality RB??

Please. Not every WR that "works out" with Jerry Rice amounted to much! Joe Horn is the only one I know that did........David Boston, remember him?

Jack Bauer
12-29-2005, 05:04 PM
Bush is highly overrated, but any back that works out with LT has the work ethic and endurance to be a back in the NFL.

Now that is what I call covering your bases. You are covered whether he succeeds or fails in the NFL.

He breaks many tackles, those of you saying Bush can't break tackles haven't been watching the same USC team I have.

stevo3883
12-29-2005, 05:08 PM
He is better than Bush. I'm the one that thought Cedric Benson wasn't a good RB, and I'm a Longhorn fan. I know RBs .He can play with absolutely no run blocking. Bush has one of the best lines and the best blocking i have ever seen. Williams, unlike Bush, carries his team. Bush doesn't get the necessary carries, LenDale White gets them. Williams IS the Memphis Tigers. Bush is the most overrated player EVER. Still want him, though, as long as he keeps working out with LT.

yeah, the #5 all time ncaa rusher, doak walker winner, and last years #4 pick isnt a good RB.

williams is better than bush too? White gets more important carries than bush?

im sorry. you dont know rb's. you don't know anything. please, just stop.

cuppacoffee
12-29-2005, 06:07 PM
The way I see it is if we can draft somebody that means Tony Hollings gone, I am all for it.

Why? When was Hollings ever given a chance? During preseason? I'm not saying if he is a good player or not, I just don't think he has been given a fair shake. We were told at the beginning of the season that Morency would be spelling Davis during the regular season games, thats fine, but why not Hollings? Then, was Morency really given a shot? I don't think so. Seems to me that Wells relieved Davis the most during the season. After four years this bunch still doesn't have a clue what Wells is/isn't?
Clusterfudge at running back, tight end, and Oline all season long. This is absolutely the most inept coaching staff in the history of pro football.
:twocents:

:coffee:

mexican_texan
12-29-2005, 10:12 PM
yeah, the #5 all time ncaa rusher, doak walker winner, and last years #4 pick isnt a good RB.

williams is better than bush too? White gets more important carries than bush?

im sorry. you dont know rb's. you don't know anything. please, just stop.
ask Young how good the o-line is

tulexan
12-29-2005, 10:18 PM
You must have not seen #21. He was the one breaking tackles, not going around them.

Bush is highly overrated, but any back that works out with LT has the work ethic and endurance to be a back in the NFL.

You must not have watched any of those games because it was Reggie Bush, not LenDale White who won those games for USC. What is the difference if someone runs around someone rather than through them? If they are still getting by defenders, does it make a difference? Is Jerome Bettis a better running back than Barry Sanders because he runs over people while Barry would be elusive and fake them out? This isn't Madden or NCAA 2006, you don't get points for breaking tackles. You get points for scoring touchdowns.

Huge
12-29-2005, 11:29 PM
I wouldn't go that far, he wasn't a Heisman finalist...I don't think they played any top 25 teams?
So now you have to be a Heisman finalist to be the best RB in the draft?

Eric Crouch won the Heisman. Did that make him a top QB prospect for the NFL?

This isn't Madden or NCAA 2006, you don't get points for breaking tackles. You get points for scoring touchdowns.
Whew, glad that's all cleared that up.

TDs:

Williams - 18
Bush - 15

tulexan
12-30-2005, 12:03 AM
So now you have to be a Heisman finalist to be the best RB in the draft?

Eric Crouch won the Heisman. Did that make him a top QB prospect for the NFL?


Whew, glad that's all cleared that up.

TDs:

Williams - 18
Bush - 15

Actually it is:

Williams: 19 (18 rushing 1 receiving)
Bush: 18 (15 rushing 2 receiving 1 return)

But Bush did it on almost 100 less touches

Huge
12-30-2005, 12:15 AM
Actually it is:

Williams: 19 (18 rushing 1 receiving)
Bush: 18 (15 rushing 2 receiving 1 return)

But Bush did it on almost 100 less touches
Okay, I see what you're saying...

Vince Young - 26 TD passes (285 attempts)
Matt Leinart - 27 TD passes (391 attempts)

So by your logic, Vince is a better QB than Leinart. Right?

Huge
12-30-2005, 12:20 AM
Also...

Bush - 187 rushes, 31 receptions, 23 KO returns, 18 punt returns = 259 touches
Williams - 309 rushes, 12 receptoins, 2 KO returns = 323 touches

323 - 259 = 64

64 = Almost 100?

MorKnolle
12-30-2005, 09:21 AM
So now you have to be a Heisman finalist to be the best RB in the draft?

Eric Crouch won the Heisman. Did that make him a top QB prospect for the NFL?


Whew, glad that's all cleared that up.

TDs:

Williams - 18
Bush - 15

Don't forget Jason White too.

Bullpen Drew
12-30-2005, 11:35 AM
Don't forget Jason White too.

But they are QB's not RB's!

mexican_texan
12-30-2005, 01:18 PM
You must not have watched any of those games because it was Reggie Bush, not LenDale White who won those games for USC. What is the difference if someone runs around someone rather than through them? If they are still getting by defenders, does it make a difference? Is Jerome Bettis a better running back than Barry Sanders because he runs over people while Barry would be elusive and fake them out? This isn't Madden or NCAA 2006, you don't get points for breaking tackles. You get points for scoring touchdowns.
I'm just trying to give LenDale White credit. Everybody thinks Reggie Bush is the premier RB, but LenDale White also has an important role in that offense. And who gives him credit.

As far as Cedric Benson, I think he's good, but not fourth overall pick good. I like Jamaal Charles better is all.

The Heisman does not go to the best player, but to the player with the best year. It just means a good year in college. Heismans mean nothing in the NFL.

cuppacoffee
12-30-2005, 03:21 PM
But they are QB's not RB's!

Did Ron Dayne win the Heisman?

mexican_texan
12-30-2005, 09:15 PM
Did Ron Dayne win the Heisman?
yes