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Wolf
12-24-2005, 06:25 PM
ok. I mean no disrespect to the 49ers (good win today) but this is about the only game that I feel the Texans should win if we show up.

Texans 24
49ers 20

Honch Delgado
12-24-2005, 06:45 PM
Frank Gore is pretty good and the SF defense is OK. If we don't get to Smith, I think we get the #1 outright.

MorKnolle
12-24-2005, 08:59 PM
Frank Gore is pretty good and the SF defense is OK. If we don't get to Smith, I think we get the #1 outright.

Gore is a decent RB but their OL isn't very good, and as for their defense they are 31st in scoring and 32nd in yards allowed, they have a couple decent players but their defense as a whole is the worst in the game. I haven't seen any of their games so I don't know how much of their problem is personnel vs. coaching/playcalling.

UGA
12-24-2005, 09:03 PM
We need to bench every player with a pulse. Bush is ours if we dont try to get cute in a meaningless game.

gg no re
12-24-2005, 09:14 PM
BUSH AND DRAFTS. DRAFTS AND BUSH. WOOO.

Seriously, drafting is a hot topic, and it's great to know that Bush has a hand in drafting policy.

Mr. Bush, the fate of the draft is in your hands. Make drafting a success. Make drafting a catastrophic success.

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 09:55 PM
Winning this game would set the organization back even further. It's a complete failure after 4 years and losing this draft pick could affect the rebuilding process by years.

Hervoyel
12-24-2005, 10:14 PM
Pretend this game has no draft implications. Pretend that this game with the 49ers means nothing. Just imagine that if we win we'll be .500 and if we lose we'll somehow magically be .500 (and then pretend that the same thing applies to the 49ers).

There's no way on earth we win this game. To begin with it's on the road. The Texans haven't won a game on the road since what? Last year in Jacksonville? Is that correct? So basically we're going to do something that we haven't done once all year long? I don't think that's very likely.

Second we're going to be facing the legendary Frank Gore and the equally intimidating Maurice Hicks. Those two accounted for a whopping 177 yards today versus St Louis and they're going to have a field day against us. If you don't think they're "legendary" then at least accept that they'll look like it against our defense.

Third the 49ers aren't playing for a coach who's going to be cleaning out his desk after the game ends and he gets back to his office. They're in year one of a rebuilding with this guy and they're not quitting on him. I'm not saying our guys are quitting on Dom Capers but I am saying that the 49ers are building something and our guys are well aware of the fact that we're about to tear down something. I don't think that's going to help their attitude on gameday.

Finally I might have some hope if we had ever, even once, won the last game of a season but we haven't. Last year we had a lot more to play for and we mailed it in. This year I bet we not only mail it in but we fail to put sufficient postage on it and it gets sent back.

There's no way we beat the 49ers this week. Reggie Bush, or the draft windfall he represents, whichever you prefer is ours when the final whistle blows next week.

bckey
12-24-2005, 10:42 PM
I sure hope you're right Herv.

disaacks3
12-24-2005, 10:49 PM
I bet we not only mail it in but we fail to put sufficient postage on it and it gets sent back.

:rofl: That's gotta be THE brutal quote of the week!

royce1054
12-25-2005, 05:23 AM
My prediction is that we will pick first and trade the pick to either SF, NYJ, GB, or Tenn. Take either Jimmy Williams CB Va Tech, AJ Hawk LB Ohio st, Chad Greenway OLB Iowa, Eric Winston OT Miami, or Dbrick OT Va Tech i think thats where he is from.

Then take the some of the picks we got and package 2 or 3 depending on trades and move back up into the late 1st round and select either Scott, Jean-Giles, Setterstrom, Huff, Dumerville maybe 1 or 2 more i cant think of right now.

then with 1st pick in the 2nd we take Setterstrom, or best TE available. Also depending on what our 1st & 2nd round pick is and what FA signings we have these can change.

THE ONLY WAY WE TAKE BUSH IS IF WE SIGN 1 OR 2 FA'S BEFORE THE DRAFT!!!! NO OTHER WAY MAKES ANY POSSIBLE SENSE. I MEAN COME ON. Lets be realistic here.

LBC_Justin
12-25-2005, 11:31 AM
My prediction is that we will pick first and trade the pick to either SF, NYJ, GB, or Tenn. Take either Jimmy Williams CB Va Tech, AJ Hawk LB Ohio st, Chad Greenway OLB Iowa, Eric Winston OT Miami, or Dbrick OT Va Tech i think thats where he is from.

Then take the some of the picks we got and package 2 or 3 depending on trades and move back up into the late 1st round and select either Scott, Jean-Giles, Setterstrom, Huff, Dumerville maybe 1 or 2 more i cant think of right now.

then with 1st pick in the 2nd we take Setterstrom, or best TE available. Also depending on what our 1st & 2nd round pick is and what FA signings we have these can change.

THE ONLY WAY WE TAKE BUSH IS IF WE SIGN 1 OR 2 FA'S BEFORE THE DRAFT!!!! NO OTHER WAY MAKES ANY POSSIBLE SENSE. I MEAN COME ON. Lets be realistic here.
You don't draft for need when there is an OVERWHELMING talented #1 pick. You take the talent.

If we get the #2-#4 pick maybe we trade down. But there is no way you pass up an opportunity to get Reggie Bush. The guy is going to be amazing and would be the Face of this franchise for the next few years. (you can't say that about anyone we trade down for.)

Double Barrel
12-25-2005, 11:36 AM
You do realize that Reggie Bush, for all his Hall of Fame Pro-Bowl talent, would be nothing behind our current o-line and offense, correct?

Dude is amazing talent and quite possibly the playmaker of the century, but football is a team sport, and we need 10 other solid players on the field to let him do his thing.

DRAMA
12-25-2005, 11:55 AM
You do realize that Reggie Bush, for all his Hall of Fame Pro-Bowl talent, would be nothing behind our current o-line and offense, correct?

I'm not sure if that's fair. DD does fine when he's in there, as does Wells. Our O-Line does an above average job of run blocking. A pure toss sweep with DD or Wells is in no way the same play as when Bush would run it, no matter what team he's playing for.

PapaL
12-25-2005, 12:27 PM
I predict that Alex Smith throws his first and second NFL TD's this week. Can we muster up more then 14 to win?

ATX
12-25-2005, 12:29 PM
I predict that Alex Smith throws his first and second NFL TD's this week. Can we muster up more then 14 to win?

I have no doubt Alex Smith will throw his first TD against our stellar defense.:crying:

Double Barrel
12-25-2005, 12:38 PM
I'm not sure if that's fair. DD does fine when he's in there, as does Wells. Our O-Line does an above average job of run blocking. A pure toss sweep with DD or Wells is in no way the same play as when Bush would run it, no matter what team he's playing for.

You're right, man. I didn't mean to diss DD or any of our RBs, as they have been one of the few bright spots on our team this year.

But for them, or Reggie, to be successful, we need a solid TE (that can catch and block), plus a dependable #2 WR. Our o-line has certainly been part of our problem, but they've shown some signs that we're not that far off if we just add some talent (not necessarily an overhaul).

New coaching can breath fire into a set of players. Add some talent to other positions, along with Bush, and we could be rebounding next year to great heights. I feel confident and optimistic that we have a lot of talent to worth with, and it just takes a new approach by a new coaching staff to turn this thing around.

Call me crazy, but I'm going to believe that way in spite of it. :)

sprtsfanatic
12-25-2005, 03:25 PM
You're right, man. I didn't mean to diss DD or any of our RBs, as they have been one of the few bright spots on our team this year.

But for them, or Reggie, to be successful, we need a solid TE (that can catch and block), plus a dependable #2 WR. Our o-line has certainly been part of our problem, but they've shown some signs that we're not that far off if we just add some talent (not necessarily an overhaul).

New coaching can breath fire into a set of players. Add some talent to other positions, along with Bush, and we could be rebounding next year to great heights. I feel confident and optimistic that we have a lot of talent to worth with, and it just takes a new approach by a new coaching staff to turn this thing around.

Call me crazy, but I'm going to believe that way in spite of it. :)

So if you agree that our OL is serviceable (not great but serviceable) and we all know that Bush has more talent than DD, and that all we need is a #2 wr, and a TE to finally do something in for this franchise....why not pick Bush witht the number 1 pick and I think Mathis will be our #2 next year...that leaves a TE to come in and do something, and some help on our OL with our other picks in the draft....what is sooo wrong with Bush at the 1 spot??

dat_boy_yec
12-25-2005, 03:31 PM
Call me crazy, but I'm going to believe that way in spite of it. :)

Your crazy, and so is I cuz I agree with you. I can actually hear next years announcers saying something like. "Can you believe the Texans almost passed on this talent." or "This Texans team may be in the playoffs." or "They won I can't believe the Texans have won again" dont take my dreams away pleaasseee they're all I have left right now.

dat_boy_yec
12-25-2005, 03:33 PM
So if you agree that our OL is serviceable (not great but serviceable) and we all know that Bush has more talent than DD, and that all we need is a #2 wr, and a TE to finally do something in for this franchise....why not pick Bush witht the number 1 pick and I think Mathis will be our #2 next year...that leaves a TE to come in and do something, and some help on our OL with our other picks in the draft....what is sooo wrong with Bush at the 1 spot??
I think he agreed with you, because he said add some talent, along with Bush. Personally though I would also love to see Bush in red white and blue

TexansTrueFan
12-25-2005, 03:57 PM
Winning this game would set the organization back even further. It's a complete failure after 4 years and losing this draft pick could affect the rebuilding process by years.


are you telling me we are in the "rebuilding" process of our franchise already,,,i know we had a bad year but i seriously doubt we are to that point.

edo783
12-25-2005, 03:58 PM
If we add a couple of SERIOUSE lineman in FA like the center from New Oleans and the Gaurd from Seatle (doubt this one will really be available) then I think we could draft Bush and then a tackle like Scott in the second. He is most likely a RT type and that means we are staying with/stuck (depends on your point of view) with Pitts at LT. The third has to be used for a TE IMO. Just look at how helpfull just a LITTLE out put was from a TE when Rivers caught a couple of passes. If we don't score some really good o-lineman (not just guys with a pulse) in FA we must trade out of it IMO to pick up lineman.

TexansTrueFan
12-25-2005, 04:01 PM
If we add a couple of SERIOUSE lineman in FA like the center from New Oleans and the Gaurd from Seatle (doubt this one will really be available) then I think we could draft Bush and then a tackle like Scott in the second. He is most likely a RT type and that means we are staying with/stuck (depends on your point of view) with Pitts at LT. The third has to be used for a TE IMO. Just look at how helpfull just a LITTLE out put was from a TE when Rivers caught a couple of passes. If we don't score some really good o-lineman (not just guys with a pulse) in FA we must trade out of it IMO to pick up lineman.


agreed, but i am still a D.D fan and also feel that getting more picks in the draft would be better than getting Bush.

real
12-25-2005, 04:01 PM
Why do we have to trade out of it? our problems won't be fixed in one year so why not take a great talent like bush? We can get lineman anytime...

TexansTrueFan
12-25-2005, 04:05 PM
Why do we have to trade out of it? our problems won't be fixed in one year so why not take a great talent like bush? We can get lineman anytime...


oh yeah we can get linemen anytime, thats why we have Orlando Pace right :bomb:. Come on only decent Linemen we have is Chester Pitts, and i dont want to see carr killed before we finally piece together a line, they need do work on it MAJORLY this year, and forget bush.

Jack Bauer
12-25-2005, 04:47 PM
oh yeah we can get linemen anytime, thats why we have Orlando Pace right :bomb:. Come on only decent Linemen we have is Chester Pitts, and i dont want to see carr killed before we finally piece together a line, they need do work on it MAJORLY this year, and forget bush.

What is being said is that we don't HAVE to get an OL in the first round. Many very good offensive lines in the NFL have 3rd rounders to 5th rounders anchoring the line. We just need to focus on the OL after the first round.

Hervoyel
12-25-2005, 07:44 PM
are you telling me we are in the "rebuilding" process of our franchise already,,,i know we had a bad year but i seriously doubt we are to that point.


We're not rebuilding yet. That's a bunch of silly panic talk and nothing more. I'm thinking "the wonger need clue" right about now.

Our current line will be good enough for Reggie to light up other teams defenses and to put a stop to this "pin your ears back and kill Carr" strategy for beating the Texans. When DC audibles out of a play and Bush moves to the slot while Davis stays back in the backfield you're going to see some time to throw the ball.

We've got most of the talent and there's no need to go passing on a player like Bush to rush to replace a bunch of guys who are mostly coming up short due to a bad scheme (offense? defense? applies to both).

YoungTexanFan
12-25-2005, 07:49 PM
What is being said is that we don't HAVE to get an OL in the first round. Many very good offensive lines in the NFL have 3rd rounders to 5th rounders anchoring the line. We just need to focus on the OL after the first round.

Those guys are mostly G's and C's. Very few exceptions play T, and one in a million play at the same level of a 1st round OT.

YoungTexanFan
12-25-2005, 07:51 PM
Why do we have to trade out of it? our problems won't be fixed in one year so why not take a great talent like bush? We can get lineman anytime...

One of the worst posts ever on this board. Bush will fix nothing and will not help any of our problems at all. He will add to a strong groups that has no room for him. Linemen, that we would be happy with, are not found "anywhere". They are drafted early and developed. Unless bush wants to play LG/OT, and MLB/FS he has no business being on our team next year.

bigcarlos
12-25-2005, 08:03 PM
One of the worst posts ever on this board. :listening

Dime
12-25-2005, 08:47 PM
You people and your disrespect of our team sickens me. Bush will part the red seas you will say next. Bush has proven outstanding in college, but you people are blind to the needs of the team. Dont tell me about, Bush will help crap. DD does 1k yards a year for the most part. The only way to help our team is to address other needs. Get off the 'I want' stuff for christmas, and get on the 'we need' bus. As always, most of you will miss the bus again. IF we lose, and Bush declares to go back to school, I will laugh sooooooo hard. Even as much as i want him as trade bait for picks, I will be satified on a slew of people moaning of the one that got away, again (derrik johnson), again (Sean Taylor).

Personally, I wouldnt want to play for the Texans either, seeing on how much you all help support them. Sad day for the Texans players. Disrespectful.

Hervoyel
12-25-2005, 09:25 PM
One of the worst posts ever on this board.

The fact that you don't agree with him doesn't make his post one of the worst ever on this board. That statement is ridiculous to make and I can only hope that it's the result of gross exaggeration. If it is then it's understandable. If it isn't then you need to read more posts because you have no idea what you are talking about. Posts that lead off with lines like this one of yours are in the running for "worst post ever on this board" because they make wild assertions with no basis in fact. That style continues with the rest of your post....

Bush will fix nothing and will not help any of our problems at all. He will add to a strong groups that has no room for him. Linemen, that we would be happy with, are not found "anywhere". They are drafted early and developed. Unless bush wants to play LG/OT, and MLB/FS he has no business being on our team next year.

So you're saying that Bush will fix nothing. Not one problem will improve with the arrival of Reggie Bush?

Not even one?

That's an amazing claim. You astound me!

You can believe what you wish but I find it hard to imagine that the threat of Reggie Bush breaking out of our backfield will not help AJ get open or Carr stay standing. It's also madness to say that our backfield has no room for him. What? Tony Hollings refuses to give his roster spot up for Reggie Bush? I somehow don't think that's going to pose much of a problem.

If you can't figure out how a running back like Bush helps AJ get open or Carr stay standing then, well... "wow".

Hervoyel
12-25-2005, 09:28 PM
You people and your disrespect of our team sickens me. Bush will part the red seas you will say next. Bush has proven outstanding in college, but you people are blind to the needs of the team. Dont tell me about, Bush will help crap. DD does 1k yards a year for the most part. The only way to help our team is to address other needs. Get off the 'I want' stuff for christmas, and get on the 'we need' bus. As always, most of you will miss the bus again. IF we lose, and Bush declares to go back to school, I will laugh sooooooo hard. Even as much as i want him as trade bait for picks, I will be satified on a slew of people moaning of the one that got away, again (derrik johnson), again (Sean Taylor).

Personally, I wouldnt want to play for the Texans either, seeing on how much you all help support them. Sad day for the Texans players. Disrespectful.


It's nice to hear a "real fan" put us all in our place for not thinking like he does. Nice work Dime. By the way I think you're idea of the best way to go is similarly wrong. I'm going to leave out the "sicken me" part though. I don't see any reason to go that far overboard.

Hottoddie
12-25-2005, 09:53 PM
Hypothetically speaking, if San Francisco offered their #1 pick (5-6), David Baas, & whatever other pick(s) it might take for the rights to draft Bush, would you do it?

That'd give us a starting C/G & the chance to still draft D'Brick, or Winston with the 5-6 pick. O'Line problems solved.

What if the Jets offered their #1 pick (3-5), John Abraham, & whatever other pick(s) it took, would you do it? I read an article 2-3 weeks ago that indicated they'd be willing to package him with their pick for a QB. I wonder if they'd settle for a RB instead?

Bush might be a quick fix for this club, but he won't help us for the long haul. If he is able to get us several additional wins & into the playoffs, we end up picking later in each round, which won't help us put the kind of quality depth on this team, that we so desperately need.

On the other hand, if we use this extraordinary opportunity to trade the #1 pick for a starter & additional picks for this year & in the future, we should be able to fill most of our holes, & still be in a position to bundle some picks for a shot at Adrian Peterson (OU) next year, or the next. By then, our O'Line would be gelling just right.

Bubbajwp
12-25-2005, 09:57 PM
Winning this game would set the organization back even further. It's a complete failure after 4 years and losing this draft pick could affect the rebuilding process by years.
I cant believe I actually agree with wonger for once.

Bubbajwp
12-25-2005, 09:57 PM
0-0
Final score of the 49ers Texans game.

Texans86
12-25-2005, 10:08 PM
Why do we have to trade out of it? our problems won't be fixed in one year so why not take a great talent like bush? We can get lineman anytime...

Unfortunately that has been the thinking for the last for years. Now, we're back at the #1 pick.

dsdamaged
12-25-2005, 10:40 PM
Hypothetically speaking, if San Francisco offered their #1 pick (5-6), David Baas, & whatever other pick(s) it might take for the rights to draft Bush, would you do it?

That'd give us a starting C/G & the chance to still draft D'Brick, or Winston with the 5-6 pick. O'Line problems solved.

What if the Jets offered their #1 pick (3-5), John Abraham, & whatever other pick(s) it took, would you do it? I read an article 2-3 weeks ago that indicated they'd be willing to package him with their pick for a QB. I wonder if they'd settle for a RB instead?

Bush might be a quick fix for this club, but he won't help us for the long haul. If he is able to get us several additional wins & into the playoffs, we end up picking later in each round, which won't help us put the kind of quality depth on this team, that we so desperately need.

On the other hand, if we use this extraordinary opportunity to trade the #1 pick for a starter & additional picks for this year & in the future, we should be able to fill most of our holes, & still be in a position to bundle some picks for a shot at Adrian Peterson (OU) next year, or the next. By then, our O'Line would be gelling just right.


i promise you the niners would never make that deal, if coach nolan gave away baas and still had to come up with the money for bush the fans would riot and he would have to go into exile. most niner fans agree we would only take bush if he was available to us in the draft, which looks very unlikely now. of course if you would be interested in taking kwame harris we might even pay you to take him. it would seem to me that if you want the best talent available you take bush, but if your looking for the best trade value it might be leinhart.

disaacks3
12-25-2005, 11:44 PM
You can believe what you wish but I find it hard to imagine that the threat of Reggie Bush breaking out of our backfield will not help AJ get open or Carr stay standing. It's also madness to say that our backfield has no room for him. What? Tony Hollings refuses to give his roster spot up for Reggie Bush? I somehow don't think that's going to pose much of a problem.

If you can't figure out how a running back like Bush helps AJ get open or Carr stay standing then, well... "wow".

AJ get open = yes.
Carr stay standing (unless Bush in planning on pass-blocking) = no.

The shifting of a pass-rusher away from Carr won't help until we can successfully block a 4-man rush...something this team has proven thus far that it can't do successfully.

DD is a very servicable back, but he's definitely no Reggie Bush.

I would like to remind the people that keep harping on that 8.9yds.-per-touch of Reggie's that the NFL is a completely different beast. If you're expecting that sort of avg. carry in the NFL, it's time to put up that Michael Irving Limited-Edition crack pipe you got for Xmas. :ok:

I think Bush is the best OVERALL talent to come out in a long time, but he's not Barry Sanders or LT yet! Unlike Earl Campbell, he can't simply come in and start just blasting his way forward behind an inadequate line. He's not a power-runner now, and certainly won't be one in the NFL.

Can anyone honestly say that a Franchise-level LT and a multi-dimensional TE wouldn't help this offense just as much as Bush could? Getting those TWO in place of Bush is a very real trade-down possibility for the 1st pick. Sure, they're not a sure thing, but NEITHER IS BUSH.

ArlingtonTexan
12-26-2005, 12:04 AM
Winning this game would set the organization back even further. It's a complete failure after 4 years and losing this draft pick could affect the rebuilding process by years.

This is an overstatement of the importance of the 1st pick in the draft. A team should be able to make a quality pick at #3 or #4 overall. Even in regards to trading down the famous Ricky Williams trade was not the number one overall.

dsdamaged
12-26-2005, 12:14 AM
This is an overstatement of the importance of the 1st pick in the draft. A team should be able to make a quality pick at #3 or #4 overall. Even in regards to trading down the famous Ricky Williams trade was not the number one overall.





as of right up to the RAVENS vs MINN game i have it as us being 5th

NO at .518

NYJ at .527

HOU at .530

GB at .543

SF at .545

of course the ravens win changed this some already and the jets and new england game tomorrow will bump both the saints and the jets up if new england wins as expected especially the jets as they play them twice. i havent done the math on the raiders or tenn yet but we could concievably drop to 7th if we beat houston...

from my own message board just thought id share the most recent numbers

Dime
12-26-2005, 10:42 AM
It's nice to hear a "real fan" put us all in our place for not thinking like he does. Nice work Dime. By the way I think you're idea of the best way to go is similarly wrong. I'm going to leave out the "sicken me" part though. I don't see any reason to go that far overboard.

I am not going far enough. Every third word here is about Bush, and not the team that we have. I am glad you feel i am a real fan, because that is exactly WHAT I am.

cuppacoffee
12-26-2005, 11:24 AM
We're not rebuilding yet. That's a bunch of silly panic talk and nothing more. I'm thinking "the wonger need clue" right about now.
:rofl:
Our current line will be good enough for Reggie to light up other teams defenses and to put a stop to this "pin your ears back and kill Carr" strategy for beating the Texans. When DC audibles out of a play and Bush moves to the slot while Davis stays back in the backfield you're going to see some time to throw the ball.

We've got most of the talent and there's no need to go passing on a player like Bush to rush to replace a bunch of guys who are mostly coming up short due to a bad scheme (offense? defense? applies to both).

Damn...Wish I had said that first.

Carr Bombed
12-26-2005, 11:27 AM
I am not going far enough. Every third word here is about Bush, and not the team that we have. I am glad you feel i am a real fan, because that is exactly WHAT I am.I get tired when fans try to tell other fans how they should act or question whether they're real fans or not. Anyone that would take time out of their schedule and post about a 2-13 team is a TRUE FAN or in your words a "REAL" fan. A Texan "Bandwagon" fan is a mystical creature like bigfoot or the lochness monster, they may exist, but I doubt it.

As far as every third word being about bush and not the team, maybe thats because there is only one more game left in the season and again we're 2-13. Our season has been over for months. At this point talking about the draft has been the only thing keeping people going and the prospect of having the first pick is about the only bright spot to look forward to in the near future. Add on top of that bush being one of the most exciting prospects to come out in some time and you got people talking.

WWJD
12-26-2005, 11:32 AM
Hey Bigfoot and Nessie are real! :)

The Texans are just like every other NFL team. Some years you're really good, some years you're good, some years you're average, some years you're bad and some years you're gonna be pathetic.

This just happened to be their pathetic year.

Erratic Assassin
12-26-2005, 11:54 AM
You don't draft for need when there is an OVERWHELMING talented #1 pick. You take the talent.

Sure you do. We drafted David Carr over Julius Peppers.

It certainly wasn't because David was the most talented player in the draft, it's because he was the most talented QB in the draft. The Lions took Joey Harrington because he was the 2nd most talented QB in the draft (leaving many more talented players on the board).

Teams draft for need all the time and we're talking about experienced GMs who supposedly know more about football than we average peons.

If we had drafted the most talented OTs in our first 2 years and drafted the most talented defensive linemen in our second 2 years, we'd be in better shape now. We would have a much more solid foundation. We might even be one or 2 players away from being a decent team.

stevo3883
12-26-2005, 11:56 AM
I am not going far enough. Every third word here is about Bush, and not the team that we have. I am glad you feel i am a real fan, because that is exactly WHAT I am.


give me a break.

anyone that roots for this team is a real fan. we're 2-13 for gods sake. we run the most boring offense in the league, our defense is atrocious.

All we have to look forward to is the draft, and the best prospect in years is coming out. Hes young, hes freaking fast, he has amazing moves, hes got a good head on his shoulders, and hes extremely versatile. We could very well have the chance to draft the 'next great thing' in the NFL.

A LOT of people are excited about getting to go to games and just see Reggie Bush on offense. He will make life a living hell for defensive coordinators because of the ability to line up as a WR, and his uncanny ability to make a big play.

so we're:
A- the worst team in the league
B- the worst big play offense in the league (least plays of 20+ yards in the league)
C- have a good chance at the #1 pick and chance for Reggie Bush

and you say real fans only talk about what is going on with the team right now. Whatever you say boss.

stevo3883
12-26-2005, 12:28 PM
Sure you do. We drafted David Carr over Julius Peppers.

It certainly wasn't because David was the most talented player in the draft, it's because he was the most talented QB in the draft. The Lions took Joey Harrington because he was the 2nd most talented QB in the draft (leaving many more talented players on the board).

Teams draft for need all the time and we're talking about experienced GMs who supposedly know more about football than we average peons.

If we had drafted the most talented OTs in our first 2 years and drafted the most talented defensive linemen in our second 2 years, we'd be in better shape now. We would have a much more solid foundation. We might even be one or 2 players away from being a decent team.


peppers wasn't the consensus #1 prospect

Dime
12-26-2005, 12:49 PM
give me a break.

anyone that roots for this team is a real fan. we're 2-13 for gods sake. we run the most boring offense in the league, our defense is atrocious.

All we have to look forward to is the draft, and the best prospect in years is coming out. Hes young, hes freaking fast, he has amazing moves, hes got a good head on his shoulders, and hes extremely versatile. We could very well have the chance to draft the 'next great thing' in the NFL.

A LOT of people are excited about getting to go to games and just see Reggie Bush on offense. He will make life a living hell for defensive coordinators because of the ability to line up as a WR, and his uncanny ability to make a big play.

so we're:
A- the worst team in the league
B- the worst big play offense in the league (least plays of 20+ yards in the league)
C- have a good chance at the #1 pick and chance for Reggie Bush

and you say real fans only talk about what is going on with the team right now. Whatever you say boss.

You give me a break. With DD, Wells, Morency and Hollings, (DD being a 1k rusher), you think we are going to take Another RB for 1st pick. Alot of people were excited about Sean Taylor, and Derrick Johnson too. I know, they were awesome freaks of nature, but not a freak of nature like Reggie.

Personally, I dont care what you think of me, and if I make your day or not. I DO care about keeping Carr upright if we keep him, and bringing in folks who fear our defense. Last Year at the end of the season, Carr said "I hope we draft a Oline man to help me from running" or something like that. We didnt, and he has been running again. If you want to keep Carr, you need to think who you want to keep. Bush does not solve major other problems. Oh, by the way, I think he would take off a huge pressure from AJ allowing him to make more plays. But that does not hide the fact that our OLINE needs to be our focus this year.

Rofl... One last note... This team player and riding the pine stuff. If i give a opionon that doesnt agree with the general board, I be riding that pine. Personally, I dont care if I get thrown from the game. Call me the boards TO. I will express my opionons, and that is that.

gg no re
12-26-2005, 01:13 PM
I'm a family man.

My wife is about to die of cancer.

I can't wait to marry that hot broad across the street when my wife dies.

Dime
12-26-2005, 01:17 PM
Ouchies

DraconisRex
12-26-2005, 04:18 PM
ok. I mean no disrespect to the 49ers (good win today) but this is about the only game that I feel the Texans should win if we show up.

Texans 24
49ers 20


Sigh. Like the 49ers, the Texans just don't "show up" and "walk over" teams. You BARELY beat the Browns. You did a good job on the Cards. But don't act like you're the Colts or something. You're not. You're just another bad team so don't act like you're something.

Maybe you'll win. Maybe you won't. Both our teams are so erratic and bad right now that anything could happen.

DraconisRex
12-26-2005, 04:18 PM
Ouchies


I like your sig! You a Civ IV player?

Dime
12-26-2005, 08:51 PM
Isnt everyone ;)

YoungTexanFan
12-26-2005, 11:55 PM
The fact that you don't agree with him doesn't make his post one of the worst ever on this board. That statement is ridiculous to make and I can only hope that it's the result of gross exaggeration. If it is then it's understandable. If it isn't then you need to read more posts because you have no idea what you are talking about. Posts that lead off with lines like this one of yours are in the running for "worst post ever on this board" because they make wild assertions with no basis in fact. That style continues with the rest of your post....



So you're saying that Bush will fix nothing. Not one problem will improve with the arrival of Reggie Bush?

Not even one?

That's an amazing claim. You astound me!

You can believe what you wish but I find it hard to imagine that the threat of Reggie Bush breaking out of our backfield will not help AJ get open or Carr stay standing. It's also madness to say that our backfield has no room for him. What? Tony Hollings refuses to give his roster spot up for Reggie Bush? I somehow don't think that's going to pose much of a problem.

If you can't figure out how a running back like Bush helps AJ get open or Carr stay standing then, well... "wow".

burn of my lifetime i do belive.

However, most of my post like this are rants or I've lost the ability to control my anger at the a repeated theme from a post. I try to control it the best I can.

That style continues with the rest of your post....


This is the first real objection to my post i can remember from you. If you think im only posting mindles ramblings then say something everyonce in a while.

I like bush as a player and person, who doesnt? He could very well open up some things for our team, but i doubt that he has too much, if any effect on carr not getting sacked. He would open stuff up for AJ.

*please note: most of my post which seem to "lash out" at members, are more out of frustration than belief in what i say. I, along with most people, talk before their mind processes everything. Cut me some slack and let's just move on from here.*

Nighthawk
12-27-2005, 12:59 AM
No chance at 1st overall pick unless we lose this weeked. Both Texans and 49ers will be playing to lose and trying to look as if they are not playing to lose. Should be an interesting matchup. I suspect it will fall to individual players who make inexplicable mistakes (dropped passes, fumbles, whiffed tackles, dropped intercepts, bad kicks, etc) all on their own to determine the winner (loser).

Jack Bauer
12-27-2005, 01:01 AM
No chance at 1st overall pick unless we lose this weeked. Both Texans and 49ers will be playing to lose and trying to look as if they are not playing to lose. Should be an interesting matchup. I suspect it will fall to individual players who make inexplicable mistakes (dropped passes, fumbles, whiffed tackles, dropped intercepts, bad kicks, etc) all on their own to determine the winner (loser).

No true professional player will "try" to lose. Carr is playing for his $8 million. Do you honestly think he will do something on purpose? The only receiver that is safe is AJ. No one on the OL is safe, so why would they risk their careers?

Those of you who actually think the Texans will tank on purpose do not have a concept of what type of competitor it takes to play at the professional level.

YoungTexanFan
12-27-2005, 07:57 AM
No true professional player will "try" to lose. Carr is playing for his $8 million. Do you honestly think he will do something on purpose? The only receiver that is safe is AJ. No one on the OL is safe, so why would they risk their careers?

Those of you who actually think the Texans will tank on purpose do not have a concept of what type of competitor it takes to play at the professional level.

the only people in the texasn organization not trying to win is our coaching staff, but that hasnt changed in 4 years yet.

dsdamaged
12-27-2005, 09:30 AM
No chance at 1st overall pick unless we lose this weeked. Both Texans and 49ers will be playing to lose and trying to look as if they are not playing to lose. Should be an interesting matchup. I suspect it will fall to individual players who make inexplicable mistakes (dropped passes, fumbles, whiffed tackles, dropped intercepts, bad kicks, etc) all on their own to determine the winner (loser).

doubtful, niners have no chance at first pick win or lose, not that i think it would have made a difference, if we wanted to lose we could easily have mailed it in during the rams game. i think everybody understands a win benefits our team much more than a spot or two in the draft, at least from our side.

Marcus
12-27-2005, 10:07 AM
You do realize that Reggie Bush, for all his Hall of Fame Pro-Bowl talent, would be nothing behind our current o-line and offense, correct?

What's funny is, that after he's drafted and signed to that mult-megamillion dollar contract that will put us in a salary cap strait jacket for years, and goes on to get maybe 50 or 60 yards a game, and miss half the season with various types of injuries while he's being "welcomed to the NFL", all the NOBODY BUT BUSH puppets will be screaming "Rehire Capers and Casserly" and blaming the 'new' management for making such a bad draft decision.

(Just in case you're wondering why I'm so caustic and sarcastic, DB) :)

nunusguy
12-27-2005, 10:23 AM
doubtful, niners have no chance at first pick win or lose, not that i think it would have made a difference, if we wanted to lose we could easily have mailed it in during the rams game. i think everybody understands a win benefits our team much more than a spot or two in the draft, at least from our side.
Even if your team doesn't think Bush is special (and I personally think he will fall way, way short of the expectations), it stands to reason that one or more of the 31 other teams might think he's the second coming of the Christ Child ! I mean 31 other teams ! No telling how bad one of those teams would
want Bush. So Bush's value is not in his own basic value to your team, but its in his value as an item of barter, of exchange. Lot of people say he will sell tickets. That's probably true, but he'll sell tickets for only one year if your team ends up again at 2-14 or 3-13.

dsdamaged
12-27-2005, 10:49 AM
[QUOTE=nunusguy]Even if your team doesn't think Bush is special (and I personally think he will fall way, way short of the expectations), it stands to reason that one or more of the 31 other teams might think he's the second coming of the Christ Child ! I mean 31 other teams ! No telling how bad one of those teams would
want Bush. So Bush's value is not in his own basic value to your team, but its in his value as an item of barter, of exchange. Lot of people say he will sell tickets. That's probably true, but he'll sell tickets for only one year if your team ends up again at 2-14 or 3-13.[/QUOTE



oh dont get me wrong i do believe he is special, and i would have loved the oppertunity to either draft him or aquire the value of trading him. the fact is right now unless a series of amazing upsets happen, the niners are most likely going to get no higher than fifth, and thats if we lose, which i dont expect. we could end up with as low as 7th if we win. so win or lose we are only talkin a couple of spots. that being said, i believe a two game winning streak benefits my team for next year more than a couple of draft positions. this post was a response to an earlier post from someone who suggested that the niners would be playing to lose, i just wanted to point out, that now there is no longer any real incentive for us to even consider it.

not that i ever believed either of our teams really would.

tulexan
12-27-2005, 10:51 AM
Luckily for the Niners, Alex Smith should be able to throw at least one touchdown against the Texans. I mean if Ryan Fitzpatrick can throw a few against us Alex Smith should be able to as well.

dsdamaged
12-27-2005, 10:59 AM
Luckily for the Niners, Alex Smith should be able to throw at least one touchdown against the Texans. I mean if Ryan Fitzpatrick can throw a few against us Alex Smith should be able to as well.

i hope so, no offense but if there is one thing i really dont want next year its the season strting off with "when will alex get his first TD pass"? getting one in this game could improve his development greatly, at least in his head.

tulexan
12-27-2005, 11:01 AM
Looks like they have a pretty good combo between Hicks and Gore. I really don't know why Barlow was getting so many carries when there were two really talented backs behind him who were better than him.

Hottoddie
12-27-2005, 11:52 AM
You know, if we lose & it looks like New Orleans is a lock for the 2nd pick, I wonder if Casserly could screw them out of all their draft picks again. It's true that he doesn't have Ditka to take advantage of anymore, but maybe he can take advantage of the "Cowardly Lion" Mayor of New Orleans. Since the CLM wants to revitalize the city's commerce (so he can keep his job), what better way than to draft Bush for the Saints? Heck, I bet that the Governor could be convinced to throw in some mud bugs as well.:drool:

Yeah, that's the ticket. We'll give New Orleans the top pick for their entire draft & a few bags of mud bugs. Then, we could trade down to the 3rd spot (NY Jets), so that they could draft Leinart. He might be a little banged up, but he plays through his injuries, unlike Pennington. We should be able to get their 3rd round pick this year & a 2nd next year. Or, we might be able to get their #1 pick next year. It depends upon how bad they want Leinart.

So, what do ya'll think of my master plan? We'll have the #3 pick, 2) 2nd's, 4) 3rd's, 2) 4th's, 2) 5th's, 2) 6th's, & 2) 7th's, for a total of 15 picks this year & we pick up an extra 2nd round pick next year. That'll come in handy when we trade up next year to pick Adrian Peterson (OU).

Okay, I now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast.:tv:

tulexan
12-27-2005, 12:25 PM
I don't know what you are talking about because Ray Nagin has nothing to do with the Saints and no input on the team.

If they have the #1 or #2 pick they are going to draft Matt Leinart. They have no quarterbacks and one of the best running backs in the league.

dsdamaged
12-27-2005, 01:13 PM
Looks like they have a pretty good combo between Hicks and Gore. I really don't know why Barlow was getting so many carries when there were two really talented backs behind him who were better than him.

well, gore is good he would have gone alot higher in the draft but for two blown knees in college so health is a concern for him to carry the load. he has already been injured this year, although not the knees, mo hicks another smaller back had a rep for fumbling although he seems to have held on alittle better this year, not to mention barlow was just resigned last year to a large contract thanks to the coach erickson and donaflop (donahue) era. the advantage so far for the smaller backs is they dont quite need the same holes barlow does to get through and since our o-line is struggling so does barlow, but his size will pay off once he gets past the line of scrimmage to take on linebackers and DB,s .

run-david-run
12-27-2005, 02:51 PM
You don't draft for need when there is an OVERWHELMING talented #1 pick. You take the talent.

If we get the #2-#4 pick maybe we trade down. But there is no way you pass up an opportunity to get Reggie Bush. The guy is going to be amazing and would be the Face of this franchise for the next few years. (you can't say that about anyone we trade down for.)
Says who?? We have the worst pass blocking line in THE HISTORY OF THE NFL!!!!! But, here's a better idea. lets draft a 195 lb RB who will give us 15 carries a game and a really cool highlight!!!! YAY!!!

tulexan
12-27-2005, 02:52 PM
At least he will get us touchdowns unlike the rest of our playmakers.

run-david-run
12-27-2005, 02:55 PM
So if you agree that our OL is serviceable (not great but serviceable) and we all know that Bush has more talent than DD, and that all we need is a #2 wr, and a TE to finally do something in for this franchise....why not pick Bush witht the number 1 pick and I think Mathis will be our #2 next year...that leaves a TE to come in and do something, and some help on our OL with our other picks in the draft....what is sooo wrong with Bush at the 1 spot??
WHo in God's name would call a line that has given up twice as many sacks as anyone else this season "serviceable"? We have a terrible line, they dont know how or who to block!!! By the way, did you see how good Carr looked when he had time to throw downfield on Saturday? Did you see how bad when he had 2 seconds before being creamed by Peterson or Henderson or Stroud, or any other Jags defender...

run-david-run
12-27-2005, 02:58 PM
At least he will get us touchdowns unlike the rest of our playmakers.
And what guaratees that? Ron Dayne is the all time leading rusher in NCAA history. The best QB in college history is sitting on our practice squad... remeber Andre Ware? What about Blair Thomas, Ki-Janan Carter? No player, no matter how much of a playmaker he is in college, is a sure thing...

I would also like to see Bush dive up the middle on 3rd and 1, moving the pile for a big first down... yeah, right

run-david-run
12-27-2005, 03:00 PM
Why do we have to trade out of it? our problems won't be fixed in one year so why not take a great talent like bush? We can get lineman anytime...
Yes, like anytime during the last 4 years... how can anyone seriously say we dont need to draft linemen after the last four years? Have you watched the games? Have you seen how handicaped our offense is because our line? how is bush going to help that? a line makes a running back, a running back does not make a line

tulexan
12-27-2005, 03:13 PM
You're right and I'm wrong.

Reggie Bush will be a terrible NFL player

D'Brickinshaw Ferguson or Eric Winston will be the second coming of Anthony Muñoz and David Carr will be sacked zero times.

Domanick Davis will rush for 2000 yards and score 30 touchdowns next year.


Pointing out busts is really easy in the NFL. But I can do the opposite just as easy. Remember John Elway? What about Barry Sanders? Peyton Manning? Dan Marino? Marcus Allen? Gale Sayers? OJ Simpson? Earl Campbell? Terry Bradshaw? Franco Harris? All of those guys were taken at the top or near the top of the draft. I'm not saying that Reggie will be in the company of those players, but I think it is funny how people only associate him with busts of the NFL rather than also comparing him to the top players in league history.

run-david-run
12-27-2005, 03:13 PM
We're not rebuilding yet. That's a bunch of silly panic talk and nothing more. I'm thinking "the wonger need clue" right about now.

Our current line will be good enough for Reggie to light up other teams defenses and to put a stop to this "pin your ears back and kill Carr" strategy for beating the Texans. When DC audibles out of a play and Bush moves to the slot while Davis stays back in the backfield you're going to see some time to throw the ball.

We've got most of the talent and there's no need to go passing on a player like Bush to rush to replace a bunch of guys who are mostly coming up short due to a bad scheme (offense? defense? applies to both).
Just like when we have AJ and Mathis out there Carr has time.. ooopsss, we dont! Until we get a line, it dosnt matter how many complimentary player we have

run-david-run
12-27-2005, 03:17 PM
You're right and I'm wrong.

Reggie Bush will be a terrible NFL player

D'Brickinshaw Ferguson or Eric Winston will be the second coming of Anthony Muņoz and David Carr will be sacked zero times.

Domanick Davis will rush for 2000 yards and score 30 touchdowns next year.


Pointing out busts is really easy in the NFL. But I can do the opposite just as easy. Remember John Elway? What about Barry Sanders? Peyton Manning? Dan Marino? Marcus Allen? Gale Sayers? OJ Simpson? Earl Campbell? Terry Bradshaw? Franco Harris? All of those guys were taken at the top or near the top of the draft. I'm not saying that Reggie will be in the company of those players, but I think it is funny how people only associate him with busts of the NFL rather than also comparing him to the top players in league history.
208. that is the number of times carr has been sacked in 4 years, one of which he was injured in... by the way, on average carr is sacked almost 4 times a game...

Coach C.
12-27-2005, 03:24 PM
I mean Reggie Bush supporters who are you posting to. Are there countless people against Bush that do not express their thoughts without bringing meat. I have seen Bush play, and I have seen the greatest backs to ever play the game. I mean there are players that were awesome that never made the NFL, but they were great. Bush is an awesome athlete, I mean he is not a freak like Ju. Peppers or Lavar Arrington, but the kid is fast and has jelly in his hips. Bush will be a solid RB in this league take a look at Warrick Dunn if you want to see Reggie Bush type numbers. Yeah, that is not bad. Those of us that feel like Bush is overhyped are right, not because we dont like him, but because in today's media world players get overhyped on a constant basis. Remember when Ron Mercer was suppose to be the next Jordan, I mean that is just stupid, but he was a solid player. Bush is better than Mercer so dont start that argument, but he is overhyped. So Texans brass will use that hype to fix the holes in our team. Think of it like this. there are holes in our roof, we have plugs, some that do the job very well and others that dont do much and end up having to be replaced, then we have the great plugs that are great and stopping up one hole accept the rest of the damn holes are leaking. Use bush to get top plugs and then the rest of you can just be upset we did not get the flashy awesome plug.

Hottoddie
12-27-2005, 03:29 PM
I don't know what you are talking about because Ray Nagin has nothing to do with the Saints and no input on the team.

If they have the #1 or #2 pick they are going to draft Matt Leinart. They have no quarterbacks and one of the best running backs in the league.

It was a joke. Next time I'll draw some pictures for you.:rolleyes:

Hervoyel
12-27-2005, 03:31 PM
Yes, like anytime during the last 4 years... how can anyone seriously say we dont need to draft linemen after the last four years? Have you watched the games? Have you seen how handicaped our offense is because our line? how is bush going to help that? a line makes a running back, a running back does not make a line

As a matter of fact (and record) a great running back can make a line look much better than it really is. There are historical examples of this that can easily be cited. I'm not going to bother doing so because you don't care.

In a general sense though you are correct and no, a running back does not "make" a line. There has to be something to work with at the start. With the Texans line there IS something to work with.

You know who can "make" a line? An offensive line coach can make a line. That's right, he has the power to actually teach the linemen how to play their positions. Our present offensive line coach (and our 2004 line coach) is Joe Pendry. Under his watch our line has gone from 36 sacks before he showed up, to 45, and now to what? 68? Nearly back to where we were before the bum (yes I think Joe Pendry is a bum) went to work here.

Existing offensive line + New offensive line coach/system + Perhaps a top of the 2nd round RT, C, or G + Reggie Bush = the potential for one very good running game in 2006. A very good running game forces to the defense to stop it before they can make "Kill the Carr" their primary concern.

That's what I think will happen if we go that route.