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the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 01:21 PM
Gerrard will outperform Houston's franchise QB today and show why he would be a 3rd string QB on just about any other team.

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 02:44 PM
Gerrard will outperform Houston's franchise QB today and show why he would be a 3rd string QB on just about any other team.

Dude give it up already, geesh.

So far today......

D. Garrard 10/18 152yds 0td
D. Carr 5/7 115yds 1td

Texans lead going into half 13-10

loser

LBC_Justin
12-24-2005, 02:46 PM
Gerrard will outperform Houston's franchise QB today and show why he would be a 3rd string QB on just about any other team.
Our guys are playing decent today.


Of all of our "Team Needs"........QB is not a the top of the list.

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 02:46 PM
Dude give it up already, geesh.

Give what up? Pointing out that Davie Franchise is not an NFL quarterback? Not a chance...

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 02:48 PM
Give what up? Pointing out that Davie Franchise is not an NFL quarterback? Not a chance...

He is a NFL QB. You make me laugh you positive little dude.:tv:

*****

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 02:50 PM
He is a NFL QB.

Only because the Texans front office made a huge mistake. The guy would have been benched a long time ago if he was on any other team.

Jack Bauer
12-24-2005, 02:52 PM
Only because the Texans front office made a huge mistake. The guy would have been benched a long time ago if he was on any other team.

Benched like Joey Harrington. That has worked out well.

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 02:52 PM
Only because the Texans front office made a huge mistake. The guy would have been benched a long time ago if he was on any other team.

Whatever you say.:slap:

HoustonFan
12-24-2005, 02:53 PM
I'm waiting to see all of the Carr haters jump on the band wagon as this team is on the road to recovery. Yeah the season is over, but not the franchise. Carr will get better as an "NFL" QB, as this team will turn around this nightmare season into playoff contender in the years to come.

Don't hate, congratulate. Carr is playing well.

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 02:56 PM
Benched like Joey Harrington. That has worked out well.

Staying with Davie Franchise has worked out well... 5-21 over the past 26 games. (3) 200+ yard passing games.

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 02:59 PM
Staying with Davie Franchise has worked out well... 5-21 over the past 26 games. (3) 200+ yard passing games.

That would be Stevie Franchise, try to be a little bit more original man.
freakin *****

Jack Bauer
12-24-2005, 02:59 PM
Staying with Davie Franchise has worked out well... 5-21 over the past 26 games. (3) 200+ yard passing games.

I will revisit this thread after next season. We will see who is right.

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 03:01 PM
I will revisit this thread after next season. We will see who is right.

That's what every other Carr apologist has claimed the past 4 years...

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 03:02 PM
nevermind. lol wonger is hilarious......

LBC_Justin
12-24-2005, 03:24 PM
Staying with Davie Franchise has worked out well... 5-21 over the past 26 games. (3) 200+ yard passing games.
Carr needs some work.

But coach, personel decisions, O-line trouble, and other issues have not helped the situation.

How is Brett Farve doing with a poor pass protecting O-line and no #2 reciever?

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 03:29 PM
How is Brett Farve doing with a poor pass protecting O-line and no #2 reciever?

Over 1,000 more yards, 7 more touchdowns, better completion percentage, better record.

ThaShark316
12-24-2005, 03:31 PM
Sharkdizzle makes his sigs for a reason. :) :redtowel:

MightyTExan
12-24-2005, 03:32 PM
How's Farve doing on those interceptions this year?

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 03:35 PM
How's Farve doing on those interceptions this year?

He has more than Carr certainly, but he actually throws the ball downfield instead of out of bounds or taking a sack.

LBC_Justin
12-24-2005, 03:40 PM
Over 1,000 more yards, 7 more touchdowns, better completion percentage, better record.You mean to say he is on a 3-11 team in a weaker conference and weaker division, on a team that made the playoffs last year.

Oh and yards don't tell the whole story

Farve: 24 Ints Passer Rating: 73.1
Carr: 12 Ints Passer Rating: 76.0

Let's not forget about those 12 more Interceptions Farve has thrown.

LBC_Justin
12-24-2005, 03:42 PM
He has more than Carr certainly, but he actually throws the ball downfield instead of out of bounds or taking a sack.
I could see you making this argument, but you can't say that in todays game or in last weeks game. We have made plenty of deep plays and deep attempts in the last two games.

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 03:44 PM
I really hope you guys aren't thinking that Carr is comparable to Favre on any level. Seriously...

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 03:48 PM
I could see you making this argument, but you can't say that in todays game or in last weeks game. We have made plenty of deep plays and deep attempts in the last two games.

It depends on your definition of "plenty". Compared to their own previous efforts, yes. But compared to an average NFL team, they throw downfield (over 20 yards) very rarely.

Jack Bauer
12-24-2005, 03:55 PM
It depends on your definition of "plenty". Compared to their own previous efforts, yes. But compared to an average NFL team, they throw downfield (over 20 yards) very rarely.

There is a simple reason for this: Palmer and Pendry (not Carr).

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 03:56 PM
There is a simple reason for this: Palmer and Pendry (not Carr).

I know... nothing is ever Carr's fault. He's a great quarterback... blah, blah, blah.

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 04:08 PM
Let's make this Carr's official excuse thread. 5-22 over his last 27 games... Davie Franchise is a loser and this organization is a complete failure after 4 years.

bigtex77
12-24-2005, 04:09 PM
I know... nothing is ever Carr's fault. He's a great quarterback... blah, blah, blah.
I don't think anyone would say that Carr is a great QB, but until he has decent, consistant protection the jury is still out on him.

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 04:11 PM
I don't think anyone woukd say that Carr is a great QB, but until he has decent, consistant protection the jury is still out on him.

The verdict is in IMO. He's proven time and time again that he is a loser.

bigtex77
12-24-2005, 04:13 PM
The verdict is in IMO. He's proven time and time again that he is a loser.
You are entitled to your opinion, but even with Peyton Manning this team couldn't win consistantly.

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 04:15 PM
The verdict is in IMO. He's proven time and time again that he is a loser.

That is your opinion.He is not a loser the team unfortunately has proven they are losers.

Jack Bauer
12-24-2005, 04:19 PM
The verdict is in IMO. He's proven time and time again that he is a loser.

With a fan like this, we don't need an enemy! :brickwall

Go Texans! :redtowel:

HJam72
12-24-2005, 04:38 PM
Texans scored 20 points today. This loss is on the defense in the 4th quarter--AGAIN.

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 04:38 PM
With a fan like this, we don't need an enemy! :brickwall

Go Texans! :redtowel:


Exactly, lowayl

Goldeagle
12-24-2005, 04:57 PM
Gerrard will outperform Houston's franchise QB today and show why he would be a 3rd string QB on just about any other team.

:ok: :rolleyes:


Man

SESupergenius
12-24-2005, 05:11 PM
yep once again a 3rd stringer torched our defense, I agree with that. If we had 1/3 of the Jags defense we would win.

tex
12-24-2005, 05:34 PM
nevermind. lol wonger is hilarious......

Hilarious don't even describe him. Where'd this guy come from anyway?

touttail
12-24-2005, 06:14 PM
Hilarious don't even describe him. Where'd this guy come from anyway?

Wonger is a troll, trolling the Texan Board. At least he sounds like one. He don't need food, he should have plenty by eating his ego!

BTW-I'm not a Carr fan , but I don't make a butt out of myself trying to prove it!

bobby 119C:brickwall

Mathis13
12-24-2005, 06:53 PM
wonger's some jacksonville fan:challenge

MorKnolle
12-24-2005, 07:16 PM
Carr's stats for the day:
19/29 295 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT against the 4th rated defense in the NFL, 6th rated defense against the pass. Hopefully this is a good indication to all of you what Carr is capable of doing when the offensive coordinator lets him throw the ball and Bradford makes some catches.

As for the comparisons to Favre (stats coming into this week):
Carr: 233 / 383 - 60.8% - 2170 yards - 12 TD / 10 INT - 76.0 rating, 2-12 against .546 SoS
Favre: 321 / 519 - 61.8% - 3305 yards - 19 TD / 24 INT - 73.1 rating, 3-11 against .510 SoS

I'm not saying Carr is a better QB than Favre (I think he is comparable to Favre at his age) but Carr has a better QB rating.

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 07:19 PM
Carr's stats for the day:
19/29 295 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT against the 4th rated defense in the NFL, 6th rated defense against the pass. Hopefully this is a good indication to all of you what Carr is capable of doing when the offensive coordinator lets him throw the ball and Bradford makes some catches.

As for the comparisons to Favre (stats coming into this week):
Carr: 233 / 383 - 60.8% - 2170 yards - 12 TD / 10 INT - 76.0 rating
Favre: 321 / 519 - 61.8% - 3305 yards - 19 TD / 24 INT - 73.1 rating

I'm not saying Carr is a better QB than Favre (I think he is comparable to Favre at his age) but Carr has a better QB rating.

What was DC's QB rating for the game????

abbest
12-24-2005, 08:25 PM
That's what every other Carr apologist has claimed the past 4 years...AWWWWLLLL CMON OUR CARR IS A LEMON ADMIT IT FELLAS THE SEASON IS LET RAGONE PLAY BEFORE HE IS BYGONE

HJam72
12-24-2005, 08:39 PM
AWWWWLLLL CMON OUR CARR IS A LEMON ADMIT IT FELLAS THE SEASON IS LET RAGONE PLAY BEFORE HE IS BYGONE

I think Ragone, Morency, Mathis, and Orr should all start next week, for evaluation purposes, but they won't.

MorKnolle
12-24-2005, 10:04 PM
What was DC's QB rating for the game????

107.7 off of both these websites I found:

http://home.new.rr.com/rosslahaye/
http://www.primecomputing.com/

Some websites give a bit different of a rating but both of these gave the exact same rating for his season stats as the NFL posts on their website, and the second of these sites will also tell you what the NCAA rating is in case you're interested in comparing ratings between NFL and college players.

Sco-tai
12-24-2005, 10:18 PM
Go away man. You're sitting her baggin on David when it's OBVIOUS, even to people with a below-average Football I.Q, that NO QB will obtain success without protect. Add to poor play calling (when David isn't doing it himself...sans the past 2 1st halves) and it's CLEAR why David has had issues.

Has he made some dumb decision...obviously. But let's drop you on your head 200+ times in 4 years and see if you're any better.

McClain did an article at the beginning of the season showing that Carr's numbers through the 1st 3 years of his career were by far superior to Aikman, Favre, Elway, etc,etc,etc. I think the ONLY QB whom out performed him in that time period was Marino.

Was this season a BOMB...sure. And if we had an improved line and coaching staff this year, then put the blame on Carr. But let's face it...the problems are by far deeper than Carr. And unfortunately, it appears to start with Casserly and trickles down from there.

We shall see what 2006 holds.

Maybe our fans will quit bailing out on the games. I'm starting to see why Bud Adams yanked the Oilers. I'm a native Houstonian and embarrassed by most of you people who are QUICK to complain...and complain...and complain.

Wonger...it's people like you, why I'm happy we have a Soccer team. Maybe you'll spend your extra time focusing on why their players suck..and leave us FOOTBALL fans alone.

Cheers,

Sco-tai

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 10:19 PM
107.7 off of both these websites I found:

http://home.new.rr.com/rosslahaye/
http://www.primecomputing.com/

Some websites give a bit different of a rating but both of these gave the exact same rating for his season stats as the NFL posts on their website, and the second of these sites will also tell you what the NCAA rating is in case you're interested in comparing ratings between NFL and college players.

Not bad for a supposed 3rd string QB against a pretty good defense.

Hervoyel
12-24-2005, 10:32 PM
I'm starting to see why Bud Adams yanked the Oilers.

Identify with Bud Adams? Plonk!

the wonger need food
12-24-2005, 10:59 PM
Not bad for a supposed 3rd string QB against a pretty good defense.

A loser is a loser. Gerrard led his team to scores at critical points in the game while Carr crawled under a rock. He simply cannot make plays when it counts.

But I'm sure he's not at fault. Some of you guys need to get over the man-crush, he's a happily married man from what I understand.

God of Wine
12-24-2005, 11:05 PM
A loser is a loser. Gerrard led his team to scores at critical points in the game while Carr crawled under a rock. He simply cannot make plays when it counts.

But I'm sure he's not at fault. Some of you guys need to get over the man-crush, he's a happily married man from what I understand.

Whatever you say, we will have to agree to disagree.

CMax
12-25-2005, 03:18 AM
Has he made some dumb decision...obviously. But let's drop you on your head 200+ times in 4 years and see if you're any better.


Was this season a BOMB...sure. And if we had an improved line and coaching staff this year, then put the blame on Carr. But let's face it...the problems are by far deeper than Carr. And unfortunately, it appears to start with Casserly and trickles down from there.

Bingo, Carr makes "dumb decisions" because he is in the mind set "if I call this, I'll be hit from the right, but if I call this, I'm hit from the left"

Carr, all things considered, is a damn great QB. He has a damned cannon for an arm, but when you get knocked flat on your back over and over again and spend your time running for your life from the defense that is stampeding at you, you kind of lose sight of who is open.

If all you are gonna do is whine about the team, then quit watching them. Be a fan to be a fan. And quit blamin' Carr - - - they just didn't execute.

tex
12-25-2005, 02:31 PM
Like we have all said before fumbles,dropped passes,even by AJ, no line all make a qb look bad. Let's fix those problems then take another look at how DC profomes.

HoustonFan
12-25-2005, 02:45 PM
Not giving up on Carr over here. I've been frustrated at alot of his decisions this year, but not just him, everyone. I hope that the new coaching staff wil come in and FIX what has needed fixing for a HOT minute. Carr is gonna be alright. AND I'm hoping that we beat the 49ers next week - although that could turn into what looks like the WWE w/ one team throwing the game. Hope it's not us.

TexansTrueFan
12-25-2005, 04:33 PM
haha ok Kris Brown misses 2 field goals and the defense cant stop anybody, D-Robs worst game of his career. Yeah Carr over threw a few passes but in all reality he gave us a good chance to win, defense needs SERIOUS help IMO.

chuckm
12-25-2005, 04:40 PM
wow another week another Carr sucks thread from one of the biggest .... oh wait if I say that then Lucky might delete my post again .... so I'll just say

MERRY CHRISTMAS

TexansTrueFan
12-25-2005, 04:43 PM
well i guess Reggie bush would solve all our problems than :ok: <<< SARCASIM atleats AJ had a good game its nice to seem him take a long on in for the score again.

TexansTrueFan
12-25-2005, 04:59 PM
Carr threw to 2 deep TD passes. Damn he sucks.


he is good when given time, i mean the jags have a good D its just our coaches werent playing conservative i even say him looking off the safety on a few plays. If our coaches would let carr do that every week we would not be talking number 1 in the draft we'd be talking wild card. This is my first time to say this BUT "Capers and pendry need to go"

Kaiser Toro
12-25-2005, 05:03 PM
Carr played pretty well yesterday. Maybe one of his top 15 best games, but the bar really is not that high. We still need a renegotiated contract. 18 wins and below average statistical rank against his cohorts should not yield an automatic extension. If we do then it shows that we are not above stupidty as we will mortgaging our future for more of the same with an extension and Wade's and Greenwood's contracts rearing their ugly heads as cap hell.

Everyone is psyched about a new staff, GM and the #1. I still am very steadfast that the most important off season move is addressing the Carr contract.

TexansTrueFan
12-25-2005, 05:07 PM
Carr played pretty well yesterday. Maybe one of his top 15 best games, but the bar really is not that high. We still need a renegotiated contract. 18 wins and below average statistical rank against his cohorts should not yield an automatic extension. If we do then it shows that we are not above stupidty as we will mortgaging our future for more of the same with an extension and Wade's and Greenwood's contracts rearing their ugly heads as cap hell.

Everyone is psyched about a new staff, GM and the #1. I still am very steadfast that the most important off season move is addressing the Carr contract.


and green wood is nothing special IMO i think that was one of the biggest offseason busts of this franchise so far. We shoulda kept sharper.

sakebomb
12-26-2005, 09:28 AM
I went to NFL.com to check out the latest passer ratings.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2005/regular

It has Carr listed at 19 out of 30 which is nothing to write home about. There are a few "big name" QB that Carr is actually ahead of. He has a better passer rating than Collins, E. Manning, Vick, Cullpepper, and Favre.

Am I happy with Carr's performance? Not at all but I do believe that it has more to do with the coaching staff and his fear in the pocket due to being hit so much. I think a little more protection and a different scheme will do him wonders. He won't be in the top five. More in the 10-15 range I guess.

Straightshooter
12-26-2005, 05:14 PM
Dont feed the trolls.

Go tarheels!!
Go Texans!!!

DraconisRex
12-26-2005, 05:54 PM
Gerrard will outperform Houston's franchise QB today and show why he would be a 3rd string QB on just about any other team.


I'm not a Texan fan and I thought Carr was good, but over-rated at Fresno State. But he's not your problem and his problems are more along the lines of you have one WR, one RB and no o-line or TE.

I would think that if you had a good #2 WR (not a #3/#4 WR pretending to be a #2), an o-line and a good TE (not the joke you have) Carr would be a very, very effective QB. Even if he doesn't make it to Manning status, he'd be a rock-solid guy that could win a Superbowl on a good team, like Brad Johnson.

Napa Auto Parts
12-26-2005, 10:57 PM
like Brad Johnson.


now that is sad like brad johnson you must be kidding the homers around here think he is already better than marino and aikman.

Frills
12-27-2005, 10:06 AM
176 yds rushing is why the texans got whooped, not Carr

gary
12-27-2005, 10:34 AM
I personally think that it is David Carr that is ruining the whole team. Not Dom Capers at all. The bottom line is we need a new QB because to me Mr. Carr just doesn't cut it.:yahoo:

TexanAlmighty
12-27-2005, 05:40 PM
I personally think that it is David Carr that is ruining the whole team. Not Dom Capers at all. The bottom line is we need a new QB because to me Mr. Carr just doesn't cut it.:yahoo:

Pft. Yeah it's all Carrs fault.:rolleyes: That is pure ignorance.

run-david-run
12-27-2005, 06:07 PM
A loser is a loser. Gerrard led his team to scores at critical points in the game while Carr crawled under a rock. He simply cannot make plays when it counts.

But I'm sure he's not at fault. Some of you guys need to get over the man-crush, he's a happily married man from what I understand.
Yeah, like hitting AJ on a 53 yarder in the 4th quarter to give us the lead... oh, its also his fault for missing those two fielg goals, and for allowing the Jags to score 38. They have the 4th ranked defense, 295 and 2 TD's is way more then what Manning got against them. The differance is that our defense still sucks. Maybe instead of complaining about Carr you would notice the 150 yds we gave up on the ground and 5 TD's we surrendured... but, that would conflict with your bash Carr ideal... hmmmm.

By the way, with all of his "bad decisions", he still has fewer picks then Manning, Brady, Delhome and Palmer. Yeah, he is the absolute worst QB in the NFL...

HoustonFan
12-27-2005, 06:31 PM
I'm a Carr supporter, but the only thing that upsets me about him is that he needs to be more of a vocal leader on this team. I like the way he has played the last couple of - games especially the last 2 weeks. Hopefully the new coaching staff that comes in will get him right, as well as the team as a whole.

HJam72
12-27-2005, 07:36 PM
If he stops spelling things right, we're going to think it's a different language. :)

bigcarlos
12-27-2005, 09:07 PM
Anyone know what Flutie's and Vinny's stats were from last night, Just wondering if they were better than Carr's

eric138
12-28-2005, 07:33 AM
The only thing Carr has done was score 24 points by correctly utilizing the weapons he has. The only thing the coaches have done is not let Carr do this every game... Carr showed he has the ability during that game.

Straightshooter
12-28-2005, 09:51 AM
The only thing Carr has done was score 24 points by correctly utilizing the weapons he has. The only thing the coaches have done is not let Carr do this every game... Carr showed he has the ability during that game.

Megan Manfull of the Houston Chronicle reported that in the first half of the Texans-Cardinals game two weeks ago, David Carr was given the green light to call his own plays; the result was a 24-point half for a team that averages 16 points per game. In the second half, Houston coaches took over the playcalling; the result was six points. So naturally Houston learned its lesson and let Carr call his own plays this weekend, right? Coaches called the plays for the Moo Cows, Manfull reports. Houston scored 20 points, about its average.


link
http://nfl.com/features/squibkicks/

eric138
12-28-2005, 11:25 AM
Megan Manfull of the Houston Chronicle reported that in the first half of the Texans-Cardinals game two weeks ago, David Carr was given the green light to call his own plays; the result was a 24-point half for a team that averages 16 points per game. In the second half, Houston coaches took over the playcalling; the result was six points. So naturally Houston learned its lesson and let Carr call his own plays this weekend, right? Coaches called the plays for the Moo Cows, Manfull reports. Houston scored 20 points, about its average.


link
http://nfl.com/features/squibkicks/
This is why we need new coaches. Give us a coaching staff with the nuts to give our offense "he green light" and we will see some football.. The bad thing is Carr has had 4 years of bad coaching and now we will hopefully get what we want and Carr will NOW have to develop into the superstar... so he will now be at somewhat ground zero even though he has 4 years of experience.. it will take a couple more to develop now that he can play some real football and not some baby-sitting bull that we have been seeing..

this is of course we get the good coaching staff.

SESupergenius
12-28-2005, 01:31 PM
Carr just can not read the QB's, I mean how can a 3rd string QB light him up like that? He should have read the plays better and jumped on the ball a little sooner. I swear he can't tackle either. All he has to do us wrap up the player and bring him down. If I see him get pancaked one more time I'm gonna march down on the field and yank the panties right off his little hiney. He get's burned more than P-Buc. He has no vision for the ball.

chuckm
12-28-2005, 09:55 PM
and he has the lamest spin move I've ever seen in a pass rusher ...