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Frills
12-19-2005, 10:35 AM
Yup this year he's averaged 13 carries per game. What happens when he's asked to tote the rock 25-30 times?

We have a high priced RB who is constantly dinged up. The spectacular runs where he leaps and dives over people will in fact get him drilled in the NFL...he tries to leap over a Roy Williams, Lynch or Urlacher he'll end up in the cheap seats at the top of the stadium.

NinerPheen
12-19-2005, 11:53 AM
Yup this year he's averaged 13 carries per game. What happens when he's asked to tote the rock 25-30 times?

We have a high priced RB who is constantly dinged up. The spectacular runs where he leaps and dives over people will in fact get him drilled in the NFL...he tries to leap over a Roy Williams, Lynch or Urlacher he'll end up in the cheap seats at the top of the stadium.

Thats why you should be happy your letting his sorry @$$ go to the niners.

Reggie, Reggie, Reggie!!!!!

Youngstown Colt
12-19-2005, 12:21 PM
He only gets 13 carries because he doesn't mess around with 5 yard gains, he puts it in the end zone and sits down.

tulexan
12-19-2005, 12:24 PM
Yup this year he's averaged 13 carries per game. What happens when he's asked to tote the rock 25-30 times?


He gets over 250 yards rushing and several touchdowns.

Johnny Utah
12-19-2005, 12:31 PM
Yup this year he's averaged 13 carries per game. What happens when he's asked to tote the rock 25-30 times?

We have a high priced RB who is constantly dinged up. The spectacular runs where he leaps and dives over people will in fact get him drilled in the NFL...he tries to leap over a Roy Williams, Lynch or Urlacher he'll end up in the cheap seats at the top of the stadium.

No one carries the ball that much. In Barry Sanders career he only averaged 20 rushes per game. Without White taking away his redzone carries, and with less breakaway TD's he'll average more touches in the Pros.

stevo3883
12-19-2005, 12:32 PM
He gets over 250 yards rushing and several touchdowns.

yeah and the sick part was he didnt need more than like 22 carries both times.

MorKnolle
12-19-2005, 12:39 PM
He gets over 250 yards rushing and several touchdowns.

There have only been three games this whole year in which any RB rushed for 200+ yards, Tiki Barber twice (206 v. Was and 220 v. KC) and Larry Johnson once (211 @ Hou). Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James, Rudi Johnson, Warrick Dunn, LaDanian Tomlinson, Clinton Portis, and every other RB in the league don't have any. Bush will never get 250 rushing yards in a single NFL game, especially as a rookie.

yeah and the sick part was he didnt need more than like 22 carries both times.

We are talking about NFL defenses, not Pac-10 defenses.

tulexan
12-19-2005, 04:53 PM
I was simply stating a fact. When he has received around 25 carries he has had 260 yards and 298 yards. I never said that he will be getting 250 yards when he carries the ball 25 times in the NFL. But I wouldn't say that he will never get 250 yards because you don't know. Nobody knows. You're right only three times this year has someone rushed for over 200 yards. Twice by a "smallish back" might I add. But running over 200 is something that is not completely uncommon. Clinton Portis did it 2 years ago. LaDainian Tomlinson did it twice in one year 2 years ago. Rudi Johnson did it last year. Jamal Lewis did it twice in one year 2 years ago. Ahman Green did it 2 years ago. Curtis Martin did it in 2000. Tiki Barber in addition to the two times this year did it 3 years ago. Edgerrin James did it last year and in 2000. Ricky Williams did it twice in back to back weeks 3 years ago.

MorKnolle
12-19-2005, 05:34 PM
I was simply stating a fact. When he has received around 25 carries he has had 260 yards and 298 yards. I never said that he will be getting 250 yards when he carries the ball 25 times in the NFL. But I wouldn't say that he will never get 250 yards because you don't know. Nobody knows. You're right only three times this year has someone rushed for over 200 yards. Twice by a "smallish back" might I add. But running over 200 is something that is not completely uncommon. Clinton Portis did it 2 years ago. LaDainian Tomlinson did it twice in one year 2 years ago. Rudi Johnson did it last year. Jamal Lewis did it twice in one year 2 years ago. Ahman Green did it 2 years ago. Curtis Martin did it in 2000. Tiki Barber in addition to the two times this year did it 3 years ago. Edgerrin James did it last year and in 2000. Ricky Williams did it twice in back to back weeks 3 years ago.

I know it happens but your previous post made it sound like Bush will regularly be getting 250 yards if we give him 25 carries a game so that's why I pointed out that it has only been done three times this year.

stevo3883
12-19-2005, 05:35 PM
We are talking about NFL defenses, not Pac-10 defenses.

who is we?

nobody mentioned anything about Nfl vs. Pac 10 defenses.

real
12-19-2005, 06:09 PM
We are talking about NFL defenses, not Pac-10 defenses.[/QUOTE]


Everyone is saying college this, college that...Aren't all of the players coming out of college...What else do we have to judge them on other than what we have seen which is college ball...If he is the best at what he does in college, it's not too far fetched of people to think that he will suceed in the pros.

real
12-19-2005, 06:11 PM
We are talking about NFL defenses, not Pac-10 defenses.


Everyone is saying college this, college that...Aren't all of the players coming out of college...What else do we have to judge them on other than what we have seen which is college ball...If he is the best at what he does in college, it's not too far fetched of people to think that he will suceed in the pros.

ArlingtonTexan
12-19-2005, 06:27 PM
Yup this year he's averaged 13 carries per game. What happens when he's asked to tote the rock 25-30 times?

We have a high priced RB who is constantly dinged up. The spectacular runs where he leaps and dives over people will in fact get him drilled in the NFL...he tries to leap over a Roy Williams, Lynch or Urlacher he'll end up in the cheap seats at the top of the stadium.

Honestly, 13-15 carries with 5 or 6 catches in space is what a team should be angling to get out of Reggie Bush in his first couple of years. What makes him the overhyped or special guy is his ability to do multiple things and break big plays because of mismatches.

Anybody asking him to line-up behind the QB and be a mule does not understand the player that they are drafting.

tulexan
12-19-2005, 06:39 PM
I know it happens but your previous post made it sound like Bush will regularly be getting 250 yards if we give him 25 carries a game so that's why I pointed out that it has only been done three times this year.

I don't think I ever said that or even implied that. Someone said what happens to this guy when he gets 25-30 carries in a game and I said that he gets over 250 yards and a few touchdowns. Both facts which are true. I never said that he will do that in the NFL because that is a ridiculous statement.

HJam72
12-19-2005, 06:44 PM
Well, I don't know where you guys are getting all of this. What really matters is what he can do against the local HS team. :tv:

Wolf
12-19-2005, 06:56 PM
Yeah and as much as people complain about Carr .. senior season he was 344-533 4,839 yards .645% ..48 tds and 9 ints..

http://gobulldogs.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/carr_david00.html


I am not hating on Carr but funny how people love Carr and bash him now with the Texans... Would Bush really have stellar numbers with the Texans at this point? (and yes depending on our FA pickups and rest of the draft)

real
12-19-2005, 06:59 PM
Reggie Bush will ball where ever he goes....

texplayer2
12-19-2005, 10:23 PM
Yup this year he's averaged 13 carries per game. What happens when he's asked to tote the rock 25-30 times?

We have a high priced RB who is constantly dinged up. The spectacular runs where he leaps and dives over people will in fact get him drilled in the NFL...he tries to leap over a Roy Williams, Lynch or Urlacher he'll end up in the cheap seats at the top of the stadium.

Fact is the entire offense at USC shouldn't be allowed to play college football. They scored 4 TDS on 8 plays in about a minute and a half against the Razorbacks of the mighty SEC. What that means is the first team is usually not on the field after Halftime, plus he does share carries with White which makes his yardage even more impressive. In the big games this year he was lights out good, which means he gets up for the good competition. The man has been training with LT and says he had to double his workout to keep up.(willing to do what it takes to be good). I don't think he is the type of runner people will be able to just load up and drill.(Elusive!) We might not get him, but he will go #1, 13 carry Avg.:rolleyes: and all.

texplayer2
12-19-2005, 10:34 PM
who is we?

nobody mentioned anything about Nfl vs. Pac 10 defenses.

Now NFL Defenses vs Pac 10 offenses would be a good discussion.:yahoo: :redtowel: :yahoo:

run-david-run
12-19-2005, 11:36 PM
I think Bush will suceed in the NFL and be very valuable, but that dosnt matter when your QB is on the gound after 2 seconds.

DRAFT A LINEMAN!!!!

MorKnolle
12-20-2005, 10:15 AM
This was stated first:
Yup this year he's averaged 13 carries per game. What happens when he's asked to tote the rock 25-30 times?

We have a high priced RB who is constantly dinged up. The spectacular runs where he leaps and dives over people will in fact get him drilled in the NFL...he tries to leap over a Roy Williams, Lynch or Urlacher he'll end up in the cheap seats at the top of the stadium.

Then:He gets over 250 yards rushing and several touchdowns.
yeah and the sick part was he didnt need more than like 22 carries both times.

The original post pointed out that he averages 13 carries per game in college and poses the question what will happen when he has to carry the ball 25-30 times a game (presumably next year in the NFL since he mentioned doing that against NFL defenses). Then Tulexan pointed out that he gets over 250 yards and several TDs (obviously in college) and Stevo pointed out those stats were done on 22 carries (likewise in college). I was under the impression from the original post (maybe I was wrong) that Frills was stating that Bush's health has held up with only 13 carries a game this year against college defenses and was pondering how his body would hold up next year with 25-30 carries a game against NFL defenses, so that's why I made my statement about the NFL defenses and such. Does that clear up the confusion?

Huge
12-20-2005, 05:12 PM
I think the confusion started when it was implied he'd have to carry the ball 25-30 times a game.

Why would he have to carry the ball that many times? Emmitt Smith is the all-time leader in rush attempts and he averaged just under 20 carries a game. I believe Jamaal Anderson has the season record at 410 carries (25.6 per game).

I highly doubt anybody has plans to run Bush (or any other RB) this much. Especially if he goes to San Francisco (Frank Gore) or Houston (D. Davis) where he'd have a teammate that can share the load.

MorKnolle
12-20-2005, 07:22 PM
I think the confusion started when it was implied he'd have to carry the ball 25-30 times a game.

Why would he have to carry the ball that many times? Emmitt Smith is the all-time leader in rush attempts and he averaged just under 20 carries a game. I believe Jamaal Anderson has the season record at 410 carries (25.6 per game).

I highly doubt anybody has plans to run Bush (or any other RB) this much. Especially if he goes to San Francisco (Frank Gore) or Houston (D. Davis) where he'd have a teammate that can share the load.

True he wouldn't be able to average 25-30 carries a game, although there would definitely be times in which he would end up carrying the ball 30 times in one game, and I think that's what they were questioning, how his body would hold up and respond to that.

Huge
12-20-2005, 09:46 PM
If he'd have to do it from time to time, I doubt there's a problem. It certainly wouldn't factor into my decision of whether or not I'd draft him. There's questions about any RB that is asked to carry the ball that much. It's why it's always brought up (Ricky Williams with Miami a couple of years ago, Julius Jones last year, Carnel Williams earlier this year, etc.) when it happens with any RB.

Basically, I don't think it's an issue. With Bush or any other RB.

gg no re
12-20-2005, 10:28 PM
It was an issue with Cadillac/Carnel earlier this season.

texplayer2
12-20-2005, 10:37 PM
If he'd have to do it from time to time, I doubt there's a problem. It certainly wouldn't factor into my decision of whether or not I'd draft him. There's questions about any RB that is asked to carry the ball that much. It's why it's always brought up (Ricky Williams with Miami a couple of years ago, Julius Jones last year, Carnel Williams earlier this year, etc.) when it happens with any RB.

Basically, I don't think it's an issue. With Bush or any other RB.

I would say Earl Campbell style runner would show more ware on # of carries. That guy was a punisher, but he didn't last long. Reggie will smash when he has little choice, but he is more elusive and speed than straight power.

ledzeppelin229
12-20-2005, 10:43 PM
The thing about Bush is we could probably put him out in the slot quite a bit and those RB routes out of the backfield would suddenly become much more dangerous for defenses to control. It would be impossible to expect anyone but a DB to cover him.

Huge
12-21-2005, 11:12 AM
It was an issue with Cadillac/Carnel earlier this season.
How so?

Txn_in_Oki
12-21-2005, 12:06 PM
The thing about Bush is we could probably put him out in the slot quite a bit and those RB routes out of the backfield would suddenly become much more dangerous for defenses to control. It would be impossible to expect anyone but a DB to cover him.

Isn't that where his value is? I don't understand why people are getting wrapped up about size and how many carries he has. What makes this guy's value so high is that he can do so much. He's a threat, and a big threat at that.

Screw it, draft him and get an OL later on. I think I'll officially buy into the hype now. What's the worst that can happen? We get the #1 pick again in '07?

:redtowel: REGGIE!!! :redtowel:

Bubbajwp
12-21-2005, 12:09 PM
He only gets 13 carries because he doesn't mess around with 5 yard gains, he puts it in the end zone and sits down.
best post I have ever seen.

Coach C.
12-21-2005, 12:23 PM
How so?

The more a RB carries the ball the more wear and tear is put upon him. Caddy ran the ball an average of 29.3 times in his first 3 games and was hurt and winded. He then missed 3 games due to these injuries. Caddy is about the same size as reggie Bush and I doubt anyone wants to run him that much because the same would happen to him. I doubt Reggie Bush will average anything over 18 carries a game. He will get 25-30 touches though much like Marshal Faulk, but like Faulk the more he is used the more he will break down.

Bubbajwp
12-21-2005, 01:21 PM
Reggie Bush doesnt need to carry the ball more than 13 times a game to be effective. He will still be splitting carries with Davis, Wells, Morency. He will also play a big role as a WR. So you can add another 5 or so touches. That means Bush would still be getting the ball around 20 times a game atleast. Also he isnt going to be running inbetween the tackles very often wich will also decrease the wear and tear. He just needs to keep his feet on the ground alittle more in the NFL.

I would also like to add the drafting bush would potentialy one of the most dangerous offenses in the league with AJ, Jerome Mathis, Reggie Bush. I dont think any defenses have enough speed to keep up with those guys.
Ofcourse we have to be able to get them the ball.

Texas_Thrill
12-21-2005, 02:22 PM
I mean I"m soooo glad we don't just judge all players by what conference they play in.


If that's the case you'd never have seen the likes of Steve McNair, Aeneas Williams, Jerry Rice, Kenny Houston, or Walter Payton.

But hey what do I know? Its only the PAC-10....whatever the hell that means.

gg no re
12-21-2005, 02:27 PM
Those guys didn't have to compete with other studs for gameplanning from opponent coaches.

They were.... an army of one.

Xman
12-21-2005, 03:26 PM
I WAS (and have been for a couple of years) of the thought that we shoudl trade down. The logic is simple, trade down for a lot of picks, build in the same manner as the Patriots - lots of 2nd and 3rd rd picks. But, Casserly has blown those picks anyway. The only "valuable" players we have are our #1 picks and possibly some of our lower picks.

BUT - after watching Bush, you gotta pick this guy. He is the closest thing to a Bo Jackson to come out in a while (highest rated college rb since Dickerson?).
IF we blow it by beating SanFran - then we should go after Ferguson to repair the offensive line. OR, if we get Bush, I would add a lot to our 2nd round pick to move up and take one of the other top rated offensive tackles in this draft (5 stud OTs to go in the 1st round - D'Brickashaw Ferguson 6-5, 296 Virginia, Marcus McNeill 6-8, 322 Auburn, Eric Winston 6-6, 310 Miami, Jonathan Scott 6-7, 310 Texas, Ryan O'Callaghan 6-7, 365 California). And by a lot, would offer picks and players but would ike to dump players like Walker/Robaire/Wade whoe ar high dollar low output players.

My suggestion for primary offensive set after drafting Bush:
Line Bush up in the backfield behind a fullback and Andre out wide - whether we add 2 WRs or 2 TEs or any combo in between (depending upon the talent we can add) won't matter much. The FB could block for Carr while Bush would be a huge receiving threat coming out of the backfield or block when Bush runs - either way he would be a home run threat every time.

gg no re
12-21-2005, 05:32 PM
Why do people always say he's "can't miss"?

Someone is a can't miss every year.

Most "can't miss" turn out to be "wouldn't have minded if we missed." Some become "should have missed." Not all "can't miss" become "glad we didn't miss."

I'll tell you what's a true "can't miss." This great deal on Chevrolet Suburbans! It's the end of the year event, and if you miss out on this special sale, you won't be able to get Chevrolet Suburbans at this special low price for the rest of the year!

Bubbajwp
12-21-2005, 07:25 PM
He is a cant miss because if you did miss him and he turned out to be the player everybody expected him to be you would be held responsible escpecially by the fans.

gg no re
12-21-2005, 07:47 PM
You're not explaining the reason clear enough, because all you did is restate the argument.

I rank your rhetoric a catostrophic success.

swtbound07
12-21-2005, 11:16 PM
does any other 18-36 year old male tremble a little bit every time the words "bush" and "draft" are mentioned in the same sentence? or is that just me......

MorKnolle
12-22-2005, 10:09 AM
I WAS (and have been for a couple of years) of the thought that we shoudl trade down. The logic is simple, trade down for a lot of picks, build in the same manner as the Patriots - lots of 2nd and 3rd rd picks. But, Casserly has blown those picks anyway. The only "valuable" players we have are our #1 picks and possibly some of our lower picks.

BUT - after watching Bush, you gotta pick this guy. He is the closest thing to a Bo Jackson to come out in a while (highest rated college rb since Dickerson?).
IF we blow it by beating SanFran - then we should go after Ferguson to repair the offensive line. OR, if we get Bush, I would add a lot to our 2nd round pick to move up and take one of the other top rated offensive tackles in this draft (5 stud OTs to go in the 1st round - D'Brickashaw Ferguson 6-5, 296 Virginia, Marcus McNeill 6-8, 322 Auburn, Eric Winston 6-6, 310 Miami, Jonathan Scott 6-7, 310 Texas, Ryan O'Callaghan 6-7, 365 California). And by a lot, would offer picks and players but would ike to dump players like Walker/Robaire/Wade whoe ar high dollar low output players.

My suggestion for primary offensive set after drafting Bush:
Line Bush up in the backfield behind a fullback and Andre out wide - whether we add 2 WRs or 2 TEs or any combo in between (depending upon the talent we can add) won't matter much. The FB could block for Carr while Bush would be a huge receiving threat coming out of the backfield or block when Bush runs - either way he would be a home run threat every time.

I see several problems with this plan, other than the usual fallacious "Bush is an automatic TD" thing. I'll keep it short with the top 3 problems I see and not get into disagreeing with the Bush nonsense because I've grown tired of posting such things.

1) Bo Jackson was a totally different type of runner, he was freakishly athletic but ran with a lot of power too which Bush does not.

2) Bush is not the highest rated college RB since Dickerson, that would put him above many far superior RBs, like Barry Sanders for example. I posted a comparison of their stats on one of these threads and they are not even close.

3) We can't trade Walker or Wade like you mentioned in your high dollar/low output statement because we would incur huge cap hits for each, not to mention neither of them probably have a particularly high trade value given their age and expensive contracts. We had posted a thread a couple weeks ago about the contract situation of all our players, so read up on that before saying we can trade anyone just to fulfill a certain plan. This is the real NFL here and some deals like that are just not possible. Robaire has been our best DL this year and is still pretty young so there's no reason to trade him.

He is a cant miss because if you did miss him and he turned out to be the player everybody expected him to be you would be held responsible escpecially by the fans.

How is this different than with any player in the draft? 31 teams passed on Tom Brady 6 different times in the draft and you can say that about every player that ends up succeeding in the NFL, that's why the draft is a gamble.

does any other 18-36 year old male tremble a little bit every time the words "bush" and "draft" are mentioned in the same sentence? or is that just me......

You might want to have that condition checked out because that sounds like a serious problem.

Texas_Thrill
12-23-2005, 08:46 AM
When I hear bush and draft in the same sentence....I think


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