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tulexan
12-19-2005, 10:08 AM
Charley Casserly was just on Cold Pizza. He was asked directly about Reggie Bush which of course he said that he isn't allowed to talk about undeclared underclassmen. But he did say that he felt the second pick may be more valuable than the first purely for trade reasons because neither San Francisco or the Texans need a quarterback and that Matt Leinart will generate a lot of interest from other teams.

He said that David Carr is going to be the Texans quarterback and that they are just working out some technical issues on the contract extension right now and it should be done in the next few weeks.

He was then asked about what he felt the biggest needs for the Texans will be in the draft and the offseason. He said that offensively they need playmakers since they only have a few (Davis, Johnson, Carr). Defensively, he said that they have a lot of young players and would like for them to develop and work together. But they will also look to supplement them with more young players in the draft.

Take it for what it's worth, but it sounds like if the Texans remain at the #1 position they will in fact draft Reggie Bush.

texan279
12-19-2005, 10:12 AM
Sounds to me that he could be interested in trading down from the #2 spot. I seriously doubt now that we end up with the #1 pick.

tulexan
12-19-2005, 10:15 AM
Yeah if we have the #2, expect us to trade down. But right now I don't think we can even get to the #2 unless the Saints, Jets, and Packers win games. We will either have #1 or #5.

TheOgre
12-19-2005, 11:02 AM
I'd love to see the Packers win tonight.

MorKnolle
12-19-2005, 12:07 PM
Charley Casserly was just on Cold Pizza. He was asked directly about Reggie Bush which of course he said that he isn't allowed to talk about undeclared underclassmen. But he did say that he felt the second pick may be more valuable than the first purely for trade reasons because neither San Francisco or the Texans need a quarterback and that Matt Leinart will generate a lot of interest from other teams.

He said that David Carr is going to be the Texans quarterback and that they are just working out some technical issues on the contract extension right now and it should be done in the next few weeks.

He was then asked about what he felt the biggest needs for the Texans will be in the draft and the offseason. He said that offensively they need playmakers since they only have a few (Davis, Johnson, Carr). Defensively, he said that they have a lot of young players and would like for them to develop and work together. But they will also look to supplement them with more young players in the draft.

Take it for what it's worth, but it sounds like if the Texans remain at the #1 position they will in fact draft Reggie Bush.

He said Davis was a playmaker, which I take to mean that we will not blow the #1 overall and $50 million on bringing in his backup at RB. If we have #1 we can entertain offers from other teams but trade down to #2 and pick up a draft pick in there and then trade down from there to pick up more. I really don't see the Texans drafting Bush even if they are at #1, and that's not just my personal opinion but what I've gathered from hearing from them.

real
12-19-2005, 01:09 PM
but he said they needed more playmakers on offense

edo783
12-19-2005, 01:29 PM
but he said they needed more playmakers on offense

YUP, and the duffus never mentioned anything about either line needing help. Lord help us if he is still around to pick during the draft.

Jack Bauer
12-19-2005, 01:30 PM
YUP, and the duffus never mentioned anything about either line needing help. Lord help us if he is still around to pick during the draft.

I can't fathom Casserly still being here come draft time. If he is, :challenge

tulexan
12-19-2005, 01:48 PM
He said Davis was a playmaker, which I take to mean that we will not blow the #1 overall and $50 million on bringing in his backup at RB. If we have #1 we can entertain offers from other teams but trade down to #2 and pick up a draft pick in there and then trade down from there to pick up more. I really don't see the Texans drafting Bush even if they are at #1, and that's not just my personal opinion but what I've gathered from hearing from them.


You're right, why would I think that when he said that we need more playmakers on offense and we have the chance to draft the best playmaker in the college football that we would pass him up?

Sarg01
12-19-2005, 01:59 PM
Yeah if we have the #2, expect us to trade down. But right now I don't think we can even get to the #2 unless the Saints, Jets, and Packers win games. We will either have #1 or #5.

After the games this weekend, we're up 2 on the Packers strength of schedule and have a chance of being even with the Saints if Green Bay wins tonight (which would also improve the Pack to 4-wins). They're playing 4-win Baltimore, so there's a real chance.

The only sub-4-win team skunking us in the tiebreak is the Jets.

MorKnolle
12-19-2005, 02:42 PM
but he said they needed more playmakers on offense

You're right, why would I think that when he said that we need more playmakers on offense and we have the chance to draft the best playmaker in the college football that we would pass him up?

We wouldn't need to spend that high of a draft pick and so much money on a playmaker at a position that we already have a playmaker. We could use another one at WR (although Mathis should start becoming more of a threat at WR next year) but likewise you don't spend $50 million and a #1 pick on a WR. It won't happen, the Texans will not draft Bush.

HomeBred_Texan
12-19-2005, 03:43 PM
I saw an interview with Charlie this morning on Cold Pizza, did anyone else see it?

Basically, what he says is, we have no intentions of drafting a QB in next year as the owner likes Carr and he will be resigned. He said he couldnt talk about R Bush because he is a jr and prohibited by rules. This win was a big step forward and that if we do not get the #1 pick in the draft, look for trades to be made.

Kaiser Toro
12-19-2005, 03:45 PM
I saw an interview with Charlie this morning on Cold Pizza, did anyone else see it?

Basically, what he says is, we have no intentions of drafting a QB in next year as the owner likes Carr and he will be resigned. He said he couldnt talk about R Bush because he is a jr and prohibited by rules. This win was a big step forward and that if we do not get the #1 pick in the draft, look for trades to be made.

there was thread started in another forum on this one.

Double Barrel
12-19-2005, 04:01 PM
Hate to rain on anyone's parade, but I seriously doubt we get the no. 1 pick.

And if the no. 2 pick is that valuable, then I hope we see some wheeling and dealing for it. We've got a lot of holes to fill, and the more picks the merrier, IMO.

beerlover
12-19-2005, 04:01 PM
just yet another example of driving down bargaining power :brickwall why on earth would we show our hand, holding a valuable, tradable commodity this is economics 101. I'd say if we have the #2 pick (doubtfull) the Texans select Leinart, then see how serious some of these teams really are. worse case scenero we have a QB controversey/competition and a new franchise QB in either two or three years depending on the length & tradeablity of Carr's new contract.

texan279
12-19-2005, 04:05 PM
just yet another example of driving down bargaining power :brickwall why on earth would we show our hand, holding a valuable, tradable commodity this is economics 101. I'd say if we have the #2 pick (doubtfull) the Texans select Leinart, then see how serious some of these teams really are. worse case scenero we have a QB controversey/competition and a new franchise QB in either two or three years depending on the length & tradeablity of Carr's new contract.

So you are saying if we re-sign Carr for 2 or 3 years and pay him the $8 mil or whatever it is, we should pick Leinhart?:um:

Kaiser Toro
12-19-2005, 04:06 PM
just yet another example of driving down bargaining power :brickwall why on earth would we show our hand, holding a valuable, tradable commodity this is economics 101. I'd say if we have the #2 pick (doubtfull) the Texans select Leinart, then see how serious some of these teams really are. worse case scenero we have a QB controversey/competition and a new franchise QB in either two or three years depending on the length & tradeablity of Carr's new contract.

I do not want to discount the practice you are preaching. But I do not see the value in having all of that money tied up in a QB, even if we got rid of Carr.

beerlover
12-19-2005, 05:24 PM
I do not want to discount the practice you are preaching. But I do not see the value in having all of that money tied up in a QB, even if we got rid of Carr.

its worked well for San Diego & gives you a bargaining chip, ace in the hole plus insurance. the point is reaching a trade scenero that best benifits the franchise from a buisness stand point. Top dollars usually go to QB's not RB's anyway, unless your a premium back like Reggie Bush.

bigcarlos
12-19-2005, 06:21 PM
That interview might have been for nothing. Hopefully Casserly will be gone the day after our season is over. maybe Cold pizza couldnt get anyone to interview.:)

big homey
12-19-2005, 06:22 PM
just yet another example of driving down bargaining power :brickwall why on earth would we show our hand, holding a valuable, tradable commodity this is economics 101. I'd say if we have the #2 pick (doubtfull) the Texans select Leinart, then see how serious some of these teams really are. worse case scenero we have a QB controversey/competition and a new franchise QB in either two or three years depending on the length & tradeablity of Carr's new contract.

The Texans could still have leverage because more than one team will be gunning for Leinart, and they will try to get a leg up on each other.

royce1054
12-19-2005, 08:59 PM
first of all if we draft 1st which is slim chance now. I dont see how we could possibly lose to SF. Personally we shouldn't even be worrying about the 1st pick. If McNair is talking about drafting Bush #1 then he must have a plan for signing some big name OL FA's. Which prob means overpaying. Either that or hes trying to throw off other teams to his intentions. Now back to the real situations. Leinhart going #2. I think we could add Oakland to the list of Det, Balt, NYJ. If we pick 3rd and Bush and Leinhart are already gone then it becomes who want D Williams, Ahmad Brooks, AJ Hawk. I think its still way too early for a D brick sighting. There is also Jimmy Williams CB from Va Tech in which it also might be kinda early for him too. So its to be seen wheither we beath Jacksonville or not before we can really target our draft location.

tulexan
12-19-2005, 09:07 PM
Well if we do actually lose to San Fran we aren't going to be picking 2nd or 3rd. We will be probably picking 5th because our SOS is higher than the Jets, Packers, and Saints. I'm still not convinced that we will beat the Niners or that the Niners will lose to the Rams. The Niners are a very tough team at home and have a pretty good defense.

royce1054
12-19-2005, 09:27 PM
Well if we do actually lose to San Fran we aren't going to be picking 2nd or 3rd. We will be probably picking 5th because our SOS is higher than the Jets, Packers, and Saints. I'm still not convinced that we will beat the Niners or that the Niners will lose to the Rams. The Niners are a very tough team at home and have a pretty good defense.


You must mean win. The 9ers will lose. Bc if we lose to both Jack and 9ers then we pick 1st. THe 9ers will find a way. See now picking #5 means D brick is now a very interesting option. If we win 4 games we might not even be in the top 8 depinding on Jacksonville game... soo... Until i see an updated draft order which i dont have enough time with my portfolio due tomarrow to spend time on it then i cant even think about trades or who goes where yet.

MorKnolle
12-20-2005, 10:01 AM
first of all if we draft 1st which is slim chance now. I dont see how we could possibly lose to SF. Personally we shouldn't even be worrying about the 1st pick. If McNair is talking about drafting Bush #1 then he must have a plan for signing some big name OL FA's. Which prob means overpaying. Either that or hes trying to throw off other teams to his intentions. Now back to the real situations. Leinhart going #2. I think we could add Oakland to the list of Det, Balt, NYJ. If we pick 3rd and Bush and Leinhart are already gone then it becomes who want D Williams, Ahmad Brooks, AJ Hawk. I think its still way too early for a D brick sighting. There is also Jimmy Williams CB from Va Tech in which it also might be kinda early for him too. So its to be seen wheither we beath Jacksonville or not before we can really target our draft location.

Brooks and Hawk will not go at #3, LaVar Arrington (#2) is the only LB in the last 8 years to be taken ahead of the #9 pick, LBs just don't go that high unless they are a freak of nature and neither of them are. I'm not saying they're not the best LBs in the draft or that they are worse players than the people taken in front of them, but LBs just don't go very high in the draft.

run-david-run
12-20-2005, 11:08 AM
just yet another example of driving down bargaining power :brickwall why on earth would we show our hand, holding a valuable, tradable commodity this is economics 101. I'd say if we have the #2 pick (doubtfull) the Texans select Leinart, then see how serious some of these teams really are. worse case scenero we have a QB controversey/competition and a new franchise QB in either two or three years depending on the length & tradeablity of Carr's new contract.
We would get trade ofers not because teams think we will pick Leinart, but beacuse teams further down dont want the teams below us to pick him. The only way to stop that would be to trade with us because if we are at # 2

royce1054
12-20-2005, 11:00 PM
Brooks and Hawk will not go at #3, LaVar Arrington (#2) is the only LB in the last 8 years to be taken ahead of the #9 pick, LBs just don't go that high unless they are a freak of nature and neither of them are. I'm not saying they're not the best LBs in the draft or that they are worse players than the people taken in front of them, but LBs just don't go very high in the draft.


Well what i was implying was our possiblities at the #3 draft spot. Obcourse we can trade down from the #3 pick

Texans86
12-21-2005, 03:17 PM
just yet another example of driving down bargaining power :brickwall why on earth would we show our hand, holding a valuable, tradable commodity this is economics 101. I'd say if we have the #2 pick (doubtfull) the Texans select Leinart, then see how serious some of these teams really are. worse case scenero we have a QB controversey/competition and a new franchise QB in either two or three years depending on the length & tradeablity of Carr's new contract.

If you followed the draft two years ago when San Diego drafted Eli Manning and then traded him to New York you would understand the difficulty in drafting Leinart and then trading him to "x"-team. Even though Phillip Rivers was technically picked 4th and traded to the team that picked first, he demanded getting paid like a 1st pick. This kept him out of trading camp and eventually lost him the starting job to Drew Brees. The Chargers lucked out in Brees finally turning things around, but I don't think we would want to take that chance.