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Goldeagle
12-18-2005, 08:41 PM
Rate them on the typical John McLaine scale of A great to F (bad)

Daivd Carr:

Dominick Davis:
Jonathan Wells:
Moran Norris:
Verand Morency:

Andre Johnson:
Jabar Gaffney:
Corey Bradford:
Jerome Mathis:
Derrik Armstrong:

Chester Pitts:
Zack Weigert:
Steve McKenney:
Fred Weary:
Todd Wade:
Todd Washington:
Drew Hodgen:

Jerry Deloach:
gary Walker:
Seth Payne
Junior Ione (sp?):
Travis Johnson:
Robaire Smith:

Deshon polk:
Antwan Peek:
Morlon Greenwood:
Kailee Wong:
Jason Babin:
Shantee Orr:

Dunta Robinson:
Phillip Buchanan:
Demarcus Faggins:
Jason Bell:
Lewis Sanders:

CC Brown:
Mark Coleman:
Glenn Earl:
Jason Simmons:


Kris Brown:
Chad Stanley:

Dom Capers:
Charlie Casserly

Goldeagle
12-18-2005, 08:48 PM
Daivd Carr: C-

Dominick Davis: B
Jonathan Wells:B
Moran Norris: D
Verand Morency: D+

Andre Johnson: B
Jabar Gaffney: B
Corey Bradford: D-
Jerome Mathis: B
Derrik Armstrong: C

Chester Pitts: B
Zack Weigert:C-
Steve McKenney: D
Fred Weary: F
Todd Wade: F
Todd Washington: D
Drew Hodgen: C

Jerry Deloach: D
gary Walker: B
Seth Payne: C
Junior Ione (sp?): D
Travis Johnson: C-
Robaire Smith: C

Deshon polk: C
Antwan Peek: D+
Morlon Greenwood: D-
Kailee Wong: D
Jason Babin: D-
Shantee Orr: C

Dunta Robinson: C+
Phillip Buchanan: F
Demarcus Faggins: C
Jason Bell: C
Lewis Sanders: C

CC Brown: C-
Mark Coleman: D
Glenn Earl: C-
Jason Simmons: C-


Kris Brown: B-
Chad Stanley: B

Dom Capers: D
Charlie Casserly: F

Runner
12-18-2005, 08:51 PM
I'd like to, but I'm still recovering from the "you are the GM" thread from last week.

stevo3883
12-18-2005, 09:04 PM
Daivd Carr: C-

Dominick Davis: B
Jonathan Wells:C
Moran Norris: D-
Verand Morency: D+

Andre Johnson: A
Jabar Gaffney: C
Corey Bradford: D-
Jerome Mathis: B
Derrik Armstrong: D

Chester Pitts: B
Zack Weigert:C-
Steve McKenney: D
Fred Weary: F
Todd Wade: F
Todd Washington: D
Drew Hodgen: C+

Jerry Deloach: D
gary Walker: B-
Seth Payne: C+
Junior Ione (sp?): F
Travis Johnson: D-
Robaire Smith: C+

Deshon polk: C+
Antwan Peek: D-
Morlon Greenwood: D-
Kailee Wong: D+
Jason Babin: D-
Shantee Orr: C+

Dunta Robinson: B+
Phillip Buchanan: F-------
Demarcus Faggins: C-
Jason Bell: D-
Lewis Sanders: D-

CC Brown: C-
Mark Coleman: D-
Glenn Earl: D
Jason Simmons: D-


Kris Brown: B-
Chad Stanley: B

Dom Capers: D
Charlie Casserly F

Nighthawk
12-18-2005, 09:29 PM
Rate them on the typical John McLaine scale of A great to F (bad)

Daivd Carr:C-

Dominick Davis:B
Jonathan Wells:C-
Moran Norris:C-
Verand Morency:D

Andre Johnson:B+
Jabar Gaffney:C+
Corey Bradford:C-
Jerome Mathis:A-
Derrik Armstrong:B

Chester Pitts:C+
Zack Weigert:C
Steve McKenney:C
Fred Weary:
Todd Wade:
Todd Washington:
Drew Hodgen:

Jerry Deloach:
gary Walker:C+
Seth Payne: C+
Junior Ione (sp?):
Travis Johnson:
Robaire Smith:C

Deshon polk:
Antwan Peek:
Morlon Greenwood:
Kailee Wong:
Jason Babin:
Shantee Orr:

Dunta Robinson:
Phillip Buchanan:
Demarcus Faggins:
Jason Bell:
Lewis Sanders:

CC Brown:
Mark Coleman:
Glenn Earl:
Jason Simmons:


Kris Brown:
Chad Stanley:

Dom Capers: F
Charlie Casserly: F

The rest of these guys are all Cs and Ds, for the most part. Too much trouble to grade 'em. Not really worth it.

axman40
12-18-2005, 09:47 PM
I run to the bank and clean out my checking account and savings !

:cool:

edo783
12-18-2005, 10:12 PM
Rate them on the typical John McLaine scale of A great to F (bad)

Daivd Carr: C (might be a LOT better, but who knows)

Dominick Davis: B
Jonathan Wells: C+
Moran Norris: B
Verand Morency: Only a C at this point, maybe better, but again, not
enough data.


Andre Johnson: B Probably better than a B, but can't really tell at this
point.

Jabar Gaffney: C
Corey Bradford: D-
Jerome Mathis: A- as a Kick returner, D as Punt Returner, C- as a WR
Can't really tell yet a WR, but has dropped several tosses to
him. Might be a Lot better, but can't tell at this point.

Derrik Armstrong: C+ Might be better, but not used enough to be sure.

Chester Pitts: B+
Zack Weigert: B when healthy, but that isn't often
Steve McKenney: B as a LG, but only a C- as a Center
Fred Weary: D
Todd Wade: C-
Todd Washington: D
Drew Hodgen: C, might be better just not enough data yet.

Jerry Deloach: C
gary Walker: B+ when healthy, but again that isn't offten enough.
Seth Payne: B
Junior Ione (sp?): C
Travis Johnson: C, very likely better, to soone to tell
Robaire Smith: B and seems to be getting better

Deshon polk: C
Antwan Peek: C, to many loose parts to his game
Morlon Greenwood: C+
Kailee Wong: C+
Jason Babin: C, might be better than that, but an injury has slowed his
progression. Showed well today.

Shantee Orr: C+ and may be better. Seems to be progressing and may be a
real find.

Dunta Robinson: A, although he hasn't done as well this year (sophmore
thing?)

Phillip Buchanan: D as a DB MIGHT be a C+ as a punt returner, didn't see
that enough.

Demarcus Faggins: C
Jason Bell: C-
Lewis Sanders: ???? Not enough data points to make the call.

CC Brown: C+ and might be better.
Mark Coleman: D at this point in his career. Time to hang them up IMO.
Glenn Earl: C might be a real find, just to early to tell
Jason Simmons: C as a DB, B+ as a special teams player.


Kris Brown: B+
Chad Stanley: C+

Dom Capers: C-
Charlie Casserly: C-

Hervoyel
12-18-2005, 10:23 PM
This is a lie! I'm NOT Dan Reeves!

That's just some junk that other posters made up to try and discred...

Oh? Not "literally" Dan Reeves?

Sorry, nevermind.

royce1054
12-18-2005, 10:28 PM
Rate them on the typical John McLaine scale of A great to F (bad)

Daivd Carr: C

Dominick Davis: B
Jonathan Wells: C
Moran Norris: C
Verand Morency: B +

Andre Johnson: inc- C+
Jabar Gaffney: C
Corey Bradford: D
Jerome Mathis: A
Derrik Armstrong: C

Chester Pitts: C
Zack Weigert: D
Steve McKenney: D
Fred Weary: D
Todd Wade: D
Todd Washington: D
Drew Hodgen: INC

Jerry Deloach: D
gary Walker: C
Seth Payne C
Junior Ioune: C
Travis Johnson: C
Robaire Smith: B

Deshon polk: B
Antwan Peek: C
Morlon Greenwood: D
Kailee Wong: INC
Jason Babin: INC
Shantee Orr: B+

Dunta Robinson: B+
Phillip Buchanan: F
Demarcus Faggins: C
Jason Bell: C
Lewis Sanders: C

CC Brown: C+
Mark Coleman: F
Glenn Earl: C
Jason Simmons: C


Kris Brown: F
Chad Stanley: B

Dom Capers: F
Charlie Casserly F

There should be a grade lower than F so i can give it to Casserly maybe a Z-

YoungTexanFan
12-18-2005, 11:16 PM
Daivd Carr: b-

Dominick Davis: a
Jonathan Wells: a-
Moran Norris: a
Verand Morency: c-

Andre Johnson: b+
Jabar Gaffney: b
Corey Bradford: f
Jerome Mathis: b+
Derrik Armstrong: incomplete

Chester Pitts: b-
Zack Weigert: c+
Steve McKenney: d+
Fred Weary: D
Todd Wade: D-
Todd Washington: C-
Drew Hodgen: b-

Jerry Deloach: c
gary Walker: a-
Seth Payne: b+
Junior Ione (sp?): d
Travis Johnson: c-
Robaire Smith: b-

Deshon polk: a
Antwan Peek: b-
Morlon Greenwood: F
Kailee Wong: c
Jason Babin: b+
Shantee Orr: a-

Dunta Robinson: b+
Phillip Buchanan: b-
Demarcus Faggins: F
Jason Bell: d
Lewis Sanders: incomplete

CC Brown: a-
Mark Coleman: F
Glenn Earl: c
Jason Simmons:d


Kris Brown: d
Chad Stanley: a

Dom Capers: d+
Charlie Casserly: d-


please notice my two players in bold.

some guys i graded higher based on expectations or draft position.
some guys i graded lower for the same reasons as above.

SESupergenius
12-19-2005, 12:14 AM
Daivd Carr: B- (leads the team when given the chance)

Dominick Davis C: (gets hurt, can't block)
Jonathan Wells: C (no toughness)
Moran Norris: B (underutilized)
Verand Morency: B (underutilized)

Andre Johnson: B (still has a few kinks in his armor)
Jabar Gaffney: C (must be able to create)
Corey Bradford:F (bad hands, horrible smarts)
Jerome Mathis: C (stay healthy, why is he not the starter)
Derrik Armstrong: B (lost in the shuffle)

Chester Pitts:C (ok at LT, takes too long to develop)
Zack Weigert:C (veteran)
Steve McKenney:D (gets blown up too much)
Fred Weary: F (bad pick, no fire)
Todd Wade: F (weak and soft)
Todd Washington: C (when he's a center)
Drew Hodgen: B (didn't stay healthy, bit I liked what I saw)

Jerry Deloach: C (Journeyman, but veteran)
gary Walker: A (has been fired up this year)
Seth Payne C (not making an impact like a NT should)
Junior Ioane : C (backup)
Travis Johnson: D (still learning, but seems weak)
Robaire Smith: B (strong but lacks quickness)

Deshon polk: C (good job picking up, but not there yet)
Antwan Peek: D (handed the reigns but didn't deliver)
Morlon Greenwood: D (overhyped and overpaid)
Kailee Wong: B (LB unit leader, smart and versitile)
Jason Babin: B (rushed into position, but a force on pass downs)
Shantee Orr: B (great backup and borderline starter)

Dunta Robinson: A (gets burned from time to time, but great skills)
Phillip Buchanan: F (bust)
Demarcus Faggins: C (dimeback)
Jason Bell: D (special teamer)
Lewis Sanders: D (nothin special)

CC Brown: C (rookie, but learning)
Mark Coleman: D (out of position and lost his fire)
Glenn Earl: C (good against run, but weaker in pass)
Jason Simmons: C (special teamer)


Kris Brown: B (good kicker but....)
Chad Stanley: C (inconsistant)

Dom Capers: C (has made adjustments to fix problems, relies on friendship too much
Charlie Casserly F (Boselli, Hollings, Brown, etc.....)

stephen1
12-19-2005, 12:56 AM
Davis-A

Napa Auto Parts
12-19-2005, 12:58 AM
Daivd Carr: D- in four years hasnt showed he is cut up for the NFL sad but true regardless what anyone says.

Dominick Davis: C+ good back just cant stay healthy year round
Jonathan Wells: C Produces when given a chance
Moran Norris: C
Verand Morency: D havent seen enought to judge

Andre Johnson: B- Possibly and A with a good QB
Jabar Gaffney: C
Corey Bradford: F-
Jerome Mathis: D as a reciever B+ in special teams
Derrik Armstrong:

Chester Pitts: B
Zack Weigert: D
Steve McKenney: C
Fred Weary: D
Todd Wade: D
Todd Washington: D
Drew Hodgen: D

Jerry Deloach: D-
gary Walker: C+
Seth Payne C
Junior Ione (sp?):
Travis Johnson: C
Robaire Smith: C-

Deshon polk: D
Antwan Peek: D
Morlon Greenwood: C
Kailee Wong: C-
Jason Babin: D-
Shantee Orr: C+

Dunta Robinson: B+
Phillip Buchanan: F+
Demarcus Faggins:
Jason Bell: D
Lewis Sanders: D

CC Brown: C
Mark Coleman:F
Glenn Earl: C
Jason Simmons: D


Kris Brown: C+
Chad Stanley: B+

Dom Capers: F
Charlie Casserly F-

Bob Mcnair F For not getting rid of the coaching staff after our national showing in seatle.

non natural texan
12-19-2005, 02:23 AM
Daivd Carr: C, he would be better if protected properly

Dominick Davis: B-, he is what he is
Jonathan Wells: B
Moran Norris: B
Verand Morency: B

Andre Johnson: B-
Jabar Gaffney: C
Corey Bradford: C-
Jerome Mathis: D, reciever... Returner: A
Derrik Armstrong: C-

Chester Pitts: B
Zack Weigert: F
Steve McKenney: F+
Fred Weary: D
Todd Wade: F
Todd Washington: D
Drew Hodgen: C

Jerry Deloach:
gary Walker: C
Seth Payne: C+
Junior Ione (sp?): C
Travis Johnson: B, he'll get better
Robaire Smith: c+

Deshon polk: B, great job coming off the bench
Antwan Peek: C
Morlon Greenwood: C
Kailee Wong: C
Jason Babin: C-
Shantee Orr: B, same as Polk

Dunta Robinson: B+
Phillip Buchanan: F
Demarcus Faggins: C+, he would likely only be a starter here
Jason Bell: B
Lewis Sanders: B

CC Brown: B
Mark Coleman: D-
Glenn Earl: B
Jason Simmons: B


Kris Brown: B-
Chad Stanley: D+

Dom Capers: C-
Charlie Casserly: D+


A lot of the young guys get B's based on what they've shown thus far in their career... they will get better, unlike players such as Walker and Coleman who have shown all they have.

HJam72
12-19-2005, 02:45 AM
Here's how I do it:

Goldeagle: D (gave Moran Norris a D)

stevo3883: F (gave Norris a D, Orr a C+, and Brown a B-)

edo783: A- (shouldn't have given Buch a passing grade and maybe a little too hard on Orr)

YoungTexanFan: A (too hard on Brown and too easy on Peek)

SESupergenious(Linux is better) :) : B- (too hard on Davis, Wells, and Pitts. too easy on Capers)


Napa Auto Parts: 0- (too hard on everybody) (besides, you're an *****) :)

non natural Texan: C+ (too easy on Bradford and Capers, too hard on Weigert)

ccdude730
12-19-2005, 03:01 AM
YoungTexanFan needs to reevaluate his secondary grades :tiptoe:

HJam72
12-19-2005, 04:14 AM
YoungTexanFan needs to reevaluate his secondary grades :tiptoe:

Very true. I give myself an F. :bomb:

Grid
12-19-2005, 04:38 AM
Tough crowd.. but ill give it a shot.

Rate them on the typical John McLaine scale of A great to F (bad)

David Carr: C+ (Not bad enough to dump..not good enough to be happy about. need more time.)

Dominick Davis: A- (Has everything except durability)
Jonathan Wells: B (good backup)
Moran Norris: A (one of the best FBs in the league)
Verand Morency: C (has promise.. still a rookie though)

Andre Johnson: B+ (You can tell he has talent, just arent using him right)
Jabar Gaffney: B (great hands, great route runner. everyone cant be a star)
Corey Bradford: D (too one dimensional)
Jerome Mathis: B (Great KR... but can he be our #2?)
Derrik Armstrong: B (He hasnt been played enough. I cant give an A, and wont give him lower than a B because he has looked passingly good when he played)

Chester Pitts: A (hes a keeper)
Zack Weigert: D (for playing the easiest spot on the line.. hes weak)
Steve McKenney: B+ (We are misusing him. He is a great LG)
Fred Weary: F (bubye)
Todd Wade: D+ (costs too much. keep him as backup till you can cut him)
Todd Washington: F (if he cant take the C job from McKinney..he can go)
Drew Hodgen: B- (hope he isnt injury prone.. i liked what i saw)

Jerry Deloach: C (career backup... but teams need depth)
gary Walker: C (His time has passed.. time to replace him)
Seth Payne: B- (hes a GOOD DT.. but a playmaker up front MAKES the 3-4)
Junior Ioane: C+ (Another career backup)
Travis Johnson: B- (Shows some promise.. needs work)
Robaire Smith: B+ (Glad we got him. He is a quality starter)

Deshon polk: B (Polk and Wong may be our starting ILB next season)
Antwan Peek: B (Want to see what he can do with a different DC)
Morlon Greenwood: C+ (I like his coverage.. dont like much else)
Kailee Wong: B+ (quality starter.. i trust him to play hard and well)
Jason Babin: B (I see potential)
Shantee Orr: B+ (I think he could shine in a better system)

Dunta Robinson: A+ (hes a star)
Phillip Buchanan: D (hes a bum.. but he can be depth)
Demarcus Faggins: C+ (great NICKLE corner.. not so great starter)
Jason Bell: D+ (hes depth right now.. but I wouldnt miss him if he left)
Lewis Sanders: C (more depth.. we really need a solid #2)

CC Brown: B (I think hes gonna be a starter for this team for a while)
Mark Coleman: D- (after this season.. im ready for him to go)
Glenn Earl: B (CC Brown and Earl look good at the saftey spots)
Jason Simmons: B- (what a hitter.. great great depth)


Kris Brown: A+ (great NFL kicker)
Chad Stanley: B (hes been off this year)

Dom Capers: B (I think he could do better with better help)
Charlie Casserly: D+ (He made some good picks.. but some BAAAD trades)

HJam72
12-19-2005, 06:26 AM
Nevermind.

Texas_Thrill
12-19-2005, 09:47 AM
I wonder what the hell I got myself into. Thank a old friend for the check and leave town on the first thing smoking b/c at my age I need to get to enjoy life as much as I can. :yahoo:

Goldeagle
12-19-2005, 09:39 PM
Thanks all, very interesting.

I would say most think Drew Hodgen is someone who shows promise. To bad he got injured.

Carr probably hovers around a c- on average

and DD probably hovers around a B

touttail
12-19-2005, 10:00 PM
Daivd Carr: C+

Dominick Davis: B+
Jonathan Wells: B
Moran Norris: A
Verand Morency: C

Andre Johnson: C+
Jabar Gaffney: C
Corey Bradford: F Drops way too many
Jerome Mathis: A
Derrik Armstrong: ? They won't play him

Chester Pitts: A
Zack Weigert: B
Steve McKenney: C-
Fred Weary: D
Todd Wade: D
Todd Washington: D
Drew Hodgen: B

Jerry Deloach: C
gary Walker: A
Seth Payne A
Junior Ione (sp?): Who?
Travis Johnson: C
Robaire Smith:B-

Deshon polk: D
Antwan Peek: C
Morlon Greenwood: D-
Kailee Wong: C+
Jason Babin: D
Shantee Orr: B

Dunta Robinson: A
Phillip Buchanan::homer: F+
Demarcus Faggins: D-
Jason Bell: C-
Lewis Sanders: D

CC Brown: C
Mark Coleman: :homer: F+
Glenn Earl: B-
Jason Simmons: C


Kris Brown: A-
Chad Stanley: A+

Dom Capers: :homer: Z+
Charlie Casserly :homer: Z+

Bobby 119C

Speedy
12-19-2005, 10:09 PM
I'll just say that I'm glad YOU are not Dan Reeves and leave it at that.:texflag:

touttail
12-19-2005, 11:35 PM
Did see a good sign at the game Sunday, someone in Section 120 had a sign that said, "Dom, Dan Reeves likes his coffee with 2 sugars!" :rofl:

Bobby 119C:brickwall

YoungTexanFan
12-19-2005, 11:39 PM
YoungTexanFan needs to reevaluate his secondary grades :tiptoe:

ok...just for you!

run-david-run
12-19-2005, 11:53 PM
Did see a good sign at the game Sunday, someone in Section 120 had a sign that said, "Dom, Dan Reeves likes his coffee with 2 sugars!" :rofl:

Bobby 119C:brickwall
That was great! If I go to the Jags game im thinking of getting a sign saying "All I want for Christams is a Tackle named D'Brickshaw"
have to counteract the "Bush for Christams" signs!!!

YoungTexanFan
12-19-2005, 11:54 PM
Dunta Robinson: b+ (He is burned ocasionally, but i will atribute some of that to covering for colmen also. He is still biting on double moves, and lets his emotions get the best of him. Tries to make the "big" hit too often as opposed to wrapping up. He is our best secondry player.)

Phillip Buchanan: b- (Buchanon started off slowly, but came into his own after the benching. I graded him slightly higher because of his versitility and not being utilized properly. He has a very fast first few steps and can stay with his man well enough to be a #2 CB in the league. The lack of preasure on the QB also is a factor in this grade. You can only ask a CB to stay with a reciever so long. Buchanon showed improvement every week and showed signs of enjoying to wrap up and drive through the opponent. He is not a big hit on our cap, and I would rather have him than 3 of...)

Demarcus Faggins: F (By far our worst player in the secondary, even worse than Colmen. I have never seen one man get beat so often deep and have so many routs run in front of him also. A very bad tackler with no instinct for the ball. He lacks ideal speed and awarness. He is slow in turning his hips and recognizing the ball in mid-air. Fundamentals seem to escape him and he has no true future on this team. He is below average at best.)

Jason Bell: c- (We do not see much of him besides special teams, however he lacks instincts and ability. He is servicable, and i believe he was a 6th round pick. He has shown the willingness to tackle but the inability to play the ball.)

Lewis Sanders: incomplete (His interception was mere luck, he is a journeyman CB at best. He lacks speed and cover skills. His timing is off, but i will atribute that to not enough playing time. He still shows more promise than faggins.)

YoungTexanFan
12-19-2005, 11:58 PM
Here's how I do it:

Goldeagle: D (gave Moran Norris a D)

stevo3883: F (gave Norris a D, Orr a C+, and Brown a B-)

edo783: A- (shouldn't have given Buch a passing grade and maybe a little too hard on Orr)

YoungTexanFan: A (too hard on Brown and too easy on Peek)

SESupergenious(Linux is better) :) : B- (too hard on Davis, Wells, and Pitts. too easy on Capers)


Napa Auto Parts: 0- (too hard on everybody) (besides, you're an *****) :)

non natural Texan: C+ (too easy on Bradford and Capers, too hard on Weigert)


my grade was fair, peek has preformed well enough to warent his position. he still lets his emotions get to him, and can lose focus. He has still be a good, but not great LB.

I asessed the secondary for those who asked to see it. I will take my A and a red gatorade please.

YoungTexanFan
12-22-2005, 01:40 AM
bump

Big B Texan Fan
12-22-2005, 01:44 AM
This is a lie! I'm NOT Dan Reeves!

That's just some junk that other posters made up to try and discred...

Oh? Not "literally" Dan Reeves?

Sorry, nevermind.
Love the avatar, my mother still has one of the empty cans from back then as a momento of those days. How funny.