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Daonly
12-17-2005, 11:17 AM
Davis is good but he's surely not a top 10 back. He was drafted into a position where he had the chance to come in and take over the RB position. Who was his coemption? Stacy Freckin Mack of all people. Davis was a 4th round pick; so doing his best on the field was more of an incentive thing plus to get his fatty contract. Now he's the star running back got his fatty contract now we was on cruise control. With all the talk about Reggie Bush coming to the Texans just like Cedric Benson, now all of a sudden he wants to do his job a little better. I don't see why people are in love with Davis just like there first love in high school. In today's game you cant judge a back on pure yards anymore (1000 yards). Davis has only scored 2 touchdowns this year. He's even top 30 in the entire NFL; He's 28th in the AFC; granted he has 4 receiving Touchdown, a couple of them if and when we get in the red zone. He's injury prone as well. We need player who when every time they touch the ball they look to score and who play the game to win first and foremost; also who is a threat to take it back every time they touch the ball and the Defense knows that and they respects him cause he can. We need a RB! (Reggie Bush.)

Kaiser Toro
12-17-2005, 11:22 AM
He is not paid top 10 back money so why should your expectations be top 10 performance?

Daonly
12-17-2005, 11:39 AM
Because everybody and they momma here have said he's a top 10 back which is not the case; and of course if he's not being paid top 10 money then I guess he's not as good as everyone make him out to be; I guess they need to start thinking about drafting someone who can be a top 10 back; not a fourth round back who just got lucky and have a few stats but can't get into the endzone. Which is why they play the game to score and win.

run-david-run
12-17-2005, 11:46 AM
He had as many yds from scrimmage as LaDannian Freaking Tomlison last season (1770)!!! Maybe that's why people thought he was a good back!!! He also had 14 TD's, this season he is on pace for his best year in terms of rushing yds, he has 976 with 3 games remaning, he could easaly make or surpass 1300 yds.. not bad for a back playing with the worst passing game in the entire NFL!!!

Jack Bauer
12-17-2005, 11:50 AM
can't get into the endzone.

This is funny. DD was number 7 in the NFL in rushing touchdowns last year. He was number 9 in total touchdowns! This has been a horrible year for the entire team. I am not going to judge DD on his touchdowns this year. He has proven he can get into the endzone.

And this year he is number 12 in the entire NFL in rushing despite the fact that he has missed two game!

Even with these facts, I think Reggie Bush would be an outstanding addition to our team.

touttail
12-17-2005, 11:59 AM
Pretty close to being a top ten back!

#5 in yards recieving-----337 yds.
#11 in total yards-------1188 yds.
#12 in rushing yards------976 yds.

Bobby 119C:brickwall

Kaiser Toro
12-17-2005, 12:00 PM
Because everybody and they momma here have said he's a top 10 back which is not the case; and of course if he's not being paid top 10 money then I guess he's not as good as everyone make him out to be; I guess they need to start thinking about drafting someone who can be a top 10 back; not a fourth round back who just got lucky and have a few stats but can't get into the endzone. Which is why they play the game to score and win.

It is about value. You value a player who has never played an NFL game and are willing to pay him tens of millions of dollars for a position that has a short career expectancy. DD puts up top 10 numbers in different cartegories.

Vinny
12-17-2005, 12:01 PM
Because everybody and they momma here have said he's a top 10 back which is not the case That's not accurate. DD has his detractors but he certainly has a big base of fans that appreciate his hard working blue collar – slashing style. You see many people post their Davis-love but he is an easy guy to like. Dom IS a "good back". He is a NFL starting caliber running back and has proven this in his first 3 years. He is not an elite back or a Franchise caliber back, but he is certainly a good back. The big problem with Dom is that the team over-uses him and he needs to only carry the ball 15 or so times with 6-7 receptions to stay healthy, fresh and effective in a 16 game NFL regular season. Lord forbid if we ever made the playoffs Dom would be useless by then since he always seems to have wear and tear issues since we don’t make an honest effort to rotate the backs.

I have come around on Dom this last year and value him much more than I have in the past. While he isn't an elite back that teams have to alter their game plans for he is in the group that is the "best of the rest" when it comes to his running skills. He has too many fatal flaws to be an elite back. He is a poor blocker and while his good hands help the passing game he is as useless a blocker as I’ve seen in any starter in the NFL in a while. He doesn't have enough speed to slow down the pass rush on the swing pass so teams are not afraid to pin their ears back when Dom is in the game in passing situations. Teams just play loose zones underneath and keep him in front of them since he really isn't much of a TD threat unless we are inside the red zone, and teams know he is as useless as a toaster if he stays into block.

Bottom line is that Dom has proven his worth and he plays hard and gives us everything he has. He has limitations but he is no underachiever. I’d still like to have a franchise caliber back, but Dom makes a dynamite complimentary back….we just overuse him in a primary capacity.

touttail
12-17-2005, 12:02 PM
Davis is good but he's surely not a top 10 back. He was drafted into a position where he had the chance to come in and take over the RB position. Who was his coemption? Stacy Freckin Mack of all people. Davis was a 4th round pick; so doing his best on the field was more of an incentive thing plus to get his fatty contract. Now he's the star running back got his fatty contract now we was on cruise control. With all the talk about Reggie Bush coming to the Texans just like Cedric Benson, now all of a sudden he wants to do his job a little better. I don't see why people are in love with Davis just like there first love in high school. In today's game you cant judge a back on pure yards anymore (1000 yards). Davis has only scored 2 touchdowns this year. He's even top 30 in the entire NFL; He's 28th in the AFC; granted he has 4 receiving Touchdown, a couple of them if and when we get in the red zone. He's injury prone as well. We need player who when every time they touch the ball they look to score and who play the game to win first and foremost; also who is a threat to take it back every time they touch the ball and the Defense knows that and they respects him cause he can. We need a RB! (Reggie Bush.)


Yeah and Reggie Bush will come into the league with a 20+ million dollar contract and has never run 1 down in the NFL.

Bobby 119C:brickwall

Vinny
12-17-2005, 12:11 PM
Yeah and Reggie Bush will come into the league with a 20+ million dollar contract and has never run 1 down in the NFL.

Bobby 119C:brickwallDo did David Carr and you guys love him despite doing nothing so far.

Double Barrel
12-17-2005, 12:31 PM
I agree with Vinny. DD is a good back. Sure, he's got limitations and is not durable enough to be our only horse, but he's good enough to probably start for half the teams in the league. The problem is that he's all we've got on offense that produces week in/out, and we're wearing him down. Mix in a consistent passing game and another RB like him to platoon, and we'd have something to seriously talk about with our offense.

Daonly
12-17-2005, 12:38 PM
Touttail Im from Baytown, but i live in Los angeles, be home next week for the holidays, anyways;what im saying is yeah he got stats, he got stats last year that's all good, but this year when he got (PAID) it seems like he fell off.Stats don't win football games, we need somone who can punch it in for wins! The only stats that counts as a RB is scoring!!! You can't score you can't win! Period. Texans Defense last year won us games; and kept it close;not our offense. They let some key guys go, now we bottom of the barrell again.

disaacks3
12-17-2005, 01:25 PM
Touttail Im from Baytown, but i live in Los angeles, be home next week for the holidays, anyways;what im saying is yeah he got stats, he got stats last year that's all good, but this year when he got (PAID) it seems like he fell off.Stats don't win football games, we need somone who can punch it in for wins! The only stats that counts as a RB is scoring!!! You can't score you can't win! Period. Texans Defense last year won us games; and kept it close;not our offense. They let some key guys go, now we bottom of the barrell again. I guess we're missing your point? :confused:

You admit it was the Defense that kept them in games last year, right? We cut our two biggest veteran Deensive leaders, our passing game is in the toilet, and this is somehow DD's fault for not "stepping it up"? How is he supposed to do better when EVERYONE knows he's the ONLY weapon we've got right now?

HardKnockTexan
12-17-2005, 01:41 PM
I'd have to disagree with the whole scoring issue. It is nice to be able to have a back to punch it into the endzone but look at Duce Staley last year. He'd get it to the goal line and Jerome Bettis would get it into the endzone. Its all in how you use your personel.

sprtsfanatic
12-17-2005, 01:53 PM
Yeah and Reggie Bush will come into the league with a 20+ million dollar contract and has never run 1 down in the NFL.

Bobby 119C:brickwall


So do all of the other top 15 picks so that as an arguement is lame, ridiculous, and holds no water...but for some reason its the only thing that keeps you from wanting us to draft Bush.....so if you are going to convince anyone otherwise try and use a better arguement than that.

ccdude730
12-17-2005, 02:01 PM
So do all of the other top 15 picks so that as an arguement is lame, ridiculous, and holds no water...but for some reason its the only thing that keeps you from wanting us to draft Bush.....so if you are going to convince anyone otherwise try and use a better arguement than that.
the argument is not lame or ridiculous because we can trade down get players we need for a smaller amount of money.

but also why would you want all that money tied up at RB when we can put it elsewhere.

sprtsfanatic
12-17-2005, 02:11 PM
the argument is not lame or ridiculous because we can trade down get players we need for a smaller amount of money.

but also why would you want all that money tied up at RB when we can put it elsewhere.


So your telling me you would rather have all that money tied up in a few more players that are no where near the talent that Bush is???

Its simple...cuz he's worth it...he is the best player in this draft and his talent and his worth warrants the money. If he wasnt worth the hype he wouldnt put up the numbers that he does nor would he be talked about by anyone...Bush is the closest thing to a "sure thing" coming out of this draft. Whether or not we NEED that with our team is left to be seen, but dont try and convince people that we shouldnt give him top 5 pick money because he's barely coming out of college....every draft pick is coming out of college so that arguement IS RIDICULOUS. If it wasnt then we shouldnt pay any of the draft picks (should we trade down) any of the money either because they havent played one down in the NFL and havent proven themselves...now you tell me how that sounds....yup your right...it sounds RIDICULOUS.

Malloy
12-17-2005, 02:15 PM
Everyone, don't feed the troll :)

ccdude730
12-17-2005, 02:19 PM
Everyone, don't feed the troll :)
:brickwall

brain fart....

Fiddy
12-17-2005, 02:19 PM
I'm one of the biggest Davis "bashers," but even I'll admit he is a good back. He'll get his yards and everything but he is not a "franchise" back. You can compare stats as much as you want, but the difference between LT and Davis: teams are scared to death about LT, they arent of Davis. LT has to beat defenses who are focused on him. Teams are focused on AJ when they play us. Davis is not a threat to take a simple dump down and take it the distance, he isnt going to gash teams for long runs consistently.

And he is doing the same thing he did last year. Last year he stunk it up horribly for the first 10 games and then exploded at the end to keep his job. He is doing the same this year. Didnt do anything special the first 10 games and is now putting together a few big games in hopes of swaying the team from not upgrading the position and helping them win a game to take us out of the Bush sweepstakes. You can't win in the NFL when your back only shows up and does something special for 6 out of 16 games.

sprtsfanatic
12-17-2005, 02:23 PM
:brickwall

brain fart....


great rebuttle to your own arguement. It only proves my point.

texan279
12-17-2005, 02:24 PM
I'm one of the biggest Davis "bashers," but even I'll admit he is a good back. He'll get his yards and everything but he is not a "franchise" back. You can compare stats as much as you want, but the difference between LT and Davis: teams are scared to death about LT, they arent of Davis. LT has to beat defenses who are focused on him. Teams are focused on AJ when they play us. Davis is not a threat to take a simple dump down and take it the distance, he isnt going to gash teams for long runs consistently.

And he is doing the same thing he did last year. Last year he stunk it up horribly for the first 10 games and then exploded at the end to keep his job. He is doing the same this year. Didnt do anything special the first 10 games and is now putting together a few big games in hopes of swaying the team from not upgrading the position and helping them win a game to take us out of the Bush sweepstakes. You can't win in the NFL when your back only shows up and does something special for 6 out of 16 games.

Davis is #6 this season for yards receiving for a RB with 337 yards receiving and is 2nd in the league in TD receptions for a RB with 4 receiving TD's, and I remember one dump pass that DD took about 50 yards for a TD earlier in the season that was called back on a penalty...

ccdude730
12-17-2005, 02:35 PM
great rebuttle to your own arguement. It only proves my point.
i was commenting on Malloy's statement.

i, unlike some posters, dont think that bush is a "sure thing" or that hes already got his place in canton.

we have a back who is severly overused. if we can find a bruiser or that franchise back we are set at that position. unfortunately bush does not fill that need for us. DD just got a new contract and it would seem stupid if our FO decided to draft him and award him a contract that would force us into a tight cap situation. trade davis or rework his contract? ....yeah right

put that money elsewhere like on our Oline or LB or secondary

texan279
12-17-2005, 02:38 PM
i was commenting on Malloy's statement.

i, unlike some posters, dont think that bush is a "sure thing" or that hes already got his place in canton.

we have a back who is severly overused. if we can find a bruiser or that franchise back we are set at that position. unfortunately bush does not fill that need for us. DD just got a new contract and it would seem stupid if our FO decided to draft him and award him a contract that would force us into a tight cap situation. trade davis or rework his contract? ....yeah right

put that money elsewhere like on our Oline or LB or secondary

Can't believe someone here agrees with me...we should start a no Reggie Bush club! :) Seriously, we drafted Morency last draft, we should be splitting time between Morency and DD and use Wells some also.

ccdude730
12-17-2005, 02:42 PM
Can't believe someone her agrees with me...we should start a no Reggie Bush club! :) Seriously, we drafted Morency last draft, we should be splitting time between Morency and DD and use Wells some also.
who else is going to join?

texan279
12-17-2005, 02:46 PM
I have said this before, even though I don't think it's the way to go. I think the Texans are going to be forced to draft Bush. I think they have been backed into a corner. The Texans are going to be ridden by every single NFL and NCAA football fan ever, every analyst, everyone. Texans have a solid and proven RB in DD. Bush is going to the same type of player as Westbrook, and we kind of have that in DD. We are just going to be wasting money by drafting Bush.

I doubt that happens...If that was they way it would go down we probably would have drafted DJ in the last draft and sold the farm to draft Sean Taylor in the draft before. If we get the 1st pick in the draft this year, Bush would give us the power to trade down and load up big time.

texan279
12-17-2005, 02:46 PM
who else is going to join?

Can anyone here make the avatars? :redtowel:

ccdude730
12-17-2005, 03:02 PM
BINGO! :redtowel:

texan279
12-17-2005, 03:03 PM
BINGO! :redtowel:

HA! I love it!

ccdude730
12-17-2005, 03:05 PM
hopefully someone with more skill can help us out

Malloy
12-17-2005, 03:42 PM
i was commenting on Malloy's statement.

i, unlike some posters, dont think that bush is a "sure thing" or that hes already got his place in canton.

we have a back who is severly overused. if we can find a bruiser or that franchise back we are set at that position. unfortunately bush does not fill that need for us. DD just got a new contract and it would seem stupid if our FO decided to draft him and award him a contract that would force us into a tight cap situation. trade davis or rework his contract? ....yeah right

put that money elsewhere like on our Oline or LB or secondary

If you took the time to read the other DD threads, you would see that I actually believe that DD is overworked and subsequently more prone to injury. The Troll-feeder comment were addressed to the never-ending attempts to add fuel to the "DD is not a top 10 back" threads around. I guess you among others missed that...

Fiddy
12-17-2005, 04:57 PM
Davis is #6 this season for yards receiving for a RB with 337 yards receiving and is 2nd in the league in TD receptions for a RB with 4 receiving TD's, and I remember one dump pass that DD took about 50 yards for a TD earlier in the season that was called back on a penalty... 3 of those of TDs on passing plays were designed plays when he leaked out of the backfield.

Once again, bring up the stats as much as you want, he still doesnt have the impact on games that franchise backs have.

real
12-17-2005, 05:01 PM
Thank you...

texan279
12-17-2005, 05:02 PM
3 of those of TDs on passing plays were designed plays when he leaked out of the backfield.

Once again, bring up the stats as much as you want, he still doesnt have the impact on games that franchise backs have.

I'm not saying he is a threat like a franchise back, but he is a serviceable solid RB like you said, I was just saying he can take a dump pass to the house.

ccdude730
12-17-2005, 05:35 PM
If you took the time to read the other DD threads, you would see that I actually believe that DD is overworked and subsequently more prone to injury. The Troll-feeder comment were addressed to the never-ending attempts to add fuel to the "DD is not a top 10 back" threads around. I guess you among others missed that...
i agree DD is overworked and more prone to injury also. i have stated that before as well.

so what did i miss again?

run-david-run
12-17-2005, 05:49 PM
I'm one of the biggest Davis "bashers," but even I'll admit he is a good back. He'll get his yards and everything but he is not a "franchise" back. You can compare stats as much as you want, but the difference between LT and Davis: teams are scared to death about LT, they arent of Davis. LT has to beat defenses who are focused on him. Teams are focused on AJ when they play us. Davis is not a threat to take a simple dump down and take it the distance, he isnt going to gash teams for long runs consistently.
And he is doing the same thing he did last year. Last year he stunk it up horribly for the first 10 games and then exploded at the end to keep his job. He is doing the same this year. Didnt do anything special the first 10 games and is now putting together a few big games in hopes of swaying the team from not upgrading the position and helping them win a game to take us out of the Bush sweepstakes. You can't win in the NFL when your back only shows up and does something special for 6 out of 16 games.
All I have to say to that is watch the Seahawks game this season

mean mark8
12-17-2005, 06:17 PM
Davis is a good back. I don't think anyone on this board would say we have even one pro bowl caliber o-lineman on our team yet Davis puts up good numbers. I don't think anyone on this board would say we have any creativity in our offense or in our play-calling yet Davis puts up good numbers. Anyone saying he's not any good because he was drafted in the 4th round doesn't remember Terrell Davis was drafted in the 6th round as was Tom Brady.

As for anyone who thinks Bush is a sure thing, I'd like to point out the other can't miss players like Ryan Leaf. Bush has talent, no doubt. Will that translate into a Hall of Fame pro career, only time will tell.

I'd like to point out we have 3 other backs on our roster all drafted in rounds higher than Davis: Wells - 3rd round, Hollings - 2nd round, and Morency - 3rd round. Wells is the only one who plays hard. Hollings has been an absolute bust and Morency can't seem to keep his feet on the ground long enough to break any tackles. Morency reminds me of a former #1 pick of the Broncos, Gerald Willhite, who thought he could jump over every tackler who came at him. Can we get anything from any other team for any of these 3 other backs we used higher draft picks to get? No. Would someone trade us at least a 2nd rounder for Davis? I think so. For anyone saying Davis isn't great because we couldn't get anything more for him than a 2nd rounder, look at the discount people were looking to give for Sean Alexander and Edgarrin James. These 2 pro bowlers can't even get decent contracts from their current teams.

SESupergenius
12-17-2005, 06:26 PM
Do did David Carr and you guys love him despite doing nothing so far.
There isn't a guy on this team that had done anything so far. That argument is weak.

zeplin
12-17-2005, 06:31 PM
Has anyone actually looked at his ranking among the other sarting RB in the NFL.
He is ranked 12th. Do you think he has the 12th highest paycheck of all of these other RB's. I doubt it.
No OL
No Passing game

2005 Regular Season
NFL AFC NFC
Rushing Yards
Rank Player Team Yds Att Avg TDs Long
1 Shaun Alexander SEA 1496 303 4.9 23 88
2 Edgerrin James IND 1440 334 4.3 12 33
3 Tiki Barber NYG 1357 284 4.8 6 59
4 Larry Johnson KC 1251 247 5.1 14 46
5 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 1247 282 4.4 17 62
6 Warrick Dunn ATL 1247 242 5.2 3 65
7 Rudi Johnson CIN 1235 285 4.3 10 32
8 Clinton Portis WAS 1184 275 4.3 8 47
9 Reuben Droughns CLE 1103 262 4.2 2 75
10 Thomas Jones CHI 1077 250 4.3 7 42
11 Willis McGahee BUF 1032 271 3.8 4 27
12 Domanick Davis HOU 976 230 4.2 2 44
13 Steven Jackson STL 936 222 4.2 7 51
14 Cadillac Williams TB 924 223 4.1 5 71
15 LaMont Jordan OAK 893 247 3.6 9 26
16 Mike Anderson DEN 871 208 4.2 9 44
17 Willie Parker PIT 856 198 4.3 3 45
18 Ronnie Brown MIA 841 187 4.5 4 65
19 Chris Brown TEN 777 197 3.9 5 38
20 Tatum Bell DEN 749 127 5.9 5 68
21 Curtis Martin NYJ 735 220 3.3 5 49
22 Julius Jones DAL 685 196 3.5 3 25
23 Jamal Lewis BAL 638 203 3.1 2 25
24 Fred Taylor JAC 625 155 4.0 2 71
25 Brian Westbrook PHI 617 156 4.0 3 31
26 Corey Dillon NE 608 164 3.7 9 29
27 Kevin Jones DET 586 168 3.5 5 40
28 Kevan Barlow SF 581 176 3.3 3 29
29 DeShaun Foster CAR 571 144 4.0 1 30
30 Mewelde Moore MIN 551 137 4.0 1

Daonly
12-17-2005, 08:46 PM
Stats don't mean nothing when you don't punch it in.. yeah he rank 12th in yards etc etc etc, but Dead last like 30th in rushing td's in the NFL 28th in the NFC, so my point is we need GREATNESS! Not some ohh he good enough, he'll do, For all you Don't Draft Bush likes, when bush wins ROY honors and makes his 1st probowl, don't root for him now, don't act like you have been for him to be on our team, just jump ship and become a cowboys fan.

edo783
12-17-2005, 09:57 PM
just jump ship and become a cowboys fan.


Mmmm, like YOU.

Ryan
12-17-2005, 10:09 PM
Reggie Bushamania!!!!!!!

HJam72
12-17-2005, 11:20 PM
So, here we go. We're going to hear unjustified DD bashing until at least draft day just because everybody's horny for Reggie Bush. I may have to stop reading this drivel before we wind up getting him and I get so irritated that I can't root for the guy to win.

royce1054
12-17-2005, 11:42 PM
hopefully this was posted along time ago. The person who started this thread isnt seeing its not DD or the running game that is our problem. i feel like :brickwall because i cant see how come you guys cant see this. What we need OL, TE, CB/DB, maybe even a LB(depending who we sign back). Pls stop bashing DD hes not the problem. he is a good running back trying to run with 8 men in the box and sometimes 9. I mean come on this is simple math here. We get and upgrade at OL and TE i bet DD runs for 1500-1800 next season

Erratic Assassin
12-17-2005, 11:54 PM
So your telling me you would rather have all that money tied up in a few more players that are no where near the talent that Bush is???

One player eating up that much of your salary cap might be a good idea in basketball where one player equals one-fifth of your team but not in football. How many Superbowl rings did Barry Sanders give the Lions?

I'd much rather have our salary cap spread between several above-average players than to tie it up on one player. Tedy Bruschi doesn't have as much talent as Bush, neither does Willie McGinest, or Larry Izzo, etc, but they have a nice little dynasty going on in Boston.

If Bush is a "once-in-every-forty-years" type player, what do you call Emmitt Smith? Walter Payton? Barry Sanders? Eric Dickerson? Marcus Allen? Tony Dorsett? Earl Campbell? Thurman Thomas? Marshall Faulk? LaDainian Tomlinson? Priest Holmes? Eddie George? Ricky Williams? Corey Dillon? Franco Harris? Edgerrin James? Clinton Portis? Deuce McAllister? Duce Staley? Shaun Alexander? Bo Jackson? Curtis Martin? Hershel Walker? They all played in the past 40 years.

Great running backs aren't nearly as rare you might think. The Bush hype-machine is running full steam. Instead of getting caught up in it we could be smart and take advantage of this herd mentality. Pick Bush and trade him to some sucker GM who believes the hype. Like the 12 players for Hershel Walker trade between the Vikings and Cowboys. The Cowboys were set for years.

royce1054
12-18-2005, 12:10 AM
One player eating up that much of your salary cap might be a good idea in basketball where one player equals one-fifth of your team but not in football. How many Superbowl rings did Barry Sanders give the Lions?

I'd much rather have our salary cap spread between several above-average players than to tie it up on one player. Tedy Bruschi doesn't have as much talent as Bush, neither does Willie McGinest, or Larry Izzo, etc, but they have a nice little dynasty going on in Boston.

If Bush is a "once-in-every-forty-years" type player, what do you call Emmitt Smith? Walter Payton? Barry Sanders? Eric Dickerson? Marcus Allen? Tony Dorsett? Earl Campbell? Thurman Thomas? Marshall Faulk? LaDainian Tomlinson? Priest Holmes? Eddie George? Ricky Williams? Corey Dillon? Franco Harris? Edgerrin James? Clinton Portis? Deuce McAllister? Duce Staley? Shaun Alexander? Bo Jackson? Curtis Martin? Hershel Walker? They all played in the past 40 years.

Great running backs aren't nearly as rare you might think. The Bush hype-machine is running full steam. Instead of getting caught up in it we could be smart and take advantage of this herd mentality. Pick Bush and trade him to some sucker GM who believes the hype. Like the 12 players for Hershel Walker trade between the Vikings and Cowboys. The Cowboys were set for years.

Good point... i like how you name names and show thats what 23 names in 40 years. I have too many questions right now before i say Bush is one of them. I think the O-line, TE, QB and WR will decide how good the rook will be. Remember a football player is only as good as the other 10 men on the field. If 1 is better than another looks better. Its a Domino Affect. It has to start at the QB then OL, then TE then RB/WR. you have to get protection for the QB so the running game will open up

BigDTexansFan
12-18-2005, 12:36 AM
Domanick Davis 11 230 20.9 976 44 4.2 88.7 2 3

started ELEVEN games and ONLY carried 230 times BUT is 24 yards from becoming...ONLY THE 15TH RUNNING BACK IN NFL HISTORY TO RUSH FOR 1,000 YARDS 1ST 3 SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!! I think some of you have been hypnotized by ESPN and think a college player who gets to play opponents like nowhere state is going to come into NFL and just run wild to that I say :pigfly:

stevo3883
12-18-2005, 01:34 AM
I'd much rather have our salary cap spread between several above-average players than to tie it up on one player. Tedy Bruschi doesn't have as much talent as Bush, neither does Willie McGinest, or Larry Izzo, etc, but they have a nice little dynasty going on in Boston. hmm I think Tom Brady and his GIANT contract disagree

If Bush is a "once-in-every-forty-years" type player, what do you call Emmitt Smith? Walter Payton? Barry Sanders? Eric Dickerson? Marcus Allen? Tony Dorsett? Earl Campbell? Thurman Thomas? Marshall Faulk? LaDainian Tomlinson? Priest Holmes? Eddie George? Ricky Williams? Corey Dillon? Franco Harris? Edgerrin James? Clinton Portis? Deuce McAllister? Duce Staley? Shaun Alexander? Bo Jackson? Curtis Martin? Hershel Walker? They all played in the past 40 years. they sure did, but all of the bold guys didnt come out of college with the hype of bush

Great running backs aren't nearly as rare you might think. The Bush hype-machine is running full steam. Instead of getting caught up in it we could be smart and take advantage of this herd mentality. Pick Bush and trade him to some sucker GM who believes the hype. Like the 12 players for Hershel Walker trade between the Vikings and Cowboys. The Cowboys were set for years. that was a different time, no salary cap means they could sign all those players to 500 years if they wanted.

We have to be smart, invest in the most "sure thing" out there and reap the benefits.

J-Storm
12-18-2005, 02:04 AM
There is no such "sure thing" especially in the NFL. Each player is like a number in the weekly lottery and that's all they are. A number, period. Take bennie Joppru for example, we thought we had something there. So far, nothing (through no fault of his own i admit). Morency is just the latest one. But again, nothing. Why... because we seem to think that DD is our only playmaker besides 'Dre so we work him into the ground. I guess that's DD's fault as well, if he asked for the odd down off, the 'Hater-ade" drinkers when it comes to DD would whine and moan 'cos he asked for a breather then. It's a no-win situation for the poor guy!

UGA
12-18-2005, 08:29 AM
DD is an above average back who will actually do better when his amount of touches gets limited to utilize Bush. The DD-Bush combo will be dynamic! Both can get 15 carries a game, and Bush can be used in the slot in a addition.

You dont try to get cute with draft picks. You draft the best player available. The Texans can draft o-line with their other 7 picks and free agency. Passing on Bush will be a major error. We saw how we tried to get cute last year and look at the slug we drafted.

Bush will elevate this team out of the cellar, because we will focus on the line the second after we draft him, like how we attempted to help Carr by drafting Gafney then AJ with our #2 and #1 following his pick. We take Bush, then take every OL/DL of worth that follows.

If you get caught up in the "how many picks can we grab" line of thought then what ends up happening 9 time out of 10 is that you end up with a couple second tier types that have every bit as much a chance to fail as the ringers, but dont have half the upside. And if you watch the Texans then it should be readily apparent we dont need more second tier types with limited upside. We need players that have the ability to do great things in the league.

Bush is the only logical choice.

Vinny
12-18-2005, 08:51 AM
Great running backs aren't nearly as rare you might think. Not real rare but only two or three come out a year, and we don't have one. Bush may be rare enough that I wouldn't trade out of he pick unless we could get a veteran starter and a couple of firsts. Dom Davis only starts for about 5-6 NFL teams.

ArlingtonTexan
12-18-2005, 08:59 AM
As a take how you want to comment:

DomDavis has been featured as the centerpiece of the Texans offense for the last three years.

Vinny
12-18-2005, 09:00 AM
As a take how you want to comment:

DomDavis has been featured as the centerpiece of the Texans offense for the last three years.The worst offense in the NFL is where I take that one. :ok:

I know, I know...its all the lines fault!!

zeplin
12-18-2005, 09:37 AM
Stats don't mean nothing when you don't punch it in.. yeah he rank 12th in yards etc etc etc, but Dead last like 30th in rushing td's in the NFL 28th in the NFC, so my point is we need GREATNESS! Not some ohh he good enough, he'll do, For all you Don't Draft Bush likes, when bush wins ROY honors and makes his 1st probowl, don't root for him now, don't act like you have been for him to be on our team, just willjump ship and become a cowboys fan.
You say that stats don't matter but the best teams in the Nfl are the at the top of the list.If we keep thinking this way we and not address the real problems that have been overlooked for 4 years we will end up with a real exciting RB and still be 1-12 1-13 1-14. I want us to do what will give us the best chance of playing at a high level in the NFL. We need a OL. Why is it so hard to see the light.
If come draft day westill have the 1st pick and we take RB I will not be happy but I won't complain about it in open forums.

Vinny
12-18-2005, 09:59 AM
We need a OL. Why is it so hard to see the light.
If come draft day westill have the 1st pick and we take RB I will not be happy but I won't complain about it in open forums.You cannot draft an O-line with one draft pick. Unless we get something ridiculous we need to take the best player in the draft. We can work on securing some linemen via FA and in the second round. Heck, Ferguson is the best Tackle in the draft and he is not a very good run blocker. You don't want incomplete players with your 50 million dollar top 5 pick.

zeplin
12-18-2005, 10:11 AM
I never said that one pick would fix the OL line . I said that we need to focus on that reality. We don't even know what pick we will get in the draft. But I do know Reggie is not enough to fix our problems either.Good teams keep the good players FA has not fixed the problem over the last 4 years and I do not think that it will fix it this offseason.

Vinny
12-18-2005, 10:19 AM
But I do know Reggie is not enough to fix our problems either. One player is never enough to fix bad teams problems but getting great players to build a unit around is one of the ways out of the hole. We only have 1 feared player on offense - Andre Johnson. It's way too easy to shut this team down when teams take away AJ. I think we can find a good enough Guard in FA, and a Tackle in the 2nd round like the Jags did last year in Khalif Barnes.

Daonly
12-18-2005, 10:23 AM
You say that stats don't matter but the best teams in the Nfl are the at the top of the list.If we keep thinking this way we and not address the real problems that have been overlooked for 4 years we will end up with a real exciting RB and still be 1-12 1-13 1-14. I want us to do what will give us the best chance of playing at a high level in the NFL. We need a OL. Why is it so hard to see the light.
If come draft day westill have the 1st pick and we take RB I will not be happy but I won't complain about it in open forums.


Yeah that's right we need D. Brick, He can only Run and pass block for himself, That's, OK Other Teams says will Still BUM RUSH! The other 4 Slow Jerks you have, and still get to lame duck Carr, because D. Davis will get his stats but they wont see no where close to the redzone, Carr don't have any weapons to throw to,(AJ is double covered up to his neck) ! D. Davis is OK, but we need more; besides if there was a top flight WR in the draft I'll be like take him, but Noooooo there's Not one. So we must take Reggie Bush, because he can do more on the field than D. Brick can; because the OL is a scheme it's takes all lineman on the field to work together, not just one person going to make a difference on the OL. That's why there are later rounds, free agency, trades, New Coaches with new x'o's and motivation can get this line to where it needs to be.

tulexan
12-18-2005, 11:00 AM
One player is never enough to fix bad teams problems but getting great players to build a unit around is one of the ways out of the hole. We only have 1 feared player on offense - Andre Johnson. It's way too easy to shut this team down when teams take away AJ. I think we can find a good enough Guard in FA, and a Tackle in the 2nd round like the Jags did last year in Khalif Barnes.

Vinny I completely agree with you. I really don't see why we can't draft Reggie with the first pick and the best Tackle or Guard with the second (Justice, Jean Gilles, Scott, Joseph). Is that much worse trading down a few picks to draft the best tackle in the draft, who is not an Orlando Pace or Jonathan Ogden type talent and then adding some more second tier talent at other positions?

sprtsfanatic
12-18-2005, 11:36 AM
Vinny I completely agree with you. I really don't see why we can't draft Reggie with the first pick and the best Tackle or Guard with the second (Justice, Jean Gilles, Scott, Joseph). Is that much worse trading down a few picks to draft the best tackle in the draft, who is not an Orlando Pace or Jonathan Ogden type talent and then adding some more second tier talent at other positions?

My thoughts exactly....Bush with the first and get some very good talent for the OL in the second...if not then find a way to trade back into the first and get AJ Hawk. Who knows, it will be interesting to see if we cant trade back into the first for d' brick or winston. Wouldnt that be something.

Fiddy
12-18-2005, 12:02 PM
I'm not saying he is a threat like a franchise back, but he is a serviceable solid RB like you said, I was just saying he can take a dump pass to the house. But he doesnt take it to the house:

1st Receiving TD:
Domanick Davis 3 Yd Pass From David Carr

2nd Receiving TD (This is his only long one where he made things happen in his 154 career catches): Domanick Davis 27 Yd Pass From David Carr

3rd Receiving TD (This one the Rams were stupid and had a DE covering him and he just caught the ball and took it to the house after the DE fell down trying to break up the pass. He better take this to the house): Domanick Davis 30 Yd Pass From David Carr

4th Receiving TD:
Domanick Davis 3 Yd Pass From David Carr

So I have to wait for every 154 catches (or every 77 catches if you disagree with the Rams statement) to get 1 play where he creates something and takes it the distance???

royce1054
12-18-2005, 01:14 PM
Look at today's game. Knowone has gotten close to Carr yet that i have seen. Morency has broken run. The cardinals cant keep 8 IN THE BOX. If it stays like this we will win. Our pass blocking today has been great. Carr has all the time in the world to throw the ball. THen again i dont see too many blitzs. Now if we could only block a good team.

Huge
12-18-2005, 03:33 PM
Stats don't mean nothing when you don't punch it in.. yeah he rank 12th in yards etc etc etc, but Dead last like 30th in rushing td's in the NFL 28th in the NFC, so my point is we need GREATNESS! Not some ohh he good enough, he'll do, For all you Don't Draft Bush likes, when bush wins ROY honors and makes his 1st probowl, don't root for him now, don't act like you have been for him to be on our team, just jump ship and become a cowboys fan.
28 total TDs in 40 career games.

If you're basing your argument on the lack of TDs from Davis just this year, you've got a dumb argument.

Huge
12-18-2005, 03:41 PM
Also...

Rookie of the Year honors:

Davis - 1
Bush - 0

royce1054
12-18-2005, 03:54 PM
this thread needs to be trashed since i dont see us picking #1 anymore. We will kill SF

7thSaint
12-18-2005, 05:02 PM
I don't understand what kind of argument would satisfy a DD fan but I do know this; This is not a Garison Hearst or even a Marshall Faulk, Bush is a Gale Sayers, damn near a Mike Vick at running back. Davis held it down but truth of the matter is you don't pass up Derek Jeter because Everett has a good glove or Tracy McGrady because we nicknamed Francis Franchise. When you have a chance to get a special and I do mean SPECIAL player you do it.

Goldeagle
12-18-2005, 05:42 PM
DD, a decent good back in the NFL. Can put up 200 yards in Total Offense for you


Jonathan Wells, tough, can block, finishes off runs.


Reggie who? Oh yeah that unproven small 200 pounder who might be able to take a full 16 game NFL season with legit NFL hits rather than the 10 or 11 game College season where he shares time with a better prototypical 230 pound running back named Linelle White.

I would pass on Bush (or take him and trade him) and pick up White the following year.

Bush might be all they say, who knows, I just dont think we need him.

tulexan
12-18-2005, 05:46 PM
I could see if he was 170 pounds to call him small, but he is listed at 200 and will probably be 10 or 15 pounds heavier once he is in the NFL.

People sure are looking for ways to discredit him.

Goldeagle
12-18-2005, 05:47 PM
I could see if he was 170 pounds to call him small, but he is listed at 200 and will probably be 10 or 15 pounds heavier once he is in the NFL.

People sure are looking for ways to discredit him.


Its not that, I hear he is actually 195 and I am just cautious. I cant say he will stink, but asking questions is not looking for way to discredit him.

tulexan
12-18-2005, 05:57 PM
ok so he is 195. if he gains 15 pounds, which he should considering he has gained 15 pounds since entering USC, he will be 210 pounds.

tiki barber is 5'10 200, and he is doing fine. warrick dunn is even smaller.

Kaiser Toro
12-18-2005, 06:08 PM
I don't understand what kind of argument would satisfy a DD fan but I do know this; This is not a Garison Hearst or even a Marshall Faulk, Bush is a Gale Sayers, damn near a Mike Vick at running back. Davis held it down but truth of the matter is you don't pass up Derek Jeter because Everett has a good glove or Tracy McGrady because we nicknamed Francis Franchise. When you have a chance to get a special and I do mean SPECIAL player you do it.

Yes, until next year's extra special player that will be in draft. There is one every year.

tulexan
12-18-2005, 06:19 PM
Really? Who was the extra special player last year?

stevo3883
12-18-2005, 06:53 PM
DD, a decent good back in the NFL. Can put up 200 yards in Total Offense for you


Jonathan Wells, tough, can block, finishes off runs.


Reggie who? Oh yeah that unproven small 200 pounder who might be able to take a full 16 game NFL season with legit NFL hits rather than the 10 or 11 game College season where he shares time with a better prototypical 230 pound running back named Linelle White.

I would pass on Bush (or take him and trade him) and pick up White the following year.

Bush might be all they say, who knows, I just dont think we need him.



how many times has DD gained 200 total yards in his career?

Goldeagle
12-18-2005, 07:08 PM
ok so he is 195. if he gains 15 pounds, which he should considering he has gained 15 pounds since entering USC, he will be 210 pounds.

tiki barber is 5'10 200, and he is doing fine. warrick dunn is even smaller.


Yes, would you draft Tiki or Warrick first though?

I say pass him and if you need a back get Lindell White from USC.

And the big guys last year were Ced Benson, Ronnie Brown and Alex Smith.

Goldeagle
12-18-2005, 07:10 PM
how many times has DD gained 200 total yards in his career?

I believe last week he had 190

Vs jax he had 158 and 31 rec yds = 189
and in week 14 he had 139 with 50 rec yards = 189




That is the last couple of games. As far as Career, eh, cant really find individual game stats for all his games

tulexan
12-18-2005, 07:12 PM
There is a big difference between the best player in the draft and one of the best players in several drafts.

Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, and Alex Smith were all the best players in the draft that year but none of them were being labeled as potentially one of the best ever.

Goldeagle
12-18-2005, 07:24 PM
But still, why is it a big deal to have questions against Reggie Bush? Ive noticed if you question anything about Bush, it is like you are dogging the guy, which I am just asking the questions. I dont see him helping us and I have my doubts but it seems like you cant point out some negatives.

Goldeagle
12-18-2005, 07:25 PM
There is a big difference between the best player in the draft and one of the best players in several drafts.

Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, and Alex Smith were all the best players in the draft that year but none of them were being labeled as potentially one of the best ever.


Very true, the hype (and it is hype, not substance) is all for Bush. I remember hype for lots of guys who never did anything, Tony Madrich, the GREATEST lineman to ever come out of the draft!

stevo3883
12-18-2005, 08:13 PM
I believe last week he had 190

Vs jax he had 158 and 31 rec yds = 189
and in week 14 he had 139 with 50 rec yards = 189




That is the last couple of games. As far as Career, eh, cant really find individual game stats for all his games

he has 1 game in his career over 200 total yards, 201 against Indy last year.

Hervoyel
12-18-2005, 08:17 PM
Very true, the hype (and it is hype, not substance) is all for Bush. I remember hype for lots of guys who never did anything, Tony Madrich, the GREATEST lineman to ever come out of the draft!


Really? I always thought Tony Mandrich was the GREATEST lineman to ever come out of a bottle.

When he stopped the roids he became mortal mighty quick.

tulexan
12-18-2005, 10:00 PM
Very true, the hype (and it is hype, not substance) is all for Bush. I remember hype for lots of guys who never did anything, Tony Madrich, the GREATEST lineman to ever come out of the draft!


So it is hype that has made his average touchdown length 31.9 yards? Is it hype which gave him over 2600 all purpose yards this season? Maybe it is hype which makes him average over 200 yards per game. I guess you are right, the guy has no substance and is pure hype. None of his statistics are impressive at all and because he plays in the Pac-10 he must be vastly overrated. I mean who has USC beaten in the past 3 years?

MorKnolle
12-18-2005, 10:06 PM
Why do people keep saying Bush is great because he so versatile and can line up in the slot and catch passes and such, but when they talk about Domanick Davis they only mention his rushing stats and leave out his receiving stats which comprise about 1/3 of his total yards and 4 out of his 6 TDs this season?

stevo3883
12-18-2005, 10:32 PM
Why do people keep saying Bush is great because he so versatile and can line up in the slot and catch passes and such, but when they talk about Domanick Davis they only mention his rushing stats and leave out his receiving stats which comprise about 1/3 of his total yards and 4 out of his 6 TDs this season?


because there is a difference in lining up in the slot and running actual routes, and catching a dumpoff pass at the LOS because the guy you were supposed to block beat you and Carr is running for his life.

ccdude730
12-19-2005, 01:13 AM
we used to have plays where DD would go in motion and line up as a wideout. but for some reason that has been scratched.

royce1054
12-19-2005, 04:19 AM
we used to have plays where DD would go in motion and line up as a wideout. but for some reason that has been scratched.

thats because of Pendry and what the other losers name O ya Palmer

infantrycak
12-19-2005, 01:07 PM
Stats don't mean nothing when you don't punch it in.. yeah he rank 12th in yards etc etc etc, but Dead last like 30th in rushing td's in the NFL 28th in the NFC, so my point is we need GREATNESS! Not some ohh he good enough, he'll do, For all you Don't Draft Bush likes, when bush wins ROY honors and makes his 1st probowl, don't root for him now, don't act like you have been for him to be on our team, just jump ship and become a cowboys fan.

OK, so scoring means everything--got it. Thank you from Domanick Davis 6th in rushing TD's in 2004 ahead of evidently clearly inferior RB's (I mean wouldn't want to get distracted by watching film, looking at how the back is used, anything else) such as Willis McGahee, Rudi Johnson, Curtis Martin, Larry Johnson, Deuce McAllister, Cory Dillon, Ahman Green, etc. You can't have it both ways and want to go off scoring alone. Fact is DD is a solid non-elite RB. He can be upgraded, but there is no reason to be an a-hole and run him down either.

infantrycak
12-19-2005, 01:09 PM
because there is a difference in lining up in the slot and running actual routes, and catching a dumpoff pass at the LOS because the guy you were supposed to block beat you and Carr is running for his life.

Thanks for once again displaying you either don't watch the games or don't pay attention. 99% of the time when DD catches those release passes he has either come clean or chipped--it isn't that he has whiffed on a block. Yes he is inconsistant to bad at blocking, but on most of his receptions, anything more than a chip wasn't expected of him.