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pbkwfu1
12-14-2005, 11:15 PM
Trades (points from draft value trade chart in parentheses):
Houston trades 1-1(3000) for Green Bay 1-5, 2-5, 4-5 and 2007 1 (3016)
San Fransisco trades 1-2 and 5-2 (2644) for New Orleans 1-4, 2-4 and 4-4 (2650)

Round 1
1 Green Bay (Via Hou): Reggie Bush – Green Bay needs to establish a new identity with the end of the Favre era rapidly approaching so they trade up to get the best player out of college in years
2 New Orleans: Matt Leinart – Aaron Brooks has been benched, and NO needs something to get excited about so they jump ahead of the Jets to get Leinart
3 New York Jets: D’Brickashaw Ferguson – Missed out on the USC backfield, but end up with a top flight franchise tackle that will grade out well at the combine because of tremendous athleticism
4 San Fransisco: AJ Hawk – Need more defensive talent across the field, so they take the best defensive player available who fills a need even if Peterson stays
5 Houston (via GB): Eric Winston – Houston drops back to fill more holes and still gets the tackle they need. Will be able to play right tackle next year keeping Pitts at LT while Winston learns to play in the NFL, then will eventually move over to LT.
6 Tennessee: Mathias Kiwanuka – Freak of nature pass rusher that will remind Titans fans of Kearse
7 Buffalo: Rod Wright – Sam Adams getting old and could use another DT to anchor the line.
8 Cleveland: Chad Greenway – Crennell getting a lot out of a team with little talent looks to upgrade the talent at the LB position, critical for an effective 3-4 D
9 Arizona: Jay Cutler – Cutler looks to be this year’s Phillip Rivers who shoots up draft boards as the draft approaches, and the Cards certainly need a new QB
10 Detroit: Jimmy Williams – Provides the Lions with a pair of quality CB’s on the outside
11 Baltimore: Haloti Ngata – Ray Lewis could use someone like him clogging up the middle of the line
12 Oakland: Mario Williams – Oakland snatches up pass rushing phenom in no time
13 St. Louis: Tye Hill – St. Louis needs a corner in the worst kind of a way, and Hill will establish himself as the second best available behind Williams
14 Philadelphia: Jon Scott – Tackles are getting old (and have expiring contracts) and Scott can solidify that position for years to come
15 Miami: DeMarco Ryans – Seau is just about through and Ryans will be a great presence on that defense
16 Denver (from Washington): Darnell Bing – Bing decides to come out when he sees that he will likely be a first rounder, and the Broncos pick him up to take over for Lynch
17 Minnesota: Laurence Maroney – Minnesota brings in the local talent to solidify the running game
18 Atlanta: Laron Landry – Have a bunch of safeties on the roster, but none with the ability to make plays of Landry
19 Pittsburgh: Derek Hagan – Big receiver will play the role that Burress did and let Randle-El slide back in his more natural slot position
20 Kansas City: Santonio Holmes – Need a play maker at WR and that is exactly what Holmes brings to the table
21 New England: Ahmad Brooks – NE has built their dynasty on taking the best player available, and jump on Brooks who slips as a result of injury concerns
22 Dallas: Andrew Whitworth – Not as flashy or as much upside as some of the other tackles, but very consistent and will work hard, a factor Parcells will love
23 San Diego: Marcus McNeill – Drops because he is more of a right tackle than left, but will still be a dominate force on SD’s line
24 Tampa Bay: Bobby Carpenter – Pass rushing threat that TB could use out of the OLB position
25 Chicago: Mercedes Lewis – Falls a little cause other teams have bigger needs than TE, and Chicago is glad to pounce on this playmaker at a need position
26 Jacksonville: Tamba Hali – Jacksonville has great defensive tackles, but need more help on the outside of their D-line
27 Carolina: Leonard Pope – Huge target will make plays in the middle of the field, opening up things even more for Smith
28 New York Giants: Charles Gordon – Need to strengthen passing defense in order to continue upward swing
29 Cincinnati: Jesse Mahelona – Marvin Lewis could use another big nasty in the middle of his D-Line
30 Denver: Claude Wroten – The Browns exiles have done a good job so far, but Denver could still use an upgrade at defensive tackle, especially one who can get after the QB like Wroten
31 Seattle: Michael Huff – Not a lot of holes on this team, but a young stud free safety could help make this defense a little more dangerous
32 Indianapolis: DeAngelo Williams – I think they will resign Edge, but even if they do he is starting to get old, and its becoming more and more important to have two quality running backs in this league, so a team like the Colts who don’t have many glaring holes take the best player available.


Round 2
1 Houston: Abdul Hodge
2 San Francisco: Martin Nance
3 New York Jets: LenDale White
4 San Fransisco (Via NO): Alan Zemaitis
5 Houston (Via GB): Max Jean-Gilles
6 Tennessee: Daryn Colledge
7 Buffalo: Elvis Dumervil
8 Cleveland: Gabe Wtson
9 Arizona: D’Qwell Jackson
10 Detroit: Thomas Howard
11 Baltimore: Greg Jennings
12 Oakland: Anthony Schlegel
13 St. Louis: Greg Blue
14 Philadelphia: Ray Edwards
15 Miami: Paul Pinegar
16 Washington: Hank Baskett
17 Minnesota: Davin Joseph
18 Atlanta: Will Blackmon
19 Pittsburgh: Michael Bush
20 Kansas City: Kelly Jennings
21 New England: Chijioke Onyengecha
22 Dallas: Jason Allen
23 San Diego: Sinorice Moss
24 Tampa Bay: Winston Justice
25 Chicago: Demetrius Williams
26 Jacksonville: Ryan O'Callaghan
27 Carolina: Pat Watkins
28 New York Giants: Spencer Havner
29 Cincinnati: Greg Threat
30 Denver: Mark Setterstrom
31 Seattle: Manny Lawson
32 Indianapolis: Cedric Griffen


Round 3
1 Houston: Vernon Davis
2 San Francisco: Jerome Harrison
3 New York Jets: Ernie Sims
4 Houston (Via NO): Dwayne Slay
5 Green Bay: Brodrick Bunkley
6 Buffalo (Via Ten): Dominique Byrd
7 Buffalo: Greg Eslinger
8 Cleveland: Jeremy Trueblood
9 Arizona: Matt Lentz
10 Detroit: Jabari Levey
11 New England (Via Bal): Anwar Phillips
12 Oakland: Nate Salley
13 St. Louis: Fred Roach
14 Philadelphia: DeMario Minter
15 Miami: Mike DeGory
16 Washington: Justin London
17 Minnesota: Joel Klopfenstein
18 Atlanta: Aaron Lips
19 Pittsburgh: Antwan Allen
20 Kansas City: Mike Hass
21 New England: Jaxson Appel
22 Dallas: Aaron Harris
23 San Diego: Kevin Simon
24 Tampa Bay: Jason Spitz
25 Chicago: Charlie Peprah
26 Jacksonville: Tim Day
27 Carolina: Jason Avant
28 New York Giants: Jamaal Fudge
29 Cincinnati: Nick Mangold
30 Denver: Todd Watkins
31 Seattle: Josh Lay
32 Indianapolis: AJ Nicholson



Houston Picks:

1. Eric Winston – Tackle that can play right side at first and eventually move to left side. While Bush may have been nice there are just too many holes on this team to fill with one pick, especially one where we have one of our more competent players.
2.a. Abdul Hodge – I really think middle line backer is a huge need for this team, especially if a new coach comes in and switches to a 4-3. Even if the 3-4 remains Hodge can bump Greenwood or Wong to their more natural outside positions.
2.b. Max Jean-Gilles – Best guard available falls because guard is generally looked at as less of a need position and they tend to fall (see Eric Steinbach). Would be an upgrade at either guard position.
3.a. Vernon Davis – Stud TE falls because few teams are looking at TE as one of their top needs, especially in such a TE-rich draft
3.b. Dwayne Slay – Don’t really know much about him other than seems to be a huge hitter out of the FS position which would certainly be an upgrade over Coleman’s current brand of matador defense
4.a. Kyle Young – Lesser known but extremely talented center can challenge Hogdon right away for the starting spot
4.b. Marcus Maxey – Need depth at the corner position and Maxey provides the swagger necessary at the position
5. Jonathan Orr – Depth at the receiver position that could turn into a huge steal as his stock was sky high after his freshman season until he got injured, still a very productive player that can help the team
6. Charlie Whitehurst – There aren’t many quarterbacks at the top of this year’s draft but there are a bunch in the second day that have the potential to make rosters and be good backups. Whitehurst will solely add depth here, but may challenge Ragone eventually to be Carr’s primary back up
7. John Syptak – Tweener DE/OLB that has the potential to add a pass rushing threat to the team

Plus additional first rounder next year from GB

F-minus67
12-15-2005, 12:42 PM
Good job, but I don't see Vernon Davis dropping into the 3rd round.

Coach C.
12-15-2005, 01:27 PM
You obviously did some homework on this before you posted it. Not sure how accurate it is, but good job. Nice that you found a way to make sure the Texans get some people.
Things I like:
Dwayne Slay
Marcus Maxey
Eric Winston
the trade and Gilles
Things I did not like:
Vernon DAvis
Kyle Young> better center prospects will be available
J. Orr
Charlie Whitehurst> rather see Levon Nagy, another corner or DL

I really dont think we need to draft a TE. With a new system and say Teyo Johnson picked up in FA we dont need a TE.

rmartin65
12-15-2005, 06:00 PM
Who's John Syptak?

rmartin65
12-15-2005, 06:51 PM
He didnt even make my list... so i dont know much about him

K i found out hes a rice owl

Rice -- Talented athlete who should be one of the top defensive players in Conference USA in 2005... High-energy player who has made an impact on the Owl defense since his freshman season... Listed on most C-USA preseason honor teams, and is on the watch list for the Hendricks Trophy as the nation's best defensive end... Moved into the starting lineup as a sophomore to lead the D-line in tackles, TFLs and sacks, repeating as a junior... Enters his senior season with 169 career tackles (101 primary), including 28 for 124 yards in losses... Has 12 career sacks (fifth all-time at Rice) and 28 TFLs (tied for seventh)... Has started the last 23 games for the Owls at defensive end. 2004: Selected first-team all-Western Athletic Conference by the league coaches... CoSIDA academic all-district and an academic all-WAC team member... Shared a Jess Neely Defense Award with Jeremy Calahan as the Owls' top defensive lineman... Started all 11 games as a junior... Led the defensive line with 69 tackles (40 primary), including 15 for 86 yards in losses... Had a season-high 10 tackles in the double-overtime game at UTEP... Credited with three TFLs for 24 yards in the season-opening win over Houston at Reliant Stadium... Also had three TFLs at Nevada... Had two sacks against both Houston and Hawaii, both Rice wins... Forced a fumble against UTEP and had a pass deflection at Nevada... His eight sacks in `04 equaled the second-best season total ever at Rice (Ndukwe Kalu also had eight in 1994), and his 15 TFLs equal the fifth-best season total in Rice history. 2003: Started all 12 games at defensive end... Led the defensive line with 81 tackles (45 primary), including 12 for 33 yards in losses... Led Rice in sacks with four for 24 yards lost... Had his career-high of 11 tackles against Houston and Duke in the first two games of the year, and added 10 stops against Navy... Four of his TFLs came against Duke, and he added two more in the win at Louisiana Tech... Those 12 TFLs equaled the sixth-best season total ever at Rice... Led the Owls with four fumbles recovered, all coming in the final three games of the season... Recovered two fumbles at La.Tech, and forced fumbles against Houston and SJSU. 2002: Recorded 19 tackles (16 primary) in nine games for the Owls... Had two tackles for loss amassing five yards... Recovered one fumble playing as a true freshman.

High School -- 2002 graduate of Bellville High... Three-year starter for coach Huey Chancellor... Helped lead the Brahmas reach the regional finals of the Class 3A Division I playoffs three years in a row while compiling a composite 27-10 record... All-Austin County and all-District 25-3A... County and district defensive MVP... First-team all-Tri-County linebacker as a senior, and the Brahmas' most valuable defensive lineman in 2001... Team captain as a junior and senior... Also a four-year letterman in baseball, winning all-district honors as a junior catcher... Four-year academic all-district honoree... Valedictorian of his graduating class... Activities include National Honor Society, Latin Club, Boys State, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and two-year member of the student council... Won Bellville's citizenship award... Sophomore class favorite.
Cool, thanks.

royce1054
12-15-2005, 06:59 PM
http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showplayer.php?key=Vernon%20Davis*
Vernon Davis
Pros: INCREDIBLE athlete, Very fast for his size, set all the TE records at Maryland for lifting, only 3% body fat, great receiving skills, will go and get the ball rather than wait for it to come to him, rarely drops passes, can find the hole in zones, decent blocker, workout warrior
Cons: Could work on his blocking to up his value, not the biggest TE compared to Lewis or Pope, no glaring holes, just needs to refine his techniques and keep getting better, limited potential size-wise
Draft Exchange Analysis:
When it comes to physical specimens, Vernon Davis is as good as it gets. He has wrote the record books at Maryland claiming the top spot in bench (460), power clean (355), vertical jump (40 inches), index (797), squat (685) and 40-yard dash time (4.41) for tight ends at maryland. He also has only 3% body fat. While many may lay claim that he is just an athlete, he has 51 receptions for 871 yards and 6 TDs on the year. He also is decent at blocking and isn’t a liability in the run game. He’s got the skills, the ability, its now just up to him to transition his game to the pros.

One Word To Describe Davis: Physical Freak!

Most Like: Ben Watson (New England Patriots)

Best Fits: Arizona, Detroit, New Orleans, Jacksonville, Buffalo
Worst Fits: Houston, Carolina, Chicago


from umterps.collegesports.com:

2004 (Sophomore): Saw action in all 11 games as an H-back, starting six ... led the Terps with 441 receiving yards (on 27 receptions) with a team-high three touchdown catches ... finished eighth in the ACC with 40.1 receiving yards per game ... (at UVa) ... set a career high with 104 receiving yards on five receptions ... took a pass up the right sideline for a 46-yard reception late in the third quarter ... split a pair of defenders across the middle after catching a pass from Jordan Steffy in the fourth quarter, picking up 43 yards on the play ... (vs. FSU) ... had a career-high six receptions for 99 yards ... took a short Statham pass and ran after the catch for a 33-yard reception, hurdling two Florida State defenders and falling two yards short of the end zone in the second quarter, setting up Maryland's first touchdown ... (at Duke) ... had four catches for 101 yards and three touchdowns ... three touchdowns tied a school single-game record ... was named John Mackey Award Tight End of the Week and received ACC Player of the Week honors ... caught a Joel Statham pass 20 yards downfield, stayed in bounds and took it to the end zone for a 29-yard touchdown ... broke three tackles and gained 30 yards after the catch on a five-yard out for a 35-yard touchdown early in the second half ... (vs. NIU)... made his first career start and finished with five receptions for 72 yards ... 39-yard reception in the second quarter was the team's long play from scrimmage and led to a 43-yard Nick Novak field goal.

2003 (Freshman): Saw the most consistent action of any true freshman, playing in all 13 contests ... finished with five receptions for 59 yards and eight solo special teams tackles ... (vs. WVU in the Gator Bowl) ... made his most athletic play of the season, taking a quick out and turning it into a 28-yard gain, making would-be tacklers miss and breaking tackles along the way ... (at EMU) ... first career game with multiple receptions (two) ... second career reception was good for a first down, keeping the Terps' first scoring drive alive ... narrowly missed first career punt block as he nearly got a piece of one in the first quarter ... had two solo tackles on special teams ... (vs. WVU) ... his lone tackle of the game came on a big hit on special teams during the second quarter, forcing the Mountaineers' drive to begin at their own 18-yard line ... (at FSU) ... had his first career reception, which came on a 1-yard pass from Orlando Evans in the fourth quarter ... (at NIU) ... saw action on punt and kick coverage teams in his first career action as a Terp ... the lone true freshman to play in the season-opener.


http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showplayer.php?key=Leonard%20Pope*
Leonard Pope

Pros: Great size, uses his body well, hard to out-jump, a big mismatch, can and will stretch the field, sure handed, doesn’t drop passes
Cons: Blocking skills are in question, needs to be more physical for his size, needs to get tougher, could add some more weight on his frame if need be
Draft Exchange Analysis:
So far this season, Leonard Pope has been a pleasant surprise at Tight End. He has a good combination of size and speed that allows him to use his size to his advantage. It also doesn’t hurt that he has suction cups for hands and doesn’t drop passes. So far this year, he has 32 catches for 474 yards with 3 TDs. While he may not be the most productive out of the Tight Ends this year (Lewis and Davis both have +700 yards), he has just as much potential as both of them. Being 6’7’’ makes him a huge red zone target and allows him to add more weight if necessary. If he does add weight, it would be so he can handle his blocking duties better in the NFL. He hasn’t had to block very much in college so the jury is out on him until he proves he can. Regardless, Leonard Pope should be considered a round 2 lock if he decides to come out.

One Word To Describe Pope: Well-Rounded

Most Like: Courtney Anderson (Oakland Raiders)

Best Fits: Detroit, Chicago, Cincinnati, Jacksonville
Worst Fits: Houston, Arizona


From georgiadogs.collegesports.com/


College: 2003 -- Played in 12 games as backup TE during '03 season....named to the SEC All-Freshman Team by The Sporting News.....part of Georgia team that won 32 games from 2001-03 and ranked among the top five teams nationally in winning percentage during that time.

2004 -- Oustanding spring....caught one pass for 16 yards in annual spring G-Day game....after not catching at TD pass in his first 17 games, he caught at least one TD pass in five of the last six regular season games including two in victory over Florida....team's third leading receiver with 25 catches for 482 yards...All-SEC first team by the Associated Press and the SEC coaches...named recipient of the Offensive Most Improved Player Award and the Special Teams Performance Award (for his game vs. Florida) at conclusion of the '04 season....recipient of Victors Club Award for outstanding grades in eight or more games...three receptions for 65 yards in 2005 Outback Bowl victory over Wisconsin....part of team that has posted 42-10 record from 2001-04 (sixth best in the country), three straight seasons of 10 or more wins, three straight bowl victories, and three consecutive national top six finishes

2005-- Named to the 2005 John Mackey Award Watch List week of August 1st by the Nassau County Sports Commission... Major: Sports Studies

http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showplayer.php?key=Tim%20Day
Tim Day
Pros: Great size, LOTS of potential, very productive pass catcher, can get downfield, good speed, amazing hands, doesn’t drop passes, breaks tackles easily, can turn short plays into long ones
Cons: Has had a few minor injuries in the past, needs to get better at blocking, not as productive as other TEs, needs to work on route running
Draft Exchange Analysis:
Marcedes Lewis may be the best receiving Tight End, Vernon Davis may be the most athletic, and Leonard Pope might be the biggest, but Tim Day is the most balanced. Tim Day has all the tools necessary to be successful at the next level, size (6’4” 265 lbs) speed (4.7 40 time) and strength (390 lb bench, 505 lb squat). While Day has the potential and talent to be a great Tight End, he has been slowed down his college career by minor injuries (should injury in 2003, foot injury in 2004). He also hasn’t produced like Marcedes Lewis, Vernon Davis, and Leonard Pope have. Despite all this, I still feel that his talent and potential is too great to be ignored, and in the right system, can flourish. Tim Day will be best fit with a team that needs a good Tight End that can block and catch well, a team seeking balance.

One Word T Describe Day: Balanced

Most Like: Ben Troupe (Tennessee Titans)

Best Fits: Houston, Chicago, Carolina, Cincinnati, New Orleans
Worst Fits: Detroit, Buffalo


From Goducks.com:


OREGON — Arguably the most physically gifted tight end in school history, his mere presence on the field offers the potential to change the course of any game. No better example exists than a short 2003 catch against California in which he converted into a 31-yard touchdown and ignited a 14-point turnaround. The two-time all-conference pick’s 12 career TD catches falls three shy of the school record at that position. Yet overshadowing his own talents are the opportunities he creates for others. While injuries have diminished his productivity in the the past, coaches remain anxious to witness the impact a healthy Day can generate over the course of an entire season. Possesses the flexibility to find the open seam over the middle as well as run by and over defenders in the open field. Matches deceptive speed with power as he tested second at his position in school history with a 390-lb. bench press in the spring following a second-best power clean lift (341 lbs.) and third-best squat (505) in 2003.

2004 — A foot injury proved to be the best defense against the potentially overpowering tight end. Despite playing at less than full strength in all 11 games (9 starts), he posted the sixth-most single-season catches by a player at his position in school history and still came within six receptions of equalling the most by an Oregon tight end on record in one year. Totals occurred despite participating in only eight plays vs. UCLA and unable to answer the bell in the second half in a one-point loss at California. The second-team all-conference honoree and Ducks’ third-leading receiver still managed to rank second on the team in receiving yards per game (41.5 avg.). Caught more touchdown passes than any other tight end in the league (8) while ranking third among Pac-10’s tight ends in receiving yards and fourth in catches. Eight grabs for 152 yards and two scores at Washington State (all in the second half) represented third-most single-game yards ever by an Oregon tight end, while catches ranked fourth at that position. Effort was rewarded by him being named team’s weekly Offensive Player of the Week. Caught pair of TD passes vs. Idaho, Washington State, California and Oregon State.

2003 — A shoulder injury early in the season delayed development but once healthy, the depths of his potential and strength were evident. Despite battling through the injury, Day played in all 13 games and started 11 of those contests. After totaling 11 catches for 148 yards and one score in Oregon’s first nine games, the first-year starter exploded in the Ducks’ final four contests, grabbing 12 catches for 170 yards and two touchdowns, including a season-best four catches for 69 yards vs. California. No single play was any more key to his confidence as well as the team’s fortunes than his fourth-quarter touchdown vs. the Bears as he converted a short reception into a 31-yard score to key a 14-point turnaround and help the Ducks overcome a 10-point deficit in the final six minutes. Also provided scoring catches at Arizona State and UCLA. Was a vital component of Oregon’s offensive game plan vs. No. 3 Michigan, catching three passes for 57 yards, including a 31-yard pass from Jason Fife that set up an Oregon score in the second quarter. Finished the season as the Ducks’ third-most prolific receiver en route to earning honorable mention all-Pac-10 honors.

2002 — Saw action in all 13 games as a reserve in a system that relies on multiple players at his outpost and possesses potential to continue tradition of school’s decorated tight end standouts. Had three catches for 18 yards, his longest a 14-yard reception versus Portland State. A strong blocker off the line and a quick, physical player, he established himself as a prime back his first season.

2001 — Earned commendations for aiding preparations against UCLA and California as scout team’s offensive player of the week.

rmartin65
12-15-2005, 07:10 PM
I dont know why, but I like guys from smaller schools in the later rounds. I just think that people have not heard of them and thats why they dont get picked. Just my opinion...

TexasJedi
12-15-2005, 09:14 PM
Why is every player listed, but Tim Day listed as "Worst Fit" for Houston?

royce1054
12-15-2005, 09:16 PM
Why is every player listed, but Tim Day listed as "Worst Fit" for Houston?

bc the writer of that profile felt taht way

rmartin65
12-16-2005, 03:35 PM
Why is every player listed, but Tim Day listed as "Worst Fit" for Houston?
Houston does not throw to the TE's.

royce1054
12-16-2005, 04:15 PM
Houston does not throw to the TE's.


Dont you think that is 1 of the problems? We need another target down field. Right now the D knows we dont have a TE down field so they dont really have to gaurd him. If we had a good receiving TE say along the lines of Gates, Gonzalez, Heap, Shockley, Crumpler you have another threat right there. Now you dont have to just watch DD, AJ, Gaffney, Mathis or armstrong. Plus maybe even Carr scrambling. You couldnt blitzas much if we were to dump one off and let him run over people. I think getting an All around TE would benefit this team.

rmartin65
12-16-2005, 04:29 PM
True.