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Galaxie78
12-14-2005, 06:06 PM
I was just curious on everyones thoughts on how David Carr has done so far. I still believe that he is a franchise QB. It isn't easy to be thrown into a brand new franchise your rookie year and expect to take off.

Texan Asylum
12-14-2005, 06:19 PM
I was just curious on everyones thoughts on how David Carr has done so far. I still believe that he is a franchise QB. It isn't easy to be thrown into a brand new franchise your rookie year and expect to take off.
As I posted earlier, unless something is done with this OL we'll never see the
true maturation of this truly gifted QB. With that being said, if nothing is done
than the value of DC is wasted if we continue on our present course of
playing around with getting the right personel for the OL.

houstonhurricane
12-14-2005, 06:29 PM
Agreed regarding the OL. However, the dink and dunk offense that we are running is not going to give us an accurate picture of what Carr has to offer long term. I would like to see some shotgun/2 minute run offense during the game to let him get the ball downfield. I have the sneaking suspicion that Reeves will "request" that Carr make more deep throws so he can asses his skills.

Vinny
12-14-2005, 06:35 PM
I have the sneaking suspicion that Reeves will "request" that Carr make more deep throws so he can asses his skills.Reeves is McNair's consultant, not Dom's tip hotline. I seriously doubt Dan tells Dom much of anything as it pertains to game planning.

Carr is a prototype QB who is tough, with a big arm and can make all the throws. He also has a wooden style in the pocket and has a poor feel for the pass rush. He is a slow decision maker and tends to throw better when he is chunking the rock to someone standing still, sitting in a zone, or in the flat. I don't see that he is very accurate on passes other than hitches, come backs, slants and outs. Carr could be a late bloomer but with his lack of instinct and little to no innate feel for the game, I think his improvement over the next few years will not be big. I think he is a low level starter in the NFL but is no franchise QB.

Texan Asylum
12-14-2005, 06:38 PM
Have you ever noticed that DC never looses his temper? With the hits he's
taken and the dropped passes my 4 year old could catch makes you wonder if his interaction with the other players has been reined in just like is passing
skills.

houstonhurricane
12-14-2005, 06:41 PM
Vinny,

If you don't think that Reeves will have that kind of stroke by the end of this season, I think you are sorely mistaken. He is here to evaluate the team, which I think equates to more power than any of us realize...yet.

Vinny
12-14-2005, 06:45 PM
Vinny,

If you don't think that Reeves will have that kind of stroke by the end of this season, I think you are sorely mistaken. He is here to evaluate the team, which I think equates to more power than any of us realize...yet.How can he evaulate the decisions made if he is making them? sooooooo, I think you are the one who is mistaken....but it certainly would not be the first time for me as well.

Texan Asylum
12-14-2005, 06:52 PM
So long fellow Texans fans and thanks for the responses on my first ever posts to any website. It was a very educational experience.

houstonhurricane
12-14-2005, 06:55 PM
Vinny,

Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part. I don't think he (Reeves) is really evaluating the coaching/GM positions because they are already cooked. I believe he is looking at various players (O-line/Carr/DD/entire defense sans Robinson) to evaluate their abilities and long-term value to this franchise. If that means requesting, via Casserly, to Capers that they want to see certain things...I think he would easily get that - especially if McNair has given him cart blanche.

Regardless, I appreciate the good dialogue on this topic and hope we can find a way to right this ship - preferably without Reeves as the next HC.

Ryan
12-14-2005, 06:55 PM
He will be around for at least a couple more years

Bobo
12-14-2005, 08:15 PM
I was just curious on everyones thoughts on how David Carr has done so far. I still believe that he is a franchise QB. It isn't easy to be thrown into a brand new franchise your rookie year and expect to take off.

I have to agree. David Carr has had some success in the past, despite being on a team that has only been around four years.

real
12-14-2005, 08:26 PM
I think QB's are hard to gauge because they are a direct reflection of the talent around them...but that being said, the only way I think we could get a fair judgement on carr is to see someone else, any one else play with our current team...

Bobo
12-14-2005, 08:33 PM
Every team drops a ball now and then, but it seems to happen a lot on this squad, even our super stud AJ.

One Pro Bowl season does not a "super stud" make. Is he part of the long-term future of the team? Of course. But just because his future is secure does not make him a "super stud." Take away his time off for injury and you had one strong game. The rest were pretty average to poor. He could very well turn out to be a good player, but he has yet to prove himself to be a super stud. In fact, I don't see anyone on the Texans who has achieved that yet.

Nighthawk
12-14-2005, 08:43 PM
Reeves is McNair's consultant, not Dom's tip hotline. I seriously doubt Dan tells Dom much of anything as it pertains to game planning.

Carr is a prototype QB who is tough, with a big arm and can make all the throws. He also has a wooden style in the pocket and has a poor feel for the pass rush. He is a slow decision maker and tends to throw better when he is chunking the rock to someone standing still, sitting in a zone, or in the flat. I don't see that he is very accurate on passes other than hitches, come backs, slants and outs. Carr could be a late bloomer but with his lack of instinct and little to no innate feel for the game, I think his improvement over the next few years will not be big. I think he is a low level starter in the NFL but is no franchise QB.

Amen to most of that. Accurate and unvarnished.

run-david-run
12-14-2005, 08:53 PM
One Pro Bowl season does not a "super stud" make. Is he part of the long-term future of the team? Of course. But just because his future is secure does not make him a "super stud." Take away his time off for injury and you had one strong game. The rest were pretty average to poor. He could very well turn out to be a good player, but he has yet to prove himself to be a super stud. In fact, I don't see anyone on the Texans who has achieved that yet.
I think he means that in relation to our other WR's. In regards to his brief credentials, at the start of this season he had more receiving yards then Jerry Rice, Marvinn Harisson or Tim Brown did at that point in their career... I think thats grounds for being called a "stud"...:penalty:

HoustonFan
12-14-2005, 09:04 PM
Definitely regressed. I agree that the O-line needs to get the long overdue upgrades in the off season. Last season and as well as season 2 I was very excited about David Carr. This season has been disappointing. I hope he's able to shake getting sacked - that seems to be a phobia that has haunted him to the point of him sacking himself.

I HOPE THEY MAKE THE RIGHT MOVES IN THE OFFSEASON!!!!!

ArlingtonTexan
12-14-2005, 09:39 PM
With the number of games that Carr has played, i believe he is what he is. he belongs the middle group QBs in the league and is not a difference maker, but is good enough if he has most of the parts in place. As for positive difference makers there are only a handful maybe around 5 and even by the most liberal judgement 8-10. the question is really where in that middle is he? He finished somewhere around 16 in passer rating and i think that is pretty accurate.

IMO, last year was reflective of what can be expected from Carr. At times, he is going to look the part of a really good player. Others he is going to seem to forget even the basics. The inconsistent play will vary to game to game; season to season. I never expected Carr to totally suck for an extended period, but only to tease fans on the upper end.

Like QBs in this range, Plummer, Bledsoe, Collins, etc, if he has really good surroundings with a coach he understands what Carr's strengths and weaknesses are and do not ask too much of him, a team can be fine with him at QB. If a team depends on Carr to be a savior, then they are in trouble.

Tulip
12-14-2005, 10:00 PM
Have you ever noticed that DC never looses his temper? With the hits he's
taken and the dropped passes my 4 year old could catch makes you wonder if his interaction with the other players has been reined in just like is passing
skills.

Oh, he's pitched a few fits on the field.

To answer the original question, I haven't given up on him. I do think he should have been benched for Tony Banks and forced to compete for his starting job, but I think he has the skill and talent to achieve in this league. He just can't do it under this regime.

Napa Auto Parts
12-14-2005, 10:26 PM
I was just curious on everyones thoughts on how David Carr has done so far. I still believe that he is a franchise QB. It isn't easy to be thrown into a brand new franchise your rookie year and expect to take off.



David is great i think he should be the face of the franchise for years to come he is way ahead of all the young QB's in the league. i mean what more do you want from a QB he can read and pick apart every defense in this league. i can honestly say he never Lock on to his primary target. so in other words his progression has been good.

Kaiser Toro
12-14-2005, 11:36 PM
Reeves is McNair's consultant, not Dom's tip hotline. I seriously doubt Dan tells Dom much of anything as it pertains to game planning.

Carr is a prototype QB who is tough, with a big arm and can make all the throws. He also has a wooden style in the pocket and has a poor feel for the pass rush. He is a slow decision maker and tends to throw better when he is chunking the rock to someone standing still, sitting in a zone, or in the flat. I don't see that he is very accurate on passes other than hitches, come backs, slants and outs. Carr could be a late bloomer but with his lack of instinct and little to no innate feel for the game, I think his improvement over the next few years will not be big. I think he is a low level starter in the NFL but is no franchise QB.

Not another Carr petition that I have to sign up for? Pardon me while I piggy back on your words.

JDizzle
12-15-2005, 10:16 AM
David is great i think he should be the face of the franchise for years to come he is way ahead of all the young QB's in the league. i mean what more do you want from a QB he can read and pick apart every defense in this league. i can honestly say he never Lock on to his primary target. so in other words his progression has been good.

LOL. Are you serious or kidding here? I'm not sure how to respond to that. He locks on to targets all too often .... I remember he did it several times against STL and the scrub corner that was covering AJ nearly jumped it and took it to the house. He never pump fakes and I've never seen him do anything deceitful to a defense, and when he throws deep sometimes I think he's seriously trying to nail a peanut vendor in the back of the head. He's hardly the savvy QB I would consider a "franchise QB for years to come".

Kaiser Toro
12-15-2005, 10:22 AM
Don't talk about progression! Are you kidding me? Progression?! I'm just hoping he can win a game.