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David's Busted Carr
12-14-2005, 11:12 AM
You mean to tell me Bob McNair hired Dan Reeves to come in, evaluate his team, tell him who needs to stay and who needs to go, and then exit stage left? PLEASE! He's just giving Reeves a head start to evaluate HIS future team. It will give him a much better chance to evaluate what he needs via draft and free agency this offseason rather than waiting until after the season is over. He'll get to see the players in action first hand.

I think McNair just has too much respect (or not enough balls) to fire Dom Capers. So he's kind of easing a new coach in I guess hoping Dom will resign. Reeves is no GM either, so I think either Casserly stays or we'll get a new GM. He's not there to take Charley's job.

And one final thought. McNair has maintained all along that he wants to have an "experienced" NFL coach. He doesn't want to bring in someone who has no NFL head coaching experinence. And Reeves fits that to a tee.

I'm not too terribly dissapointed about it. We could have done better, but we could have done worse (Martz or Mariucci). The only concern I have with Reeves is that he has a track record of problems getting along with certain people, but then again maybe that's what we need. A coach who's not afraid to get in someone's grill and ream them out of they screw up. That is a major flaw I see with Capers. He's way too passive of a coach for me.

So get ready for the Dan Reeves era to begin in Houston in 2006!

HJam72
12-14-2005, 11:16 AM
Ok. :)

Texas_Thrill
12-14-2005, 11:16 AM
All I can say is how depressing if you're right. :crying:

yako0o
12-14-2005, 11:16 AM
Texans | Reeves could be next coach; Hill in charge of personnel
Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:18:55 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Dan Reeves could be the next head coach of the Houston Texans and Ron Hill could run their personnel department, probably as vice president of football operations. Reeves admitted Monday, Dec. 12, when owner Bob McNair hired him as a consultant to evaluate the team's talent that he's still interested in coaching if the right situation were available. Although McNair won't admit it publicly, when he shocked the NFL by hiring Reeves, he showed he has lost faith in general manager Charley Casserly. After the 2005 season, Casserly could follow head coach Dom Capers out the doo

Blake
12-14-2005, 11:18 AM
Both Bob, and Dan said that he is not there to be a threat, or take either of those 2 jobs.

Johnny Utah
12-14-2005, 11:19 AM
There will be a lot of pissed off fans, and non-ticket renews if this happens. With the media already ripping Reeves I see a real negative reaction by the fans.

cadahnic
12-14-2005, 11:19 AM
That is true, but I do think that Dan Reeves and Bob Hill could end up coming in as GM and vice pres. This would open the door to hire Kubiak at HC. It would be a good situation for our team if this is how it played out. Not sure if it would play out that way though.

Blake
12-14-2005, 11:20 AM
"Both Bob, and Dan said that he is not there to be a threat, or take either of those 2 jobs."

-ME

Why would they beat around the bush, or lie about it? If Dan was being considered for the job, why would they lie?

Also, I think that the only reason this is a big deal, is because its a past head coach doing the evaluation. Thats why they want everyone to be clear, that this is what he is here for.

cadahnic
12-14-2005, 11:21 AM
Reeves will likely come in as a GM rather than HC. He would then use Bob Hill as his vice president over personel. Kubiak would then be the HC

touttail
12-14-2005, 11:23 AM
Surely McNair can do better than Reeves!!!!!!!
I just can't make myself think that Reeves will be the next Texan coach!

Bobby 119C:brickwall

Ibar_Harry
12-14-2005, 11:24 AM
I read that article, as well, and its hard to make much of it, because of the sour grapes obviously being poured forth by McLain. I was for Reeves long ago if you check my posts, but as an interim not this role. This muddies the water and I have personly been through this kind of nonsense. It ususally results in a complete house cleaning. I think McNair would have been better off to fire Capers and all his coaches except for perhaps Marciano and start evaluating the talent for the remainder of the season. After finding out how the talent was selected and of what quality it is or was, then a decision on Casserly would be made. I still think Casserly has been as much a victum of this coaching staff as anyone. I think Reeves brings and interesting mix to the team as a coach. He obviously understands the offensive side of the ball from all respects. If he picks up Wade Phillips then you have the defensive side taken care of as well. The big problem remains and will continue to remain until a good offensive line coach can come in and pick up the pieces. I still think we have more O-line talent than we think, but its never been healthy and never coached well.

Big B Texan Fan
12-14-2005, 11:26 AM
Both Bob, and Dan said that he is not there to be a threat, or take either of those 2 jobs.
Of course he said that, they are trying to keep the natives calm.

Also, wasn't Reeves told before the season was over (@Falcons) that he was gonna be replaced then quit on the spot. How does he have the gall to accept this job knowing how it must feel. I'm glad the guy is here but c'mon, that's kinda crappy if you ask me.

Tulip
12-14-2005, 11:26 AM
You mean to tell me Bob McNair hired Dan Reeves to come in, evaluate his team, tell him who needs to stay and who needs to go, and then exit stage left?

Yes. That is what I believe. McNair is not a football guy, and he doesn't trust what his own staff is telling him. He felt he needed a fresh set of eyes to give him advice on how to stop the hemorrhaging.

Kaiser Toro
12-14-2005, 11:26 AM
Texans | Reeves could be next coach; Hill in charge of personnel
Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:18:55 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Dan Reeves could be the next head coach of the Houston Texans and Ron Hill could run their personnel department, probably as vice president of football operations. Reeves admitted Monday, Dec. 12, when owner Bob McNair hired him as a consultant to evaluate the team's talent that he's still interested in coaching if the right situation were available. Although McNair won't admit it publicly, when he shocked the NFL by hiring Reeves, he showed he has lost faith in general manager Charley Casserly. After the 2005 season, Casserly could follow head coach Dom Capers out the doo

The source tells me everything. I am not buying anything McClain is selling. I have never been a fan of a team that has a beat reporter more out of tune with the team that they are covering.

MorKnolle
12-14-2005, 11:26 AM
Reeves is not going to be the coach here, he may end up being GM which I wouldn't really have a problem with, that would pretty much guarantee Kubiak as head coach.

The source tells me everything. I am not buying anything McClain is selling. I have never been a fan of a team that has a beat reporter more out of tune with the team that they are covering.

I agree, I'm not sure I've read anything of McClain's that I could say was credible writing.

Big B Texan Fan
12-14-2005, 11:29 AM
Let's face it, we're 3-5 years away from making noise in the playoffs. We'll be lucky if AJ is still on the roster when we make it. Take Bush, build around him, get a bada** MLB, build around him and let the waiting begin.

Ibar_Harry
12-14-2005, 11:29 AM
"Both Bob, and Dan said that he is not there to be a threat, or take either of those 2 jobs."

-ME

Why would they beat around the bush, or lie about it? If Dan was being considered for the job, why would they lie?

Also, I think that the only reason this is a big deal, is because its a past head coach doing the evaluation. Thats why they want everyone to be clear, that this is what he is here for.

Actually it gives McNair and out should either Capers or Casserly suddenly takes offense and resigns. It could happen, but Capers simply can't believe he can't turn it around. Casserly is the person who was most annoyed on the surface and the most likely to resign in my estimation. However, I believe Capers needs to leave immediately, but that is not what McNair is hinting at.

Double Barrel
12-14-2005, 11:31 AM
I think Reeves will be our next GM, and possibly Kubiak as HC. Not a bad combination, IMO.

Vinny
12-14-2005, 11:32 AM
I think Reeves will be our next GM, and possibly Kubiak as HC. Not a bad combination, IMO.Why Kubiak? He is closer to Wade Phillips than Kubiak (if you are going to toss names out).

cadahnic
12-14-2005, 11:32 AM
Mork I agree. I doubt Reeves comes in at anything other than GM or player personel man. Especially if we get Kubiak who does not respone overly well to the media. You have a seasoned vet like Reeves to sheild him somewhat and Kubiak takes this team of talented young men out of mediocrity.

Vinny
12-14-2005, 11:34 AM
The only thing I'm going to 'face' is we don't have a clue what this management team will look like in 4 months.

HJam72
12-14-2005, 11:35 AM
The way things are going, McNair will soon announce that Reeves is our new special teams coach and everything else stays the same. :crying:

Ibar_Harry
12-14-2005, 11:39 AM
The only thing I'm going to 'face' is we don't have a clue what this management team will look like in 4 months.

May be he will tell McNair to sell the Texans. While that is a remote possibility its a possibility. In a situation like this all options are on the table. This is a move somewhere in between not doing anything and the firing of Much by the Lions.

HJam72
12-14-2005, 11:42 AM
May be he will tell McNair to sell the Texans. While that is a remote possibility its a possibility. In a situation like this all options are on the table. This is a move somewhere in between not doing anything and the firing of Much by the Lions.

I don't think I like that idea. :cool:

touttail
12-14-2005, 11:46 AM
The only thing I'm going to 'face' is we don't have a clue what this management team will look like in 4 months.

No kidding-------so much speculation going on, who knows who will be where!

Bobby 119C:brickwall

Vinny
12-14-2005, 11:48 AM
May be he will tell McNair to sell the Texans. While that is a remote possibility its a possibility. In a situation like this all options are on the table. This is a move somewhere in between not doing anything and the firing of Much by the Lions. This is why I hold your words up above all others. It's amazing how astute your comments are on a day-in, day-out basis.

Double Barrel
12-14-2005, 11:53 AM
The only thing I'm going to 'face' is we don't have a clue what this management team will look like in 4 months.

yep, me, too. The Kubiak comment was pure speculation, and from what I gather, he's turned down HC offers in the past.

I picked Kubiak over Philips due to the potential we have on offense. Wade has already had his try at a HC position, and IIRC, he didn't fair too well (correct me if I'm wrong).

Honestly, though, I'm with you. No idea what the front office will look like in the next few months.

Vinny
12-14-2005, 11:56 AM
I picked Kubiak over Philips due to the potential we have on offense. Wade has already had his try at a HC position, and IIRC, he didn't fair too well (correct me if I'm wrong).

Honestly, though, I'm with you. No idea what the front office will look like in the next few months.He has probably done better than you think. When the Chargers won the AFC West and qualified for the playoffs in 2004 on the heels of a 4-12 season in 2003, Phillips kept his streak intact of helping to turn teams with nonwinning records into playoff participants the following year. The last six times Phillips has taken over as a defensive coordinator or head coach for a team that had a nonwinning record, his new team went to the playoffs. http://www.chargers.com/team/coachbio_phillips.cfm

Ibar_Harry
12-14-2005, 11:57 AM
I'm sorry Ibar, I highly doubt with everything Houston went through to get a team back to Houston that McNair will ever sell it. Reeves and McNair would break up as friends if Reeves told him that.

My point and like Vinny everything is speculation and its always a remote possibility. I don't think that's what Bob is thinking right now, but who knows. What is surprising is that no one so far has resigned. I still say the Reeves move gives Bob and out should anyone pull a Reeves.

MorKnolle
12-14-2005, 11:59 AM
May be he will tell McNair to sell the Texans. While that is a remote possibility its a possibility. In a situation like this all options are on the table. This is a move somewhere in between not doing anything and the firing of Much by the Lions.

I'll offer Mr. McNair everything in my piggybank for the team :) I got about $1000 waiting in my bank account too. I'm also looking at buying the Saints in a couple years when their value drops a bunch and move them to LA. Anyone else want to toss some money in and be partners?

That aside, I am also getting quite tired of all the speculation on it, so let's cut it back a little until after the season is done unless some kind of real news is actually acquired on it, but the continuous speculation and repitition of the same posts is getting old.

cadahnic
12-14-2005, 12:01 PM
Vinny nice post about Phillips. Bottomline Phillips is also a homegrown guy that is talented with defense. He has had a good coaching career, but he tends to ruffle feathers with the higher ups like his father. I think he will be interviewed, but I doubt he will become our next HC. I think they are looking for someone a slight bit younger.

cadahnic
12-14-2005, 12:01 PM
I will put up the rest Mork.

Ibar_Harry
12-14-2005, 12:03 PM
My point and like Vinny everything is speculation and its always a remote possibility. I don't think that's what Bob is thinking right now, but who knows. What is surprising is that no one so far has resigned. I still say the Reeves move gives Bob and out should anyone pull a Reeves.

This might have even been a premptive move, because he caught wind someone was going to try to force the issue by resigning and placing more pressure on the organization when it wasn't ready to deal with it. This move has a lot of intrigue associated with it, but it has to give Bob a great deal more comfort than you might think. He can't be intimidated by anyone, because has someone who could step into almost any position if it was necessary.

JDizzle
12-14-2005, 12:07 PM
Actually it gives McNair and out should either Capers or Casserly suddenly takes offense and resigns. It could happen, but Capers simply can't believe he can't turn it around. Casserly is the person who was most annoyed on the surface and the most likely to resign in my estimation. However, I believe Capers needs to leave immediately, but that is not what McNair is hinting at.

I'm pretty sure Capers knew he was gone long before that press conference. He's too classy to pout.

Before the Dan Reeves hiring, I think Casserly thought he had a shot at keeping his job next season, then he finds out that Dan Reeves is basically going to tell his boss that he stinks as a GM. Sure, McNair said he's not here to critique the coach or GM, but you've got to think Reeves will do it anyways since he's been associated with both for a couple of decades; it would be hard for him not to.

I don't have a problem with him having a role with us similar to Nolan Ryan's with the Astros, I just don't want to see him or the 3 - 4 on the field next season.

Double Barrel
12-14-2005, 12:10 PM
He has probably done better than you think. http://www.chargers.com/team/coachbio_phillips.cfm

"When the Chargers won the AFC West and qualified for the playoffs in 2004 on the heels of a 4-12 season in 2003, Phillips kept his streak intact of helping to turn teams with nonwinning records into playoff participants the following year. The last six times Phillips has taken over as a defensive coordinator or head coach for a team that had a nonwinning record, his new team went to the playoffs."

Interesting...and you know he'd be popular in this town with the tie-in to probably our most beloved coach, 'eh? :hmmm:

On the flip side, Mr. McNair has stated that he wants a HC with previous experience, so it's not that out of the question.

Kaiser Toro
12-14-2005, 12:10 PM
He has probably done better than you think. http://www.chargers.com/team/coachbio_phillips.cfm

If a posthumous John Butler comes on as GM I am down with bringing Philips in as HC.

Buffi2
12-14-2005, 12:14 PM
He has probably done better than you think. http://www.chargers.com/team/coachbio_phillips.cfm
I would love to see Wade Phillips as a defensive coordinator - or even hc. He has a good record in turning teams around and he's Bum's kid - what more could you want?:yahoo:

Texan Asylum
12-14-2005, 12:26 PM
First time post so be gentle.

I think it's very ironic that Reeves is brought in to analize what our problem
is a give recommendations on how to fix them. I still remember Reeves and
the Donkeys from not too many years ago that seemed to own Houston's
number and The Donkeys will forever be on my short list of most hated
teams. That being said, I don't have a problem with Reeves as HC or GM
or anything else for that matter. I just want someone there with some
backbone to state what needs to be done no matter how crazy the idea.
One idea to sort out is why not trade Carr for a player or two and some draft
picks. He's ruined as a QB with the OL we have now so perhaps we can
start over and build an offence around DD and AJ.
Just some thoughts and remember be gentle.

infantrycak
12-14-2005, 12:33 PM
One idea to sort out is why not trade Carr for a player or two and some draft picks. He's ruined as a QB with the OL we have now so perhaps we can start over and build an offence around DD and AJ.


Welcome to the MB. You will see posts about trading Carr but it isn't realistic. Carr has met performance standards which have voided the last 3 years of this contract. If a buy back option is not exercised by the Texans, he will be an unrestricted free agent--i.e. Texans have no right to trade him. If the Texans exercise the buy back clause for $8 mil to reinstate the last 3 years of the contract, they as a practical matter can't trade him because the entire $8 mil would hit the salary cap on the NFL year of the trade. That would be a huge chunk of dead money to have on the cap to get what?--have to be much more than Carr's likely market value to get the Texans interested in taking that kind of a cap hit.

Texan Asylum
12-14-2005, 12:47 PM
You sould like you know the business side pretty well. Don't get me wrong,
I and my entire household are Carr fanatics but how do you fix a QB thats
been running for his life his entire professional career and is gun shy at every
foot step he hears. It sickens me to think those kind of thoughts about what
I think is possibly one of the best QB's in the game but yet haven't been able
to utilize his skills to the potentual he has.

Bobo
12-14-2005, 01:49 PM
You mean to tell me Bob McNair hired Dan Reeves to come in, evaluate his team, tell him who needs to stay and who needs to go, and then exit stage left? PLEASE! He's just giving Reeves a head start to evaluate HIS future team. It will give him a much better chance to evaluate what he needs via draft and free agency this offseason rather than waiting until after the season is over. He'll get to see the players in action first hand.

I think McNair just has too much respect (or not enough balls) to fire Dom Capers. So he's kind of easing a new coach in I guess hoping Dom will resign. Reeves is no GM either, so I think either Casserly stays or we'll get a new GM. He's not there to take Charley's job.

And one final thought. McNair has maintained all along that he wants to have an "experienced" NFL coach. He doesn't want to bring in someone who has no NFL head coaching experinence. And Reeves fits that to a tee.

I'm not too terribly dissapointed about it. We could have done better, but we could have done worse (Martz or Mariucci). The only concern I have with Reeves is that he has a track record of problems getting along with certain people, but then again maybe that's what we need. A coach who's not afraid to get in someone's grill and ream them out of they screw up. That is a major flaw I see with Capers. He's way too passive of a coach for me.

So get ready for the Dan Reeves era to begin in Houston in 2006!

Walsh was a consultant when Seiffert took over in SF and never did retake the reins. Why do you think it would be any different here? Reeves has health problems big-time and didn't do so well during his last years as a head coach. Plus, he isn't even moving to Houston for his new job. And since when do you have to "get in somebody's grill and ream them out" if they screw up? The players know when they screw up. Since when does it help matters to make it worse? When you screw up at your job, do you want your boss to get in your grill and ream you out in front of all your fellow employees?

Tulip
12-14-2005, 02:20 PM
At this point, I won't write any Texans player off as ruined until a new coaching staff is in place, preferably one who can locate David's lost practice ladder.

Tulip
12-14-2005, 02:21 PM
The way things are going, McNair will soon announce that Reeves is our new special teams coach and everything else stays the same. :crying:

What a cruel thought.

Texan Asylum
12-14-2005, 02:31 PM
At this point, I won't write any Texans player off as ruined until a new coaching staff is in place, preferably one who can locate David's lost practice ladder.
I stated "ruined with this offensive line". It's evident that this line doesn't
have the capacity to protect anyone at this point. It's a wonder 37DD is
doing as well as he is. Imagine if we had a OL = to many others in the NFL,
we would not be having these discussions.
Just my opinion.

abbest
12-14-2005, 02:39 PM
Walsh was a consultant when Seiffert took over in SF and never did retake the reins. Why do you think it would be any different here? Reeves has health problems big-time and didn't do so well during his last years as a head coach. Plus, he isn't even moving to Houston for his new job. And since when do you have to "get in somebody's grill and ream them out" if they screw up? The players know when they screw up. Since when does it help matters to make it worse? When you screw up at your job, do you want your boss to get in your grill and ream you out in front of all your fellow employees?Yeah but the 49ers was Walsh`s team all along unlike Reeves coming into hostile territory. McNair should have fired Casserly instead of humiliating him.

Hervoyel
12-14-2005, 02:45 PM
I just don't want to see him or the 3 - 4 on the field next season.

I'll bet you a dollar that if the 3-4 is being coached by Wade Phillips you'll like seeing it on the field next season.

The 3-4 doesn't suck. "Vic Fangio's 3-4" is what sucks.

abbest
12-14-2005, 02:49 PM
I'll bet you a dollar that if the 3-4 is being coached by Wade Phillips you'll like seeing it on the field next season.

The 3-4 doesn't suck. "Vic Fangio's 3-4" is what sucks.Give that man a beer. The Colts canned him and took 5 years to fix the mess he created.

touttail
12-14-2005, 03:02 PM
My point and like Vinny everything is speculation and its always a remote possibility. I don't think that's what Bob is thinking right now, but who knows. What is surprising is that no one so far has resigned. I still say the Reeves move gives Bob and out should anyone pull a Reeves.

Don't know about the rest of the coaches, but Dom doesn't have one ounce of quit in him.

Bobby 119C:brickwall

Double Barrel
12-14-2005, 03:15 PM
I'll bet you a dollar that if the 3-4 is being coached by Wade Phillips you'll like seeing it on the field next season.

The 3-4 doesn't suck. "Vic Fangio's 3-4" is what sucks.

No doubt. The 3-4 has been succesful, and even dominating, in many forms for many teams.

But make it a cover 2, with little pass rush and no run stopping ability, and you end up with the Fangio special: the prevent.

Exascor
12-14-2005, 06:27 PM
No doubt. The 3-4 has been succesful, and even dominating, in many forms for many teams.

But make it a cover 2, with little pass rush and no run stopping ability, and you end up with the Fangio special: the prevent.Ummm...let's call it the "Try & Prevent" please.