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marroncito
12-13-2005, 12:35 PM
Work with me for a second. It's rumored that Brooks is done in New Orleans and will probably be a FA. I've read talk around the board that we should bring in some competition for Carr especially since it seems more and more likely that the Texans will excercise their option on his contract.

So who to bring in? Brooks is a possiblity. In my opinion, he's a QB similar to Carr. He has the physical talent to be a good/great QB. He can throw accuratly all over the field when things go well. He has catastrophic breakdowns when things go bad.

The offseason plan should definitly include changes to the Oline and other things that will let Carr be the Carr of 2004 and better. ie. giving him more time in the pocket with an improved Oline, giving him more targets to throw to and maybe even a stud recieving TE to work with.

These are all things that Brooks needs as well to be successful. He's mobile like Carr. He can make the throws. If you don't put the whole game on him, he can make plays.

After his shaming in New Orleans he could be had for cheap, at least cheaper than some other contracts, even if it were just a one year deal with incentives.

I think he could really give Carr some real competiton for the starting spot.

MorKnolle
12-13-2005, 12:44 PM
Absolutely no, Brooks is a walking turnover and is seeming to develop an attitude problem.

eriadoc
12-13-2005, 12:46 PM
I'm not a big fan of Brooks, personally. He has talent, but he's a shade too close to the old Jake Plummer for me. If you really think about it, Carr doesn't turn the ball over that much. He turns it over more than we'd like, of course, but many of them (too many) seem to be the outside rusher just going right by our left tackle, coming up from behind and batting the ball out as he's cocking to throw. (Man, how many times has that happened? Jeez.) Brooks can really have some mental meltdowns and resemble the old Plummer.

I would like to see the Texans sign a cheap FA QB to compete with Carr, but I was thinking along the lines of Schaub (if Carr doesn't work out, this guy has long-term potential), Kitna (short-term, proven success, not really a "Wow!" pick), or Volek (short-term, has shown flashes, could be successful). Josh McCown is another guy, but he's kind of a project himself. He's been given no real chance at developing in Arizona and everytime he strings together a decent run, Green benches him.

I don't know, just some options.

marroncito
12-13-2005, 12:52 PM
old Jake Plummer

That's exactly what I'm thinking. Plummer changed in a big way (what's the reason?*shrug*) Now he's a solid QB for the Broncos. I think Brooks can make a change with some new scenery.

On top of his physicals, Brooks has starting experience in the NFL. We're expecting Carr to change for the better. So why not Brooks. Both need to make a change like Plummer did. So why not?

Conversly, I'm not advocating Brooks over anyone else. Right now, I'm just tossing ideas out for who could seriously compete with Carr.

swtbound07
12-13-2005, 12:54 PM
in all fairness, aaron brooks could barely seriously compete with adrian mcpherson

marroncito
12-13-2005, 12:57 PM
I'm loving what Brad Johnson is doing for the Vikings, but I don't think he can seriously be seen as competition for Carr. It happens all the time. If you bring in an aged vet they have trouble displasing a young incumbant. Look at the Dolphins. Ferotte had to compete with Feeley and didn't initially win the starting job. I would say that it's a prejudiced competiton at best. The coach will always be looking at what's best for the future of the team whether he wants to or not.

Now I'm going to slightly contradict myself. I would love to have Kitna on the Texans. He got it done on the Bengals. I think the Bengals would still be where they are with Kitna starting. Palmer is a great QB, but I think Kitna could have got it done just as well. Will Kitna be a FA this season? I wouldn't want to trade for him. As much as I like him, I want to see our draft picks used to improve other positions first.

eriadoc
12-13-2005, 12:57 PM
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Plummer changed in a big way (what's the reason?*shrug*) Now he's a solid QB for the Broncos. I think Brooks can make a change with some new scenery.

Kubiak is largely responsible for Plummer's turnaround, from all indications. Kubiak also turned Brian Griese into a Pro Bowl QB. If Kubiak's here next year, I would think Carr's closer to where we want him to be than Brooks is, given equal coaching. Of course, that's all speculation on Kubiak being here, but I'm trying to stay positive! :)

zeplin
12-13-2005, 01:57 PM
The reason Jake Plummer is playing so much better in Denver is because he is no longer a one man show, as he was with the cardinals. He has a fine supporting cast. Shanahan and Kubiak just had to convince him that throwing the ball away instead of superman heroics was the right way to go. One big key to his success. Denver actually has a OL that blocks and pick up blitzing defenses.
Our problems will not be solved by Brooks. He is a turnover waiting to happen.
If you want to help David bring in a good QB coach. Hmm "Kubiak" Maybe!!!!

marroncito
12-13-2005, 03:00 PM
The reason Jake Plummer is playing so much better in Denver is because he is no longer a one man show, as he was with the cardinals. He has a fine supporting cast. Shanahan and Kubiak just had to convince him that throwing the ball away instead of superman heroics was the right way to go. One big key to his success. Denver actually has a OL that blocks and pick up blitzing defenses.
Our problems will not be solved by Brooks. He is a turnover waiting to happen.
If you want to help David bring in a good QB coach. Hmm "Kubiak" Maybe!!!!

I'm not saying that Brooks or anyone else would be a cure all for Carr's and/or the Texans woes. What I'm saying is that he'd be an option that could legitimatly challenge Carr for the starting job. Carr has never faced a serious challenge here. I just think it's one more thing that can help him step up his game - whoever is brought in to SERIOUSLY challenge Carr.

El Tejano
12-13-2005, 03:09 PM
I'm not saying that Brooks or anyone else would be a cure all for Carr's and/or the Texans woes. What I'm saying is that he'd be an option that could legitimatly challenge Carr for the starting job. Carr has never faced a serious challenge here. I just think it's one more thing that can help him step up his game - whoever is brought in to SERIOUSLY challenge Carr.
I've said that before as well. If we are going to sign this guy to an extension well then we better have a guy here to make sure that if he messes up, he can be replaced. This should get Carr working alot better.

touttail
12-13-2005, 03:11 PM
I understand the need for Carr needing to be challenged, but Brooks??????????? My God, he is a tun over machine. Banks could do better than Brooks!

You need a Coach that has enough sense to build a system around Carr, not limiting Carr into a ho-hum system. Look what happened to Kordell Stewart. He was bad @$$ when he did his thing, but when they tried to make a pure pocket passer out of him, he couldn't do anything!

Bobby 119C:brickwall

marroncito
12-13-2005, 03:20 PM
The thing about Brooks (who I am not an absolute supporter of over other potential canidates) is that he's just like Plummer in Zona or his early Denver days. How many people said that Plummer was washed up? Who would say that now? Who wouldn't want to snatch Plummer from the Broncos to compete with Carr.

The two things I think about Brooks are: a change of scenery would do him good. and with the right coaching (which we're hoping for here) he could get his game back. There have been times in career where he was decent if not good.

I am not advocating throwing Carr out or annointing Brooks or anyone else as a starter. I just want to see someone give Carr a run for his money - all 8 million :P

Lastly, if not Brooks then who could seriously challenge Carr for his starting spot. No way Banks does, he's been there for years and never taken it. The jury's still out on Ragone. So who?

jjjezebel
12-13-2005, 03:28 PM
I've always thought that part of Carr's problem, other than having Palmer as OC, was that he was brought on as a rookie to be our starting QB, rather than bringing in a more experienced QB to give him a mentor that he could train under and learn from for a couple of years.

A lot of responsibility was dumped on him, and frankly, I think he was just too young for the job. I still think he's salvageable, and if we can get in a coach that can help our offense, and can turn Carr around, I think he'll end up a very good quarterback.

That said, I don't think we should bring in anyone new. Instead we should work with what we have, as I think the talent is there, it's just been misguided.

And dammit, play Ragone a couple of times, and let us see what HE can do!

Corrosion
12-13-2005, 05:27 PM
Could/Would the Texans sign Aaron Brooks? I


In a word ..... NO . :brickwall :hairpull: :brickwall :goodnight .

Brooks is a turnover waiting to happen .... let some other sucker of a team give him a back-up job .

mancunian
12-15-2005, 12:00 PM
no thanks - he's not great and he's been benched

Double Barrel
12-15-2005, 12:51 PM
Who says this organization wants to challenge Carr for his position? He was the first pick of this organization, has started every game when healthy, and has never felt the heat of a backup taking his job. If/when the Texans pick up his option, he'll be getting too much money to be a backup. He's our starting QB, good-bad-indifferent. There is no challenge.

Besides, some of the names I've seen might not be cool with backup positions. Tony Banks is as good (or better) than many of them, and he seems to be content as a backup QB on this franchise.

As much as some fans want Carr to be challenged (and I can't blame you for that), the fact of the matter is that the Texans front office have made him the face of this team, and he'll be that representative as our starting QB until he's no longer a Texans, IMHO.

Ryan
12-15-2005, 07:21 PM
there would be no way we would go after aaron brooks

houstonhurricane
12-15-2005, 07:46 PM
Not a chance. Benched by the Saints doesn't equate to high value in my book. However, being fired from the head coaching position with the Falcons doesn't sound too good either!

Ranger
12-15-2005, 08:08 PM
NO this would be the stupidest move of the offseason, possibily of the Texans short franchise. Yes even stupider than Jason Babin and Phillip Buchanon.

The Texans don't really have that much room to move around under the cap. I think we are scheuduled to have around $15-10 million at the end of the season without signing anybody. That being said it would be stupid to bring somebody in that has not starting ability in the National Football League. I mean if you can't be the starting QB in New Orleans, you can't be the starting QB anywhere. We have to much money wrapped up in David Carr (plus a $8million bonus this offseason) to bring in somebody that is gonna want a pretty big contract to come here and just "compete". It would be to much of a controvosy and Brooks is a loud mouth anyway. Carr already has to many problems like seeing the ground to much. He doesn't need Brooks.

bigcarlos
12-15-2005, 09:45 PM
I think he could really give Carr some real competiton for the starting spot.
So would Ryan Leaf, and Jim Harbaugh

marroncito
12-16-2005, 08:36 AM
So would Ryan Leaf, and Jim Harbaugh
so if not Brooks, then who? what QB could seriously challenge Carr? not a project/unproven like Ragone and not someone ancient like Johnson or Flutie or Testeverde. Preferably someone with some decent starting experience.

Yes, I get that Brooks is really screwed up and has some real issues. The point is players can change. Look at Jake Plummer and Tiki Barber (dif. pos. I know). Both had major turn over problems. With coaching, they both fixed them and are back to being good if not great players.

No one can say that Carr is less screwed up than Brooks. Different problems. Carr doesn't turn it over nearly as much, but he has other issues that kill drives just as quickly.

I believe that with new and good coaching, Carr can turn it around. I believe that Brooks can too.

I thought it was a tenet of this board for some time that Carr could use a real challenge for his starting job.

Again I'm not saying bench Carr and start anyone else, I just want to see competiton at every position.

Bradford sucks and yet he starts. If there was real competition, Mathis or Armstrong would beat him out for the #2 spot. That's what I'm advocating at every positon - real competition.

So again, who else could come in and SERIOUSLY challenge Carr?

HJam72
12-16-2005, 08:40 AM
So again, who else could come in and SERIOUSLY challenge Carr?

Reggie Bush. He plays everywhere. :)

marroncito
12-16-2005, 08:47 AM
Reggie Bush. He plays everywhere. :)
:)

Has he ever run a HB pass? That would be a crazy offense w/ Bush taking snaps @ QB.

the wonger need food
12-16-2005, 09:32 AM
He should be the best available FA QB out there. If he's relatively cheap (in the $2-$3 million range) there should be effort to get him in here. The organization has to stop babying Carr and provide some competition for the job.

marroncito
12-16-2005, 10:01 AM
He should be the best available FA QB out there. If he's relatively cheap (in the $2-$3 million range) there should be effort to get him in here. The organization has to stop babying Carr and provide some competition for the job.

thanks for pointing that out. i acutually think he could go for lower. he's completly destroyed (redeemable however) much like koren robinson was. i'm a big fan of comeback players. i think if a player truly feels personally responsible for their screw ups and uses that as motivation they will change in a new environment and be a better player. ie Barber, Plummer, Brees and so on.

cap1
12-16-2005, 10:01 AM
What other Vet QBs will be available next year?

Napa Auto Parts
12-16-2005, 01:17 PM
We dont need to bring any QB to push David Around david needs to be handed the starting job a silver platter like he has always i dont see anything wrong with that. david is the second coming of Dan Marino only 1000 times better. his play on the field proves he is one of the Elite Qb
Peyton manning Carson Palmer And David Carr are in a league of there own.

HJam72
12-16-2005, 01:42 PM
We dont need to bring any QB to push David Around david needs to be handed the starting job a silver platter like he has always i dont see anything wrong with that. david is the second coming of Dan Marino only 1000 times better. his play on the field proves he is one of the Elite Qb
Peyton manning Carspn Palmer And David Carr are in a league of there own.

If Carr was that good, they would've released him before the first season ever started.
:cool:

marroncito
12-16-2005, 01:50 PM
you know who would be hillarious to bring in? - Ryan Fitzpatrick.

seriously though, what about these QBs?

David Garrard - he's gotten some starting experience now
Billy Volek - he's been mentioned in this thread. would he come to a division rival just to comepete at his age?

some other guys:
Quinn Gray - heard some good things about him.
Sage Rosenfels - was he just slinging the ball in the Dolphins comeback or is he really a good QB?
Dave Ragone - if we're talking about guys who show flashes, might as well put him here. See if he can actually play at the NFL level.

there just really aren't that many quality starters out there.

Runner
12-16-2005, 02:10 PM
I think most back-up QBs would be as disrepected as the ones we already have as soon as they put on their Texan uniform.

Napa Auto Parts
12-16-2005, 08:46 PM
I understand the sarcasm, but please. The other two QBs suck, and are destined to be career back-ups. Aaron Brooks is the same if not worse than Ragone and Banks. The only QB I could see making a serious contention for is Holcolmb, but I think he's locked up for another year in contract.




Aron's stats tell a diferrent story he has had very good season's compared to some other Qb's in the league i hate to say it but even better than our david carr he would defenetly give us a better chance to win but we wont sign him i believe his asking price would be to high. but how about this for a tought how about we bring in David's mentor trent dilfer.

chuckm
12-17-2005, 11:35 AM
Could/Would the Texans sign Aaron Brooks?

yes/no

Double Barrel
12-17-2005, 11:39 AM
I think he'll end up in a Jets uniform next season.

zeplin
12-17-2005, 07:14 PM
I was just looking over the NFL QB Ratings and I thought you guys should see where Carr is ranked.

2005 Regular Season
NFL AFC NFC
Passer Rating
Rank Player Team Yds Att Cmp TDs Ints Long Rating
1 Peyton Manning IND 3290 394 269 27 8 80 08.2
2 Carson Palmer CIN 3242 426 287 27 8 70 103.2
3 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 1875 217 138 16 7 85 102.2
4 Marc Bulger STL 2297 287 192 14 9 57 94.4
5 Drew Brees SD 3092 420 275 22 12 43 92.9
6 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 2930 393 250 19 9 52 92.7
7 Tom Brady NE 3630 462 293 20 12 71 91.3
8 Jake Plummer DEN 2748 376 230 16 6 72 91.0
9 Brad Johnson MIN 1247 188 116 8 2 80 90.9
10 Trent Green KC 3287 415 260 14 9 60 89.5
11 Drew Bledsoe DAL 3035 408 251 20 11 71 89.5
12 Byron Leftwich JAC 2123 302 175 15 5 45 89.3
13 Jake Delhomme CAR 2822 363 221 19 14 80 86.6
14 Donovan McNabb PHI 2507 357 211 16 9 91 85.0
15 Mark Brunell WAS 2634 398 234 16 8 78 83.7
16 Steve McNair TEN 2817 425 264 14 9 57 83.6
17 Kurt Warner ARI 2598 365 232 10 9 63 83.6
18 Chris Simms TB 1452 212 129 6 5 78 80.9
19 Kerry Collins OAK 3118 446 245 16 10 79 79.6
20 David Carr HOU 2020 350 211 12 9 34 77.1
21 Trent Dilfer CLE 2321 333 199 11 12 80 76.9
22 Michael Vick ATL 2014 305 170 13 10 58 76.6
23 Eli Manning NYG 3128 460 242 21 15 61 75.9
24 Brett Favre GB 3161 490 307 19 22 53 75.4
25 Daunte Culpepper MIN 1564 216 139 6 12 68 72.0
26 Anthony Wright BAL 1582 266 164 6 9 48 71.7
27 Gus Frerotte MIA 2530 413 213 14 11 60 70.8
28 Aaron Brooks NO 2882 431 240 13 17 66 70.0
29 Josh McCown ARI 1233 186 104 6 8 49 69.1
30 Joey Harrington DET 1522 260 148 8 11 86 66.5

touttail
12-18-2005, 08:45 AM
I remember a couple of years ago that Hasselback, Brees, and Palmer were struggling. BJohnson and Simms weren't even on the chart. Hopefully Carr will develope more with his skills? Hopefully!

Bobby 119C:brickwall

marroncito
12-18-2005, 10:49 AM
20 David Carr HOU 2020 350 211 12 9 34 77.1
21 Trent Dilfer CLE 2321 333 199 11 12 80 76.9
22 Michael Vick ATL 2014 305 170 13 10 58 76.6
23 Eli Manning NYG 3128 460 242 21 15 61 75.9
24 Brett Favre GB 3161 490 307 19 22 53 75.4
25 Daunte Culpepper MIN 1564 216 139 6 12 68 72.0
26 Anthony Wright BAL 1582 266 164 6 9 48 71.7
27 Gus Frerotte MIA 2530 413 213 14 11 60 70.8
28 Aaron Brooks NO 2882 431 240 13 17 66 70.0
29 Josh McCown ARI 1233 186 104 6 8 49 69.1
30 Joey Harrington DET 1522 260 148 8 11 86 66.5

Eli is doing worse than Carr? Wouldn't have thought that. And Harrington is doing worse than Brooks? hmm. Where are Orton and Frye on this list?

Vinny
12-18-2005, 11:05 AM
Eli is doing worse than Carr? Wouldn't have thought that. Tells you that passer rating doesn't make much sense when it can't see the difference between a hitch pass and a 14 yard completion for a 1st down on 3rd and long. You have to actually watch NFL games to figure out who the best players are. You can scan stats in Baseball and figure out who is the best players by looking at BA and ERA and stuff like that....doesn't work so well in football.

Bassin Texan fan
12-18-2005, 11:46 AM
aaron brooks=loser

ThaShark316
12-18-2005, 12:21 PM
LMAO @ wanting Aaron Brooks. :tv:

Yall have outdone yourselves with this one.

Next week i'll see something just as stupid, if not worse, so...